https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t Discussion Leader: Victor Perez, Discussion Collaboration Organizer and Facilitator: Karen Domingo en-us 2020-11-09 07:09:38 UTC 2020-11-11 09:38:38 UTC hello@padlet.com karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906343981 1. How did Meng Chiao's experimental movement affect Tao's poetry? (pg 184)
2. How did Tao develop his poetry using quasi-surreal techniques? "drawn horns calling into people's dreams" 
(pg 187)]]> 2020-11-09 22:15:56 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906343981 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906351033 1. How does Tao use the passage of time in his poetry? "Deep in meditation, monks listen to cricket song, and where nesting cranes were, monkeys frolic" (pg 186)
2. What feeling does the arrival of autumn on pg 185 evoke from you?]]> 2020-11-09 22:19:11 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906351033 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906361450 1. There are only 4 short lines for the poem on pg 197. How does the shortness of this poem emphasize nature?
2. How does Du Mu use imagery of nature to show his emotions for someone? (pg 194)]]> 2020-11-09 22:23:42 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906361450 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906365585 1. How does Du Mu incorporate people and nature on pg 191?
2. How does he use "birds [vanishing] in the endless sky" to compare the Han dynasty? (pg 198)]]> 2020-11-09 22:25:49 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/906365585 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910680699 Due to his grief he the world becomes duller and more quiet.
-Annika Martinez ]]> 2020-11-10 21:30:23 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910680699 janet_rayocelaya1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910683279 Meng Chiao's experimental movement is present in Tao's poem in the way that Tao uses it to change the reality of nature around him. The world around him remains the same but his view of it warped due to grief.
-Janet Rayo]]> 2020-11-10 21:31:17 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910683279 delia_sabaou1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910690947 giving nature power to control things like people and animals ('autumn wind furling geese up into flight') there is a sense of personification.

- delia]]> 2020-11-10 21:34:03 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910690947 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910691833 "Mountain roads wander into whit clouds". This could show how to these poets and to daoist's can see the mountains as their was to transcendence.  
-Annika Martinez]]> 2020-11-10 21:34:20 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910691833 EleftheriaE https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910695068 "...And sunlit dew everywhere..." 
Awhile ago, we discussed the dew. Perhaps suggesting that he went   through the cathartic process of being reborn. He was able to come to terms with loss and grief. Being able to appreciate the transient time that we have on Earth. 
-Eleftheria  ]]> 2020-11-10 21:35:31 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910695068 dylan_chae1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910710331 There is so much change in the silence of nature. The leaves change colour. the moon's shadow moves, etc. This gives to light the idea of nature changing in silence. Human change and movement is often signified through sound. (Protest, war, etc.) In nature, this change is silent. There is a feeling of idleness as we observe the silent change around us. 

- dylan chae]]> 2020-11-10 21:40:58 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910710331 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910721067 The pond can be a refection of heaven on earth. It also could show its own little reflection of the world within the pond.
-Annika Martinez]]> 2020-11-10 21:45:02 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910721067 dylan_chae1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910722546 The Han dynasty took place long before the Tang. The bird flying away may represent the last remnants of the Han. Time and civilizations are circular and are a part of cycles. This is evident as the poem ends with "autumn winds rising." Autumn representing a part of this cyclical change. 

- dylan chae]]> 2020-11-10 21:45:37 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910722546 lucas_brockenborough1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910725708 There is a nice effect here where analogies are used to give a vivid picture. The pond is described as having stairs. Even though it does not literally, it gives us a great image of how the light is reflected

-Lucas B]]> 2020-11-10 21:46:51 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910725708 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910731956 The poems conveys a feeling of longing and the mist could refer to what is out of sight. 
-Annika Martinez]]> 2020-11-10 21:49:18 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910731956 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910753766 He uses the dullness of nature to also demonstrate his loss of some of the five senses: loss of fragrance means loss of smell, cranes no longer calling means loss of hearing, moon's brilliance gone dark shows loss of sight. It's highly unlikely that the flowers lost its fragrance, or that the moon has suddenly gone dark, but using this experimental movement emphasizes his emotions as a loss of those senses we normally have. 
- Anika Louise]]> 2020-11-10 21:58:00 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910753766 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910754023 people and nature become one when the girls voices drift across the water. this interaction between the water and peoples voices how nature is quite and humans are loud, needing to be more like nature. 
-olivia jene ]]> 2020-11-10 21:58:07 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910754023 william_jones118 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910761701 The poem creates a picture that we imagine. Despite it being so short it creates length with details and depictions. 
-Will]]> 2020-11-10 22:01:14 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910761701 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910765266 When I heard moonlight flooding the mountaintops, from our discussions I also see that the moon became a companion to these writers that they can show their true emotions to. The moon is a friend that they can release their emotions to, or the moon's light reveals their innermost emotions. This to me shows the immense emotions he has for her, or just what he's holding in general, and that can also be shown earlier in the poem when he said "autumn bathed in a river's clarity."]]> 2020-11-10 22:02:47 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910765266 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910834207 I thought that the first line in the poem really sets the mood for the rest of the poem. Specifically "light rain" because there are different types of weather but rain can either be seen as sad or relaxing and here it can be seen as almost peaceful and serene.
- Karen]]> 2020-11-10 22:33:07 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910834207 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910839572 “Deep in meditation, monks listen to cricket song, and where nesting cranes were, monkeys frolic.”
I thought that this stanza captures what the silence is really like. As the meditate they can see what is going on in their surroundings and focus on all the living creatures that are with them. When it's quiet, everyone begins to focus on how long it's bee quiet and focus on time and how fast or slow it's going by. 
- Karen ]]> 2020-11-10 22:35:45 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910839572 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910851630 The use of colors helps readers imagine what the scene looks like. From those images in our head we can then also imagine what those textures feel like (ex: clouds and moss)
- Karen ]]> 2020-11-10 22:41:55 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910851630 karen_domingo1 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910864947 The combination of people and nature brings out the imagery of the poem. Adding on to that, I think that nature and people are both intertwined and when they're combined it's something beautiful. "Their voices drift across the river" lets the reader know that when two beautiful things are combined (singing and river/water), the outcome is beautiful as well. Kind of gives the idea that the river carries the song to other places, sharing.
- Karen ]]> 2020-11-10 22:48:33 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/910864947 https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/912131301 I feel like Meng's experimental movement affected Tao's poetry in a big way. I think back to the mini lecture about silence. We go to silence and emptiness of mind and nature to really understand nature itself. Quieting the mind in order to observe. So i feel like the silence really allowed everything around him to be observed, understood, and taken in with all the senses in a form that seemed like a loss of senses rather than a use of them. adelayd]]> 2020-11-11 09:33:36 UTC https://padlet.com/karen_domingo1/36al7zhkqnpd790t/wish/912131301