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Different dialects and different subsections of language. 

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Different dialects and different subsections of language. 

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I also agree and as to answer your question, you're just spitting all the facts today ma'am

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If the singular of teeth is tooth, and the singular of geese is goose, then the singular of sheep should be shoop.

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If the singular of teeth is tooth, and the singular of geese is goose, then the singular of sheep should be shoop.

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The english language always uses context to determine the right, or better sounding thing, to use. For example, their, there, and they're. Along with the pronunciation of the (th-EE) and the (th-UH).

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Mi mama es bonita, is feminine while, mi abuelo es bonito is masculine. 

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Mi mama es bonita, is feminine while, mi abuelo es bonito is masculine. 

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Cause writing, talk, and reading are THREE SEPARATE THINGS THAT'S WHY

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Cause writing, talk, and reading are THREE SEPARATE THINGS THAT'S WHY

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It is on fire I guess, and English can't be controlled.

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It is on fire I guess, and English can't be controlled.

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For a summary of my opinion on most topics regarding english terms, phrases, and punctuation, it is mostly dependent on context.

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Which one are you talking about, Savannah

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Which one are you talking about, Savannah

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moderate side track but has anyone else noticed the globe in the back of the classroom is flashing red periodically? because i can't help but think of it as the world being hurt by this discussion

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moderate side track but has anyone else noticed the globe in the back of the classroom is flashing red periodically? because i can't help but think of it as the world being hurt by this discussion

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Also, going back to the dicussion with a governing power deciding on language, I don't think it should exist. Obviously there should be a dictionary that tells you the basics but a government that decides on language feels very restrictive in my opinion.

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No because Megan was just spitting the most beautifully written factual statement

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That is the whole reason words are "banished" because they are over used without reason.

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That is the whole reason words are "banished" because they are over used without reason.

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I agree with Rae

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Punctuation is important.  "I like cooking, friends, and my family," is NOT the same thing as "I like cooking my family and friends."

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Punctuation is important.  "I like cooking, friends, and my family," is NOT the same thing as "I like cooking my family and friends."

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Adding onto the Can I/May I discussion, as our society and its english progresses, the sayings will more than likely become the same thing and people will begin to say them interchangeably without someone interjecting with "I don't know, CAN YOU??"

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Hey punctuation in specific situations is occurring. 

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Hey punctuation in specific situations is occurring. 

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May I would be in a professional environment, and Can I would be in any other informal circumstance depending on the person and how they naturally speak.

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May I would be in a professional environment, and Can I would be in any other informal circumstance depending on the person and how they naturally speak.

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culture = language in my opinion

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I feel like that's why dates can help with dictionary definitions.  "This term was used in the 16 century," 

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I feel like that's why dates can help with dictionary definitions.  "This term was used in the 16 century," 

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As to what Lex asked, I think both work for different situations.

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As to what Lex asked, I think both work for different situations.

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So that's why we alter the dictionary so slay can exist!!!!

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So that's why we alter the dictionary so slay can exist!!!!

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i think its polite to say may i because that's how i was thought as a kid

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i think its polite to say may i because that's how i was thought as a kid

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which one is more important to y'all can i or may i?

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which one is more important to y'all can i or may i?

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Megan can I and may I is along with your broken English.

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Megan can I and may I is along with your broken English.

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That is true, Emma.  They are taught to say "may," but we use "can" sometimes, which may confuse them, but since English is already simple enough, I feel like it would be easy to catch on.

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That is true, Emma.  They are taught to say "may," but we use "can" sometimes, which may confuse them, but since English is already simple enough, I feel like it would be easy to catch on.

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May I make a sandwich, can I definitely can do it, cause i have the ability 

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May I make a sandwich, can I definitely can do it, cause i have the ability 

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He just drank water from two different containers.  I'm sorry, I had to throw that out there

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He just drank water from two different containers.  I'm sorry, I had to throw that out there

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I agree with Carson, whether the sentence is formally acceptable or not, one should be able to use the restroom without someone else giving them consent.

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I agree with Carson, whether the sentence is formally acceptable or not, one should be able to use the restroom without someone else giving them consent.

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i think personally i shouldn't have to ask permission to relieve myself

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i think personally i shouldn't have to ask permission to relieve myself

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I think there is a difference in talking and writing, your not going to say "eggs comma bread comma and toilet paper."

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I think there is a difference in talking and writing, your not going to say "eggs comma bread comma and toilet paper."

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He used the oxford comma.

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true Megan i tend to speak my sentences out to see if my comma placement is correct

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YOU CANNOT USE THE RESTROOM WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION!!!

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YOU CANNOT USE THE RESTROOM WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION!!!

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When you talk, you use the comma in a sense, that is true!

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When you talk, you use the comma in a sense, that is true!

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What Emma was saying about the government controlling our English systems I feel like wouldn't be fair since everyone in different parts of the country has different dialects and communicates differently.

