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And then explain why you think he's right...

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IF YOU DO NOT BUY IT (or not fully), POST IN PINK!

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IF YOU DO NOT BUY IT (or not fully), POST IN PINK!

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And then explain why you think he's wrong, or even just off-base....

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Public Education varies in the United States. If the government valued education more then welfare in the public education system it would do more to homogenize education. While we do have common core we don't find it enough.

Gian-Paolo von Ruden
Bo Douglass Bramer
Sherry Caroline Valle
Zinafiorella Avilez

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Our group felt that education still produces actual education and has welfare as an add-on. So schools are still meant to educate kids as the main goal. To add welfare comes from outside of school too, and not strictly from school.

Group members: Derek Wong, Lechen Li, Susan Lee

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We do buy it. Education should be considered welfare, because it offers public assistance. Although the education part should not be considered welfare. Schools offer free meals, which for most low income students is the only guaranteed meal each day.

James Sears
Natalie Sarkisyan
Myha Bui
Brandon Rivera

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We agree that education should be considered welfare because high schools offer many free resources such as free and reduced lunch to students in need; besides, the government provides grants and financial aids for many local students to cover tuition as well.

Group members: Cuiyao Zeng; Zetian Ni; Ashley Arellano; Benjamin Everett Zahalka

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We agree because the government provides free education for everyone but it doesn't guarantee a quality education.

Jocelyn Dondiego-Alonso
Giselle Perez
Veronica Ruiz Ortega
Alexis Luu

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- We believe that public education is one of the main sources of welfare within the United States because it offers a lot of different programs for students attending these schools. Some examples would be: free and reduced lunches, free after school programs, financial aid and scholarships to prestigious institutions (higher education).

Stephanie Saquiche
Alexies Garcia
Nancy Martin Del Campo
Qinwan He

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Our group thinks education should be considered more about welfare than actual education. Going to school allows students to get resources they will not get if they don't go to school. Also, schools are good for poor students. It allows them to have access to get free technology and nutritious food.

Xiangqian Yu, Crystal Soojung Lee, Josely Paulina Murillo, Chengxi Li

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Education in itself is a form welfare, it is helping the well being of our society by educating our youth and setting our future. up for success.
Bryson Clark, Jesus Hernandez, Evelyn Su, Michelle Szeto

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Our group does not fully agree with the statement because we definitely see the fact that public schooling allows for students to have a space to receive some sort of education and stay away from more negative activities. But we also feel that there are also some barriers that may stand in the way for those who are in lower economic standing. For those who don't have access to a vast amount of resources or great education, they may fall prey to giving into outsider opinions of them. Then we also have some schools who have a lot of resources, but with districts much more concerned about test scores and rankings than about truly preparing students to enter society.

-Angel Franco, Haofeng Shen, Yeseul Lim

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We buy Katz's argument that education should be considered welfare and in part, has been about welfare because it offers students assistance in terms of free lunch, afterschool programs, school necessities (scholarships, grants), etc. And many of these aspects are mainly offered in low-income communities.
- sabrina, jaejin, madison s

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Some schools focus more on academics while other schools actually provide that welfare element that contributes to social mobility. Schools focus on providing education and are academic based, but can lack the social mobility/welfare element that Katz is arguing for. Therefore, it is not as provocative as he argues for and not ALL schools have been more about welfare than actual education.

Aaliyah Eslava-Deandra
Yensa Ngoc Tran

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We think education should be considered welfare, as it is provided by the government to support people. But there is a problem that the quality of education is hard to be ensured. The balance of education should be controlled better.

Members:
Yuhuai Huang
Tianyu Feng
Nathan Han
Boya Liu

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We do not buy it since education is already accessible for everybody and welfare is for those who need help or poverty. Welfare should be benefiting those who cannot afford it or do not have the necessary resources available in their area.

Kendrick Pham
Danielle May Cruz
Zheyu Wu

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Diana Esparza
Jianian Li
Jiayue Liu
Peifeng Wang

We agree that Education should be considered welfare because it’s supposed to be public and easy to get in for everyone.

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We agree that education can be considered welfare. We believe this because K-12 public education is free for everyone. However, not every student is guaranteed to succeed because the quality of education varies. Public is also considered welfare because it eases the burden of caregivers as it provides services to their children such as free lunch and free tutoring.

Brian Nguyen
Harry Zhang
Li-Yu Ho

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Public education has been the largest source of welfare in the United States because of its continuous effort to support the basic and educational needs of communities. This is most evident in low-income communities because schools provide reduced lunch, test waivers, and merit scholarships to low-income students. This public attempt seeks  to improve students academic performance.

Marissa Garcia
Jefferey Lee Chea
Sifan Wang
Kristy Lau

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Education as Welfare (Question #1) (room 15)

Our group buys it, education provides after-school programs and various opportunities to ensure food security and safety, but, education is not equal all around which means that services are not distributed equally.

Nicole Janella Alberto
Stephanie Park
Beatrice White
Seonghyun Ahn

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Our Group do buy it. Education is welfare because the government provides education equally to everyone. However, when we think about the quality of the education, some schools do not educate students properly. People have access to free education and there are different services that schools provide too. So, we think the public education is more welfare than actual education.

