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We stand for:

Teaching universal secular values in education

Phasing out government funding for religious schools

Removing religious references from statutory oaths and pledges

Abolishing parliamentary prayers

Ending state support for religious institutions and personnel

Removal of tax advantages for religious institutions

We stand against:

Religious indoctrination of children

Religious attire worn in schools

Government support or endorsement of any religion

The "separation of church and state" is the essence of secularism. In view of Section 116 of Australia's constitution ("The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance ...") it is commonly believed that Australia is already a "secular state". This is a misconception. In 1981, the High Court determined that there is in fact no constitutional separation of church and state in Australia. Partly as a result, rather than being a secular state, Australia now more closely resembles a pluralistic theocracy, where numerous religions have been "established".

Despite this, however, there is nothing in the constitution that necessitates the legislative establishment of multiple religions, or that prevents the creation of a truly secular state. This is what the Secular Party proposes to achieve.

The trend of recent decades towards the effective state endorsement of multiple religions, if not reversed, will have adverse consequences for the future harmony of Australian society. Despite claims of tolerance, the religious concept of being "elect" or "chosen" is inherently divisive. This leads to problems on a global scale. The Secular Party asserts the superiority of universal value systems independent of any religion.

The Secular Party believes that Australia should lead the way in establishing a society free of sectarian strife. We need a global ethic based on universal moral principles.

"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." - Thomas Jefferson

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Teaching universal secular values in education Phasing out government funding for religious schools Removing religious references from statutory oaths and pledges Abolishing parliamentary prayers Ending state support for religious institutions and personnel Removal of tax advantages for religious institutions Religious indoctrination of children Religious attire worn in schools Government support or endorsement of any religion The "separation of church and state" is the essence of secularism.

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We stand for:

Teaching universal secular values in education

Phasing out government funding for religious schools

Removing religious references from statutory oaths and pledges

Abolishing parliamentary prayers

Ending state support for religious institutions and personnel

Removal of tax advantages for religious institutions

We stand against:

Religious indoctrination of children

Religious attire worn in schools

Government support or endorsement of any religion

The "separation of church and state" is the essence of secularism. In view of Section 116 of Australia's constitution ("The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance ...") it is commonly believed that Australia is already a "secular state". This is a misconception. In 1981, the High Court determined that there is in fact no constitutional separation of church and state in Australia. Partly as a result, rather than being a secular state, Australia now more closely resembles a pluralistic theocracy, where numerous religions have been "established".

Despite this, however, there is nothing in the constitution that necessitates the legislative establishment of multiple religions, or that prevents the creation of a truly secular state. This is what the Secular Party proposes to achieve.

The trend of recent decades towards the effective state endorsement of multiple religions, if not reversed, will have adverse consequences for the future harmony of Australian society. Despite claims of tolerance, the religious concept of being "elect" or "chosen" is inherently divisive. This leads to problems on a global scale. The Secular Party asserts the superiority of universal value systems independent of any religion.

The Secular Party believes that Australia should lead the way in establishing a society free of sectarian strife. We need a global ethic based on universal moral principles.

"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." - Thomas Jefferson

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Teaching universal secular values in education Phasing out government funding for religious schools Removing religious references from statutory oaths and pledges Abolishing parliamentary prayers Ending state support for religious institutions and personnel Removal of tax advantages for religious institutions Religious indoctrination of children Religious attire worn in schools Government support or endorsement of any religion The "separation of church and state" is the essence of secularism.

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The Separation of Church and State in Australia

Summary: Separation is the essence of secularism and it is already believed that Australia is a secular state.

Portia

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Australia's blurred separation between church and state

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Australia's blurred separation between church and state

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/29/australia-blurred-separation-church-state

SUMMARY: Constitutional ambiguity has allowed religion an excessive influence in schools in Australia

Izzy

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Summary:
The Australian Government provides financial support for religious communities.
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This suggests that there is a high connection between State and Religion as they both communicate and there is financial support between the two.

Brody Kindelan

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Secularism Is an important part of Australian culture and tradition.
http://web.b.ebscohost.com/pov/detail/detail?sid=69c6173c-d2c2-47ae-97d4-36295dbe5be2%40sessionmgr107&vid=0&hid=102&bdata=JnNpdGU9cG92LWF1cw%3d%3d#AN=96222887&db=apr
article explains how Australia has been secular since the start of time and also discusses the relevance of religion in politics.
Suggests that there is a low connection between religion and gov as religion should be seen as a side note for politics and should not come in the way of their work.
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This article was first presented at the "Separating Church and State" Conference in Melbourne, June 2006. The conference was supported by the Rationalist Society of Australia, the Australian National Secular Association and the Council of Australian Humanist Societies.
DOES God have a place in government? Are we seeing a change in the relationship between religion and politics in Australia? What relationship should exist between religious authorities and the government in a democratic, multicultural secular society such as Australia?

