Modest Proposal Fishbowl P4 by Susan Busch https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4 en-us 2019-01-17 04:45:54 UTC 2026-01-02 14:57:49 UTC hello@padlet.com awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321768191 Haters gonna say its fake

]]> 2019-01-17 16:31:16 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321768191 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321768390 anyone else in yet?

]]> 2019-01-17 16:31:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321768390 apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770049 its a beret]]> 2019-01-17 16:34:15 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770049 I feel there is no good way to eat a kid. asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770631 2019-01-17 16:35:12 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770631 kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770691 England was in control of the Irish. The Irish did not like that but they had no say so they dealt with it.]]> 2019-01-17 16:35:19 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770691 Potato Famine that caused immigration to the US awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770811 2019-01-17 16:35:26 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321770811 jparis4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771193 There was a very stark line between the rich and the poor during that time ]]> 2019-01-17 16:36:00 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771193 Nobody: trschmidt https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771405 Irish People: We are hungry

]]> 2019-01-17 16:36:18 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771405 kgehring1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771482 Many families were being sent to war]]> 2019-01-17 16:36:22 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771482 awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771848 There is going to be population loss no matter what whether it is his plan or is natural

]]> 2019-01-17 16:36:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321771848 It wasn't No Potato Time. This document was written in 1729 and they migrated in the 1840s. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772214 2019-01-17 16:37:29 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772214 Oh Sarah got it. Never mind. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772373 2019-01-17 16:37:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772373 bleep mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772535 the time period is extremely relevant to the purpose of the work, as the overpopulation and potato famine cause economic dismay

]]> 2019-01-17 16:38:00 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772535 wait so were the potatoes dangerous or no apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772597 2019-01-17 16:38:06 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772597 close enough @kaitlyn irby awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772649 2019-01-17 16:38:11 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772649 Thanks A.Waskie kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772902 2019-01-17 16:38:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321772902 analytical flex asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773215 2019-01-17 16:38:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773215 Good point Erin; usually the govt. didn't look at the effect of their rule on citizens but Swift does kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773309 2019-01-17 16:39:05 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773309 Potato famine asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773323 @angelina 
The potatoes weren't dangerous yet. The potato famine occured during the mid 19th century, but this was written in the 18th. 

]]> 2019-01-17 16:39:06 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773323 awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773387 Swift does make this point known by ironically acting like a politician and showing how they don't care about the lower class.]]> 2019-01-17 16:39:12 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773387 jparis4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773417 Swift definitely thinks its on the gov't to take the initiative on this issue]]> 2019-01-17 16:39:14 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773417 swift does argue that the govt should do stuff about the poor because he was all salty about how he was the only one making a suggestion on what to do (even if he was suggesting something extreme) apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773671 2019-01-17 16:39:33 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773671 Good point Casswann kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773712 2019-01-17 16:39:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321773712 ecassidy3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774030 good job leading the group casswann 

]]> 2019-01-17 16:40:06 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774030 Sarah is right. His completely irrational idea is very rationally supported. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774759 2019-01-17 16:40:47 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774759 jparis4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774853 I said the sixth one only because i found it ridiculous that the mothers would take better care of their children just to fatten them up for the market]]> 2019-01-17 16:40:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321774853 He sees children as an object that the country uses to convey his opinions on the upper class. awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775114 2019-01-17 16:41:22 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775114 I said the first because it had the most sardonic vocab (I felt) but I also didn't really understand the passage so... kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775385 2019-01-17 16:41:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775385 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775409 @Alex 
I agree. This is especially evident throughout his explanation of how they can benefit from the 🤬 of thousands of children

]]> 2019-01-17 16:41:47 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775409 . nvinnakota https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775846 Paragraph 5 is pretty sardonic too. It says that there will be less abortions if Irish people eat infants. So less babies will die if there people eat the babies. ]]> 2019-01-17 16:42:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321775846 trschmidt https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776147 Yes Nissi ]]> 2019-01-17 16:42:48 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776147 ecassidy3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776221 i agree with nissi, paragraph five was an important section of the document

