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Exactly and he had Adnans stuff so it was easy to blame on him

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Thats a good point because it explains why Jay was so nervous and kept changing his story

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Jay might have been selling the guy drugs once he got out of prison

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I think ron might have done it.

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Exactly everything isn't backed up and everyone can't remember what happened

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This murder case overall is hard to solve.

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i Also agree with grant

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I agree with Grant too

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I agree with grant

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I think it was a 🤬 dial by jay because if Jay had his phone he probably would have no reason to make that call.

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Do you guys think the call was a 🤬-dial or an actual call he made?

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And why did they not arrest jay for accessory, and then he keeps it a secret until the body is found.

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Seems like jay was acting weird when he called the police, and of course he denied that he called the cops.

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Adnan is sus

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Maybe they didn't have enough evidence so they had to make Adnan seem like a bad person

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Most prosecutors don't scream when a witness doesn't say what they want even though its the truth.

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I agree because why would they want to make Adnan seem creepy even if he's not

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Seems fishy

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It seems like the prosecutor is being bias about not saying bad things about Adnan.

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what a gangster

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maybe its don

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I think Jay did it but I don't think they will come to a final conclusion because Adnan is still in jail 7 years after this podcast was made.

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I think Jay did it and Adnan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think their is enough evidence for Adnan to get out but I think Jay did it.

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Exactly the time that she was killed three people saw him in the library. I think Adnan was just at the wrong places at the wrong time

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Even if Adnan was with Jay that night, he was seen at school by 3 people at the time hae was murdered.

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Yea if you see a dea body your not just gonna forget it you would always would remember it

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They made it seem like he would make up gossip and spread it, and then 20 years later he says he had never seen a dead body, so I think he just made it up at the time and just dosent remember. Most people would not forget seeing a dead body.

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no because when other people were asked about him they gave him a bad "that guy" type feel as the lady speaking said. And she also said "he was a gossip person  and he cant keep a secret".

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It seems like no one would rely on him to keep a secret so I don't think anyone told him anything

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Do you think this "Neighbor Boy" is a reliable witness.

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I agree with arianna because if you listen to it there is yelling in the background

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I think he was just confused by her question at first because he asked her what she meant

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Maybe because she had clearly asked him somthing, and he paused, and asked if that was question.

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Do you think he is lying because when she started asking questions he starts to pause ans stutter

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Yeah, I still dont think he did it with the way he was raised, and their strict rules

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Yes because both of their parents were strict and im guessing that was his actually reaction

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Do you think that was actually his reaction when he found out Hae was missing.

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I think Adnan hung out with Jay and smoked but I dont think Adnan killed Hae.

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I think that jay isn't fully true because his memory probably not the best but he could also be lying

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He was with Jay all the time to smoke and hangout so it seemed normal to Adnan but Jay might have killed her and then hung out with him

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Why do you think Adnan would've been with Jay if Jays story isn't true since the calls lineup with it

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Also I dont think the story jay told about how  Adnan killed Hae is true because he said that Adnan said Hae deserved it but Adnan wasn't mad about the breakup he didnt hate hae after they broke up so how did Hae deserved it

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I feel like Jay had made the calls but had some way to make the number not show

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Why do you think all these calls could've been happening if what Jay is saying isn't true?

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I agree with Chase but in some cars the back seat can fold down and he could slide her in through the car

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i agree with Chase, your killing someone in day light and not one person seen anything weird happening

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You also have to think for someone to strangle someone in midday then why did people see this.

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Everything has to go so perfect and everything never goes perfect and you have to move the body that would take a while

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Theres no way that is way to tight of a time

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So there was no phone booth, and Adnan would not have had time to get there and strangle her. Jay does not make any sense.

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I looked it up and it said business security cameras started in the 1970s

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probably not just because this is 20 years later so if there were the tape would probably be gone.

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Would you think they would try to find out if there were security cameras in the parking lot.

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I agree with Grant I don't think you can really trust Jay because his story's just keep changing and changing

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Everyime the cops are asking those kind of questions, he probably just makes up another lie.

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jay also tells a different story every time

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Jay also seems really caught off guard with the detective/cops questions

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I mean is is just straight obvious that jay did it, there is all this fishy evidence against jay and only jays story aginst adnan

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Maybe Jay thought something was going on

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Maybe Jay really did it and turned his story on Adnan because he was friends with his girlfriend

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That's what im saying, you dont just tell someone who is barley your friend that you killed someone, most people would not trust someone when they were not that close.

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It seems weird that Jay happened to have the shovels with him when he claims he had no idea about hae until he was with Adnan

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Yeah especially since the shovels are jays. Also I find it weird that Jay is saying Adnan told him everything even though they're not that close. You would think Adnan would tell someone he actually trusts if he did something like that.

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Do you guys think that jay did it due to the story just told

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I think Jay did it and he is telling Jenn to tell the cops a story. Hes doing everything a killer would do, hes changing his clothes, and wiping down the shovel.

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the shovels

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Jay said Adnan showed Jay the body, so how would jay just happen to have them with him

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I have no idea I just know both Jay and the girls storys are changing to much

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Yeah I woud say jay is one of the main suspects for the police right know do  to the stories changing to much

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Why do you guys think that after she talked to Jay her story changed?

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Jays stories have been really inconsistent and changing to much.

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1. What inconsistencies are revealed in this episode?
2. Consider that the stories of Jay, Adnan, and Jenn have all changed.  What might cause an innocent person to change his story?

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yeah

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Him and Jay are definite suspects

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There are things that lead towards him but dont at the same time.

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I think hes definitely someone to suspect for sure

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yes

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Do you guys think Mr.S did it?

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Why was he driving if he had been drinking

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If he had to go that bad he probally would have gone before he left his house, or right of the road

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why would you go

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Who goes in the woods, he had not left his house long before that.

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Yeah max right

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I think he killed her and then went back and reported it

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fr fr^^

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Yeah and it's weird he supposedly just stopped right where the body was to pee

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he killed her

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Yes I think he could have killed her. Why would you go back 130 feet just to go pee

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He seems like a shady person, possibly.

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possibly because he went pretty far to just use the bathroom

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Do you think Mr.S has a chance of being the person who killed Hae?

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Why would he have gone over the log, seems fishy

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Here we go again another person with a broken story