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Let's first assess Katz. Is he right? Consider what you READ and your OWN experiences in schools.

Feel free to post why or why not you below to why you answered one way or another!

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Do you buy Katz’s argument that education should be considered welfare, and that schools have been more about welfare than actual education (i.e., social mobility)? 

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Yes, I agree with his argument: schools are welfare, and the largest source of it.

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Yes, but I do not think they are the *largest* source of it.

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No, I don't agree and schools do some things, but they are not welfare.

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Regardless of if you think the U.S. system is or is not the largest source of welfare and actually agree with Katz's full argument, more broadly, do you think education, and our schools specifically, should be welfare? Why or why not?

Put more simply, do you think that it is a productive "part" of school or something that is a problematic "bug" of our school system? Tell us why!

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IF YOU THINK A POSITIVE THING THAT SCHOOLS ARE WELFARE, POST IN BLUE!

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IF YOU THINK A POSITIVE THING THAT SCHOOLS ARE WELFARE, POST IN BLUE!

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And explain why...

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IF YOU THINK IT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR SCHOOLS TO BE WELFARE, POST IN YELLOW!

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IF YOU THINK IT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR SCHOOLS TO BE WELFARE, POST IN YELLOW!

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And explain why...

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We believe that schools should be considered welfare. Stigma is really the only thing holding it back from being considered as such. Schools often provide lunch and aid to kids which is a form of direct welfare, in addition to an education which could be considered welfare in a different sense.

Benjamin Leet

Emilio Abella

Archie Yang

Sent Wang

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Megan Hall, Olivia Roesch, Jessica Xie, Jia Guo

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Megan Hall, Olivia Roesch, Jessica Xie, Jia Guo

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We think that having welfare be a part of school environments is a good thing, but it is problematic because that seems to be the only option for children to have their physiological and safety needs met. What happens when children are on summer break? What happens on weekends? Children are not students full time, 24/7. They deserve welfare that is separated from their educational pursuits. Children are not just products of the education system. They are humans who need these supports outside of school as well. Because of this, we believe that welfare should take place both inside AND outside of schools.

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The reason we think its problematic is because it creates bigger disparities amongst impoverished and wealthy schools. Wealthier schools who have more funding are going to have better welfare and vice versa. This creates an even bigger gap of opportunity amongst wealth classes.

Group: Michael Serrano, Isabella Lopez-Rojas. David Vu, Mick Liu

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Alison Lin, Sarah Smeltzer, Avril Felipe, Emely Chang

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Alison Lin, Sarah Smeltzer, Avril Felipe, Emely Chang

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We think that school could be welfare, but should not be all about it, because there are just programs being accessible to students who need it. And schools aren’t necessarily welfare, they are connectors between families and benefits, because when families need them, they come to school and ask for resources and choices of programs.

Positives welfare in school:

some school includes free lunches

Chrome books/laptops borrowed

Some schools offer learning assistants

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We believe it is a positive thing that schools are welfare because it reaches a larger audience of students. Along with the well-being of children and investing in their future. Resources would be provided to children that could inspire their academics.

Group: Olivia Moreno, Charlotte Huang, Jackie Uribe Morales, Camila Becerra

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We agreed that it can be mostly positive because it gives people the opportunity to have education no matter their circumstances. It provides free food for students, counseling, and a better environment to surround themselves in, creating better citizens, acquaintances and colleagues. - Kathian Velasquez, Pyrsofonia Politis, Phoebe Chung, Ryan Cheng, Ciara Gomez

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Vanessa Guntalilib, Alie Dubbs, Tiffany Rao, Hannah Nguyen, Aracely Solis

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Vanessa Guntalilib, Alie Dubbs, Tiffany Rao, Hannah Nguyen, Aracely Solis

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We agree that schools are the largest source of welfare, but only for a limited time and for limited people. Once children reach a certain age, other programs are supposed to support them but we don't really have knowledge of the systems in place for that.