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What Emma was saying about the government controlling our English systems I feel like wouldn't be fair since everyone in different parts of the country has different dialects and communicates differently.

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I feel like , are important for real world and text because you want people to better understand you 

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I feel like , are important for real world and text because you want people to better understand you 

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that moment when "your contributions here should be academic, formal, and sincere"

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that moment when "your contributions here should be academic, formal, and sincere"

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Should we have government system on grammar in the English language?
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do y'all think that we should have seprite dictionaries for different generations? 

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do y'all think that we should have seprite dictionaries for different generations? 

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Okay pause because grant just said the commas is after the and which isn't correct.

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Okay pause because grant just said the commas is after the and which isn't correct.

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Savannah, your nails are so loud on your keyboard haha

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Savannah, your nails are so loud on your keyboard haha

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I saw this one video that was like if a man discovers something it's amazing if a women discovered something by creation it was all like witch craft

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I saw this one video that was like if a man discovers something it's amazing if a women discovered something by creation it was all like witch craft

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popular writers are probably the ones that determine the rules of grammar

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popular writers are probably the ones that determine the rules of grammar

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I want to go back to just grunting and pointing at things

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I want to go back to just grunting and pointing at things

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Yeah, who DOES decide what goes in grammar?

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Yeah, who DOES decide what goes in grammar?

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carson what was your  second question that we started with?

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carson what was your  second question that we started with?

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It is a choice because there are needs for lists and combinations

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It is a choice because there are needs for lists and combinations

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okay so basically I think we should evaluate and discuss anthonys questions

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okay so basically I think we should evaluate and discuss anthonys questions

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Slang is needed because it shows the way different people talk in different areas.

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Slang I agree is in all languages and it changes so quickly. That if we were to add it to the dictionary it would make the dictionary extremely long and it also fades over time and we probably wont be using the same slang terms that we use now later. So there is not really a reason to add it to the formal dictionary. However dictionary like Urban Dictionary have been created for slang terms that spread on the internet and through social media.

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We cant stop slang from happening because its like a wildfire, but translating over from the internet or a dictionary is hard for other languages because we are meant to communicate but it comes with a level of complexity so taking dictionary shortcuts wont always work in my oppinion, If you are to learn slang you would have to learn it from someone who uses it?

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What do you all think of prescriptive/descriptive debates? Personally, I think that prescriptive language can be a little too harsh on the flow of how language evolves, but I do acknowledge that rules of English are important to learn (as well as modern usage/slang)

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Language is linear and I do agree that the old English language should be updated to fit the century we are in. Adding new definitions and words to fit more modern times is a good idea but there is a difference between adding new words and adding slang. Most slang is informal but some slang can be added to sentences and still sound formal.

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Slang in all languages makes it much harder to learn that language because of the different definitions, rather than the textbook definition.

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off of megan there are so many definitive and reflexive (and about 100 other types) but shes talking about classroom english and french. French has its own slang using a lot of combining words so i feel like sub-definitions could help foreigners and even people who speak english in a first tongue. But slang changes way too often but it should still be added depending on demographics

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I agree, we can't completely get rid of some words, however if there is a mass surge in the use of that word in the population, it should be added as a sub definition. I do agree with Megan's point though with the fact that people trying to learn English may have a hard time learning all the new slang terms.

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I definitely agree that new words/language should be added if there is a surge in usage, but I'm not too sure about slang being formal or helpful English language (especially in the example of foreigners learning English)

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language is obligated to grow and we cant detach from our stems of latin and other stems a dictionary has to update but not to a common "lingo" because a lot of words tend to lose meaning or fade over time. Words cant be added if someone asks but if there is a huge upbringing of it in a large population over time (long time) while taking dialect in hand (ie aave)

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Adding onto the Can I/May I discussion, as our society and its language progresses, the saying will more than likely become the same thing and people will begin to say them interchangeably without someone interjecting with "I don't know, CAN YOU??"

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There is a big issues of those who refuse to adapt to more common speaking terms, due to believe that they know how the English should be spoken. An example could be an simple mistake of saying me and her, instead of her and I, could cause someone to assume you are an complete idiot and discount everything you're going to say.

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To add off of my previous post, it is important to realize that the English and languages we speak are in a prescriptive manner, however this serves very little use when used in the real world as speaking in a casual environment in a formal manner is extremely awkward and the sense to conform to descriptiveness is quickly felt by the speaker. Also to advocate for prescriptivism is essentially advocating for outdated racist thought as the avocation for prescriptivism essentially is the avocation for the disregard of cultural values. Descriptivism lets culture shine, as previously mentioned, and is a core part in a culture, therefore to show support for descriptivism is to advocate for the disregard of culture.