While these issues have always been with us, these are questions that have taken on an increased resonance in recent times. I will not go into the history of the constitutional issues surrounding church and state, nor the substantial taxation benefits that religious entities have access to. You will no doubt hear more on these matters from others who are speaking at this conference. What I would like to do is to highlight some of the ways in which religion and politics are already showing a greater entanglement within the federal political sphere.

Before going any further I would like to make it clear that to examine and even question the role of religion in politics is not an attack on the churches or on people of faith. The churches play an invaluable role in providing care to often neglected sectors of the community - particularly in an environment where the government fails to do so, such as refugees on temporary protection visas who are prohibited from earning money or accessing the public health system. And of course modem Australia's striving for tolerance and compassion requires respect for followers of all of the major world religions and atheists, unless we are to succumb to religious prejudice.

However, if the relationship between religion and politics is undergoing a transformation in Australia, then it is surely the responsibility of those involved in governing for all Australians to consider what is driving this transformation, what the implications might be and what shape this relationship should have.

Religion is perhaps more visible now in Australian politics than it has been for almost thirty years. There would seem to be a growing lobby from within the religious right whose overt mission is to exert influence over public policy making in Australia. For some time there has been a federal Parliamentary Christian Fellowship which meets during sitting weeks to read passages from the Bible and exchange views and personal anecdotes on how their faith is tested within politics.

It is an interdenominational membership (as long as you are Christian of course) which crosses party membership, there is no roll call at meetings and minutes are never taken. It is not easy to get the exact numbers but reports have it that the group draws on a regular pool of between 60 and 75. The total number of federal MPs and Senators is only 226, so it would seem that our federal Parliament at least has more than its fair share of committed Christians. This would certainly appear to be the case within the inner sanctum of the federal Cabinet.

The federal Health Minister and a devout Catholic, Tony Abbott, is on the record as saying that one of the significant, largely unacknowledged, phenomena of recent Australian politics is 'the Catholicisation of the Coalition'. As Abbott puts it, there are four 'pretty serious Catholics' sitting around the cabinet table: himself, the Defence Minister, Brendan Nelson, the Trade Minister, Mark Vaile, and the Workplace Relations Minister, Kevin Andrews. Abbott has said that: 'This is a cabinet which is conscious of our Christian heritage, many of whose members are fairly enthusiastic practising members of one or other faith.'

The federal Parliamentary Christian Fellowship organises regular prayer breakfasts - which are addressed by invited ministers and last year a Christian chaplain was appointed to the Parliament. In 1993 a Parliamentary Prayer Network was established for people to gather and pray in Parliament House. This group has a schools program which links Christian schools with members and Senators. And you can contact them if you are interested in upcoming elections - not their own but state and federal government elections. In 2005 the Parliamentary Prayer Network hosted a two-day conference in the great hall of Parliament House - a conference on the theme of 'Prayer, Nations and Government', which included church services. The guest speaker at that conference was Texan prophet Cindy Jacobs who believes that Christians must take over the world through its governments, exhorts Christians to train their children for martyrdom on the mission field in the final clash of civilizations and has prophesied that Australia will become a theocracy.[quote align="center" color="#999999"]"Christians must take over the world through its governments" [Cindy Jacobs, Texan prophet][/quote]

Only a few years earlier, supporters of greater freedom for Tibet, its culture and religion in particular, were refused permission to have the Dalai Lama speak in the same space.

There is also the shadowy Lyons Forum within the ranks of the Coalition MPs. The Lyons Forum doesn't proclaim itself a Christian group but has never rejected the tag 'ultra-conservative Christian faction' and certainly to the 40-50 or so conservatives who are members of the group, its primary role is to pursue the interests of 'families'. Religion is the subtext in its strong views against abortion, pornography and the recognition of same-sex relationships. This group was arguably at its hey-day in the 90s but was reportedly reformed in 2003 to reinvigorate its push for government policy in line with traditional Christian values.

And we must not forget that in recent decades, the delivery by religious organisations of services that were formerly the province of government agencies has increased substantially. The Commonwealth employment services, worth hundreds of millions of dollars, were contracted out to largely faith based organisations. Religious organisations run public hospitals and residential aged care and disability services.

Funding changes under the Howard Government have substantially increased taxpayer money for non-government schools, the majority of which are church based. In the past few years churches were actively encouraged to tender for contracts to provide counselling in custody disputes under the new Family Law Act; and earlier this year church run services were encouraged to bid for new government monies to provide pregnancy and abortion counselling services. And just last month Mr Costello was calling on the churches to become more involved in providing child care.

