Navigating the Metric Maze by Cath D

Navigating the Metric Maze by Cath D https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2 NoWAL Research Support Event en-us 2018-01-11 10:15:50 UTC 2018-01-19 10:30:41 UTC hello@padlet.com www.ukscl.ac.uk c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222405883 2018-01-18 13:30:10 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222405883 MMU: research office doing more with metrics/REF. Research office says they are 'dealing with it' but then not entirely up to speed with what is going on! c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408637 2018-01-18 13:38:13 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408637 c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408723 Newcastle: relatively early stage of formulating library metrics offer]]> 2018-01-18 13:38:27 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408723 Newcastle c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408803 Training already embedded in PGR programmes (assessed modules) - metrics less apt for computing due to conference papers. Currently flag issues with metrics but not strong focus on responsible metrics.]]> 2018-01-18 13:38:41 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222408803 Metrics seems like a good route into talking with academics more widely about how/where they publish and getting engagement around the publishing process. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409049 2018-01-18 13:39:28 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409049 Potential way to add value c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409172 2018-01-18 13:39:50 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409172 LivTropMedicine: way to identify potential case studies Using something like Altmetrics could potentially be ahead of the curve c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409264 2018-01-18 13:40:02 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409264 Strategy c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409335 Need direction of travel set from leadership before we commit to an approach]]> 2018-01-18 13:40:13 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409335 UCLan c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409548 Research office are looking at metrics (have SciVal) and have impact officer. Lots of staff change. Teaching Scopus/WoS - generally an individual approach depending on the researcher]]> 2018-01-18 13:40:48 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409548 Possible to use the freebie Almetrics in eprints to track some articles/delve in and look at usage c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409883 Only goes to a certain level-can take you part of the way. If a smaller institution might be easier to locate]]> 2018-01-18 13:41:44 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222409883 Manchester - My Research essentials. Range of subjects. Have interactive presentations on their web pages - individual but also offer the same content as a workshop c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222410276 2018-01-18 13:42:39 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222410276 Problem areas c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222410395 People in very niche areas - even if broader discipline uses metrics a lot
Arts/humanities]]> 2018-01-18 13:42:57 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222410395 Solutiona c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411420 Altmetrics can be a good solution]]> 2018-01-18 13:45:01 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411420 Manchester - pathways for PhD c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411534 2018-01-18 13:45:20 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411534 Library might have access to information that research office might not even know about-need to raise awareness but also be ready with no people c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411609 2018-01-18 13:45:33 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411609 LSTM c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411639 Researchers can be very savvy about where to target their work for max. reach. Researchers in niche areas are often most tuned in to these alt channels. Mid-career researchers are particularly tuned in and interested - most ready to engage the Library. PGRs are open to it too. ]]> 2018-01-18 13:45:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411639 Manchester - publisher sessions - all branded as My Research Esssentials c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411789 2018-01-18 13:45:58 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222411789 Cumbria - sessions on bibliometrics. REfworks, e-resources. 3 campuses so run sessions at each one. Aimed at PhDs but anyone can attend c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412024 Part of Grad school programme]]> 2018-01-18 13:46:30 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412024 LSTM c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412208 Have recently bought in to Altmetric. ]]> 2018-01-18 13:46:57 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412208 Library often knows about good tools to use-need to be listened to at the beginning c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412234 2018-01-18 13:47:02 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412234 Targeting the right people in the organisation-and understand why you are targeting them and what you are going to get out of those people c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412371 2018-01-18 13:47:23 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412371 Sometimes need to understand why some roles sit with certain departments and capitalise on those relationships c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412754 2018-01-18 13:48:17 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412754 Edge Hill - REF compliance. Intro to data, metrics. 1 to 1s work really well. Have a range of things to catch as many people as you can. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412883 work with research office - part of their programme]]> 2018-01-18 13:48:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222412883 Great idea, but the devil's in the detail. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413006 2018-01-18 13:48:56 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413006 Too many working groups! Try and get on them but also knowing who to go to. Which are the important ones and which people are on them. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413023 2018-01-18 13:48:58 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413023 If it works widely, less research active institutions stand to benefit most, but it needs research-intensives to take the first step. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413238 2018-01-18 13:49:30 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413238 Visibility & engagement c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413399 Get out there and share/engage/train. Get face known re metrics with senior researchers. Embed metrics conversations within essential workflow elements (eg APC applications).]]> 2018-01-18 13:49:51 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222413399 Publishers are now trying to play off academics against librarians. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222414284 2018-01-18 13:51:47 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222414284 When metrics are negative c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222414900 Citations/altmetric can be negative - need to be cautious and filter]]> 2018-01-18 13:53:00 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222414900 Provides an opportunity to look at often confused/confusing messages on who owns what in terms of intellectual property. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222415457 2018-01-18 13:54:14 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222415457 Knowing that the REF is going to be selective about which metric sources, should we steer academics away/towards certain metrics c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222415708 2018-01-18 13:54:51 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222415708 There could also be conflicts between the institution's rights to re-use material created by staff for commercial partners (e.g. broadcasters). Need to ensure people are aware, though, because the licence only applies to journal articles and conference proceedings. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222416304 2018-01-18 13:56:13 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222416304 How to make sure use is appropriate? c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222416498 Give it time - repeat your messages - get researchers to think it's their idea
Get it right for the PGRs - invest in the new generation
be prepared to go desk to desk, or fell the bull elephant!

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Newcastle: librarians have less direct conversations about OA and REF because they are targeted by those that go out and do advocacy.

]]> 2018-01-18 13:59:39 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222417802 Who's reading? c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418323 Metrics are not innocuous - it's about how well read your work is. It's sensitive.]]> 2018-01-18 14:00:59 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418323 Easier at a smaller institution-can get compliance and talk to people a lot quicker/easier. Know that in research committees the yre interested in metrics c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418383 2018-01-18 14:01:07 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418383 Before metrics they are thinking about publications/creating the output and creating the impact. Start planning that much easier. Doing a mock impact c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418773 2018-01-18 14:01:59 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418773 Highlight peer review c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418824 2018-01-18 14:02:04 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418824 The right tool c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418889 Plum is better on book holdings
Amazon reviews]]> 2018-01-18 14:02:12 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222418889 Gives some academics a realisation of what they do/don't have and how to change/be ready for the next assessment c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419232 2018-01-18 14:02:57 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419232 Be frank about limitations of metrics c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419584 2018-01-18 14:03:39 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419584 Start a different conversation c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419791 2018-01-18 14:04:02 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222419791 Influence/improve the tools themselves c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420046 Libraries can tell Scopus to index something
We have power!]]> 2018-01-18 14:04:35 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420046 Need to upskill researchers to understand the publishing process-where they publish/what it means, etc. They write it and then it's doine but need to understand what happens next c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420349 2018-01-18 14:05:13 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420349 Liverpool - publisher sessions e.g. IOP c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420414 2018-01-18 14:05:22 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420414 Dealing with resistance c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420786 Start from the other end: which audiences do you want to reach and design metrics that will allow you to measure this. Educate in research measurement - that's your intervention and metrics then is just part of that broader partnership.
Listen, pay attention, encourage debate and be involved - learn from each other.]]> 2018-01-18 14:06:08 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420786 Liverpool - do libraries know enough about the publishing industry to deliver sessions on publishing c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420978 2018-01-18 14:06:34 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222420978 Using eprints plugin to find some almetrics data (potentially?) c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421411 2018-01-18 14:07:24 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421411 Strategic decision making c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421729 Altmetric is considered by some to not be appropriate itself
University KPI can be a game-changer - empowering for Library
Recognise where they are more or less useful and that they are only one measure amongst many.
But don't be afraid to be bold and argue the case especially where responsible metrics are involved, whether leaders are behind you or not.
