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I agree with parker that Steve jobs speech was more effective to the audience because he gave life lessons and that nobody teaches you when you’re young You've got to find what you love.

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I agree with Raina that

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I do agree that Steve job's speech taught many important life lessons that could change your life but I think that Chavez's speech is more effective because it uses pathos, logos, ethos, and rhetorical questions.

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I agree because the factory workers had better working conditions, for example the factory workers had boarding houses to sleep in but the farm workers slept with rats.

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I agree because it makes me want to think about what I should do in life, and to follow my dreams, and to not give up.

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I agree because Steve Jobs is preparing the graduates for the world when they start to work so the graduates know that there will most likely be a challenge in life that they will have to overcome.

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I agree with Jadon because everything he talked about really connects to kids nowadays and this is a very important life lesson that people should know.

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I disagree because I think Chavez made a better speech. This can be proven because Jobs used personal stories that the students might not relate to, while Chavez used a broad story and facts and statistics that you didn't have to relate to to understand.

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I agree that steve jobs did better and he definitely taught people that you are not always going to win.

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I agree with Parker that Steve Job's speech was more effective because his audience was college graduates and me personally can connect to it more than I can to Chavez's speech.

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I agree with Lila that farm workers struggled more than the factory workers because they had to work long hours in the sun and get threatened by the growers everyday.

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I agree with Parker because Steve Job's talked about many important life lessons which was an effective way to express his feelings.

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While I do think that Steve jobs had a more personal speech and he taught things you can't always learn, Chavez's speech was more effective because he used almost every type of rhetoric.

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I agree that farm workers had it worse than the factory workers because the farm workers didn't only have bad wages, they also had bad homes that were so horrible that rats would gnaw on you feet as you were asleep. The factory workers on the other hand had boarding houses to live in and had decent wages.

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I severely disagree with Jadon because the farm workers had justice to fight for where as Steve Jobs' speech is talking to college students saying they could do anything they wanted, also there is the fact that not a lot of those students were not listening where as the farm workers listened to the rhetorical questions

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I agree with Raina, because people should not be discriminated by their color, everyone should be treated equally.

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I agree, I think that Steve Jobs lessons are really important in life to young kids because it's stuff that you will never learn going through all your years of school.

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I disagree, because while Steve jobs speech could change your life, Chavez's could change the world.

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I agree, I think that steve jobs did better. You made a good point when you said that he gave more life lessons.

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I agree with Lila that farm workers struggled more than factory workers because farm workers were treated poorly and wrong. I especially agree with the part where she talked about Rene Lopez and how it was horrible that he was killed because he supported the UFW.

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I agree because Steve jobs speech was an important interruption about how life really works. How life isn't easy and to keep trying.

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I agree with Lila because the working conditions for the factory workers were better than the farm workers

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I agree that Steve Jobs speech was more effective because he taught more life lessons.

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I agree with Parker because Steve jobs gave life lessons that they don't teach you in school.

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I agree that Jobs' speech did give good lessons but I think that Chavez's speech was more effective because of its use of Ethos, Pathos, Logos, and Rhetorical questions along with it using facts rather than personal stories as Jobs' does.

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I agree that Jobs' speech did give good lessons but I think that Chavez's speech was more effective because of its use of Ethos, Pathos, Logos, and Rhetorical questions along with it using facts rather than personal stories as Jobs' does.

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I agree with Raina that farmworkers struggle more because of their working conditions and how the government treated them.

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I agree with Parker, Steve Jobs speech encouraged students to do a job you love. This is something that no one teaches. I never thought about Jobs’s speech in this way.

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I also agree with Jadon because he also says that Steve jobs talks about life lessons, he talks about how Jobs said that not every day is promised so live it to the fullest.

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I agree because Farm workers lived in harsh conditions outside.

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I agree with parker that Steve Jobs speech was more effective because Steve Jobs talks about how your time is limited so you have to find something you love and go for it, don't waste your time doing something else that you don't like.

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I agree on some parts of the discussion, but over all I think Chavez had a much better speech than Steve jobs because I think Steve spoke too much about himself and not about the world.

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I agree on some parts of the discussion, but over all I think Chavez had a much better speech than Steve jobs because I think Steve spoke too much about himself and not about the world.

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I agree with Raina that farm workers struggled more than factory workers because they were discriminated and they way that the government treated them was wrong.

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I also agree with Jadon because Steve Job's speech is preparing the graduates for their future and what they should expect.

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I disagree. I think that Chavez's speech is more effective because Chavez is not talking about himself. He is talking about all the farmworkers that struggle. Steve Jobs is just talking about himself and his life story. Chavez has a reason to be speaking. He is speaking for the farm workers. For the workers that work day after day to feed their families. Chavez’s speech brings out more Pathos because of how many people he is taking about that are suffering.

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Steve Jobs’ speech had good life lessons but Chavez was more persuasive because he used more rhetoric than Jobs.

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I agree with Jadon because Steve Jobs talked about important life lessons.

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I agree with Lila because farm workers had to a lot more manual labor than factory worker's because they had machines do it for them.

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I agree with Lila because farm workers had to a lot more manual labor than factory worker's because they had machines do it for them.

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I agree with Raina's view on who struggled more because the farm workers were discriminated in a way that the factory workers were not.

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I agree that the main reason the Farm workers struggled more is because of the discrimination against them.