The prominence of religious based organisations in the provision of services, while arguably valuable, can be problematic. Delivery of social services can be effective and respectful of religious liberty; however religious provision can mean clients are denied services available elsewhere. The Catholic Church, for instance, will not conduct vasectomies, tubal ligation or abortions, though they arc legal and routine in other public hospitals. People in many parts of Australia are discriminated against by having no alternative hospital provider - Bendigo is a case in point.

Similarly, pregnancy counselling services run by religious-based organisations and receiving government funding provide false and misleading advice about abortion, or refuse to provide women with information about clinics and hospitals that provide terminations.

And of course we have seen a number of government appointments that have called into question the intersection of church and state. The ill-fated appointment of Archbishop Peter Hollingworth as Governor-General, at a time when abuse of children in church institutions was being hotly debated, and in the context of his inadequate role in responding to the problem, was contentious to say the least. Less attention was given to the subsequent appointment of Major-General Michael Jeffrey, but he did not hide his strong religious beliefs either. More recently the Government appointed as chairman of the new so-called Fair Pay Commission a man who declared that God would guide him in making minimum pay conditions.

Political leaders and would-be leaders are now speaking publicly about their religious faith and openly courting the devotees of the new evangelical churches. Australian National University historian Paul Pickering examined the first speeches of federal parliamentarians and found that while God was only mentioned once by the 1975 intake of coalition politicians, the 1996 Howard group gave 'the family' 134 mentions, along with numerous references to God and Christian principles. This suggests an increasing emphasis on talk of religiosity and family amongst politicians. One can only wonder what an analysis of the 2004 intake might show.

At the last federal election in the seat of Greenway, the New South Wales Liberal Party actually endorsed a member/employee of Hillsong, the largest Pentecostal church in the country, and successfully wrested the seat from the Australian Labor Party (ALP). Church members were active in the candidate's campaign and Hillsong "Emerge", a Hillsong offshoot whose facilities and programs range from medical centres and emergency relief services to drug and alcohol programs, personal development and recovery programs, received a $414,000 grant for crime prevention - a grant that was subsequently withdrawn after allegations that the organisation had deceived and manipulated an Aboriginal community to get the money. Hillsong also runs the no-doubt lucrative chain of Gloria Jean coffee shops with, we understand, largely volunteer labour.

The Liberal Member for Canning, Don Randall is reported to have launched his campaign at the Perth Christian Life Centre and to have said that people should vote for Mr Howard on the basis that he was a Christian, while Peter Costello made a pre-election visit to Hillsong. And of course the ultra conservative, religious-based, Family First Party won its first seat in the federal Senate at the last election and has already played a role in helping the Government pass some unpopular legislation.

As has been pointed out by a number of commentators and authors, the Government's talk of values appeals to conservative social attitudes on personal moral issues such as abortion, drug use and gay marriage, and cultivates support from religious groups. Brendan Nelson's comments that he would not oppose the theory of 'intelligent design' being taught in schools is a typical example of appealing to religious sensibilities, as is the 'values' in [or not in] schools debate.

We need to understand that pandering to religious sensibilities, the influence of the churches and the religious faith of parliamentarians is having a significant impact on public policy.[quote align="center" color="#999999"]pandering to religious sensibilities, the influence of the churches and the religious faith of parliamentarians is having a significant impact on public policy.[/quote]

The successful attack by, amongst others, Anglican Archbishop George Pell on Labor's promise to reduce Commonwealth funding to wealthy private schools during the last federal election shows that even the most embarrassing back-downs are possible.

The gay marriage ban legislation responded to the conservative religious lobby, and both major parties were prepared to turn their backs on a significant number of gay and lesbian voters even though the rest of the population is not affected in any material sense by the restriction. In fact, the issue of same sex marriage was not thought to be an issue for anyone in Australia in lead-up to the 2004 election - an idea imported from George Bush which apparently worked for him in attracting the conservative vote. Like so many other Howard moves, it was designed to wedge the Australian Labor Party (ALP) and, like so many times before, they caved in and voted with the Government.

This month the Australian Capital Territory parliament passed legislation to allow civil unions, the wording of which was painstakingly worked through with the federal Attorney General but, not satisfied, the Government quashed the legislation. This time the ALP voted with a motion to disallow the quashing instrument and some of their Senators would no doubt have been on the other side were it not for the fact that it represented a trampling of Territory rights. The Northern Territory voluntary euthanasia laws met the same fate, though through a conscience vote.

A couple of weeks ago, the Queensland Government tried to change their Education Act to make religious education in schools 'opt in' rather than 'opt out' and to broaden the definition of what can be taught in religious education to include 'religious and other beliefs'. This was met by a scare campaign suggesting that cults would have access to children.

