Padlet for ND 5005 Ethical discussion by Nikki B https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh Made with ♥ en-us 2021-06-22 10:53:34 UTC 2025-11-08 02:20:43 UTC hello@padlet.com no as the need and safety of the whole ward needs to be taken into account https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575276 2021-06-22 12:49:23 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575276 no - it is not in our job role and we should not encourage patients to be smoking https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575490 2021-06-22 12:49:32 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575490 No - as it will not aid his recovery and it is taking a member of staff away from the ward. But should a relative or friend come to visit they could do so after having explained all of the risks to his health to him, as he would be deemed to have capacity https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575738 2021-06-22 12:49:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575738 When time permits, yes. A right to make a choice https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575773 2021-06-22 12:49:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575773 no, smoking isnt permitted on hospital grounds so it would mean staff having to leave the hospital whilst on their shift and if anything happened to the patient they would be limited in being able to get help https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575922 2021-06-22 12:49:48 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575922 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575958 He has got capacity he can take responsibilities, understand  risk of COPD and smoking as a health care professional we can educate patients however he has got free will to do so. we can involve HCA or porter to escort service user 


]]> 2021-06-22 12:49:50 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575958 no, i would explain why i cant take him and promise to take him later on in the day when the ward is quieter https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575987 2021-06-22 12:49:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619575987 No, a member of staff shouldn't go down with him. However it is a patients right to do as they wish if they have the capacity to do so. if a family member was around they could take them. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576020 2021-06-22 12:49:53 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576020 Does he have capacity to know the risks? https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576038 2021-06-22 12:49:53 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576038 no I wouldn't as smoking is prohibited in the hospital grounds https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576217 2021-06-22 12:50:02 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576217 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576218 Yes - when it is less busy ]]> 2021-06-22 12:50:02 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576218 if there was enough staff on then yes - but not if the ward is short staffed https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576801 2021-06-22 12:50:25 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619576801 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577206 yes the patient should be able to go for a cigarette as long as a staff member feels comfortable enough to go . if not security are normally happy or porters.

]]> 2021-06-22 12:50:42 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577206 no https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577388 The patient is COPD and as a staff, we need to encourage to stop smoking

]]> 2021-06-22 12:50:49 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577388 yes as he has capacity to make the decision to smoke regardless of his COPD. - however we could first reiterate that it isn't good for him https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577542 2021-06-22 12:50:54 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577542 it isnt going to assist in his recovery https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577767 2021-06-22 12:51:02 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577767 .. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577821 Someone should explain to the patient that a member of staff will take him out when time and availability allows. I have no issues taking patients out, assuming the ward is safe enough to leave

]]> 2021-06-22 12:51:04 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577821 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577870 No because it could endanger the safety on the ward]]> 2021-06-22 12:51:06 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619577870 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578215 Yes. Smoking is part of his routine and may have a therapeutic effect. So denying him this can not only upset him but trigger unwanted behaviours.]]> 2021-06-22 12:51:19 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578215 and it's against doctors advice so healthcare professional should follow the advice https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578532 2021-06-22 12:51:32 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578532 patient would be able to go if he can go himself, would be interesting if he would be willing to get washed and dressed before he went down too! https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578632 2021-06-22 12:51:36 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578632 Smoking isnt permitted on hospital grounds. However is this a deprivaton of liberty? Perhaps a family member can take them? https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578775 2021-06-22 12:51:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578775 i will ask him to be please be patient and go when its less busy on the ward and a staff can leave https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578778 2021-06-22 12:51:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578778 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578926 It’s his human right to be able to go for a cigarette. Explain the ward is busy and that you advise he doesn’t go ]]> 2021-06-22 12:51:46 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619578926 dose he understand the risks https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579280 ?

]]> 2021-06-22 12:52:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579280 If there are not enough staff to take him down, I would explain this and say someone can take him when it is less busy as patients need care. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579582 2021-06-22 12:52:05 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579582 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579909 If he has capacity and you take him to a designated smoking area then that's his decision. If he does not have capacity then you wouldn't, as it isn't good for them. But you can only advise someone with capacity, you can't deny them of their wishes.

]]> 2021-06-22 12:52:12 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619579909 If he has capacity he also has the capacity to understand hospitals are busy and can wait until it is quiet :) https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580089 2021-06-22 12:52:20 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580089 Yes , when this happens when I am https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580125 working I do , and remind patient I will take them when the ward is less. Ensure I stick to my word and take patient .
Patient knows the risk of smoking ]]> 2021-06-22 12:52:21 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580125 No as the ward is busy and there are not enough staff. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580268 2021-06-22 12:52:28 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580268 just because he has capacity to smoke doesnt mean he has the physical capacity to and so he is dependent on others which isnt fair on the rest of the patients who may need assistance..what if there was a cardiac arrest whilst staff out smoking https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580277 2021-06-22 12:52:28 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580277 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580330 We are there to promote health wellbeing yes but if someone wants to smoke that is their right. Staff can leave the ward when it is safe to do so 

