Remake of P.5 The Giver: Socratic Seminar2 by Veronica Ros-Murillo

4712452 — 2025-02-11 19:51:00 UTC

What does the community's pursuit of "Sameness" reveal about the human need for individuality and experience?

4693831 — 2025-02-11 19:51:24 UTC

Does the novel ultimately suggest that a life without pain is inherently less meaningful?

484970 — 2025-02-11 19:51:56 UTC

Is Jonas's decision to leave his community a moral imperative, or is he abandoning his responsibility to the society that raised him?

4723571 — 2025-02-11 19:52:21 UTC

How does the portrayal of "release" as a euphemism reflect the dangers of societal manipulation and the suppression of uncomfortable truths?

4702921 — 2025-02-11 19:52:53 UTC

How does the portrayal of "release" as a euphemism reflect the dangers of societal manipulation and the suppression of uncomfortable truths?

4825821 — 2025-02-11 19:52:58 UTC

How does the novel explore the ethical implications of a society that deliberately removes painful memories, even if it means sacrificing the full spectrum of human emotion?

2025-02-11 19:53:09 UTC

I think the novel says that the more society removes the harmful things of life restrict people from their true purpose in life. Which is experience. The more we take that experience away for leisure, the less of a real life we live.

4767361 — 2025-02-11 19:53:23 UTC

How does the novel explore the ethical implications of a society that deliberately removes painful memories, even if it means sacrificing the full spectrum of human emotion?

4725291 — 2025-02-11 19:53:39 UTC

how does the relationship between Jonas and the giver challenge the idea of a "perfect" society and the value of individual connection?

4722561 — 2025-02-11 19:53:40 UTC

How would a child from the community be affected if they were brought into our world?

4829391 — 2025-02-11 19:53:40 UTC

I agree with Maddox because without pain things can become more complicated because they would only know the good things in life and there would be no conflict.

488269_1 — 2025-02-11 19:53:42 UTC

I agree with Maddox because pain makes you a person. When you have no pain, you will never experience anything. Pain is what helps you experience different things.

2025-02-11 19:54:17 UTC

I agree with Maddox because life includes pain throughout every movement and a world without pain, has "no conflict", is "flawless" and a boring society.

476166 — 2025-02-11 19:54:32 UTC

I could build onto Maddox that the community also has limited experiences because pain isn't a known thing in the society that Jonas lives in.

479308 — 2025-02-11 19:54:40 UTC

I want to expand on what Maddox said about pain and whether it is needed in a society. Pain is needed in a society because it adds experience and helps build individuality

4767361 — 2025-02-11 19:54:49 UTC

I agree with Kyle on the thought of pain helping you distinguish what's good and what's bad because if you've never felt anything bad then you can't decipher what's truly good.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 19:54:53 UTC

I agree with Iris when she said that not having pain doesn't give someone a "full experience"

4723571 — 2025-02-11 19:55:12 UTC

Would exposing the people of the community to pain later in life hurt them more than benefit them?

4712452 — 2025-02-11 19:55:16 UTC

I agree with Kyle when he said pain was a key component to growth because it really does affect your scale of emotion and it's all kinda the same. Pain = no experience, boring life.

2025-02-11 19:55:28 UTC

I agree with Zeke saying that we learn with pain, we live with pain, and without it, you would be very lost and misguided.

4825821 — 2025-02-11 19:55:35 UTC

I agree with Kyle because pain causes growth and it helps us learn from what we should and should not do.

4722561 — 2025-02-11 19:55:43 UTC

I agree with Zeke because pain is essential to our life because it teaches us how to not make the same mistakes again. if we didn't have pain, why wouldn't we just make the same mistakes over and over again?

4702921 — 2025-02-11 19:55:51 UTC

I agree with brayden because I believe that without pain, trying to figure out the difference of good and bad is more difficult than it would be if pain existed in Jonas's community.

4829391 — 2025-02-11 19:56:38 UTC

How would the book show the complications the society would have if all painful memories were non-existent and not a single person experienced them?

4718512 — 2025-02-11 19:57:07 UTC

I agree with Braden about pain and how it affects life and I can add on by how pain is important to life because it affects you in lots of different ways.

