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Though that is true about the Grecian times, it could also be said about our as well. Cause reputation do matter still. It matters in their career field, online, and in life. You're reputation determines who you hang out with and who will hang out with you, just like the Grecian times.

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I like how he gave detail about how the gods like to act towards the mortals. Its very true the gods can do whatever they want and its simply not fair.

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Dylan Shupe #10 Paris is to blame for the war. He was irresponsible and did not respect that Hellen was already married. Also, he went and forced his problems on his people rather than dealing with it on his own. 

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Dylan Shupe #10 Paris is to blame for the war. He was irresponsible and did not respect that Hellen was already married. Also, he went and forced his problems on his people rather than dealing with it on his own. 

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Yes because people today are always worried about what they wear or how they look. Also people wont do certain things because of their reaction or what people will think.

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John's reaction to Jonathans post. Your response to women was very correct and I agree with you. Great job. Keep up the good work;)

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Achillles is not a hero. He did not deserve his hero title because he was a terrible person. He was very immature and he did not like when things did not go his way.

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Jonathan's Response to John's#1
I fully agree with your thought on how people will have different perspectives on if he is a hero or not. The Trojans think he was a villain but the Greeks thought he was a hero/bro. I think that is how it is in the real world like with President Trump.

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Achilles not only had the best reputation, but he depended on it the most. He was known as a brave and strong warrior that happened to be immortal. Even when he knew he was going to die in battle, he accepted this fate and went down in history as a legend.

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I think the Grecians won the fight fairly. It's war, you have to be smarter than your enemies and quicker than them too. Always be one step ahead and that's what the Grecians did. The Trojan Horse was a brilliant militarist strategy against the Trojan. It caught them off guard and destroyed their enemy in one swift fight. It was smart and cunning and that's how you win a war.

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Dylan Shupe #2 Reputation mattered back then but not in this day in age. Nowadays the people do not care to be known. The people only care about there social status online and nothing in the real world.

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Dylan Shupe #2 Reputation mattered back then but not in this day in age. Nowadays the people do not care to be known. The people only care about there social status online and nothing in the real world.

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Achilles is the one who I picked that cares about his reputation more. He would rather fight and die. Instead of being a coward and stay home and be nothing.

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I do not think Achilles deserved to die. I do not believe that anyone deserves to die. Sure, Achilles made some bad decisions but that was only because of his childhood and the events that made up his life. But, after his childhood he still did bad things and that is just life and the way that he was brought up sadly. He thought he was doing the right things when people thought otherwise.

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7.Josiah- I believe that the Grecians won fairly because when there is war, do whatever necessary to win. They made one of the smartest attack plans in history with the Trojan Horse and let everyone in to kill. It would only be unfair if it was one of the citizens of Troy who let them in. 

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7.Josiah- I believe that the Grecians won fairly because when there is war, do whatever necessary to win. They made one of the smartest attack plans in history with the Trojan Horse and let everyone in to kill. It would only be unfair if it was one of the citizens of Troy who let them in. 

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I agree with what other people are saying, I think he deserved to die. I think this because he killed someone and that is not right. If you kill someone you deserved to be killed.

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3. I think it was unfair for the gods/goddesses to interfere but I think it was right. They were making sure the prophecy pursued. on happening. For example, Athena helped Achilles kill Hector many times.

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Dylan Shupe #9 Achilles did not deserve his death. He has lots of power and with that he needs to be prepared for his destiny. He has killed many and that is karma but, that is the destiny of the people he has slain.

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Dylan Shupe #9 Achilles did not deserve his death. He has lots of power and with that he needs to be prepared for his destiny. He has killed many and that is karma but, that is the destiny of the people he has slain.

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Yes, reputation does matter to us today like it did to the Greeks. I can tell because the warriors wanted to go to war and earn glory, and not go home and be called a coward. I think this because no one wants to be called a coward.

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4. Josiah- Hector was most dependent on his reputation. He knew that he was going to slaughtered by Achilles and he was basically immortal, but he still went to fight him. He was going to die in honor, and he knew about it.

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4. Josiah- Hector was most dependent on his reputation. He knew that he was going to slaughtered by Achilles and he was basically immortal, but he still went to fight him. He was going to die in honor, and he knew about it.

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Achilles had cared about his reputation more than anyone else. Only because before he was making his decision to fight hector. he thought if he did not fight he would be a coward but still live, and everyone would make fun of him. but if he did fight he knew he would die, but would have been a legend and went down in history.

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I think your reputation stills matters as much as it does today as it did in yesteryears.  Like with doctors their reputation matters so much to them because it could cost them their jobs, They're very nervous to take on high-risk cases that could end in death of the patient. A lot of the times the patient will never get treatment until someone gives in out of pity. They will just pass the patient around all in the stakes of theirs and the hospital's reputation.