]]> 2021-06-22 12:52:29 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580330 only if the ward has enough staff on, this should be explained to the patient https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580730 2021-06-22 12:52:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619580730 staff are unable to do it https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581131 its not high prority]]> 2021-06-22 12:52:58 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581131 its his right to make decisions even bad ones, and its part of his normal routine and life style, stopping smoking should be encouraged however its his right and shortness of staff isn't his issue. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581151 2021-06-22 12:52:59 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581151 Yes, it's his choice if a staff memeber is free https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581314 2021-06-22 12:53:06 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581314 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581511 yeah it's his life. his life expectancy is ]]> 2021-06-22 12:53:14 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619581511 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582032 Yes, because denying him will be a breach of his human right. What we could do considering the busy nature of the ward is to seek some patience from him, pending when we could manage to take him]]> 2021-06-22 12:53:34 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582032 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582057 Someone should take him as it’s within his human rights, however, you should wait until the staffing levels are safe]]> 2021-06-22 12:53:35 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582057 doesnt look good on the hospital if the public see staff stood with people smoking on hospital grounds, they may think its the staff who are smoking so doesnt promote health - also not promoting health if asissting patient in smoking https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582204 2021-06-22 12:53:40 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619582204 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583020 Yes they should be able to do as they wish. However, I have heard health professionals advise against things like this. ]]> 2021-06-22 12:54:08 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583020 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583084 No ]]> 2021-06-22 12:54:10 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583084 yes and no. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583460 if he has capacity then he has the right to make that choice to smoke. However the ward shouldn't be left for this

]]> 2021-06-22 12:54:24 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583460 NO. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583530 2021-06-22 12:54:27 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619583530 offer help to stop smoking and offer nicotine patch https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619585612 2021-06-22 12:55:42 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619585612 there is hundreds of patients in the jospital we cannot https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619588138 2021-06-22 12:57:08 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619588138 Smoking was encouraged when he was young. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619590329 2021-06-22 12:58:29 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619590329 Dog, Chimp, Child, Scientist https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619601996 2021-06-22 13:05:07 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619601996 Where is the boat coming from and going to? lol https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619602085 2021-06-22 13:05:10 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619602085 Child, Dog, Scientist and lady with down syndrome https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619602935 2021-06-22 13:05:26 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619602935 If the boat is on land and going to land than that differs my opinion https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603109 2021-06-22 13:05:32 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603109 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603236 Child, dog, chimpanzee, scientist 

]]> 2021-06-22 13:05:36 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603236 all the humans https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603416 2021-06-22 13:05:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603416 child, scienist, woman with downs sydrome and the man with demetia https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603481 :)

]]> 2021-06-22 13:05:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603481 dog, child, scientist and the lady https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603556 yes he sh]]> 2021-06-22 13:05:45 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603556 I would take them all - two of the humans can carry the animals - hide them in their coat or piggy back https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603834 2021-06-22 13:05:55 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603834 dog, child, scientist and lady with downs syndrome https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603919 2021-06-22 13:05:58 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603919 child man dog chimpanzee https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603953 2021-06-22 13:05:59 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603953 I wouldnt pick the child, tarzan in the 2021 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603988 2021-06-22 13:06:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619603988 Child, 90 year old , Down’s syndrome, chip - could be seen as vulnerable and unable to help themselves https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604171 2021-06-22 13:06:07 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604171 dog, chimpanzee, child and scientist https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604257 2021-06-22 13:06:09 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604257 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604380 1 year old child, dog, 40 year old scientist, 35 years  old woman]]> 2021-06-22 13:06:13 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604380 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604459 1year old, 40 yes old scientist,
30 yr old with Down syndrome and 90 yr old ]]> 2021-06-22 13:06:16 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604459 Rescue dog,40 years old scientist,healthy 1year old child and ? https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604497 2021-06-22 13:06:17 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604497 All the humans - then swim back for the dog! https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604634