476166 — 2025-02-11 19:57:36 UTC

I agree with Tristan that Jonas is so amazed and contained in the feeling of new experiences that he is willing to do something major as leaving the community he was raised in for his entire life.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 19:57:40 UTC

I agree with Tristan since he had said that Jonas can be a symbol of a "new generation" of the new world.

4716512 — 2025-02-11 19:57:41 UTC

I agree with Zeke because we all learn throughout pain, we live with pain. Without pain we won't be able to describe GOOD memories! Pain has to be in life, it has to be there to tell the good memories with meaning.

4713821 — 2025-02-11 19:58:12 UTC

I agree with Kyle because many people miss key features in this society without pain, it would make it more simplistic.

4725291 — 2025-02-11 19:58:46 UTC

I agree with Zeke because it is very obvious that Gabriel is a very significant figure in the book. Through the context this is shown and it's is clear that he is different from others.

4725753 — 2025-02-11 19:59:36 UTC

I think a society needs pain to learn and develop for discipline as a human is growing. A good example of this would be how children in our world can get smacked or disciplined for doing things that are bad or against the rules of how their parents raise them. Another good example of this would be a family member or someone close to somebody dying. A persons death can help someone learn how to deal with other things that are going on in their life while they are still focused on the passing.

4722561 — 2025-02-11 19:59:44 UTC

I challenge what Brayden said about how Gabriel is just a normal child, because Gabriel wouldn't be living at Jonas's house if it weren't for him being unhealthy and underweight. I think that Gabriel is different from other infants because he is unhealthy and because he has the eyes.

4702921 — 2025-02-11 19:59:52 UTC

I disagree with Brayden because I believe that Gabriel is a significant character in the book, considering that he is mentioned multiple times and the fact that like Jonas they have different eye colors from others.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:00:08 UTC

I agree with Brayden when he said that all children scream and cry and that Gabriel is just witnessing new things.

4718512 — 2025-02-11 20:00:19 UTC

I agree with Tristan about once a community achieves sameness they will be left with a community like the give and I can add on with if everyone is the same, some people would want to be different and that can be a problem with that type of community.

4693961 — 2025-02-11 20:00:46 UTC

I agree with Zeke because it has been shown throughout the book that Gabriel seems to be significant. With his differences and how similar he is to Jonas, I think that there could be a deeper meaning with Gabriel.

2025-02-11 20:01:05 UTC

I agree with Brayden saying that Gabriel is not a significant character because there is not much impact on the story because of him and he is a normal child.

4767361 — 2025-02-11 20:02:05 UTC

I disagree with Braiden on Gabriel being normal due to Gabriel's ability to receive memories from Jonas. It seems like only special people can receive memories like how Jonas could receive memories from the giver. Gabriel may be a future receiver.

476166 — 2025-02-11 20:02:57 UTC

I agree with Brayden that Gabriel is just a normal child as he does the same activities as normal children and just because he has a different appearance than other children, that doesn't mean he is any different from anyone.

4712452 — 2025-02-11 20:03:47 UTC

I agree with Zeke when he said Gabriel might be a significant part of the story because of the connection Gabriel developed with Jonas.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:04:00 UTC

I agree with Iris that it wouldn't matter to say the eye color if it doesn't mean anything significant.

4723571 — 2025-02-11 20:04:07 UTC

I agree with Zeke that Gabriel is a significant character in the book, I think he might signify the new generation that will be raised outside of the community.

4693831 — 2025-02-11 20:04:16 UTC

I agree with Iris saying how Jonas' eye color is significant because if it wasn't then why would they say anything about it?

4718512 — 2025-02-11 20:04:26 UTC

I agree with Zeke because Jonas likes Gabriel and doesn't want him to be killed. I can add on because nearing the end of the book, Jonas took Gabriel so he won't be killed. Jonas even gave him memories of snow so he wouldn't be found with heat seeking aircrafts.

4702921 — 2025-02-11 20:05:39 UTC

I agree with iris because the author wouldn't have mentioned Jonas's and Gabriel's eye color if it wasn't significant.

4713821 — 2025-02-11 20:05:55 UTC

I agree with Maddox because the "release" that Jonas' Dad do had created an effect in the relationship between them because they thought "releasing" was something of praise.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:05:57 UTC

I agree with Iris when she mentioned that Jonas found out that his father had been lying, so it would impact their relationship.

