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When Victor created the monster, he thinks of him as a beautiful creation, while simultaneously using harsh words to describe its appearance. Mary Shelley contrasts the similarities and differences between Victor with his creation and God and Adam. Like Victor, God thinks of his creation (Adam) as “good”. But, despite Adams sin of eating the forbidden fruit, God never speaks harshly of him.

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Going off of what you said, Victoria, it seems as though Victor is incredibly selfish. There is a distinct difference between him and Justine. Justine confessed to something she didn’t even do solely because of honor and her fear of eternal hell. With Victor, he didn’t confess to his creation due to his pride and fear of consequences.

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I noticed that there is a strong representation of nature throughout the novel. Earlier in the novel, Shelley used nature (an unstoppable force), to illustrate Victors ambition to create his monster. Later on in the novel, it becomes clear that nature can have a positive and negative affect on Victor. He can feel at peace and content when exposed to the vision of nature, while it can also make him think of his creation and make him feel guilt for it.

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From the quote “the first hapless victims” I believe it reveals that the blame for the killings goes to the monster. I think Ethan’s point about looking at the monster as if he were a developing child is close, but a more justified lens might be to treat him as a serial killer. The monster understands life and death and can comprehend when he is taking a life and the damage it does, but he is still lacking mentally and clearly does not feel remorse for the deaths.

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Intercontinental tag a father son game

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Going back to the monster suffocating William there is a time limit for temporary insanity and I fell he had enough to think about his actions but still went through with it. Suffocating someone is not as fast as a gun shot so there was time for that angry and range to calm down. I think the monster knew what he was doing and I don’t think there is any excuse for his actions because he is not a animal his parts are from a human being maybe even more because of his brain evolving faster that a new born. Therefore I also think we can not compare him to a new born or a child.

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Adding off to what Samuel said about “Nature vs Nurture”, one could say that Frankenstein acted the way he did because he was abandoned by his “father” Victor. But in a way, it could further explain Frankenstein’s characterization. Just like a developing child, he has no moral compass as he kills Victor’s brother but only knows so much from the environment around him.

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Speaking of killings, at the very end of chapter 8 Victor says," William and Justine, the first hapless victims to my unhallowed arts." which is foreshadowing more death to come.

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I think that in a way victor relates to god and satan in a way that when he was trying to make life in a not natural way nothing good comes out of that only bad and he regrets it which represents satan then when he leaves and goes into nature it starts to heal him and he’s happy and i think nature is representing god

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I think Victor getting sick with fever represents the theme balance of nature because he interrupted the balance of life by creating the monster and this result can be seen as his consequence

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The blood is solely on Victors hands. His quest to defy the laws of nature (death) led to his creation of the monster. The monster being created and being cast aside and not taught values by a parental figure.

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How can the monster value the life if all he knows is that this man, that isn't a very good one, gave him life. The monster doesn't necessarily know Victor's skill, so life and death could just be a simple topic in his eyes.

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From the brief conversation with frankenstein, the monster seems to have some intelligence, so can the murder be justified if he has some knowledge on human life?

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Victor’s entire being is a contradiction and just blatant lack of foresight. He does one thing when he says another and doesn’t accept the consequences of the reality his doings cause. narcissist vibes

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Victor sees himself as god and a creator with his creation of the monster to be as adam. The monster in the novel is casted out like Lucifer. The creator (victor) refuses to acknowledge his creation while the monster only just wants to be loved by his technical father.

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Justine’s blood is on Frankensteins, as his refusal to admit he was the cause of his brothers death results in her execution.

Frankenstein tries to justify his inaction by thinking no one would ever believe him, but what really scares him is if they did. He doesn’t want to accept the responsibility of his brothers death, or of the monsters actions.

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The monster and satan are also alike due to the fact that they are both excluded from human life and are envious towards their endurance with happiness

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i believe victor correlates with satan from paradise lost due to the fact that satan is an archangel punished for his desire towards “forbidden knowledge.” much like satan, victor also has a taste for forbidden knowledge due to his experimentation of all these monsters.

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One thing I found in the book was that every time thunder or a storm was shown in the book something major happened like in the beginning the lightning strike he saw made him fall in love with science then he uses electricity to create Frankenstein then when he returns home he sees his monster when a lightning strike lit up the sky

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going off of what kayleigh said, i feel like if he were to tell people it would all backfire on him, and that’s if they would even believe him. it backfiring would be circling back to irony dealing with the reason he created this being was to gain power, not losing it by admitting he messed up.

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Going off of what Mossa said, I also think that it's nature that kind of brings him to sanity, Nature is restorative

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The theme of nurture vs nature in the novel is shown through Victor’s further abandonment of the monster that he spent so much time creating. Victor casts aside his creation because of his unwillingness to accept the consequences of his actions

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In addition to what Naomi said, The Monster in the beginning of his life was smiling and he wasn’t evil but when Victor abandoned him and shunned him because of his looks he retaliated and this represents the theme of revenge. This theme also appears in paradise lost. Victor represents GOD and the monster represents Satan.

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Going off of what Lacee said about Victor ignoring the fact that he knew that death was his fault and letting an innocent person suffer the consequences, I believe this is a greater example of what we saw earlier in Frankenstein’s personality with wanting control but being unwilling to truly take responsibility for his actions.

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Going off what Lacee said, Victor's whole character so far is based off him running away from his problems. He had to leave when his mom passed, he wouldn't talk to his family, he ran away from his creation, and he still didn't stand up to defend Justine. It's going to be interesting to see if his character develops later on.

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In addition to what Lacee was saying about the way Frankenstein treats his creation, quite ironic since he was raised by loving parents & his needs and wants were always met as a child.

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I think victor can relate to satan from
Paradise lost in the way that they both gave up something for the present that effected their whole future and they grow to regret it

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Similarly how when Mariam abusive husband dies so does her insecurities

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Similarly how when Mariam abusive husband dies so does her insecurities

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The fact that Frankenstein has pure rage and hate for the being he created to the point where his first reaction is to wanna hit it upside the head, despite spending literal years of research to create it is so ironic. just a general statement