Institution signing up to DORA or other resp metrics statement is helpful.]]> 2018-01-18 14:08:03 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421729 Edge Hill - talk to editors for tips and build a session around publisher using that information c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421904 so we can ensure we are in charge of the content. ]]> 2018-01-18 14:08:26 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222421904 Like Scott's idea to send out confirmation of receipt email but also to like 'make it pretty' so it's easy for people to digest and less of a chore c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422012 2018-01-18 14:08:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422012 Using inappropriate metrics c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422159 Raise, encourage, inform debate re specific measures, e.g. H-index]]> 2018-01-18 14:08:59 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422159 Do a monthly newsletter put in top ten downloaded articles/each dept. how many articles deposited/citations/how many OA c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422408 2018-01-18 14:09:39 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422408 Liverpool - Liv uni press - getting someone from there to talk about publishing. Advocacy around open access c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422544 2018-01-18 14:09:58 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422544 Use easy ways to get information across easily about work that has been done. Get your message across. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422981 2018-01-18 14:10:54 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222422981 Keep the end in mind c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222423761 Focus on the objective and the impact, rather than the measure for the measure's sake]]> 2018-01-18 14:12:26 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222423761 Uni of Chester - starting looking at metrics as something to offer for PGRs as part of a programme. working with Study Skills team. Quite new to this c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222423816 2018-01-18 14:12:34 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222423816 Awareness levels c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424013 Metrics may be considered inappropriate based on false assumptions/premises. It's our responsibility to say no to inappropriate requests, but strategic buy-in is important to back us up.]]> 2018-01-18 14:13:03 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424013 Take things off of other departments for easy wins-tasks that you can do and raise your own profile c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424023 2018-01-18 14:13:04 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424023 Have to be careful to make sure that you are adequately resourced. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424473 2018-01-18 14:14:02 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222424473 Leeds Beckett - altmetrrics training, deal with repository and Symplectic so altmetrics is linked with this. Metrics sits more with Academic liaison rather that then research services team. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222425515 2018-01-18 14:16:05 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222425515 c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222426341 Are we doing the right thing for the funders' requirements]]> 2018-01-18 14:17:28 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222426341 Appropriate tools c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222426689 We are responsible for highlighting limitations of datasets - Google Scholar is 'promiscuous' (ST). It's ok as long as you measure like against like, i.e. if using GS, use it for everyone.
Emphasise Snowball Metrics rather than publisher owned.
Use established, community-built metrics, use consistently.
Investigate Publish or Perish - has potential and great help guides.]]> 2018-01-18 14:18:10 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222426689 Align yourself to new members of staff and get them on-board c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222427137 2018-01-18 14:18:55 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222427137 Pint of science-talks in pubs and go along to speak to other people c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428164 2018-01-18 14:20:57 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428164 Liverpool - have Altmetrics but not sure how to get people to engage with it c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428379 2018-01-18 14:21:15 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428379 People have to sign up for an ORCiD straightaway c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428543 2018-01-18 14:21:32 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428543 As the whole point of UKSCL is to cut the Gordian Knot of multiple policies, surely implementation itself should be straightforward. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428970 2018-01-18 14:22:11 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222428970 Application of metrical analyses c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222438181 For promotion? Can drive poor practice if people are driven by the metrics
Does bias (conscious or unconscious) mean that JIFs in fact do influence quality evaluations even when REF says they won't?]]> 2018-01-18 14:38:37 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222438181 A measure not a driver - tail mustn't wag the dog c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222438808 2018-01-18 14:39:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222438808 Publishers likely more concerned in UK than elsewhere because of our strong funder mandates for open access c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222440370 2018-01-18 14:42:08 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222440370 Newcastle - tailor to different groups. PGRs interested in different things to ECRs to more established researchers. PGRs captive audience, progammes they have to sign up to a number of modules. Metrics, responsible metrics. Harder to reach research staff - tend to get suppliers to come in a do sessions - badged as library sessions. Would like to put together some online resources -help on particular areas PDFs, videos c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222441981 2018-01-18 14:44:47 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222441981 Humanities c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222442783 Books