Not to be outdone, the federal Minister for Education Julie Bishop put out a press release saying the Queensland Government would allow cults and fringe groups to teach witchcraft and paganism. She also regurgitated the federal Government's values in schools furphy saying: 'Queensland schoolchildren shouldn't be taught in a moral vacuum imposed by political correctness gone mad'. Of course coming from the Minister who has control over schools funding, this carried some weight and the Queensland Government backed down.

The long and devastatingly effective parliamentary career of former Senator Brian Harradine shows how powerful an individual's religious convictions can be. His work led to medical abortion - the RU486 abortion pill -being effectively banned in Australia for ten years, even though abortion is legal here and RU486 had been safely used by women in at least 35 other Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries.

I count as one of my most important achievements the initiation and prosecution of the bill that wrested from the health minister the veto over its approval for use in Australia. This veto, particularly under the current health minister, was enough to stop any pharmaceutical company even thinking of making an application. After all, the minister holds the purse strings on the subsidies provided to for pharmaceuticals and, as his threat a few weeks ago showed, he was prepared to use those strings.

The lengthy debate on RU486 had very strong religious overtones and the outcome was a blow to those who oppose abortion and indeed to the Prime Minister. Catholic MPs voted overwhelmingly against the bill and in the Senate more men voted against than for (54%). Happily, 90% of female Senators voted for the bill , ensuring its passage.

Another of Senator Harradine's legacies was a ban on Australian aid for abortion training and services, research trials and activities, which directly involve abortion drugs. This prohibition applies even in countries where abortion is legal but where thousands of women die every year from unsafe terminations for want of trained medical staff. AusAID has only recently re-established a section in the department for health. They were so hounded by Senator Harradine that it was easier to get rid of them and as a consequence our interest in funding health, particularly sexual and reproductive health , fell away completely. We know that women speaking out on this issue - mostly through our now very active Parliamentary Group on Population Development - has given the department the confidence to go forward on these issues.

The Howard Government's push for adherence to Judaeo-Christian values is particularly interesting. Not so long ago the Prime Minister insisted that those who come to Australia and don't share those values should be sent back. How this would be policed or implemented is anyone's guess. Deporting a person for a breach of the law is one thing but how does this work with Christian values?

It is the case that the dominant religious stream in Australia is Christianity, but we now have all the major religions of the world practised here. Does this tack not run the risk of encouraging prejudice against non Christian ideas, beliefs and practices? It also pretends that the values that underlie the non dominant religion, or indeed those with no religious affiliation, are inconsistent with the values of the dominant.

Howard's 'us and them' rhetoric has also been applied to Indigenous people, asylum seekers, welfare recipients and homosexuals, opening the way for damaging divisions in society, legitimising intolerance and indifference.

Australians have accepted the involvement of churches in delivering social and educational services but on the proviso that the churches would not use public funding to impose their religious beliefs.

I think Australians have accepted the involvement of churches in delivering social and educational services but on the proviso that the churches would not use public funding to impose their religious beliefs, values and practices on users of those services, nor to discriminate against those who did not share them. This compact has been strained as some religious groups have, perhaps emboldened by the government's courting of the religious right, denied services, provided inaccurate and misleading information and even imposed 'conversion' quotas, as was reported to be the case in a job placement agency.

It seems to us that the more religious the parliament is, the more likely it is to have scant regard for the separation of church and state and the more likely to find religious reasons for decisions - reasons that will be incomprehensible to many non-religious people. Religiously motivated government policy-making, whether based on sincere religious ideology or as a concession to religious constituents, also runs the risk of making superficial responses to complex social phenomenon.

Kevin Andrews, Tony Abbott and Brian Harradine show that individual religious morality can prevail over the wishes of the majority of the public and stifle debate on difficult issues. Rather than exploring the moral and practical questions in voluntary euthanasia and developing effective responses, a simple just-say-no was the response. This stopped voluntary euthanasia in its tracks and effectively prevented any further analysis and consideration of the issue.

Similarly, the focus on narrow personal moral issues around sexuality, drug use and start and end of life decisions diverts attention from broader morality issues such as income distribution, social inequity and decisions to go to war.

In the government's angry response to mainstream church criticism of its attack on Iraq, its treatment of asylum seekers and the unfair changes to industrial relations, its rhetoric focussed on personal values, steering well clear of rights and democratic principles. Given the success of this tactic it is possible that other political parties and would-be parties will emulate Howard's co-option of values and religion to further their political agenda.

The Labor Party at the last federal election established its own 'Faith, politics and values' working group. Apparently the brief from shadow cabinet was to reach out to religious communities and explain that Labor has its own traditions grounded in the gospel.