]]> 2021-06-22 13:06:22 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604634 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604635 1 year old, 35 year old, 40 year old and chimpanzee. the dog can swim.]]> 2021-06-22 13:06:22 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604635 you do multiple trips... then they all can https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604859 2021-06-22 13:06:30 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619604859 If the scientist is so smart can't he decide (or she) (not assuming) https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619605206 2021-06-22 13:06:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619605206 dog can swim, https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606274 2021-06-22 13:07:20 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606274 he will probably forget it happened. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606700 2021-06-22 13:07:30 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606700 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606800 I’d be one on there! It’s too hard to choose ]]> 2021-06-22 13:07:34 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619606800 Eat the dog and chimp and take humans https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619607233 2021-06-22 13:07:47 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619607233 you leg it as fast as you can out the back door, every man for themselves... sorry. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619608364 2021-06-22 13:08:25 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619608364 Yes https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619609740 2021-06-22 13:09:07 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619609740 It's not unlawful to prevent murder!! https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610094 2021-06-22 13:09:20 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610094 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610367 Yes lied and told him a different place to where the student was hiding then run ]]> 2021-06-22 13:09:27 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610367 yes https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610377 2021-06-22 13:09:28 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610377 The student must have done some bad practice to be murdered for it https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610730 2021-06-22 13:09:40 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610730 your moral compass should be that you lie to protect the student. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610796 2021-06-22 13:09:42 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610796 Always tell the truth duty of candour! https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610865 2021-06-22 13:09:44 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619610865 lie https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611119 2021-06-22 13:09:51 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611119 Consequentialism https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611285 2021-06-22 13:09:56 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611285 So many questions https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611415 2021-06-22 13:10:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611415 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611542 I will lie in this context, as I will be saving a life by so doing]]> 2021-06-22 13:10:05 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619611542 lie https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612115 2021-06-22 13:10:23 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612115 to safe someone's life https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612191 lie]]> 2021-06-22 13:10:26 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612191 you wouldn't lie if you made a error to a patient, why lie to cover someone else. which is against the law. NMC would have a field day. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612364 2021-06-22 13:10:31 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612364 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612607 Lie ]]> 2021-06-22 13:10:37 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612607 tell the truth and call security https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612649 2021-06-22 13:10:37 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612649 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612851 send natalie she will sort him out



]]> 2021-06-22 13:10:40 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619612851 truth is important but so is safety https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619614063 2021-06-22 13:11:18 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619614063 Best interest decision - for the student https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619614759 2021-06-22 13:11:41 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619614759 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619615035 Lie]]> 2021-06-22 13:11:50 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619615035 Sacrifice the student https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619615769 2021-06-22 13:12:13 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619615769 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619617461 It is unlawful not to give assistance to a person in danger.So student life should be saved at all cost.]]> 2021-06-22 13:13:02 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619617461 yes, she can be put under anaesthetic using gas rather then a needle. that way Mrs Y is sill calm, and still get the surgery she requires https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619621275 2021-06-22 13:15:00 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619621275 Have a best interest meeting, perform the operation include the niece to help with her fear and behavior on the day https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619621354 2021-06-22 13:15:03 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619621354 Yes - the aneathetist could use gases to get her to sleep and the put an canula to keep her asleep https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622014 2021-06-22 13:15:24 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622014 no https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622020 if she has capacity and no power of aterny then no leave her be

]]> 2021-06-22 13:15:24 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622020 Yes - in the patients best interest. DOLS?! Take away patients freedom but in their best interest https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622080 2021-06-22 13:15:26 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622080 couldnt she be offered a gas induction and then be given a long line for after procedure access. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622337 2021-06-22 13:15:34 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622337 Has everything been tried e.g the niece talking to her or being surrounded by fimilar settings https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622669 2021-06-22 13:15:45 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619622669 a capacity assessment should be carried out, if no capacity then a best interests meeting https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619623252 2021-06-22 13:16:01 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619623252 General Anaesthetic without needle https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619623288 2021-06-22 13:16:02 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619623288 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624611 just because of her LD she can still make her own decision untill proven otherwise]]> 2021-06-22 13:16:37 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624611 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624788 Anaesthesia can still be provided in gas form and achieve Sedation so that surgery can still take place with patient choice being also taken into consideration ]]> 2021-06-22 13:16:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624788 surely can be done without using needle https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624805 2021-06-22 13:16:43 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619624805 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619625137 If the patient has mental capacity then you’d have to comply with the patients wishes, other options can be explored for example the gel that numbs the skin before any needles are introduced ]]> 2021-06-22 13:16:55 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619625137 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619625255 He should if this is an emergency and if not this can be taken to court under mental health act cause it is life threatening.       ]]> 2021-06-22 13:16:59 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619625255 i suppose, consent wise, only a yes means yes. so if she is proven to have capacity still then it also is no means no. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619627672 2021-06-22 13:18:08 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619627672 It doesn't state if she has capacity.. https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619629016 2021-06-22 13:18:50 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619629016 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619644726 Respect her decision]]> 2021-06-22 13:26:12 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619644726 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619644941 Do not give them blood but you can give them other things]]> 2021-06-22 13:26:17 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619644941 Surely i https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645439 2021-06-22 13:26:33 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645439 asked family if this is still current https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645446 2021-06-22 13:26:33 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645446 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645832 act in her best interests

]]> 2021-06-22 13:26:44 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619645832 Yo https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619646686 2021-06-22 13:27:09 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619646686 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619646724 Act in best interest of the patient ]]> 2021-06-22 13:27:10 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619646724 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619647398 Then you will act on best interest if no any other information can’t be accessed]]> 2021-06-22 13:27:31 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619647398 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648266 Age doesn’t matter ]]> 2021-06-22 13:27:59 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648266 https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648661 Everyone over 18 deemed to have capacity unless
Proven otherwise . Under 16 would need to consider assessment ]]> 2021-06-22 13:28:14 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648661 respect her believe https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648698 2021-06-22 13:28:15 UTC https://padlet.com/nikkibuck1/24lhkctw495owpsh/wish/1619648698