]]> 2019-01-17 16:42:53 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776221 the sixth advantage seems the most sardonic because Swift assumes that since the children of the poor will be more valuable, the parents will treasure them more, which is highly sarcastic and mocking apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776273 2019-01-17 16:42:58 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776273 jparis4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776986 I honestly looked over it just because of the time period it was written in, and his main point was about the poor and not necessarily women]]> 2019-01-17 16:43:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776986 The misogyny makes sense in this time period but now that we read it now, it hurts his credibility. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776987 2019-01-17 16:43:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321776987 mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777020 the misogynistic tone used by the author changed his argument slightly, because his point regarding social justice is emphasized then taken away with his views of inequality

]]> 2019-01-17 16:43:59 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777020 It makes his argument stronger due to his willingness to call out a social group to prove his point awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777202 2019-01-17 16:44:14 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777202 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777276 With stating how women could be valuable it furthers the idea of degrading women because it creates this idea that women are only valuable for their reproductive abilities. 

]]> 2019-01-17 16:44:21 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777276 the misogyny weakens his ETHOS because thats important apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777329 2019-01-17 16:44:28 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777329 @Alex interesting perspective kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777482 2019-01-17 16:44:42 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777482 during the time, women were only seen to be mothers, which Swift noted kgehring1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777625 2019-01-17 16:44:57 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777625 mgidney https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777690 I agree with Kaitlin]]> 2019-01-17 16:45:02 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321777690 mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778051 well put sarah

]]> 2019-01-17 16:45:28 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778051 he was a child of the 1700s so he did not like wamen apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778581 2019-01-17 16:46:15 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778581 Good point, Sus. By over estimating their worth as mothers, he makes them into childbearing machines. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778786 2019-01-17 16:46:33 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321778786 mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779002 he may talk about women this way because he sees them as the problem for creating the overpopulation ]]> 2019-01-17 16:46:55 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779002 good job madison gabendschein https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779198 2019-01-17 16:47:14 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779198 That sounded wrong. Mothers are cool but the cult of domesticity is bad. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779219 2019-01-17 16:47:17 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321779219 nvinnakota https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780538 I think swift wants the reader to see him as one of the upper class monsters who are responsible for the situation of the lower class. ]]> 2019-01-17 16:49:19 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780538 he wants the readers to think that he is an educated person on the topic and is practical and analytical apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780590 2019-01-17 16:49:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780590 To build on Sarah's point, Swift writes like he is a scientist explaining a method for some project. If he's the villain, then he's making society think about being the good person so it's like reverse psychology. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780611 2019-01-17 16:49:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321780611 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781095 I very much agree that his purpose is to make the reader afraid of the reader to draw them away the ideas he shows.]]> 2019-01-17 16:50:11 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781095 kgehring1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781204 swift wants to show the reader that he is fully determined to change society. he creates a persona that is shocking to the reader, which was his main goal]]> 2019-01-17 16:50:24 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781204 jparis4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781236 I agree with Sarah a lot. I feel that his whole purpose was to make this suggestion of his seem so ridiculous and horrible that people realize how much needs to change]]> 2019-01-17 16:50:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781236 The logical way increases his logos in his argument. Also with the statistics. awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781237 2019-01-17 16:50:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781237 trschmidt https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781261 2019-01-17 16:50:28 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781261 by seeming so educated, he is also mocking the people of his time who were trying to solve society's issues with pure rationalism apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781323 2019-01-17 16:50:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781323 mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781409 F]]> 2019-01-17 16:50:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781409 @ Jimmy: profound kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781588 2019-01-17 16:51:00 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781588 It's like how Marx made a fool of the Warner Bros. claim so that they couldn't take their own claim seriously. He makes his crazy argument seem so rational that he makes the people he's criticizing act counteract their plan that he is putting into action. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781931 2019-01-17 16:51:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781931 mfrancis10 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781995 satire is a fascinating way to prove a point]]> 2019-01-17 16:51:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321781995 profound connection kaitlin apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321782764 2019-01-17 16:53:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321782764 rdunn8 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321782891 guys in the middle are killing it yo 