All of this is not to say that people of faith should not participate in politics, or that churches have no role in the political process, but there must surely be limits and it is reasonable to expect that that participation should, as nearly as is possible, reflect the views of the general public. In a democratic society, parliamentarians are accountable to the broader community, not just those who share their particular religious views.

It should also be the case that government policy making is based on science and reason. The decisions to fund chaplains in schools rather than non-religious counsellors or to encourage so-called intelligent design to be taught alongside evolution have little basis in science or reason.

A fully functioning democracy needs debate and compromise, however, many fundamentalist religions deal in absolutes and non-negotiables.

The Australian Democrats are concerned about the influence the growing conservative neo-liberal religious right is having on public policy and the transfer of government services to the religious sector. We see this as compromising freedom, equality and tolerance and that without the separation of church and state, governments are compromised in their duty to treat all citizens equally and to remain religion-neutral.

Unlike other countries Australia does not have a history of debate and discussion about the appropriate interface between church and state. Current issues now provide an opportunity to start a real debate on the need for and ways of separating church and state. Other countries are doing this. Norway is consulting nationwide on formal separation.The Democrats believe it is time that Australia followed suit.

Improving transparency and moving to a true separation will strengthen our democracy and enable us to better respect the views of all citizens and treat them more equally.

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Religion and Politics: opportunity or threat?

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Australia's fading separation between church and state
This article suggests that Australia completes secularism differently to other secular countries.

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Posted August 29, 2013 07:01:14

The majority of Australians say church and state should be separate, yet religion continues to be privileged in our society at taxpayer expense, writes Chris Fotinopoulos.
Why aren't we talking about the religious influence on party policies in this election campaign?

The relationship between church and state in Australia seems benign when set against news footage from Egypt, Syria and numerous Middle-East hot spots. And going by the 'World' news section of our tabloids, the violent clashes between religious and secularist groups in distant dusty lands are a far cry from Australian politics.

But in spite of our comparatively relaxed attitude towards organised religion in Australia, the question of religious influence on government policy needs to be asked. It is one area of the political debate that has not received much attention in this election campaign so far.

This is a gap. Australians clearly prefer a separation between church and state. According to a Herald/Nielsen poll conducted in the lead-up to the 2010 federal election, 84 per cent of people surveyed agreed with the statement ''religion and politics should be separate''. In Australia's increasingly complex society, which includes many different cultures and different types of belief or lack of belief, this would seem to be the only option.

More recently, a worldwide poll conducted by Win-Gallup International, found that 48 per cent of Australians said they were not religious; 10 per cent declared themselves "convinced atheists"; and 5 per cent did not know or did not respond. Only 37 per cent were religious. What's more, the poll placed Australia in the bottom 14 for religiosity and in the top 11 for atheism. Yet the increasing influence and funding of religion in Australia persists.

So why does the government continue to provide financial assistance in the order of $31 billion annually, according to the Secular Party of Australia, to religious institutions that are becoming less relevant to Australians? One explanation lies with the outsourcing of a lot of social welfare to various religious organisations by the Howard government.

After all, what better way of feeding the poor, housing the homeless, caring for the elderly, and counselling the mentally unwell than by enlisting the support of committed, altruistic, experienced workers who are close to the people who need this kind of help - all at a knock down price with the provider's blessing to boot. It's probably a win for the government and the church, but I'm not too sure if the social benefits extend to an expanding irreligious demographic.

By shifting a costly and complex social responsibility to religious providers, the government also exempts them from anti-discrimination laws. This is particularly evident with faith-based aged care providers that are free to discriminate against gays and lesbians on the sole basis that religious ethos overrides the principle of fair and equal treatment of all people.

We only need to look to certain state schools to see how government resources are used to support particular religious views and programs of religious instruction.And there is the $430 million that has gone to employ religious functionaries such as chaplains in state schools.

So what does a society that is becoming increasingly secular think about these legal and financial arrangements? Well, we won't really know unless we have a debate that is as robust as the one surrounding the carbon tax, paid parental leave or any policy that involves large government subsidies to specific groups and organisations.

A couple of weeks ago Kevin Rudd announced a $2 billion package for the car industry, which saw reporters, economist and politicians arguing the merits of financial support for struggling industries. So why aren't we having a similar conversation about government subsidies to religious organisations?

This is where scorecards can help. One such resource is the Secular Scorecard compiled by Rationalist Society of Australia. It assesses each party's commitment to the principle of secularism by monitoring comments, statements, and parliamentary voting practices on issues such as voluntary euthanasia, equal marriage rights, religious instruction in state schools, abortion, and the law, and then scores each party accordingly.

