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Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov (May 14, 2061)

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Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov (May 14, 2061)

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Jerrodd, Jerrodine, Jerodette I and II (Jerrodd’s wife and their two daughters)

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Jerrodd, Jerrodine, Jerodette I and II (Jerrodd’s wife and their two daughters)

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1.Characters have real human names (like we do now). Their conversation is a little silly like the normal conversations we have now. They also worry about the “end” of the Sun, so it looks like humans never run out of things to worry about.

2.The multivac is similar to computers we have today (more similar compared to other ACs in the work). People use multivac in a similar fashion to ChatGPT, although multivac seems more advanced (capable of reasoning and evolving itself)

Social impacts: a lot of jobs must have been taken over by multivac. People don’t need to work anymore. Multivac could have made the world a better place by exploting the Sun’s energy (e.g. ending poverty, eliminating inequalities that stem from genetic differences). But some groups might use multivac for themselves only which lead to discrimination and greater inequalities.

3.Different interest groups / nations might try to take over the control of multivac which leads to WW3 and end of humanity :(

People may fear multivac is out of their control and try to stop further developments / regulate.

Or, if people support multivac more, it may develop much faster (since it’s evolving on itself already).

Hyein’s personal note: my favourite short story is The Egg by Andy Weir (https://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html), which has a similar theme to this story. Weir said he loves Asimov’s works so it could have been influenced by this story! It was interesting to find out how my fav story is related to a work we read in class.

Sophiya’s personal note: She found the phase in which body and mind separates and only mind travels through the space most interesting!

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양승연, 박준호, 이준영

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양승연, 박준호, 이준영

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1. How are the characters described? In what ways are they similar to or different from humans as we know them today?

1. Man merged into one collective mind; they have different bodies yet share a single mind.

2. We share a form of collective mind through the internet, yet are not completely as one.

2. What kind of technology does this era possess? What are the social impacts of such technology?

1. Human bodies and the automatons that cared for them are indestructible and immortal.

2. "Man" gained the ability to merge stars through the energy of white dwarfs, although inefficient.

3. The Cosmic AC no longer existed in space, existing in hyperspace without need for space nor energy. It had evolved continuously, claiming even the hardest questions were "not insoluble".

3. In what other ways could this phase evolve? What makes you think so?

1. The AC advances regardless of human development; therefore the possibility of the AC evolving differently is low.

2. There would be more room for imagination of the unsolved questions of the AC. People would have more diversified thoughts, as they would give different solutions to the same question.

3. The human mind would become distinguishable, contrary to in the book, where the human mind becomes indistinguishable.

4. The book assumes everyone would strive for immortality, even if it means becoming submerged in to a collective mind.

5. Due to the ability to utilize hyperspace, people lose the idea of distance, which could be related to how their minds become merged.

6. Because of the development of the AC, it could have determined how humanity may have developed.

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Q1:

-facial expressions + emotions like us

-name format

-forming a party

-drinking cocktails... betting five dollars... (regular human activity) + sober mouth... throbbing heads (human problems)

-> author trying to display them as similar to us (contemporary humans?)

Q2:

-only know input&output -> similar to black box model?

-social impacts

-energy-related / engineering / school-related jobs disappearing

-schools can still teach how to utilize Multivac? ("...they had at least a vague notion of the general plan of relays and circuits") but not much ("Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting")

-larger gap between rich and poor (ones who make inputs / ones who work following the outputs) OR money can lose its value cause everything can be converted from the infinite energy

Q3:

-infinite energy -> terraforming other planets / beginning of space opera?

-can't get out of the solar system yet, still need advancement in other areas. still lots of problem unsolved by AC. AC has limited data

-Luddite Movement II

-Self-questioning AC? Self-inputting AC?

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1. Similarity can be the curiosity that Dee Sub Wun has. Both humans and Dee Sub Wun strive to find answers to questions. Another similarity is that humans and characters use technology to find answers (sub-universality for seeking answers). The difference is that there is no physicality in the story.

2. Universal AC, technology to build own stars (very last line); socioeconomic factors, divisions, lack of identity, lack of regulation.

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유다현, 조영환, 최대식, 신경석

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유다현, 조영환, 최대식, 신경석

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1. Similarities and differences of characters

similarities: They still use English, worry about the S.Q’s environment. (The problem of human population >> current resources)

differences: they rely completely on AI, unafraid of it.

2. They can harness the power of the galaxy

The working class might disappear, while political involvement increases

3. Might not feel need to live-> suicide by joining minds?

-An alternative theory The population may not change:

1. no necessity felt in creating children to survive ones DNA, once one’s immortal

2. people might feel guilt accelerating the universes entropy and stop making children

3. Not everyone would want to live forever. might decide to stop living one day.

+part 2와 part4를 연결하는 중간 연결고리- 마음으로 연결되자는 화제가 처음 대두되는 부분이다.

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1. Depiction of characters

1. Differences

1. Bodyless; soulless

2. Physical form is not something that we are used to

3. Names are not what we're used to; are parallel to the scientific development that they have - we just don't understand them or seem disconnected from that reality

2. Similarities

1. They do have a body and a physical form, suggests a method of repopulation

2. Human nature of curiosity and sociable interactions

3. Interaction between people far from ourselves (intercontinental -> intergalactic)

2. Technology

1. Method of interaction with a hyperspace

2. Method of long-range communcation

3. Supermaterial AC; able to answer most of humanity's questions, is able to guide the human mind through space

4. Leaves room for creativity for people; bulk of calculations and computations are left for the AC to perform

3. Methods of evolution of this phase

1. Dependence on the AC

2. Reference of immortality suggests that it would have been difficult to change

3. Idea of useless physical immortality pushes story towards the unified Man

Some side discussions:

"One by one Man fused with AC... in a manner that was somehow not a loss but a gain."