]]> 2019-01-17 16:53:19 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321782891 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783076 The word choice might not necessarily be to just lift himself above the reader because the vernacular back then may have differed a lot from today. @Jimmy

]]> 2019-01-17 16:53:41 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783076 @ Jimmy: good connection with the diction and ethos kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783193 2019-01-17 16:53:53 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783193 kgehring1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783264 by describing that he wants to help "children of professed beggars" dehumanizes the children who need help]]> 2019-01-17 16:53:59 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783264 Jimmy i luv u awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783316 2019-01-17 16:54:05 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783316 ryan is killing it in the center awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783630 2019-01-17 16:54:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783630 meh trschmidt https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783720 2019-01-17 16:54:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783720 rdunn8 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783763 lowkey tho]]> 2019-01-17 16:54:50 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783763 Good point Sarah kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783779 2019-01-17 16:54:52 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783779 you right alex jpritz1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783795 2019-01-17 16:54:54 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321783795 oh yeah he dehumanizes the children by using all those scientific terms and mathematical calculations, which makes the children seem like a science project or commodity apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784181 2019-01-17 16:55:35 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784181 nvinnakota https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784281 All the statistics in paragraph 7 dehumanize the lower class society because it makes it seem like the people that are effected by this issue are only a statistic and not an actual person.]]> 2019-01-17 16:55:46 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784281 ecassidy3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784310 it all seems tto come back to him using women for the 'benefit' of the country, and dehumanizing them not even proving his point]]> 2019-01-17 16:55:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784310 You're right Em kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784433 2019-01-17 16:56:03 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784433 Good point Ang kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784693 2019-01-17 16:56:28 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321784693 strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785114 never before seen image of Jonathan swift's breeder]]> 2019-01-17 16:57:04 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785114 I like Paige's point about how Swift draws in his reader kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785136 2019-01-17 16:57:05 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785136 he wants to show the readers that he is practical apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785145 2019-01-17 16:57:06 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785145 awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785474 2019-01-17 16:57:38 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785474 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785561 He presents a shockingly extreme case of cold-blooded "rationality" in order to make his readers reexamine their own priorities. Swift parodies the style of the pseudo-scientific proposals for social engineering that was so popular in his day. His piece is partly an attack on the economic utilitarianism that drove so many of these proposals.

]]> 2019-01-17 16:57:49 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/321785561 shes here apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322200982 2019-01-18 16:33:47 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322200982 NO kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201349 2019-01-18 16:34:33 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201349 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201426 press f to pay respects]]> 2019-01-18 16:34:43 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201426 SATIRE ATTIRE kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201430 2019-01-18 16:34:43 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201430 rdunn8 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201440 something]]> 2019-01-18 16:34:44 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201440 awaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201543 2019-01-18 16:34:57 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201543 dope rdunn8 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201921 dope