It's a tool that voters who support the separation of religion and state will find useful. What's more, scorecards of this kind offer information that's far more informative than spin, dumb headlines and maddening political party ads. Which can't be bad for a pluralistic secular democracy such ours.
Chris Fotinopoulos is a Melbourne writer, ethicist and educator. View his full profile here.
Topics: federal-elections

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Posted August 29, 2013 07:01:14 The majority of Australians say church and state should be separate, yet religion continues to be privileged in our society at taxpayer expense, writes Chris Fotinopoulos. Why aren't we talking about the religious influence on party policies in this election campaign?

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Introduction

This document draws together perspectives on the apparently desirable goal of keeping religion out of politics in Australia (even though it is impossible to keep religion out of the individual), and on means to achieve this.

The issue is by no means straight forward. For example, in January 2009, a political leader (Mr Peter Costello) expressed the view that Australia had benefited from its Christian heritage, and because of this was said to be:

mad for stating that God-given laws in the Bible had been and remained important to Australia. [However, unlike another politician who explicitly based his political philosophy on his Christian views, Mr Costello's statement was apparently made to a Christian group, ie not in a political context - and thus seemed consistent with the separation of church and state that had advantaged Australia (see below)];

unsuitable for political leadership on the grounds that he was unable to separate religion and state because he suggested that a biblical heritage was important to tolerance and order. [However: (a) his statement seemed factual; (b) divinely sourced moral law keeps disputes about this out of politics; and (c) criticism of him was itself apparently an intrusion of religious bias into politics (see below)].

In April 2009 it was suggested that efforts by three new political parties to separate church and state would result in a much greater focus on religion in a future federal election. However such efforts seemed likely to increase rather than reduce the role of religion in Australian politics (which is the reverse of their apparent goal), and to have serious adverse consequences. Strengthening the ability of (broadly-defined) 'churches' to address spiritual questions and to define and disseminate the nature of moral behaviour without need to get involved in politics would be a better solution. Though there does seem to be an ongoing need for a 'default' religion to avoid politicising moral and spiritual questions facing governments, this can not make 'church' leaders into experts on public policy questions (see below).

In July 2010, ethics classes in Australian schools were publicly advocated which would have the effect of establishing claims about moral authority that were not based on Christian scriptures. This constituted a (presumably unintended) effort to 'liberate' Australians from the Judeo-Christian heritage that has been the basis of their liberty, and of the notion of a 'secular' state. It would create room for claims to moral authority by political elites - a process that seems to be already underway and likely to have adverse social, political and economic consequences (see below).

In October 2015, proposals for changes to Victoria's education system seemed to have the effect of trying to promulgate an official state religion (see details).

Is a Religious View of History Valid?

Should A Religious View of History Disqualify Potential Political Leaders?

Important issues related to Australia's system of government were raised when it was suggested that Mr Peter Costello's 2009 Australia Day address to an evangelical Christian group proved that he was unable to separate church and state and was thus unsuitable for political leadership ( Fitzgerald R., " Costello's hopes should have burned out after sermon", The Australian, 23/2/09).

Mr Costello's address had suggested that a biblical heritage was central to the development of Australia and the foundation of its society, and that the (Judeo-Christian) scriptures and Ten Commandments had been the basis of peaceful tolerance of each other and of order.

Ross Fitzgerald's criticism appeared suspect, as it surely is simply a fact that the Christ-ian approach to interpersonal morality (ie based in individual consciences responsible to God) provided the basis for tolerance and order for many hundreds of years in Australia and in British society whose traditions and institutions Australia inherited.

Moreover, it has been critical to getting religion out of politics (because, by contrast with many other traditions, this means that the state has not had to try to define the nature of, and enforce, morality in interpersonal relationships) - see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty. The latter also noted that:

keeping the state out of the business of defining and enforcing ethical and moral behaviour allowed the emergence of systems of law and government based on individual liberty, and these have conferred important political, governance and economic advantages;

there has been a significant decline in committed adherence to Christianity in Australia (as Ross Fitzgerald's article also pointed out);

numerous social dysfunctions have emerged, presumably as a consequence of the loss of the Christian 'put others first' ethical ideal within the community generally. For example, if the claims by those who have studied child sexual abuse are correct, there are (perhaps) millions of individuals in the broader community who are guilty of offences for which Fitzgerald suggested that hundreds(?) of priests and ministers have faced courts (see About Child Sex Abuse);

pressure is coming on politicians to 'do something' about the social dysfunctions that result from the breakdown of interpersonal morality - and this must involve attempts to regulate ethics and morality which will destroy the individual liberty that has been central to Australia's system of law and government.

As an email reproduced below noted, while Mr Costello pointed out to a group of Christians that the Christian foundations of Australia's society are important, he has not (unlike a more prominent political leader) sought to claim religious moral authority for particular political policies or to advocate church involvement in politics.

