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yeah Nicole get it

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SHE DESCRIBED THE GHOST SO WELL

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This debate is whether or not the ghosts were real.

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why would someone cover up lust with a ghost wouldn't you just try to cover it up by not talking about it

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If they are or are not real?
we just went over this, They are real
Nobody had to know about her lust? She made the ghosts up to hide something that nobody even knew was happening??

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spit fire.

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rebuttal
the job of a governess is literally to care for the children in the place of a mother. you dumb.
yeah but she didn't see the last governess or that peter guy so she couldn't make up a description.

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her job is to take care of the kids???? why would she wanna have sex with them???????????????? I never got a sense of that while reading in the first place wtf

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But the Governess describes peter in such great detail that only those who knew him would know
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Why would ghosts explain the children's behavior?
If my theory is right about Quint possessing Miles, then Miles is acting the way the ghost would want him to.
We don't know if the house is "drafty" or not.
Servants were not treated like they were people; they would not have pictures taken of them.

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Rebuttal:
-Yeah but she still sees the ghosts while they are behaving????????
INAPPROPRIATE AFFECTION????? WHERE????
Maybe it has nothing to do with sex?
The story is in first person, maybe she wasn't actually hired

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rebuttle
Maybe they starting acting out because the ghost
Maybe he is acting out because the ghost because the ghost comes back and messing with him
Why would she make up ghost to cover up her lust
why would
wouldn't make it a supernatural novel if the diction is supernatural
diction helps determine the novel genre

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How can she imagine people she never saw?

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she basically just said there could be ghosts then
which goes against what she said the whole time

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Just because his dad influenced him doesn't mean that he doesn't believe in ghosts. Besides that, who cares if he does? He could not believe in ghosts but still write about them. Also, enough about the author, were ghosts real in the story? That's what matters.

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did she come from a big family??

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I understand why the author plays a major role in the novel, but I really don't think it proves exactly what makes it "psychological."
Anyone can write a novel about ghosts even if you don't believe in them.

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Is she American?
Did she have abuse?
Doesn't consciousness mean that you are aware?
She was aware of the ghost
Isn't science some part of supernatural?
Then it isn't stated that it is psychological
Maybe he made an exception with this book to make it a ghost story.
Why would she want to hold on to the Miss Jessel?
She had no relationship with her.

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Psychological:
- Ghosts are pretty traumatic.
"chances are that the ghosts were real"
-maybe he wrote about ghosts because he had an imagination?
-The book is literally a novella about ghost stories.
-HIS REAL LIFE FEELINGS DON'T MEAN THAT HE COULDN'T BE WRITING ABOUT GHOSTS THAT ARE REAL IN A STORY.

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third person
"most likely" you don't know for sure?
"chances are" you still don't know for sure?
his father has nothing to do with the book being about ghosts.
um excuse me but ghosts are real. it is science. there is evidence of actual ghosts in real life. for example, my neighbor had photographs of actual ghosts that lived in the cemetery i used to live next to. so ghosts actual are real and actually are scientific.
there's no way that's actually true because the cemetery i lived next to was full of people that no one living near there had any connection to. they were people who had died in the 1700s. there was no connection to the people living and yet the ghosts were still there so????

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Governess still had people to be with

I don't think she saw a ghost out of the corner of her eye
She described the ghost very well.
Saw them clearly
Wouldn't you think that if something was picking on her she would stop.
didn't sleep because she was scared of ghost
Others said that they believe ghost she isn't the only one
Is there any proof that because of her sleep deprivation caused her seeing ghost?

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Psychological Speaker Two
- I never imagine people when I'm home alone.
-She literally described a man that Mrs Grose knew. You can't just make people up out of the air.

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WOah. That brings a whole new aspect of things into this debate. Either way, the presence of supernatural activity is prevalent in this story.

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children are drawn to the place to see to the ghost because they have had a relationship with them.
Flora loved miss Jessel because she spent most of her time with her.
Miles had a relationship with Peter Quint
Ghost wouldn't come back if they didn't have a relationship with the people they haunted.

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that's how ghosts work sometimes. if you want someone there but you're not specific enough, they will show up whether you're actually asking hem to be there or not.
the kids can't pull the prank of her seeing a ghost. why would anyone want to live a horrible life? of course they knew about the ghosts. they saw them too.
there already was an explanation because there were ghosts and hats why the kids were acting weird.
excitement and hullucinations are two very different things. she wasn't hullucinating. excitement doesn't create something for you to fear. fear makes you make up things to fear.

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she can't just make up these people that Grose knows too like that's impossible

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back then lust for women was a psychological problem, but now its not.....so is it a mental illness? I mean she can't make up the ghost because you cant make up something you've never seen before.

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and mental illnesses don't just magically appear

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bro lust isn't a mental illness

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what is the specific 'illness'? that's pretty vague to me
nothing theyre saying is even making sense psychologically

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is that true? Like...it's actually an inappropriate story? or? Where did that come from? I never got that from this.

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How could the lust mess with her brain by seeing dead people?
By wanting to molest the children how does that have to do with seeing the ghost?
Kids look as her as a mother. Kids kiss their mother and love them.
Miles did say that Peter Quint was with them at the end of the book right before he die

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first speaker
what mental illness? prove it. where does it say she has a mental illness?
the kids did she the ghost.
or maybe she just actually cares about the kids????? like what on earth. THE KIDS DO SEE THE GHOSTS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
girl that's her job. she is their guardian. that's literally what a gonverness is. that's her job.
she cares about them and wants to take care of them. it's not lust. it's love. her job is to care about them.
it's not a mental illness. she has no mental illness. other people see the ghosts.
she doesn't have a mental illness. no where does he ever say there's a mental illness. so prove she has one. you can't. because no where does he say she has a mental illness.

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Speaker One
Supernatural:
How else could Miles death be explained?
The governess didn't realize she had seen a ghost until she explained the man to Mrs Grose, she thought she was looking at an actual man not a ghost.
Psychological:
- The boy addresses Quint at the end of the story, so how is it just a figment of imagination?
- If this is all imagination, how is the rushes of cold air and the creepy feelings that the Governess experiences?
Speaker Two:
Supernatural:
-At one point the governess makes the observation that both the children are oddly cold and their emotions are not that of a normal child.
- Either the ghosts are real, or, there are a heck of a lot of weird coincidences in this story.