]]> 2019-01-18 16:35:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322201921 Profound statement, Dunn kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202061 2019-01-18 16:35:55 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202061 asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202095 2019-01-18 16:35:59 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202095 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202313 2019-01-18 16:36:26 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202313 rdunn8 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202656 2019-01-18 16:37:10 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322202656 khenderson37 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203107 2019-01-18 16:38:05 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203107 I'd like to file a complaint against Kiley kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203372 2019-01-18 16:38:39 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203372 apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203759 2019-01-18 16:39:25 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322203759 WELCOME TO MY ESSAY strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204463 let's eat children]]> 2019-01-18 16:40:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204463 A metaphor about ~swimming~ cwaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204728 2019-01-18 16:41:33 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204728 khenderson37 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204812 He entices the reader with something that they want to hear and then they are stuck into reading the rest of the paper to find out how the problem can be solved.]]> 2019-01-18 16:41:45 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204812 I agree with people's points erobbins7 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204956 2019-01-18 16:42:02 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322204956 Swift sets up the reader for the journey and then he knows that he will be able to convince them of his idea. It also makes him more credible than absurd. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322205178 2019-01-18 16:42:27 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322205178 I agree with the group in that the author waits to introduce the dramatic satire cwaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322205223 2019-01-18 16:42:32 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322205223 strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207122 at least they didn't decide to shut down the government because the economy was bad]]> 2019-01-18 16:45:52 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207122 khenderson37 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207378 In A Modest Proposal, Swift vents his mounting aggravation at the ineptitude of Ireland's politicians, the hypocrisy of the wealthy, the tyranny of the English, and the squalor and degradation in which he sees so many Irish people living. While A Modest Proposabemoans the bleak situation of an Ireland almost totally subject to England's exploitation, it also expresses Swift's utter disgust at the Irish people's seeming inability to mobilize on their own behalf. Without excusing any party, the essay shows that not only the English but also the Irish themselves--and not only the Irish politicians but also the masses--are responsible for the nation's lamentable state. His compassion for the misery of the Irish people is a severe one, and he includes a critique of their incompetence in dealing with their own problems.]]> 2019-01-18 16:46:18 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207378 Tries to show that the government has to handle the economy and more poor people. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207565 2019-01-18 16:46:40 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207565 Tries to pin it on the government as their idea instead of his to show that if they do nothing, this will be the situation they are in. It takes the blame off of him and places it onto the government. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207915 2019-01-18 16:47:20 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322207915 I agree with Emily on that the author uses the last paragraph for credibility reasons cwaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322208453 2019-01-18 16:48:09 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322208453 Could also be taking himself out of the group of poor to make himself seem like he is not hurting the country. Yes Kaitlin, I agree. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322208961 2019-01-18 16:49:13 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322208961 Not sure he is hazing his wife but more of the fact that he is trying to say he is not creating a problem for his country​. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322209809 2019-01-18 16:50:53 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322209809 it's hard to tell if Swift supports the Protestants or the Catholics, because his parents were English and he was living in a Catholic country. By bringing up religion, he creates another conflict that has to be addressed instead of focusing on the economic problems strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322212775 2019-01-18 16:56:33 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322212775 asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322212802 2019-01-18 16:56:37 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322212802 No Potato Time apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322213113 2019-01-18 16:57:14 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322213113 Ireland still has potatoes in 1729. They lose their potatoes in the 1840s. kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322213479 2019-01-18 16:57:53 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322213479 ecassidy3 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214109 2019-01-18 16:59:03 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214109 me asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214560 2019-01-18 16:59:51 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214560 children: exist strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214760 *Jonathan Swift has entered the chat*]]> 2019-01-18 17:00:15 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322214760 ap euro flex asolomon6 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215001 2019-01-18 17:00:40 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215001 It is very clear the author does not "care what other people think" and he is focused on his idea (not the opinions of others) cwaskiewicz https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215228 2019-01-18 17:01:08 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215228 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215283 junxtaposing rational thought proccesses with irrational concepts]]> 2019-01-18 17:01:15 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215283 I like Abu's comment kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215672 2019-01-18 17:01:56 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215672 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215991 thanks kaitlin! :)]]> 2019-01-18 17:02:26 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322215991 Swift: *proposes eating children* kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216035 The Irish: "Ya'll hear somethin'?"]]> 2019-01-18 17:02:30 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216035 khenderson37 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216470 Swift makes his point negatively, stringing together an appalling set of morally untenable positions in order to cast blame and aspersions far and wide. The essay progresses through a series of surprises that first shocks the reader and then causes her to think critically not only about policies but also about motivations and values. Most of his audience is extremely indifferent about the whole ordeal.]]> 2019-01-18 17:03:20 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216470 asangare1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216554 quizlet flex]]> 2019-01-18 17:03:29 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322216554 He wants to make sure the reader knows that he is not super crazy. By taking the blame off of himself, the reader still feels that someone needs to be held accountable. Swift set up the government for attack from the people because they will blame them for the chaos that will ensue. chiggins22 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322218338 2019-01-18 17:06:32 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322218338 what if someone proposed to Swift eating pre-adolescents, so then he could be involved? strexler https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322218783 2019-01-18 17:07:20 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322218783 Good point, Sarah kirby4 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322220500 2019-01-18 17:10:36 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322220500 apagano1 https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322222485 2019-01-18 17:14:11 UTC https://padlet.com/susan_busch/modestp4/wish/322222485