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jace #1 : Achilles was a great warrior and a true hero for his Greek brothers and his Gods. He had accomplished many war victories even though he knew one day he would die in battle. Because Achilles fought in battle when he knew he would die makes him a hero.

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jace #1 : Achilles was a great warrior and a true hero for his Greek brothers and his Gods. He had accomplished many war victories even though he knew one day he would die in battle. Because Achilles fought in battle when he knew he would die makes him a hero.

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The blame for this war was Paris. he stole Helen and ran away with him. She was the most prettiest women you could see and that's why he took her and started a big war.

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I think that Achilles thought of his reputation the most because of the fact that he had immorality everywhere except his ankles. If I were Achilles I would be more confident because nobody really thinks of shooting at someone ankles unless they knew that my ankles were invincible. Anyways, Achilles was the most self conscious of himself.

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I don't think that Achilles deserved death. Nobody deserves to die. Death just happens and that's okay. Yes, Achilles killed hundreds of people and karma catches up to you in the end but he didn't deserve to die.

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2. Josiah- Reputation today definitely matters, not as much as back then, but it still matters. Back then, people would die for their reputation but now people wont even do a silly prank to keep their reputation to impress someone special or a higher power. Reputation is not even close to what it was but it is still important.

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2. Josiah- Reputation today definitely matters, not as much as back then, but it still matters. Back then, people would die for their reputation but now people wont even do a silly prank to keep their reputation to impress someone special or a higher power. Reputation is not even close to what it was but it is still important.

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jace #9: Achilles didn't deserve his death. He was a great warrior and was obedient to Zeus. Its a shame that the prophecy was put on Achilles. 

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jace #9: Achilles didn't deserve his death. He was a great warrior and was obedient to Zeus. Its a shame that the prophecy was put on Achilles. 

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Reputation is something we still look at today. Everyone wants a pat on the back, or to be praised by there peers. Everyone wants to be remembered as someone amazing, like Achilles. This day in time it still matters. We all have a little hubris.

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A women's role in this poem was seen as the people that comfort the men. They don't have any other role other than loving their husband and taking care of the kids. They didn't make any big impacts to the actual story line.

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The women seemed to care aout fashion and themselves. They weren't very involved. They also cared for the men. For example Hectors wife cared for him.

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Lance #2: No reputation doesn't matter today as much. Back then they were willing to die for glory. Now people don't really care what people think about them.

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#2. Our reputation in today's day in age does not matter as much as it did back in Ancient Greece. For example, when Achilles and Hector were about to fight, Hector did not want to look cowardly, so he ended up fighting Achilles. In conclusion, reputation in Ancient Greece was more important than nowadays.

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#4 tackett- King Amendon cared about his reputation the most. I feel this way because he went out to Achillies and got his son. He didn't have to go he could of sent someone instead to get him.

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I think king Achilles cared about his reputation .Because he go to fight instead of going home

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Dylan Shupe #3 Gods and Goddess should interfere with human activities. In the humans POV, they will not notice if the gods and goddesses have interfered. They determine the destiny of humans and without them the world would be very different.

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Dylan Shupe #3 Gods and Goddess should interfere with human activities. In the humans POV, they will not notice if the gods and goddesses have interfered. They determine the destiny of humans and without them the world would be very different.

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I think that Achillies cared about this reputation the most. I think he cared more because he fought someone just to keep a good reputation.

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Achillies cared more about himself because he talked about fleeing vs fighting. If he flew then he would live but be a coward. If he fought he would die but be a hero.

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jace # 10: Aphrodite is to blame for this war. She caused the snowball effect with the relationship between Trojans and Greeks. If she had never promised Paris, Helen then the war wouldn't have happened.

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jace # 10: Aphrodite is to blame for this war. She caused the snowball effect with the relationship between Trojans and Greeks. If she had never promised Paris, Helen then the war wouldn't have happened.

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Achilles may have been a strong hero but he did not seem to better himself until the end of the story. Achilles seems to have anger issues and he does not know how to handle situations. Achilles' life will live on as he won the fight against Hector but with the problems he had to go through he ha to be convinced to do.

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Achilles did not deserve his death. He was a great fighter. He was helping the Greeks fight Troy for stealing someone else's Wife. He should have at least been killed by a god or great hero. In stead he was killed by the Wife Stealer himself.

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I think Paris was at fault when it comes to the start of the war. He took a bribe from a goddess and a women that's not even his wife. He should have judged the competition fairly, then none of this would of happened.

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It is not fair because immortals are interferring with mortals. The gods will alwys get what they want and they can be multiple people therefor not making it fair. When Athena took for as Hector's brother it wasn't fair.