4712452 — 2025-02-11 20:06:41 UTC

I agree with Maddox when he said his relationship with he father would change because imagine seeing your parent figure killing children, would it not drastically change your perspective on them? Plus, Jonas and the rest of the community thought that the release of people was a celebration, for freedom, but when Jonas found out the truth I think he may have felt betrayed.

4693831 — 2025-02-11 20:06:43 UTC

I agree with Maddox because if Jonas now holds the knowledge of where release is something where people are killed. Then, it definitely would flip Jonas' perspective and relationship with his dad since his dad is someone who killed one of the babies who was set for release.

4718512 — 2025-02-11 20:07:11 UTC

I agree with Maddox by how everyone believes releasing is a good thing but it is really being killed, I can add on by once Jonas saw the video of release, he had a different thought about releasing.

4693961 — 2025-02-11 20:07:37 UTC

I agree with Maddox because Jonas seems to be largely impacted after seeing the footage of his father releasing a child, as well as the knowledge that he has been lied to for so long by him.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:07:41 UTC

I agree with Brayden that if the community found out what release was, the members would most likely want to leave.

4825821 — 2025-02-11 20:07:45 UTC

I agree with Maddox because the people of the society celebrate release and when it happens they think it is a beautiful thing that will happen to everyone but since Jonas knows that they kill the people that are released, now he hates the idea of release and it will most likely effect his relationship with his father.

4723571 — 2025-02-11 20:07:52 UTC

I agree with Breanna because the community has been so sheltered that they would have no idea what "death" is. This is important because even if the secrets of the community were exposed they would have no way of conceptualizing why that is wrong.

2025-02-11 20:07:57 UTC

I agree with Iris saying that release is hidden as a "good" thing and society hides the fact that releasing someone to "elsewhere" is just killing the person.

488269_1 — 2025-02-11 20:08:08 UTC

I agree with Brianna because they think the "release" is something unharmful, even though in reality it is killing the people, especially kids that don't fit into the perfect society.

476166 — 2025-02-11 20:09:30 UTC

I could build on Maddox's opinion that Jonas could also be traumatized and feel betrayed that his father had been releasing or killing children because Jonas didn't have an actual idea of what being released was and that his father wasn't an innocent or good person as Jonas thought he was.

4829391 — 2025-02-11 20:09:59 UTC

I agree with Brayden that if people in the community were to discover what release actually was and if they weren't only just assuming what it means that the society would most likely be upset with the idea and would want to leave.

4712452 — 2025-02-11 20:10:00 UTC

I agree with Brayden when he said that without experiencing individuality or experience because it can make you a less duller person and it creates a lesser version of yourself.

4718512 — 2025-02-11 20:11:23 UTC

I agree with Iris by the community deciding what job fits you and I can add on by what Jonas does and how that made him become the giver.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:11:36 UTC

I agree with Brayden because getting jobs are based off of the volunteering hours and what they decide to do to help.

4702921 — 2025-02-11 20:12:57 UTC

I agree with Zeke on how they wouldn't accept change. I feel like because of the way they perceive life they wouldnt understand or know what to do if they had the opportunity to do what they want.

4767361 — 2025-02-11 20:13:02 UTC

I don't think they would like getting rid of sameness because if someone came to us and said that we can't see color or feel pain then we would hate that. If we did that same thing to them then they would definitely not like it.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:13:13 UTC

I agree with Maddox since the people are so used to the rules that they would most likely not take an opportunity to break the rules and be different.

4718512 — 2025-02-11 20:13:47 UTC

I disagree with maddox because being different can create difficulties but it can also be better because people can compare and contrast things.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:14:02 UTC

I agree with Iris that they're so used to being the same that it would be awkward to break the rules.

4712452 — 2025-02-11 20:14:07 UTC

I agree with Maddox when he said that being different wouldn't really be a choice because people are so use to the idea of what they do now, that they'd be too uncomfortable to change any way. It'd seem distorted.

4693961 — 2025-02-11 20:14:32 UTC

With Kyle's point, I think that it might depend on each person how they would react to different and new things. I think the majority of the community would be against it because of how the community has affected their lives, though I think that there could potentially be people that would be curious about this change.

476166 — 2025-02-11 20:14:56 UTC

I agree with Maddox because they are so used to their normal routine so the big change of being different could be overwhelming for them which could result to them rejecting the offer of being different.