Peter's letters to the 'Nutters' (Email to Editor of Crikey, 28/1/09)

On 29/1/09, you suggested in Crikey Says that:

There's a moment in Proust when he relates the experience of discovering through a sudden, illuminating fragment of conversation, that the person with whom you're talking, someone you'd assumed was perfectly civilized, intelligent and rational, is in fact quite and utterly, mad.

Peter Costello produced just such a moment of revelation in his address to the Catch the Fire prayer rally in Melbourne on Monday. Delivered by video , the man who for so long craved the Australian Prime Ministership, declares his firm belief that the Bible and the Ten Commandments form the foundation of Australian society and its property laws, and that any movement away from those "God-given commandments" will lead to a breakdown of social order. "As we look back over hundreds of years of Australian history, we can still see the benefits of God to us in this country," says Costello, presumably surprising indigenous Australians, whose ancestors were here a damn sight longer.

Declaring one's Christian faith is one thing. Arguing that only the maintenance of Christianity preserves order, directly implying that those of other faiths, or its complete atheistic absence, are a threat to that order, is an extraordinary statement from a major political figure in an allegedly secular state.

John Howard blocked Peter Costello from the Prime Ministership as long as he could, preferring even to take his party to defeat rather than let him run it. Based on this bizarre rant, it looks like Howard's judgement was absolutely right.

(Enthusiasts can watch the full Peter's Letter to the Nutters here. Just click on the picture:)

Intrusion of religion into politics is a real concern.

However Crikey should note that Mr Costello is not the only Australian political leader to have invoked Christianity or religion.

For example Mr Rudd did so, see Restoring 'Faith in Politics' - though he used his Christian faith as the basis for publicly espousing a particular political theory and endorsing the role of churches in politics - rather than (as Mr Costello did) as the basis for exhorting prayer by a Christian group. There is moreover apparently a network of members of Australia's Parliament who gather to pray in Parliament House - and who routinely exhort others to pray for political leaders.

Furthermore Mark Latham (a former ALP leader) reportedly said that politics in future would be concerned solely with values (ie with the traditional business of religion), rather than with debates about programs and budgets.

Crikey is rightly concerned about the intrusion of religion into politics - because the separation of church and state has been critical to the individual liberties that have yielded significant political and economic benefits to Australia. There are moreover many signs that the foundation of that liberty is being threatened by the desire of political leaders to be recognised as the authorities on the nature of, and enforcers of, moral interpersonal relationships (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty).

However Mr Costello's endorsement of Biblical moral laws did not do seem to do this. He merely restated the traditional and uniquely Judeo-Christian view that defining and enforcing moral laws are the province of God (rather than of political leaders). It is the absence of such a world-view that leads to the loss of liberty (op cit). It is, for example, the view that religion should be the basis of government that makes Islamism unlikely to be a successful political theory (see Discouraging Pointless Extremism).

Finally, it is worth considering whether Ross Fitzgerald's article (which suggested that an individual should be disqualified from political office because of their Christian faith) itself reflected an unfortunate intrusion of religion into Australia's politics.

The fact is that widespread acceptance of New Testament teachings within the community (which must be a church rather than a state responsibility for reasons outlined below) is the foundation of Australia's legal and government system (including the very notion of a 'secular' state, ie one concerned with everything but religion) - so it is inevitable that a substantial number of Christians will be involved in politics

Familiarity with the Bible: Churches' not State Responsibility (email sent 24/12/09)

Paul Syvret,
Courier Mail

Re: 'My god, its personal', Courier Mail, 22/12/09

In your comments on Tony Abbott's call for school children to gain a working knowledge of the Bible, you argued that faith (or the lack of it) is a personal matter and that it is hazardous for this to be dictated by the state.

Your argument has a great deal to commend it (eg see Continuing the Separation of Church and State, 2006 and Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009).

However, the issue is not that simple, because it is not the Bible (or even the New Testament) that is the foundation of our civilization as Mr Abbott asserted. Rather it is general community understanding of, and belief in, what the New Testament says that has been foundational (eg see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty).

The title of your article ('My god, its personal') illustrates the point very well. It is the expectation that people will be morally guided by their individual consciences responsible to God (rather than by human authorities) that allowed the emergence of a legal and government systems based on individual liberty. The assumption by states that faith / moral behaviour would be a 'personal' matter, rather than a community matter with enforced individual compliance, is founded in widespread acceptance of New Testament teaching. Moreover the resulting assumptions about individual liberty have had major political and economic advantages (op cit).

Such liberty does not emerge other traditions (eg see Constraints due to Cultural Traditions in Competing Civilizations; A Response to Hizb-ut-Tahrir Britain's Manifesto; and note that under Confucian traditions, which are increasing influential in Australia's environment, there is a presumption that social elites will define and enforce the rules of interpersonal behaviour so that what people are expected to believe in is anything but a 'personal' matter).

