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Seneca and Plato influences essay plan by https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y share your ideas en-us 2018-11-20 09:36:52 UTC 2025-12-07 20:23:56 UTC hello@padlet.com "Seneca's contemporaries had a more profound influence on his ideas than Plato's had on his." To what extent do you agree? nina_rinke https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306252419 2018-11-20 09:39:25 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306252419 nina_rinke https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306252717 2018-11-20 09:40:30 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306252717 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278064 Seneca watching the deterioration of Nero would be highly tragic to observe. This contrasts with Plato as his experiences with Socrates were positive. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:01:33 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278064 Vanda and Samuel https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278223 Agree:
- Seneca's ideas seem like a direct response to the questionable actions of emperor Nero and the problems that faced Rome whereas Plato's ideas would've seemed revolutionary to some in the contemporary Greek audience.
- Seneca took the traditional ideas of stoicism and built upon it. During Nero's reign, Rome was divided and Seneca's new stoicism advocated for the unity of community.
- As opposed to Plato, Seneca he had an intimate relationship himself (with his wife Paulina) which he used as the base of his definition of "pure love".
- Caligula had incestuous relationships with his sisters this may have influenced Seneca's strong ideals against incest (as seen in his description of the physical symptoms of desire in Phaedra).
- Plato published his works attempting to change people to Socratic thinking. He used the dialogue to present the World of Forms and Tripartite Soul.
- Agrippina seduced Claudius to marry him for power - Seneca was against relationships created out of advantage. He believed you should love to be loved. Agrippina's actions (and many other Roman marriages) would've influenced Senaca's opinions as it shows the negative effects of selfish motivations.

Disagree:
- Plato was directly influenced by Socrates and the majorities of his dialogues are comprised of different peoples' ideas ie. Diotima. Those people are key figures (Generals, Doctors, philosophers) who would have had an influence in contemporary culture.
- As women were believe to be ruled by physis, the idea of Diotima's ladder clearly shows that homoerotic relationships were held in higher esteem as it lead to the discovery of the True Form of Beauty - therefore we can infer that Plato indeed believed women were less respectable.

]]> 2018-11-20 11:02:09 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278223 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278430 To what extent did Emperor Nero's behaviour greatly impact Seneca's ideas?]]> 2018-11-20 11:02:48 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278430 Elsa and Tom https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278531 Seneca: Seneca`s ideas have been greatly influenced by what he has experienced first hand as Nero`s tutor and then later adviser. Nero spiralled into unstable mentality and corruption of power which Seneca would have reflected in his ideas to try and prevent this, for example stoicism which is based on restraining your emotions and place reason above desires.
Agrippina also had a strong influence as she poisoned her own husband/uncle to make sure her son (Nero) could take the throne, this has influenced Senecas views as we see in stoicism which is all about being calm and living on the necessities which is the exact opposite of Agrippina.
The incestuous relationships between Agrippina and Claudius and Caligula and his sisters has also influenced his ideas as he saw how all these relationships ended as Caligula`s relationships with his sisters resulted in exile and murder and Agrippina killed her husband/uncle Claudius. Plato saw this as bad which is reflected in his ideas when he describes it as an unnatural love that can physically effect you.
Plato: Plato has been influenced by By different peoples views such as Diotima and Socrates. In symposium Socrates talks about Diotima`s Ladder and how you must start at the bottom and work your way up to achieve the true form of beauty. We can see the influence of Diotimas ladder in the rest of Plato's ideas such as Homoerotic relationships which Plato sees as useful to the state and has no problem with pederastic relationships as it is the first step to working your way up the ladder.
The Peloponnese War also had a great influence on Plato especially in his ideas in Republic because it was everyone working together to help the state and do what was in the best interest of the state which Plato probably thought people should have been doing at the time of the Peloponnese war but instead were more focused on expanding their own households.

]]> 2018-11-20 11:03:07 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278531 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278601 platos ideas invole "the world of Froms" which is more out of this world so less influenced by actual things in his world. BUt senenca phylosopy is more reactionary to his life, not looking outside the world]]> 2018-11-20 11:03:21 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278601 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278885 The deterioration of Athens would have influenced Plato during his writing of the Republic.]]> 2018-11-20 11:04:20 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306278885 Ed Beth https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279157

Seneca’s contemporaries

Nero

Lots of vice such as brothels and drinking lead to rash decision making that would of shown Seneca what happens when you let alcohol and desire control you.

