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What’s one takeaway that you know now that you didn’t know before this town hall?

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What’s one takeaway that you know now that you didn’t know before this town hall?

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2.	What questions do you have about the changes to the general education requirements for local associate degrees? 

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2.	What questions do you have about the changes to the general education requirements for local associate degrees? 

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4.	What does it mean to align our local GE pattern with CalGETC? How will aligning with CalGETC affect students who may or may not choose to transfer?  

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4.	What does it mean to align our local GE pattern with CalGETC? How will aligning with CalGETC affect students who may or may not choose to transfer?  

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1.	Considering the recent title 5 changes, how might Mt. SAC review and update our current General Education Philosophy statement? 

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1.	Considering the recent title 5 changes, how might Mt. SAC review and update our current General Education Philosophy statement? 

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5.	What are the consequences of a local GE pattern not aligning with CalGETC? 

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5.	What are the consequences of a local GE pattern not aligning with CalGETC? 

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3.	How do you think the changes could affect students in terms of their: A. educational goals, B. transfer rates, C. preparation for career, or, D.other?                                                 

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3.	How do you think the changes could affect students in terms of their: A. educational goals, B. transfer rates, C. preparation for career, or, D.other?                                                 

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(1) Not allowing the UCs to determine/ influence local GEs at the community college

(2) Community college serves a diverse set of students - AREA E courses can help to address the needs of our student pop. "we are not a UC"

(3) Giving student choices, options for lifelong learning

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Local GE as launching point for Transfer

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Local GE as launching point for Transfer

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Aligning local GE with CalGetc and help student transfer if they to decide to transfer. This way students are not taking extra classes or courses that not align with UC/ CSU transfer requirements.

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Reducing GE requirements can give student options to choose elective units to fulfill 60 units.

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This can positively impact students who are in AS high unit major.

Can also impact working student population, helping to reduce work/ courseload.

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How many students will be affected if they followed the Associates GE but then decide to transfer later? How do we address this?

Example taking World Language level 1 or 2 course, which satisfies AA/AS Humanities requirement, however, CalGETC requires level 3 or higher to be counted for GE.

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Pro: Student will take courses that will align with all educational goals.

Con: Many students are coming to Mt. SAC to pursue AA/AS degree, no transfer. Having one GE plan, limits choices .

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Reducing ENGL 1A and SPCH classes to 3 units? Rather than cutting AREA E

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Aligning Associate GE with Cal GETC will mean getting rid of AREA E.

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Local GE is Aligned with Cal GETC - pattern is aligned, however, classes may not aligned i.e. Arts/ Humanities

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Idea: students use Cal GETC instead of AA/AS local requirement to graduate?

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Giving students choice, rather than imposing requirement i.e. US History/ Poli

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Positive consequence: more choices, course options and breadth/ experience.

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Reducing GE requirement, keeping close to Title 5 req.

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Reducing GE requirement, keeping close to Title 5 req.

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Reducing GE requirements can positively impact students who are in AS high unit major. Reduce the amount of courses needed to complete major. Mt. SAC has several high unit majors: i.e. Sign Lang Interp., Interior Design, Nursing, Rad Tech, Aviation Science, etc.

Students may graduate sooner and start career sooner.

Can also help working student or student parent population, with less courses to complete/ reducing overall work/ courseload.

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Follow Title 5 recommendations and reduce area C to 1 class - choice of Arts or Humanities, AREA D - to 1 class (eliminating force choice of US Hist/ Am Inst. Poli) and eliminating AREA E.

Less GE units may allow students flexibility in choosing elective classes.

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Eliminating GE area may impact students' well roundedness and opportunity to explore

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Eliminating GE area may impact students' well roundedness and opportunity to explore

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Student may be technically skilled, however, may not have soft skills/ knowledge or simply opportunity to explore different topics of interest.

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Idea of adding Nutrition as an option or alternative to PE. Student will the option of taking PE course or Nutrition course.

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Some participants were not aware of Title 5 regulations.

Task of revising current Mt. SAC pattern is a difficult one.

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More faculty voices needed

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High Unit major because they are skilled based, but it should not negate the importance of GE requirements.

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Financial Literacy,

Adulting 101,

Nutrition

Swimming

classes should be required for all students.

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Is it necessary to revise current GE requirements?

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Is it necessary to revise current GE requirements?

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If MtSAC stays at 30+ units for GE vs. other local CCC with closer to 21 units (as recommended by Title 5) - students may choose to attend other schools to reduce course requirement/saving time. money and effort.

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We noticed to be in alignment with the Board of Governors philosophy, we would need lifelong learning to foster “the capability for self-understanding.”

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Remove gendered language

Make it shorter

“characteristics of an education person” – this is a loaded statement. Some may not have all those qualities and may feel like they are not all level yet. This phrase is problematic.

Want to add - To prepare students to reach their personal, educational, and career goals – add this.

Want to add from the BOG – develop the capacity for self-understanding.

If we feel it’s important for our students to explore themselves and how they fit into the world – with our experiences of students who are figuring out who they are and what they want to do – keeping area E is very important.

Like the encourage the life-long interest in learning.

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Reverse transfer students. Students might start at Mt. SAC, get a BA, then come back here because they can’t get a job because they don’t have skills and experience.

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There may be a cost-benefit analysis. Complete faster, potential for more FTEs for the campus. Cons would be the elimination of the exploratory spaces that we offer and not rushed decisions and deconstruct who they are as people. They come from a deficit perspective from high school. Those elements would be lost if we were to eliminate area E and E1. Community colleges students -it’s unfair that they do not have time to explore.

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A business model doesn’t apply to education and learning – get in and get out.

Students with the least resources who go to community college just go through it

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How to help the students who are not ready for the GE courses.

Not fair to put everyone on the transfer track. This is a disservice.

Our first gen students are going to gravitate toward the courses that interests them. They need those courses that are going to keep them coming back.

It takes time to develop the skills and maturing for the deep analysis classes.

We need more introductory courses for disciplines including career paths in the discipline. Students should be able to explore an area of interest. Example was the Engineering class that does this.

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We may get students who change their minds

Students may go to the schools where they can get their degree fastest.

Could be more legislation to tighten things up.

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There would be fewer opportunities for exploration so students can get out of here like the business model.

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We are getting farther away from what the community colleges are for – exploration, careers, and transfer.

Would like a menu and would like students to have choices.

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General education is the distinguishing feature of higher education. It is a broadly-based core of humanistic knowledge and abilities, the acquisition of which is the distinctive characteristic of the educated person. General education courses emphasize the ability to reason, to examine issues from different perspectives, to challenge authority, and to communicate ideas logically and confidently. They instill open-mindedness, respect for differences among people, and knowledge of self. By exposing students to different fields of study, general education courses provide an understanding of the human condition and of human accomplishments and encourage a lifelong interest in learning. Together with other Mt. San Antonio College degree requirements, the general education component of the associate degree prepares students to:

Somewhere add - … to reach their personal, career, and educational goals.