Mixed training sessions make addressing this issue difficult - humanities may feel demoralised - hard to manage. Embedded sessions are preferable.]]> 2018-01-18 14:46:07 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222442783 UCLAN - research office do most of the training. Standard offering web of science, scopus - advertised in advance. Attendance is poor, mixture of level of skill in the attendees. Offer Ask the research trainer - offer one to one training with subject librarians. Metrics currently sits with librarian for Faculty of Heath. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222443846 2018-01-18 14:47:58 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222443846 Engage them by what motivates them in the first place - making a difference/love for subject etc c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222444732 2018-01-18 14:49:48 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222444732 Liv School of Tropcial Medicine - no training from library. Badge sessions run by external providers. Developed videos for help. Developing online resources could be the best way to go c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222445590 2018-01-18 14:51:34 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222445590 Lancaster - 2 strands. Bibliometrics academic librarians. Scival - deals with different set of questions, research support questions. REF focused. Do we need to bring the two stands together? Need to get the bigger picture - what about things like Research Gate c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222446282 2018-01-18 14:52:56 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222446282 Provides the opportunity to review deposit workflows and systems. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222447426 2018-01-18 14:55:11 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222447426 Most institutions don't have a dedicated person so we're all trying to learn and deliver this as part of other roles. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222447822 2018-01-18 14:55:57 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222447822 Manchester-doing some but would like to do a lot more. Put into strategy and namechecked the next REF within that. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451070 2018-01-18 15:02:03 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451070 Over the next three years need to 'ramp up 'what we are doing. Not just constrained to REF but also in a general sense. Th library's offer matches what peole want/need c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451204 2018-01-18 15:02:22 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451204 Manchester: good at reports across the academic depts. Not as good at the unit of assessment level (cuts across schools.) Need to show academic data in the framework of REF c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451771 2018-01-18 15:03:30 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222451771 MMU - research office do metrics sessions. Do joint sessions with them. Research office so Symplectic and touch on metrics, library do more open access. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222452595 2018-01-18 15:05:11 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222452595 More work b/t 3 * 4* papers to predict what those might be (percentiles?) c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222452626 2018-01-18 15:05:15 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222452626 Salford - new people in data and scholarly comms roles - aim is to involved the wider academic support team in training. Scholarly comms person will work with academic team to develop and deliver metrics training. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222453379 2018-01-18 15:06:34 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222453379 LInk impact case study to money-can improve these results with a member of staff c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222454171 2018-01-18 15:08:05 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222454171 Liv School of tropical medicine - developed skills as asked specific questions rather than formal training. Been asked for help with metrics so have had to respond to this. Feel that it is something that will be on the agenda. Metrics will be key for impact - think we'll get more questions c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222455475 2018-01-18 15:10:25 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222455475 Strategic development offer-send people off to upskill, shift people around c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222455617 2018-01-18 15:10:42 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222455617 Train the trainer with people in different faculty offices-able to do analyses within certain areas. Can struggle to keep people motivated. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456132 2018-01-18 15:11:43 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456132 If no follow-up/sustained learning/series of sessions, people can easily lose their skills c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456384 2018-01-18 15:12:12 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456384 Certain tasks you need a specialist-within Scopus and know what you are doing and not share out too many tasks. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456620 2018-01-18 15:12:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222456620 MIght be a case of re-organising the skill-sets of people. Don't know who does what/less duplication, etc. c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222457595 2018-01-18 15:14:18 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222457595 Need more communication across departments. Can be tricky to get buy-in from everyone but need to keep lobbying and let them know what we do/what we are good at c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222458136 2018-01-18 15:15:17 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222458136 REF pages-this is who supports it/this is who can help you/this is good examples/these are the ethical standards that we follow c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222460110 2018-01-18 15:18:52 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222460110 Bibliometrics don't accurately measure reach of v recent outputs c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222460422 Altmetrics can help here]]> 2018-01-18 15:19:28 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222460422 Fifteen years ago, think about all of the things that the library wasn't doing and now that they are-we are at the forefront of of things happening c_l_dishman https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222462196 2018-01-18 15:22:38 UTC https://padlet.com/c_l_dishman/2m5kgrct38d2/wish/222462196