Caligula

Exiled Agrippina and had incestuous relationships with all his sisters , this would of shown Seneca what would happen when you let lust , anger , and revenge overtake your reason.

Agrippina

Poisoned Claudius, to let Nero take the throne, but could not control Nero leading to her death. This may have shown Seneca why it was beneficial to not be power hungry and to stay rational.

Messalina

Got drunk declared a lover emperor, leading to her death. This would of shown Seneca how alcohol and desire can have a bad effect on the mind and should be avoided.

Claudius

Adopted Nero, because of lust and desire Agrippina which ultimately led to his betrayal , which again would of shown Seneca the harsh truth of letting desire take over.

]]> 2018-11-20 11:05:14 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279157 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279513 Plato delivers his ideas through a series of dialogues whereas, Socrates's ideas are delivered through a collection of letters to his friend Lucilius and essays. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:06:32 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279513 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279723 Plato shows his ideas through his dialogues which is a more detatched method whereas seneca wrote personal letters in response to specific situations, showing he was more influenced by bhis actual life ????? ]]> 2018-11-20 11:07:12 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279723 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279742 Seneca was exiled and during this time he wrote many essays, this would have influenced his views. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:07:16 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306279742 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306280629 platos idea are more open to interpretation? The world of Forms has no proof, and relies on his word, general peops couldn't understand it so his ideas have less to do with his surroundings]]> 2018-11-20 11:10:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306280629 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306280847 Nero's violence towards others, especially after drinking alcohol would influenced him into encouraging abstinence from alcohol and clemency. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:10:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306280847 Magdabaaaaleylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306281209 Plato was the student whereas seneca was the teachers, plato looked upo to socrates and would look more at his ideas, while seneca watch nero as a role model, although watching what he did wrong could have more affect??]]> 2018-11-20 11:12:15 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306281209 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306281851 Nero forced seneca to retire and fired Burrus, leaving him with no support system or people to counsel him out of rash descisions. may have influenced Seneca's ideas on curing the anger/rashness of others.]]> 2018-11-20 11:14:27 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306281851 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306282390 Plato sees the gods as perfect and incorruptible, so they can give into desires. Seneca does not let his gods have any vices. Plato influenced by homer, looking at how the gods were generally perceived to be. Seneca was not so influenced by how the Gods were seen ]]> 2018-11-20 11:16:08 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306282390 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283119 Plato made sure to mention the god's greatness, as he experienced Socrates' death for his impiety]]> 2018-11-20 11:18:30 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283119 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283418 Seneca became interested in philosophical ideas from a young age and followed the teachings of stoicism which valued the soul and a person's ability to reason over that of their vices. It was believed that those, who didn't indulge in bodily desires, which aside from procreation, Seneca regarded as being a waste of time, they would eventually achieve apatheia]]> 2018-11-20 11:19:28 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283418 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283566 the symposium did not actually take place, rather is plato putting his views forward through other people. (less influenced by contemporary?)]]> 2018-11-20 11:20:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283566 Beth Ed https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283576

Plato's contemporaries
Socrates
Influenced Plato greatly being his main teacher and inspiration for much of his philosophy and a key character in many of his dialogues.
Socrates theory's like the idea of forms is the main basis of Plato's philosophy and the idea of a tri-part soulAlcibiades
Would have clearly influenced Plato greatly since he is present in 3 of his dialogues 2 of which are named after him, his rash passion driven behaviour would of been a model for Plato on what not to behave like , as he had no control over his reason.
Sophists
Plato would of seen the sophists as the opposite of what he stood for and it would have made him edit his philosophy to be against them.
Diotima
The idea of diotima and her ladder is the main way Plato try to describe the path a person should take to appreciate the form of love
Aristophanes

