https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex Contribute 1 quote from number 3 of your assignment to this Padlet. Don't forget the CONTEXT, QUOTE, and CITATION. en-us 2017-11-06 19:46:21 UTC 2025-12-15 02:29:51 UTC hello@padlet.com https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091573  a true war story is never moral. It does not instruct nor encourage virtue, nor suggest models of proper human behavior.... If a story seems moral, do not believe it."]]> 2017-11-06 19:48:34 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091573 jl5156 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091701 When explaining that the events in this book did not really happen, O'Brien states, "I want you to feel what I felt" (179).

]]> 2017-11-06 19:48:49 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091701 as5283 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091830 After describing how he "killed" the man O'Brien writes, "Even now I haven't finished sorting it out. Sometimes I forgive myself, other times I don't" (134).]]> 2017-11-06 19:49:05 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091830 ej5123 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091834 After Tim kills the man he tries to decide if he should forgive himself he says "Even now I haven't finished sorting it out. Sometimes I forgive myself, other times I don't" (134).]]> 2017-11-06 19:49:06 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091834 bc2188 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091978 In describing his reaction to his killing of the man and others trying to comfort him Tim O’Brien he includes, “All I could do was gape at the fact of the young man’s body” (134).]]> 2017-11-06 19:49:23 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204091978 eb5025 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092008 When rationalizing the idea of killing this man, O’Brien thought, “I was afraid of him- afraid of something-and as he passed me on the trail I threw a grenade that exploded at his feet and killed him” (131).

]]> 2017-11-06 19:49:28 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092008 am5171 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092113 When describing his war stories, O'Brien writes that "I want you to know why story-truth is truer sometimes than happening-truth" (179).]]> 2017-11-06 19:49:38 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092113 mm5186 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092414 While describing the emotion he felt when he was throwing the grenade at the solider O'Brien writes, "I tried to swallow whatever was rising from my stomach, which tasted like lemonade, something fruity and sour"(132-133). ]]> 2017-11-06 19:50:11 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092414 al5162 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092439 After reflecting on his time at war, O'Brien admits to one of his internal conflicts at war, he says, "there were many bodies, real bodies with real faces, but I was young then and I was afraid to look" (180). ]]> 2017-11-06 19:50:14 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092439 tp5215 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092657 When O'Brien is describing his time fighting in Vietnam with his daughter and his daughter asks if he killed anyone. O'Brien says, " It was a difficult moment, but I did what seemed right, which was to say, 'of course not'" (131).  This shows how we lie to protect the ones we love.]]> 2017-11-06 19:50:40 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204092657 na8861 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204093501 Thinking back to his time in war, Tim O'Brien regrets being a coward and not looking at the bodies of the men he killed, "and now, twenty years later, I'm left with faceless responsibility and faceless grief" (180).]]> 2017-11-06 19:52:14 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204093501 mw5314 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204178053 While explaining the war, O’Brien states, “Sometimes I forgive myself, other times I don’t. In the ordinary hours of life I try not to dwell on it, but now and then, when I’m reading a newspaper or just sitting alone in a room, I’ll look up and see the young man coming out of the morning fog” (134). ]]> 2017-11-07 01:34:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204178053 kk9688 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204472470 When Tim is talking with his daughter, Kathleen, he's telling her all about the war stories he's been apart of and the ones that he barely remembers. The ones that are hazy and disjointed. “ Daddy tell the truth,” Kathleen can say, “did you ever kill anybody?” And I can say, honestly, “Of course not.” or I can say, honestly “Yes.”’ (O'Brien 180)

]]> 2017-11-07 17:18:56 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204472470 et7700 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204531399 After realizing just what he had done after throwing a grenade at the viet cong soldier, O'Brien had some thoughts and regrets: "It occurred to me then that he was about to die. I wanted to warn him" (133).]]> 2017-11-07 18:59:18 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204531399 aw5303 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204532731 When mentioning the story O'Brien told his daughter about him killing, he said, "Someday, I hope, she'll ask again" (131).]]> 2017-11-07 19:01:26 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204532731 al5153 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204538052 After throwing the grenade at the soldier O'Brien says, “I remember the grenade seeming to freeze above me for an instant, as if a camera had clicked” (133). 

]]> 2017-11-07 19:09:59 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204538052 zb2185 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539593 When giving his explanation for the fallacy of his stories and explaining differing truths, O'Brien stated, "I'm left with faceless responsibility and faceless grief." (180).]]> 2017-11-07 19:12:21 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539593 al8816 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539730 When describing the difference between happening-truth and story-truth, O'Brien says, "What stories can do, I guess, is make things present" (180).]]> 2017-11-07 19:12:32 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539730 ar5236 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539925 2017-11-07 19:12:47 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204539925 gh1325 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204540035 O' Brien is talking about the past stories in the book such as killing the boy and the in depth detail about his features ; "But listen, even that story is made up. I want you to feel what I felt. I want you to know why story-truth is truer sometimes than happening-truth" (178, Tim O' Brien).]]> 2017-11-07 19:12:55 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204540035 jp9020 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204540849 In the battle scene, O'Brien stated, "I remember the grenade seeming to freeze above me for an instant, as if a camera had clicked, and I remember ducking down and holding my breath and seeing little wisps of fog rise from the earth" (133).]]> 2017-11-07 19:14:07 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204540849 rs1506 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541537 Context

O'Brien contemplating what the enemy soldier that he killed would have done if he was in the same position.

"None of it mattered. The words seemed far too complicated. All i could do was gape at the fact of the young man"s body" (134).]]> 2017-11-07 19:15:14 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541537 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541658 His continuous struggle, even as he writes, and how deeply this experience has imprinted on him is best shown when he states: “Even now I haven’t finished sorting it out. Sometimes I forgive myself, other times I don’t” (134 O’Brien).]]> 2017-11-07 19:15:24 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541658 js5277 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541962 O'Brien had told us, that there is a difference between happening-truth, and story-truth. and that sometimes story truth can be truer than happening:
"'Daddy, tell the truth,' Kathleen can say, 'did you ever kill anybody?'  And I can honestly say, 'Of course not.' Or I can honestly say 'Yes.'"
(O'Brien 180)

]]> 2017-11-07 19:15:50 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204541962 vb5677 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543096 As O'Brien reflects on his experience, he says, "'Or I can say, honestly, Yes'"
(180).]]> 2017-11-07 19:17:34 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543096 nw8647 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543627 "the grenade had me frozen". pg 131

]]> 2017-11-07 19:18:31 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543627 hq5227 https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543952 "I remember his face, which is not a pretty face, because his jaw was in his throat, and i remember feeling the burden of responsibility and guilt" (179).]]> 2017-11-07 19:19:12 UTC https://padlet.com/sandra_karolus_mikhael/2uwriam2p8ex/wish/204543952