4725291 — 2025-02-11 20:15:17 UTC

I agree with Maddox about them being used to being the same and so used to the rules that they just won't be able or think to break the rules for any reason. They wouldn't take any opportunities to break a law.

4806532 — 2025-02-11 20:15:39 UTC

I agree with Maddox when she said Jonas was faced with the truth of release so he would most likely rather leave the community rather than stay.

4729901 — 2025-02-11 20:15:48 UTC

What effect do you think would be placed upon Jonas' mother if she knew what Jonas' father does to newborns when they go through the process of releasing them?

2025-02-11 20:16:20 UTC

I agree with Maddox and Iris because they have included that Jonas wants to bring difference and experience the truth, based off of him being lied to and seeing new things by the memories Just as he had seen the truth of releasing, he wanted to know more secrets that are hidden.

4693831 — 2025-02-13 19:52:44 UTC

Was Jonas right for leaving the community with a baby?

2025-02-13 19:54:18 UTC

I agree with Zeke because I believe it depends on who it is. Other people will have different reactions and some will want change and some wont.

2025-02-13 19:54:42 UTC

Tristan's point on what type of memories that the public are given will depend on whether they would like to have a change or not is something I agree about because if they are given the memories about war and killing, they would think that change would be a bad thing but if they get memories of Christmas parties and love they would really want change.

4806532 — 2025-02-13 19:54:44 UTC

I agree with Iris when she said that some people would want to say, and others would want to go and it all just depends on who the person is.

476166 — 2025-02-13 19:55:44 UTC

I agree with Zeke that depending on what type of people if the people like change or if they like things staying the same so they have a routine. I could also add that if the whole community didn't get the memories slowly but instead all at once, they would get overwhelmed and would change them in different ways.

4712452 — 2025-02-13 19:57:57 UTC

I agree with Elin when she said that it would be difficult to convince families to take their kids and leave.

4693831 — 2025-02-13 19:58:00 UTC

I agree with Elin saying how Jonas was right with only bringing Gabriel since Gabriel is just a baby and obviously doesn't know what's going on around him.

2025-02-13 19:58:12 UTC

Elin asked if Jonas was or was not right for taking Gabriel when he left the community and I believe he was right because if he didn't Gabriel would have been released so he basically saved Gabriel and possibly gave him a much better life.

4729901 — 2025-02-13 19:58:21 UTC

I do think Gabriel would have a deeper meaning in the book because in the end Jonas learns to be selfless and he said that he no longer cared about himself. Gabriel kind of shows what true connection is like because Jonas started to ensure Gabriel's safety like when they crashed the bike, he instinctively reached for Gabriel.

4718512 — 2025-02-13 19:58:36 UTC

I disagree with Braden because many people would not want to leave the community and with many children would make it harder to leave with all of them.

2025-02-13 19:58:39 UTC

I disagree with Brayden because I feel that if Jonas left with multiple kids, it would cause chaos and with Gabriel, he is just a baby and doesn't realize anything but the other kids would and would feel discomfort and scared. It would definitely not be normal to the kids and they would feel displaced.

4767361 — 2025-02-13 19:59:09 UTC

I agree with Tristan on why bringing other kids would have been difficult and how it was the right decision to just bring Gabriel. Also he had barely enough memories to keep himself and Gabriel alive.

4718512 — 2025-02-13 19:59:44 UTC

I agree with Tristan because it would be harder to escape with many people so he could only take Gabriel with him.

488269_1 — 2025-02-13 20:00:02 UTC

I disagree with Brayden because Gabriel is too young to understand anything that was going on, so I think that it was the right thing of Jonas to do.

476166 — 2025-02-13 20:00:35 UTC

I agree with Tristan that because Jonas has limited memories, he wouldn't of been able to help Fiona and Asher survive because he doesn't have enough comforting memories for all of them to feel.

2025-02-13 20:01:25 UTC

Briana said that she believed Jonas died at the end of the book because she thought that the sled and snow hill were just from his memory and Kyle said that it was basically his life flashing before his eyes and I agree with that because it is said that often times when you are about to die your mind is flooded with memories of family and happy memories

4716512 — 2025-02-13 20:01:38 UTC

I agree with Tristan because bringing more kids would have been a challenge and that Jonas made the right decision to bring Gabriel.