]]> 2018-11-20 11:20:03 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306283576 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306284538 Plato was deeply saddened by Socrates death who very much inspired him in terms of his philosophical ideas. Socrates features in many of his dialogues such as Symposium.]]> 2018-11-20 11:23:35 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306284538 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306284539 Plato demonstrates the hierarchy of souls through aristophanes' portrayal in the Symposium being slightly stupid sounding ]]> 2018-11-20 11:23:36 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306284539 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306285064 Seneca's experiences of Caligula's incestuous relationships with his sisters may have influenced his aversion to desire and improper lust. It also explains his emphasis for a wholesome marriage between a man and and a woman who are not related.]]> 2018-11-20 11:25:35 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306285064 maagdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306285560 Platos influences (socrates) was not liked or respected,, while senecas contemparies were more high profile and in positions of respect (public eye) Nero showed a wider influence than socrates due to this which means he would have inspired more debate? maybe?]]> 2018-11-20 11:27:11 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306285560 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306286493 Seneca would have been greatly influenced by the fact the Emperor Claudius had him exiled from 42-49AD]]> 2018-11-20 11:29:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306286493 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306286797 seneca ideas are often from looking at bad examples (nero) whereas plato is already looking at a good exampole(socrates) and possibly guessing how to achieve it instead of definate ideas how how to not turn out like nero. Seneca has learnt from more drastic wide ranging consequences, whereas plato looks at a personal emotional consequence of socrates death]]> 2018-11-20 11:30:49 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306286797 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306287261 Seneca believed that bodily desires should be avoided altogether because he believed that they ruined the soul. through neros behaviour we can see how he was influenced such as beating people in the streets, stabbing men who he assulted if they tried to defend themselves and attacking men and women's private parts attached to a stake wearing a lion skin.]]> 2018-11-20 11:32:15 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306287261 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306287767 Senecas exile may have influenced his idea that the perfect sage does not need friends, he may only want them ]]> 2018-11-20 11:33:57 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306287767 Sophie and Lydia https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306288423 Nero's extravagant palace would have reinforced the Stoic idea of not need unnecessary luxuries.]]> 2018-11-20 11:35:58 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306288423 magdabaileylauren https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306288596 seneca is looking more at his mistakes and the mistakes of people close to him, while plato looks at what he belives to be the mistakes of others. Plato more generalises by proffesion (quality of souls etc) while seneca looks at specific people]]> 2018-11-20 11:36:30 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306288596 BETH ED Conclusion https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306289193 Senecas contemporary's influence vs Plato's contemporary's influence

While Senecas views may of been affected by the things he saw happening around him and therefore was affected by his contemporary , while Plato directly took ideas from his contemporary's and expanded on them in his dialogues showing that he was more affected by them.

]]> 2018-11-20 11:38:11 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306289193 Jamie and Tuppence https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306289814 Plato was very much influenced on those with whom he was able to express his ideas with. This is shown in his play Symposium as the entire play revolves around men discussing their views and perceptions of love]]> 2018-11-20 11:40:03 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306289814 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291093 Symposium is more of a reminiscent piece in the fact that he would have accompanied Socrates to Symposiums.]]> 2018-11-20 11:44:05 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291093 magda bailey lauren conclusion https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291595 In general seneca seems more influenced by his contemparies.
- he saw problems in specific people in his life, and though how to change/avoid them
-plato also is influences, primarily by socrates, also by the wider population
-seneca had more influence, more access to seeing peoples problems - wider viewpoint
-the writings themselves are for seneca more personal and reactionary while plato writes in a more detatached method
-platos ideas are more out of the world whilst seneca is based in reality]]> 2018-11-20 11:45:49 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291595 Tuppence and Jamie https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291602 Conclusion:
Both Seneca and Plato were greatly influenced by tragic events like Socrates death and Nero's downfall as well as by other people around them such as Socrates beliefs and Emperor Nero's odd behaviour. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:45:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291602 Sophie and Lydia conclusion https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291618 Even though Plato's influence from his contemporaries may have had a profound effect on him, the sad deterioration of his own student Nero and the negative actions he witnessed in the imperial family may have had a more emotional and therefore more profound effect ]]> 2018-11-20 11:45:55 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291618 Tom and Elsa Conclusion https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291647 In conclusion we agree with the statement in the question that Seneca`s contemporaries had a greater influence on his ideas than it did for Plato. Seneca experienced first hand tyrannical rule that has greatly effected his ideas such as stoicism in contrast to Nero. Whilst Platos ideas are more b]]> 2018-11-20 11:46:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291647 Vanda and Samuel - Conclusion https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291710 To conclude, we agree with this statement as Seneca's ideas were moulded as a response to the problems caused/faced by his contemporaries (such as Nero) whereas Plato's ideals were projections of his own beliefs as he wanted philosophy and Socratic thinking to rule the Greek world. ]]> 2018-11-20 11:46:13 UTC https://padlet.com/nina_rinke/3l86ralqjo3y/wish/306291710