Is personal sacrifice a necessity for societal development?

"But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer..."

Suggestive that there needs to be a recipient of personal sacrifice for it to mean something

Reconciliation of science and religion with the final quote

Physical immortality was superfluous

Connection of individuals; method of interaction between individuals suggests that each person need not exist indefinitely for their ideas to persist

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Stage 5 - Jihu, Seonhoo, Kyungbin, Woojung

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Stage 5 - Jihu, Seonhoo, Kyungbin, Woojung

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In this stage the human's mentality is connected to a computer, and I feel like that the similarity with the current people comes from the fact that we have the same question.

In the current phase all of mankind has united into a collective mind, even after all this progress we can't break the fundamental laws of physics.

I'm curious about how the fusion into another computer works.

The story begins with the humans in control of the energy and then ends with a machine god. I think this part is very impressive because the computer found a way to inverse entropy and finally become god.

A detail I noticed was while the story talks about the second law of thermodynamics; i.e. as time passes entropy increases. However the process of superluminal travel involves turning back in time so I'm surprised they couldn't just solve the entropy problem.

Maybe while creating the interstellar travel they could have solved the problem of entropy, but in this case they couldn't.

I'm actually curious about what the AC can actually do.

I think given the stuff that the ACs could do - help design the shuttles and harvest energy from

Does the AC keep existing after the "Let there be light!"?

I think the AC will keep existing.

I think it's a reset, all of humanity will go through all the processes the story illustrated.

I think it's a midpoint of the two, it's implied that the AC exists on the hyperspace plane

Do you think there can be more advancements?

No, this is the endpoint of all technology.

Would there be a possibility where humans find a way to reverse entropy?

If humans find a way to reverse entropy, would that be a more evolved state than the last phase?

I feel like AC resembles ChatGPT. Can artificial intelligence reach the levels of ACs the story lists?

I think not to the level of some ACs, but I think it will evolve to the point where it can hold a conversation as if it were a real person.

One major difference between the AC and ChatGPT is that ChatGPT references while AC creates its own answers.

I don't think they're that different because the AC collects everything in terms of data. If ChatGPT

If the AC doesn't talk before we ask questions i think it's pretty similar to ChatGPT because they don't talk unless asked.

Do you think that the AC has its own ego?

I think the story implies that the AC might have its own ego.

I think they have an ego, something so advanced has to have one.

I think the AC is too obedient to have an ego. More closer to a machine than an artificial intelligence?

I think when Man asks if it will collect more data to answer the final question, I think the replies resemble artificial intelligence.

If they didn't ask the question, what would have happened?

I think the universe might have ended.

I think the AC is quite passive.

The AC stands for analogue computer, while in the real world there are digital and maybe quantum computers.

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1. People still move around to live. They move to another planet X-23. They are still emotional and value material possessions. For example, parents thinks about their kids. Also, the husband feels good about the fact that his AC compares pretty well against the planet-level AC.

2. 1) Using power of sun to get energy. Moving through the hyperspace without time lapse. 2) People doesn't worry about energy since sun already provides an ample amount. People might start comparing themselves about which planets they traveled to, or maybe inter-planet war.

3. People may start moving to new places as a small units and the united and well-functional societies are not formed.

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1. Difference :

moving btw space / being confident about stars running down(Jerrodd)

humanity living all over space(distributed) / "analog computer" in ancient

English

Similarity :

they have physical body / same form of families/ worried about limited resources(but diff. scale) -> also an difference / print out things from machines (in cellufilm, not paper)

2. move btw planets -> more divided society

-> will be a more individual society

-> polarization(poor ppl might have to live in planets with bad condition)

people can live in stars(diff. environment)

3. more species(such as aliens) / selection of species / end of space / definition of home might change

4. Additional

-> how do ppl decide the planet they will live in? Do they buy those? it may lead to more polarization(planets where rich ppl live and planets where poor ppl live, leads to separation)

-> why are the names all similar?

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1. They are pretty similar to the people today. They are a little bit more advanced than our human race.

2. They posses interplanetary travel, every type of energy that we utilize today, and the ability to harness the energy of the entire sun, aka, a Dyson sphere, an advanced AI supercomputer. Such technology seems to be helping humans think more deeply, like having a conversation with the AI and being able to see things from a new perspective. Interplanetary travels and harvesting new energy will impact the society as they transform into type 1 civilization. It will resolve most of the inequalities in energy distribution and narrow the gap between the rich and poor.

3. Even if we go interplanetary, the jump between that and interstellar is too huge. The time frame of two scales differ by the power of four. But there are other ideas. Since the population can increase indefinitely with the increase in energy consumption, the plans of the human race should be centered on resolving the problems that occur when the population increases.

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나승균, 전재원, 박현성, 김호진

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나승균, 전재원, 박현성, 김호진

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1.

weird name

immortal

Galactic council worker

2.

3D map

They colonized the whole galaxy

intergalactic travel

immortality -> exponential population growth

no war

no entertainment

They just became transcendent

AC is entertainment

AC is secretly controlling human mind(to find sufficient data)

transistor ->molecular valve -> sub-mesons (computer is still large tho)

Galactic bluetooth connection

Galactic AC (in hyperspace)

sun power unit

yet insufficient data

3.

what if resource becomes insufficient:

- intergalactic war -> entropy skyrockets -> we all die

- birth control -> birth is controlled too well -> Everyone goes sterile

- Galactic Council controls all the energy -> pay to live

some crazy computer scientist decided to perform SQL injection on galactic AC -> bug happens -> we all die