-Formality vs Cultural Values 1 was written by me as well

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People hold onto their own dialects based on how they spoke growing up, and most would not want to leave how they've always spoken to use a more prescriptive English. It's also a cultural thing, where if everyone in a culture has always spoken a certain way, it is a part of who they are and their culture. Trying to switch that to be more prescriptivist can take away from a culture's traditions in a way.

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I think as cultures keep growing, prescriptivism has held less power than descriptivism due to the control prescriptivism has had over many people. Descriptivism gives people more power to express themselves now than ever before.

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English is much more open compared to languages such as spanish where there isn't a masculine or feminine conformity. Where English is much more open and masculine and feminine aren't at the root or basis of our speaking and language as a whole. Which is where English is much more different then other languages.

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English language should be different for two different class of people, due to those in higher power should be maintain the proper word usage to express new plans and thoughts. While more basic citizens should be allowed to stick to more common English to due to not having such a speaking power of importance governmental choices and decisions.

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Even though it is easier to understand descriptive English, prescriptive English is considered the correct way to speak. This is a result of race and class hierarchy. society has altered Grammar to their own preference. this can be seen in social media and texting. In order to save time, which fits their language to their preference, words and phrases have been shortened to acronyms. The modern society has become so fast paced, that language and grammar has altered in order to keep up with the fast paced society. It conteracts how people should speak in a prescriptive way, when most of sociey speaks in descriptive way. Even though Descriptive is more practical, but descriptive is still considered more correct. Society should focus more on practicality rather than what is right and wrong.

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Prescriptivism helps people learn the formal way of a language, but it also limits people from things in their life. Descriptivism is being spread more in social media more due to a greater connection of people around the world together.

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The English language, more specifically descriptive language, is being spread more quickly and commonly due to the use and commonality of social media. This is due to social media being so casual people use more descriptive writing which has allowed for the creation of new words and terms within out language.

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While formality may bring people to one easy to learn version of a language, by attempting to conform people to one version all cultural sense is loss. This is due to the variety of dialects throughout a region and by trying to promote the easiest to learn and understand, the sense of uniqueness and culture in a region is lost. Sometimes the easiest thing to do is not the best thing to do. Regional dialect is a prime example in how to best show a culture, in how they speak and what they call things, as well as how the region has evolved over time. Therefore to take all these regions and dialects with their own histories and to dumb it down to an easier to learn version strips the region of all its uniqueness and character.

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I found the point on social media and young voices interesting. With younger people being opened up to the world and to the older generations, there's also an opening of bias. An example of this bias is between the baby boom generation and even the millennial generation against younger people. A lot of times, using a short and quick way of communication to spread information bothers the older generation who were used to a mainly prescriptive language. The worries about prescriptive versus descriptive writings are almost heightened because the older generation believes that the younger generation isn't "smart enough" to "speak properly".

I also think the class and colonization argument is really important. A lot of times we just forget about how this all came to be. Especially in America, which has so many cultures and dialects mixing together, it's important to not choose just one that's completely proper and correct. (in example, the words ain't, yall, etc.). It's almost impossible to point fingers and be able to choose a single good dialect to push on others and use normally. It's important to allow people to continue to connect to their roots and cultures, especially in their writing and their opinions.

I believe that it's still important to use a more general form of English that isn't stuck up with rules and regulations so that you can connect to more people. There are still instances where prescriptive writing is insanely important, but there's also a time that people's dialect and usage of the English language need to be used. Prescriptivism can often make writing harder on someone. If changing the phrasing of sentences and discussions causes the point to become vague, and the writing becomes stale.

In a sort of complaining way, it also makes reading become boring. Everyone uses prescriptive phrases and rules, so reading different things becomes a lot more stale and frustrating. It often feels like there's no individuality or creativity from the author, and it makes me not look at the point. It's simply annoying.

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The casual nature of social media promotes modern descriptivism among youth. Isabel has a great question about the way that the descriptivism vs. prescriptivism debate is used to silence young voices, and social media could be a huge part of that topic. Social media is where most young voices are given a platform, and the way we communicate through it is very descriptive. Descriptive language tells a lot about the person using it-- their age, their culture, or their background. Descriptive language usage can be highly empowering, and is not inherently lesser simply because it is not prescriptive. Prescriptivism is stagnant. It is relatively unchanging, and therefore isn't good to study from a linguistic point of view. This is one of the reasons why prescriptivism is so discouraged by linguists as well.

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Our English language has became more simple and less intellectual with one of the causes being social media. People now base their daily use of language because of this also. It was also pointed out that we wouldn't be as prescriptive if it wasn't for colonization. Everybody's dialect can be seen as improper to other people than when it's used by someone of a different ethnic background.

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Society says they are accepting, but if you do something they don't like, you get cancelled or bashed. That's the same with society when it comes to language and writing.

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Different classes speak different ways because the higher classes could afford better education than those of the lower class with less access to education. 

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Different classes speak different ways because the higher classes could afford better education than those of the lower class with less access to education. 