4806532 — 2025-02-13 20:02:33 UTC

I agree that at the end of the book, it could be interpreted that Jonas and Gabriel had passed away due to the fact that they were both suffering from starvation and along with many other things.

2025-02-13 20:02:38 UTC

I agree with Brayden when he said that he believe Jonas didn't survive because of the way the story ended so immediately.

4716512 — 2025-02-13 20:02:44 UTC

I agree with Tristan because bringing other kids would have been a challenge. Jonas made the right decision to just bring Gabriel.

4767361 — 2025-02-13 20:02:54 UTC

I disagree with Ben on the theory of Jonas dying. In the book it states that Jonas was close enough to the civilization he could hear it which means that he would have been close enough to the point where he could have made it barely.

4693961 — 2025-02-13 20:03:18 UTC

I agree with Briana, I think Jonas did not make it because it described before that he was trying to keep himself alive as well as Gabriel and how cold everything was, and I think the ending was him experiencing one of the memories.

4723571 — 2025-02-13 20:03:24 UTC

To answer Zeke's question, I think that if Jonas did die the memories would go to the community, similar to how the memories got transferred to the community after Rosemary was killed.

4718512 — 2025-02-13 20:03:44 UTC

Would the community make everyone try to forget about Jonas and Gabriel and act like they don't exist?

2025-02-13 20:04:35 UTC

I feel that if all the memories flood their minds all at once, it would be a disaster because they wouldn't be able to control all emotions such as pain, happiness, sadness, and all the different realities.

2025-02-13 20:05:16 UTC

I agree with Ben when he said that the community would go crazy if they received Jonas' memories because they would be very frightened by the pain and the colors.

4729901 — 2025-02-13 20:07:18 UTC

I think the community would be affected because they would get a deeper meaning to things because when Jonas interrupted the kids playing a game, Jonas stopped them because he saw the other side to it and how it was a war game, even though the kids saw it as just a game. The community getting the memories would stop them from staying happy.

4712452 — 2025-02-13 20:07:47 UTC

I agree with Tristan when he said that people will make bad things seem good when in reality they are not because the people wouldn't be prepared nor ready for what is going to be exposed. And he also stated that if the government wanted a community that was happy it would be their duty to do that to manipulate us.

2025-02-13 20:09:17 UTC

I agree with Brayden saying that always telling the truth isn't always good and that there should be some things that should be lied about because if all the truth is revealed, people may go crazy and insane and an entire civilization could fall apart upon learning about terrible terrible things

4718512 — 2025-02-13 20:09:40 UTC

I agree with Braden that if you get away with lying it could benefit you, but would cause a problem to others.

2025-02-13 20:10:29 UTC

I agree with Tristan because if you lead people down with pure happiness, when something bad happens, it may become a threat and they won't understand it or it would make them feel pain more then if they had pain to start with.

4718512 — 2025-02-13 20:10:51 UTC

Why does the government not want them to know about things like colors?

4723571 — 2025-02-13 20:11:04 UTC

I agree with Brayden on some of his points, I agree that sometimes lying can be beneficial in order to give people hope. Although lying about important things and hiding them from the truth can end up being very hurtful.

4829391 — 2025-02-13 20:11:07 UTC

I agree with Brayden that the truth is not always the best option and that lying is okay to an extent because it could benefit you in a way. I think this because the truth can hurt at times so maybe to protect the feelings of someone lying could be the best option, it really depends on the situation or circumstance.

2025-02-13 20:11:35 UTC

I agree with Brayden by him saying that telling the truth isn't always good because based on their society, they are afraid of people telling lies because it might take a toll on the community or change the perspective on people's minds. Same thing as the people taking pills, for them to take "bad things" off their minds.

4725291 — 2025-02-13 20:12:10 UTC

I agree with Johana because there are things in the real world that relate to the giver and their society. Though, even with how the president is, people are still different and it won't fully spiral into a society like the giver.

4718512 — 2025-02-13 20:13:11 UTC

I agree with Kyle that people aren't the same and won't believe other people but some people will believe others.

2025-02-13 20:13:11 UTC

I agree with Kyle and Zeke because now it is extremely hard to have everyone agree on one thing since everyone has their own opinion.

476166 — 2025-02-13 20:13:46 UTC

I agree with Kyle that because there are things like religion and belief, it would be almost impossible to get everyone to believe in the same things and for everyone to be the same.