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2. No, our reputation isn't important as much as it was in ancient Greece. In the ancient Greece, people would rather die than come back home a coward. For example, if I came home with a bad grade "my reputation" would be bad and I would be less respected. I think the people in ancient Greece wanted to be remembered forever, but today there is more competition with all of the humans on the world so many gave up.

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The role of women in The Iliad is one of submission. Chryseis and Breseis were spoils of war. Agamemnon saw them as nothing more than trophies. Helen was the willing prize for Paris. Queen Hecuba and Hector's Wife, Andromica, were reduced to the crying widow and the heartbroken mother. They weren't fleshed out like the men in the story. They were just static, flat background characters for the story to use for a couple of paragraphs then forget they existed at all.

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Joel#2 Yes reputation matters today because it reflects who you are today and people judge you for what you do and who you are.So say your playing in football game and you get a flag on you. You start cussing on field other parents, coaches, teachers think you got bad attitude and bad reputation because you don't have enough class.  

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Joel#2 Yes reputation matters today because it reflects who you are today and people judge you for what you do and who you are.So say your playing in football game and you get a flag on you. You start cussing on field other parents, coaches, teachers think you got bad attitude and bad reputation because you don't have enough class.  

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Paris is the reason for the war. He stole Helan who was already married. After taking her the Spartans got the Greek's army to join them in taking over Troy to get his wife back. After Hector killed Helan's husband. Then they were just fighting for their land and army.

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Yes, reputation matters to us today because the way society is people have to make sure that they look good to everyone else. people in ancient Greece wanted to be perfect, and that's the same as people today. for instance celebrities make sure their appearance perfect. and in ancient Greece the gods and goddesses' always looked presentable.

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jace #4: Achilles cared more about his reputation then anyone else. In the Iliad he struggled with decision making because of how people might think about him after the fact. He chose to still go out and fight in battle although he Knew he would be slain in battle.

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jace #4: Achilles cared more about his reputation then anyone else. In the Iliad he struggled with decision making because of how people might think about him after the fact. He chose to still go out and fight in battle although he Knew he would be slain in battle.

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Yes it dos matter because today everyone has to have a good reputation to get jobs/ getting into schools. Back then Achilles was deciding between being a coward and living or dying but being a hero.

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Achilles cared more about his reputation. He doesn't have a reason to fight. Everyone else is fighting for a loved one. Achilles is fighting for his honor which shows that he only cares about his rep. He was told he was going to die but he still went for his honor / rep.

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Norika; Yes, the Grecians deserved to win because Troy was very irresponsible with their team.

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I don't think so Because god and goddesses can't take place in role well someone can play the gods roll but not god themselves can't roll that play

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All the women's roles in the Iliad were used for there looks most of the time. Their society for Hectors wife, Hecuba, Chrysies, Breseis, and Helen they cleaned and made food. Their viewed by their looks and how they acted.

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#7 tackett- No the grecians did not win the fight fairly. They gave what looked like a piece offering and hid in it and killed everyone. That was not the correct way to do it.

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#7 tackett- No the grecians did not win the fight fairly. They gave what looked like a piece offering and hid in it and killed everyone. That was not the correct way to do it.

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I think the Grecians won fairly because war is not a game, there are no rules, anything goes. Even if that means deceiving your opponent. The Grecians were smart in taking advantage of this situation. The Trojan horse is a perfect example of this. Go in enemy territory without anyone knowing and get the job done.

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I think that reputation is still a big deal today. People go out there way to make people notice them. A lot of people do things just to keep a good reputation.

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jace #2 : Reputation in our day and age compared to in ancient Greece does not matter as much. In ancient Greece reputation was everything to people and affected how they acted in war and in everyday interactions.

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jace #2 : Reputation in our day and age compared to in ancient Greece does not matter as much. In ancient Greece reputation was everything to people and affected how they acted in war and in everyday interactions.

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I think that Athena is ultimately to blame for the whole Trojan War. She was the one that offered Helen as a prize for Paris if he did her bidding. She is the one that cheered on Achilles fighting an killing in the name if Greece to get Helen back from Troy. She's like the trickster in the story. Doing stuff that favors her and not anyone else. She ultimately got the people of Troy killed all for a golden apple.

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#7 Thanasi; I believe that the Grecians did win fairly. They outsmarted their opponent and slit their throats while they slept. They avoided casualties by hiding in the horse saving more lives. 

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#7 Thanasi; I believe that the Grecians did win fairly. They outsmarted their opponent and slit their throats while they slept. They avoided casualties by hiding in the horse saving more lives. 