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I agree with Jadon because these are important life lessons everyone should know

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I agree that farm workers struggled more. They had to work out in the hot sun all day to feed their families. Children and adults worked. Factory workers were inside and there was an age limit. They weren’t working because they had no other choices, but because they wanted too. They had a choice while the farm workers did not.

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I agree with Lila because the government did not support the farm workers but they supported the growers who broke the law by not punishing them but by making them seek relief by the governor's appointees.

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I agree that farm workers had a hard time and may have had it worse but in your argument, there isn't much counterclaim or evidence about the factory workers conditions to prove your point.

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I agree with Lila because farm workers had to do their work outside no matter the weather

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I would also agree with Jadon because it does teach us important lessons about life. It helps us know what life really is.

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I agree with Lila because farm workers were treated poorly with the government treating them bad and there working conditions

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I never thought about the age difference between farm workers and factory workers. Which shows that farm workers struggled since when they were little kids.

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I agree with your argument and appreciate the evidence for the factory workers and how they were treated better.

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I like how you included factory workers so that readers could use juxtaposition and compare them easily.

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I agree with Jadon because it does state these life lessons that relate to what life is really about.

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I agree with Lila because the farm workers had to work outside in the heat for lots of hours. Plus the farmworkers being discriminated as well.

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I agree with Raina that the factory workers had better working condition's then the farm workers, and how the farm workers had so much discrimination against them.

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I disagree that Steve Jobs speech was more effective than Cesar Chavez' speech because Jobs speech used pathos and ethos where as Chavez used all the rhetoric very effectively

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I agree with Raina that farm workers had to live with harder conditions than the farm workers. Farm workers were forced to work starting at a young age, however, factory workers had a choice to work or not.

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I would also agree with Raina because the farm workers did have tougher working conditions. As said farmworkers had no choice but to work. Factory workers had a choice if they wanted too.

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I agree with Lila because I believe that farm workers struggles was indeed very harsh Lila has also brought Chavez's personal life and Rene Lopez's death because he supported the UFW. it was a very effective use of pathos logos and ethos.

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I think that Chavez' speech was better because he used pathos and ethos to show that you shouldn't give up on your dreams and you should work hard.

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I agree that farm workers struggled more than factory workers because the government didn't like them and so it was like them against the world. They had terrible working conditions and were mistreated.

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i agree with parker that steve jobs teaches important life lessons but i do not agree that he had the more effective speech because steve uses

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i agree with parker that steve jobs teaches important life lessons but i do not agree that he had the more effective speech because steve uses

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I agree with Lila that farm workers struggled more because they were outside so they had to work in whatever weather was out there. They also were mistreated and did not get a good pay for how much work and labor they went through.

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I agree with Jadon because I think that Job's speech really made an impact on so many people. He used real stories in his life to help other not make the same mistakes he made and how to grow from them. He gives life lesson that are very valuable.

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i disagree with jadon because i think chaves connects to more people becasue he uses examples of himself to prove his point  

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i disagree with jadon because i think chaves connects to more people becasue he uses examples of himself to prove his point  

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I think Parker made very good points on how Steve jobs is teaching the kids life lessons and that is very useful in life however I think Chavez used more rhetoric so I think Chavez's speech was more affective.

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Yes, Steve jobs teaches the kids very important life lessons but how do those life lessons make his speech more persuasive and effective.

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I agree with Lila that the farm workers struggled more and would like to add that the farm workers also faced racial discrimination outside of there terribly workplace.

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I agree because the factory workers didn't have the government against them as well, at the worst just their managers were horrible.

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I agree with Raina because she said how the farm workers were disliked by the government and how they were mistreated because of there color.

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I completely agree because Jobs talked about a lot of lessons that your often taught too late and are very helpful in life.

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I agree with Parker because yes, steve is teaching about stuff that do not learn normally. This is very helpful advice to the people.

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Yes, I agree with you Jaden because, steve jobs teaches you life lessons that you have not been thought. This is very important to the audience.

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I totally agree with you Lila, The farmworkers did struggle more and had the government was against them.

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I agree with you Raina, The farmworkers definitely struggled more and part for the reason was because of their color.

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I agree because our time is precious and you don’t want to waste your time on something you don’t like.

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I agree because farmworker were paid almost nothing, slept in the dirt with rats, were discriminated against and had no choice between working or not. Unlike factory workers who had a decent wages, slept in dorms, and could choice between working or not.

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I agree with Lila because the farmworkers did struggle more because unlike the factory workers, the farm workers were discriminated against, and threatened.

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I agree with Jadon because Steve Job's speech was inspiring and taught us that we need to enjoy our life and find what we love.

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I agree with Lila because it was harder for the farm workers and they were treated badly.

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I disagree with Parker because I think Chavez's speech was more effective. While I do agree that Steve Job's speech was put together really well. But with Chavez's rhetorical questions and use of pathos and logos his speech was more effective.

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I disagree with Jadon because there was more effectivenes in Chavez's speech. Teaching life lessons is important but Chavez was telling people about the racism and unfair treatments the farm workers went through and by doing so it made his message more powerful. With Chavez's use of rhetorical questions, use of rhetoric and how he set up his paragraphs he overall had a more effective speech.

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I agree with Lila because factory workers were not discriminated against and they got paid on time unlike farm workers. Another example on why farm workers had it worse was they had to do almost all of their work by hand and started working from a younger age to support their families.

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I agree with Raina because farm workers struggled a lot more socially and with their working conditions.

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I agree with Jadon that "You've got to find what you love. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle." because we need to enjoy our life and find what we love.