Beatrice Oh
Ashley Minji Kwon
Ningze Xia

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The way the question is worded makes it seem as though this argument is made to present a false equivalency between school and welfare. We as students also have a different perspective of it considering attending and don't see it as a literal form of welfare. Welfare is a form of financial assistance, and those of lower-income don't receive much of it. An example would be a middle-class family sending their child to a lower-income school, where they would not perform well despite the financial standing the student has.

Group: Neil Chen, Jasmine Foo, Astou Niane, Nieves Prieto

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Our group believes that when it comes to the public education in the United States, we are in a way stuck in the middle because we see that education is important here in the U.S., but we also see how schools have been more about welfare as schools do also help students become good citizens for society. With that being said, we just wanted to make note that welfare is very important for schools as schools depend on welfare for financial assistance to be able to provide students the resources they need to get a good education.

Natalie Orozco-Poblano
Tammy Vuong
Xinyi Li
Jiayi Li (Cindy)

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We agree that education has been a large source of welfare. For instance, public schools offers various opportunities for children such as after school programs, free tutoring, lunch, and many financial aid resources.

Alejandra Guerrero
Jennie Maldonado
Viridiana Alvarado

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We believe that education can be referred as  welfare because "welfare state" refers to a collection of programs designed to assure  economic security to all citizens by guaranteeing the necessities of life.  Education is free and available to everyone. It's necessary in everyone's growth.

Yueyue Li
Frida Karina Remero Figueroa
Maiyu Hu

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We think welfare means creating fairness. But it actually creates invisible inequality, which goes against the goal.
Group member: Tania Michelle Ramirez Anthony Gutierez Moreno Youhan Zhou

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To some extent we do agree that education is welfare. Katz explains how schools are used to deliver benefits that are much similar to that of welfare programs. However, this might not be the case for all schools. It does fits by securing specific social services for students but it can be seen as something that is an addition to providing an education for students rather than that being its main focus.

Tayla Crenshaw
Alexandria Dahcke
Chenxing Lu
Khine Thu

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Public education gets money from the government to provide free education for students. It is difficult for some students because the quality of education can vary. It is good for low-income families because the children are receiving free education and with getting an education can change their future by having a successful career.

Issac Chang
Briana Chau
Sangjun Kim
Jason Yu

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Education is Welfare
Public education in the U.S., like welfare, has been used as aid to help groups of people from both privileged and underprivileged communities. It can help foster social mobility and potentially lower crime/poverty rates. But just like most welfare systems in America, this particular system comes with its disparities.

Ariel A. Aviles
Laura Moreno
Ying Wang
Fangze Qian

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We believe that it is welfare because of the programs that are offered such as after-school programs or  Financial aid. Education is beneficial because it helps students who may be struggling because it provides foods.
Fusi Fifita
Michael Alexzander
Mariana Cruz
Zida Mathew Wang

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Education is welfare because it offers people numerous economic opportunities and financial aid programs. In addition, it provides many students with food and health services. Schools are often a major provider of food for students which is especially important for those who come from lower income families who may not always have sufficient means to provide for their children.

Viridiana Hernandez, Paola Alejandra Becerra, Audrey Co, Mohammad Amirkhalili

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I personally feel that education is welfare in the sense that it is providing everyone with accessibility to an education and to learn. Along with that, it also is providing many assistance programs to students who attend such as free and reduced lunch, financial assistance, etc.

Bianca Yanez

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I believe that education is welfare because there are many programs that provide resources for students. For example, there are scholarship and financial aid opportunities for high school students. The financial support shows that the government focuses on providing necessities towards US citizens. Additionally, students are provided with free or reduced lunch programs which show economic support and government help for families.

Jessica Kim

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I think education is welfare because education provides all people with the base of knowledge necessary for their future life. It provides learning tools and skills that can be implemented in day to day life, and lead to success. Public education is available to all, and will eventually help with economic security for all (as our public schools improve in equality).
Sophie Gedney

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I agree that education should be considered welfare because the government uses it to provide for the people who need welfare the most. Education also provides Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Programs.

Augustin Santiesteban

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I believe that education is welfare because of the funding that is given by the government to aid students throughout their K-12 education. In some circumstances, public education offers free services such as free lunch, healthcare, and tutoring to students. Although some schools have the privilege to receive quality education, others do not due to low funds or lack of resources that the government does not offer.

-Brittany Alvarez

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The reason I say education is welfare is because schools give out so much to their students including meals, mental wellness services and illegibility to receive funds. Many people say education is an investment and that's exactly right, whether it's out of your own pocket or out of the government's, resources become available because of welfare.
-Valeria Lopez

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I believe the idea of proper education is welfare because it provides students access with the ability to strengthen their knowledge. There are also resources like reduced/free lunch and after school programs that many students enjoy. This is also an advantage for students who have a bad home life.

Emily Arreola

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I believe that public education is domestic welfare in the United States. Because this welfare system has helped many families who cannot afford tuition fees. Tuition waivers allow more and more people to go to school and learn in different fields. And benefits will also provide free lunch and so on. Reduced stress for many families.
Zihan Qiu

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I think public education should not be treat as a welfare, it it something necessary and basic for citizens. Besides that I have a simple argument that basic education is one of deterministic parameters to keep a society stable.
LUN WANG

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I agree because public education such as 12-year compulsory education in China represents one of the main sources of Welfare. However, not everyone can utilize it effectively.
Lan Duo (Because of the late enrollment)