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Ella Schade, Elina Kumar, Victoria Lehman, Zach Doyle

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Ella Schade, Elina Kumar, Victoria Lehman, Zach Doyle

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We think that education is a big source of welfare, it is meant to help students, especially those who come from disadvantaged backgrounds. We do think that our schools should be welfare because the education system has become such a huge part of American culture. Even though there are other sources of welfare for children, these government funded programs aren't enough, which leaves schools in charge of this. Things like free and reduced lunch programs, after school programs, and the access to technology that is given to these students play a huge role in how schools are able to give so much to their community.

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Nancy Licea, Amaanah Ali, Madison Tran, Landyn Mercer, Evelyn Vargas-Martinez

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Nancy Licea, Amaanah Ali, Madison Tran, Landyn Mercer, Evelyn Vargas-Martinez

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Schools are often that safe space and considered sanctuaries especially for students in predominant low income areas. If students aren't being provided with the resources at home, it makes it more difficult to succeed and achieve higher education. For example, some parents don't know about resources and therefore schools should be providing this knowledge and support to students. An education doesn't always necessarily mean less crime and social mobility, but it does provide a variety of opportunities through programs. Overall, although schools are not providing that welfare aspect, they should.

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Luisa, Elyana barajas, Hannah To, Erin Grace Padilla 

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Luisa, Elyana barajas, Hannah To, Erin Grace Padilla 

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At the beginning, We also though having education as welfare was as good ideas because we want everyone to have an education. Yet we believe that having education under welfare can cause more conflict that will more negatively effect both welfare and education. We also took into consideration that welfare mainly is giving after people apply and qualify for the services, which is were we question whether education would only be provided to certain students and would conflict with the idea of a public school and be more seen as magnet or charter schools.

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We believe that it can be problematic for schools to be welfare. 

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We believe that it can be problematic for schools to be welfare. 

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Our group was neutral for whether schools are welfare, but ultimately decided on it being negative. Our reasoning falls with the idea that education being welfare doesn't provide our students with the necessary attention that they deserve. The education system can be built similarly as other welfare systems but it needs the assistance of other programs, or else it will be stretched too thin, like it is now.

Julissa Restrepo, Estrella Cruz, Sophia Tamashiro, Zhoeebelle Fadrigon

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Bianca Hernandez , Esmeralda Gallegos Olvera, Yiwen Hu, Molly Liu, and Dianna Dominguez

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Bianca Hernandez , Esmeralda Gallegos Olvera, Yiwen Hu, Molly Liu, and Dianna Dominguez

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We believe that public education being welfare is a good thing because it provides many resources to students (e.g., access to technology, food, and a safe environment) across the country. Public education, being free in itself, is a welfare product since it provides free education and programs to students from several backgrounds. Since we lack equitable opportunities for many groups, we must have institutions like public education to ensure that the playing field is equal to all. Being able to provide these resources and be considered a "welfare" is not a negative thing, rather, it highlights the essential role that public education has in our society.

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Vanessa Guntalilib, Alie Dubbs, Tiffany Rao, Hannah Nguyen, Aracely Solis

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Vanessa Guntalilib, Alie Dubbs, Tiffany Rao, Hannah Nguyen, Aracely Solis

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Schooling is and should be a productive form of welfare that should support children's education and wellbeing. However, we must be cautious about how we provide this support. The term "welfare" carries negative connotations, so we should still prioritize children's wellbeing especially since school attendance is not just encouraged but legally enforced.

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We think that Welfare being provided in schools is positive based on current circumstances being faced in the United States, but in a perfect World, there would not be a need for Welfare. If access to free healthcare was provided as well as food security, the need for schools to be a form of welfare would not be necessary. Schools as welfare is positive right now, but it should not be the biggest form of welfare.

Group: Samantha Spiegler, Aalia Kher, Chelsie Martinez, Caleb Anthony Lubiano, Diego Dollero, Glory Perez