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Nyah; I think that the Grecians did not treat Troy fairly. The Grecians approached Troy with the use of the Trojan horse while Troy had finished celebrating. Troy was out of energy and from a movie that I saw they were all sleeping or relaxing. When the Grecians approached them it was very unfair they were not prepared.

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No because he did not respect the dead. He also made King Priam pay for his sons body back. Although he is a hero in a  different way by helping his people win the war.

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3. Josiah- I believe that gods and goddesses interfering with human life is right because without them, it would be pure chaos. When the gods interfered with the war, they saved thousands of lives in many different ways. They all tried their best and did an amazing job in tricking killers and slaying mass killers. The gods were very important back then and set the tone for the whole war.

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3. Josiah- I believe that gods and goddesses interfering with human life is right because without them, it would be pure chaos. When the gods interfered with the war, they saved thousands of lives in many different ways. They all tried their best and did an amazing job in tricking killers and slaying mass killers. The gods were very important back then and set the tone for the whole war.

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#1. Yes, I consider Achilles is a hero. In the text, it explains that Achilles shows compassion by giving Hector's body to King Priam. Achilles may not have respected Hector's wishes, but he was, after all, loyal to the King of Greece. Therefore, I believe that Achilles is a hero.

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Yes he is considered a hero to some people and not to others. He's a hero because he slayed Hector and he's not a hero because he slayed him. People will have different views on him.

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I think the Greeks won the war fairly. They used a smart tactic to get into the Trojan base with very low casualties. All is fair in war. The Trojans should have been smarter and noticed it was a trap.

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Dylan shupe #1 I believe Achilles is not a hero. He has not committed any heroic deeds. Achilles is only fighting for the glory. After his fight with Hector he disrespected his death by dragging his body behind his horse.

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Dylan shupe #1 I believe Achilles is not a hero. He has not committed any heroic deeds. Achilles is only fighting for the glory. After his fight with Hector he disrespected his death by dragging his body behind his horse.

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1. Yes, I think Achilles is a hero. He is very strong and brave. Even though he disrespected Hector's body, he will do anything for what he think is right.

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#1. Achilles is a merciless warrior who slays many in battle and disrespects Hector by not honoring his last wishes and desecrating his body. However, he is loyal to the King of Greece and shows compassion in giving King Priam Hector’s body. Can we consider him a true “hero”? Why/ why not? 

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#1. Achilles is a merciless warrior who slays many in battle and disrespects Hector by not honoring his last wishes and desecrating his body. However, he is loyal to the King of Greece and shows compassion in giving King Priam Hector’s body. Can we consider him a true “hero”? Why/ why not? 

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#2. Does reputation matter to us today as much as it mattered to the ancient Greeks? (Think about an example you can use to prove your point.) How can you tell? Why do you think this is? 

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#2. Does reputation matter to us today as much as it mattered to the ancient Greeks? (Think about an example you can use to prove your point.) How can you tell? Why do you think this is? 

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#3. Often, the gods/goddesses interfered in human activities. Athena, Zeus, Apollo, and Hermes all play a role in The Iliad. Do you think this is right or not? Why? 

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#3. Often, the gods/goddesses interfered in human activities. Athena, Zeus, Apollo, and Hermes all play a role in The Iliad. Do you think this is right or not? Why? 

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#4. Who cared more about his reputation—King Agamemnon, Achilles, or Hector? How can you tell? 

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#4. Who cared more about his reputation—King Agamemnon, Achilles, or Hector? How can you tell? 

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#5. What is the role of women in The Iliad? Consider Hector’s wife, Queen Hecuba, Chryseis, Breseis, and Helen. What place do they serve in society? How are they viewed by men? 

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#5. What is the role of women in The Iliad? Consider Hector’s wife, Queen Hecuba, Chryseis, Breseis, and Helen. What place do they serve in society? How are they viewed by men? 

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#6. Why might filial piety have been so strong in ancient Greece? Why was it important that sons especially honor their fathers and ancestors? 

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#6. Why might filial piety have been so strong in ancient Greece? Why was it important that sons especially honor their fathers and ancestors? 

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#7. Do you think that the Grecians won the fight with Troy “fairly”? Why/ why not? 

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#7. Do you think that the Grecians won the fight with Troy “fairly”? Why/ why not? 

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#8. Why did Homer describe the gods as people—dishonest and disagreeable—instead of perfect beings? What purpose did this serve for the Greek people? 

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#8. Why did Homer describe the gods as people—dishonest and disagreeable—instead of perfect beings? What purpose did this serve for the Greek people? 

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#9. Some might say that Achilles deserved his death. Do you think this is true? Why/ why not? 

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#9. Some might say that Achilles deserved his death. Do you think this is true? Why/ why not? 