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         <title>Motive (Pathos)</title>
         <author>kyramattice</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?&nbsp; Adnan's motive had no hold to it. <br>- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.<br><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701">http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701</a><br><a href="https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/">https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <author>kkassens</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?<br>Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. </div>]]></description>
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         <title>Jay&#39;s Lies (Ethos)</title>
         <author>kyramattice</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? <br>- Issue #1<br>Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.<br>- Issue #2<br>In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"<br>-Issue #3<br>Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. <br><a href="https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/">https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <author>kkassens</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?<br><a href="https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/">https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. <br>things they hold against Adnan:<br>1. Jay's testimony<br>2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend<br>3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared<br>4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae<br>5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried<br>6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.<br>7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999</div>]]></description>
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         <author>kyramattice</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?<br>Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.&nbsp; In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".&nbsp; However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense.&nbsp;This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.<br>&nbsp;-For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.<br>- Another example would be the autopsy report.&nbsp; It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.&nbsp; In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,&nbsp; and they buried the body at Linkin Park.&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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         <author>kyramattice</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?<br>-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  <br>-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. <br><a href="http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/">http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <author>kyramattice</author>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?<br>-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained<br>-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. <br>-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.<br><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry</a></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?<br>Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.<br>(this article mentioned it) <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/">https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. </div>]]></description>
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Anonymous
1m
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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 1m
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
Word document
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
Word document
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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📎 Photo

kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

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11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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 1m
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
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Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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Evidence against Adnan

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Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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The Timing (Logos)

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The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

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Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
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Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
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Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

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Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? <br>- Issue #1<br>Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.<br>- Issue #2<br>In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"<br>-Issue #3<br>Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. <br><a href="https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/">https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/</a></div>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<div>With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?<br>Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.&nbsp; In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".&nbsp; However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense.&nbsp;This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.<br>&nbsp;-For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.<br>- Another example would be the autopsy report.&nbsp; It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.&nbsp; In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,&nbsp; and they buried the body at Linkin Park.&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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