Restoring the moral foundations of our civilization must however be the responsibility of the churches rather than of the state, if liberal traditions are to be maintained. Some speculations about this are outlined in Ethical Renewal (in Competing Civilizations).

Other' observers suggestions about the foundational role of Christianity in Western institutions are in The Emergence and Advantages of Responsible Liberty.

Can Political Activism Separate Church and State? +

Can Political Activism Separate Church and State?

In April 2009 it was suggested that religion was likely to play an increasingly important role in the next federal election, because three new parties, who favour the separation of church and state, will challenge the political influence of what were seen as 'self opinionated bishops and crazy imams' (Fitzgerald R., 'Moves afoot to counter God's sway over the ballot box', The Australian, 20/4/09

Irony

However increasing the role of religion in a federal election is not a very efficient way of achieving the apparent goal of reducing the role of religion in Australian politics.

The new parties nominated as strongly favouring the separation of church and state were:

the Liberal Democratic Party - which was said to endorse small government, civil liberties and personal liberty;

the Australian Sex Party - which was said to oppose internet censorship, advocate a royal commission into sexual abuse in churches and standardised sex education;

a prospective Secular Party - which was said to want to remove 'advancement of religion' from the definition of charities under the tax act.

It is ironic that (by trying to reduce 'God's sway over the ballot box') these parties were expected to increase the role of religion in politics, and thus have an impact that was quite contrary to promoting the 'freedom' that was suggested to be their unifying goal.
The Origin of Freedom
Individual freedom in societies like Australia (which is quite rare in the world) has been the product of the long separation of religion and politics (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty). This has been possible because, given the past wide acceptance of Christ-ian teachings, the morality of individual behaviour could be assumed to reside in individual consciences responsible to God - rather than being defined and enforced at the whim of human authorities as is more commonly the case.

As Christian adherence has declined this assumption has become suspect in recent decades. Thus political leaders have sought, or been expected to, exert moral authority - thereby: putting moral values 'up for grabs'; bringing religion back into politics; and creating very profound new constraints on the freedom of individual behaviour (op cit).

Strengthening the Capacity of Apolitical 'Churches' to Operate Independently

A 'Secular Party' that wanted to keep religious questions out of political debates would be ill-advised to try to achieve this by disabling the non-political organisations that are able to address them - as this would just cause such questions to revert to the political domain.

Rather, increasing the separation of religion and state (which has had many practical advantages) would best be achieved by strengthening organisations that can credibly define and advocate moral behaviour based in individual consciences (responsible to God rather than to other people if liberty is to be preserved) and address spiritual questions while remaining independent of the state or of politics. There seems to be a solid basis for doing so (see Ethical Renewal in Competing Civilizations). However, in principle this could include not only organisations run by bishops and imams, but also organisations whose particular 'religion' was (say) atheism or humanism (both of which have their own current evangelists) - if they were able to present credible moral principles derived on that basis that would: (a) reliably locate responsibility for moral behaviour in individual consciences; and (b) not be able to be manipulated at the whim of powerful or influential people.

An Official 'Religion'?

This raises the obvious question about whether Australia should have an official (default) 'religion', and if so what should it be? This is clearly a matter of growing significance.

Taking Exotic Believers More Seriously (Email to David Burchell, 13/4/09)

RE: O ye of little faith, take these exotic believers seriously, The Australian, 13/4/09

As I interpreted it, your article:

suggested that the ABC has now, in effect, semi-officially stated that Christianity is no longer Australia's religious centre;

implied that this position is now occupied by the ideologies of unnamed intellectuals and the media;

argued that Western intellectuals (who originally were mainly Christian clergy) have:

undergone a transformation over the past 150 years on the basis of scientific advances and personal introspection, leading to the emergence of a new faith that is based on philosophy, the arts and the selfless pursuit of political causes;

been concerned about the continued influence of Christianity.

I should like to submit for your consideration that the said authorities of the new dominant faith (ie unnamed intellectuals and the media) are going to have a challenging time over the next few years because:

It may be that (as your article implied) the authorities of the official new faith will come to wish that they had taken those exotic believers more seriously.

The answer to the first question (ie whether Australia should have an official religion) is obviously 'yes', because there would otherwise be no default basis for determining moral and spiritual questions - so that they would become political issues (ie the separation between church and state would disappear altogether).

The difficulties of seeking to operate without a default religion has been well illustrated by vain efforts that have been made to politically define values that should be sought in state schools, when any value system depends on a much broader world view (eg see The Importance of Values Taught in State Schools).

In relation to the second question, it is clear that Christianity has an established role (eg providing the framework within which legal and governance institutions have been developed, and being the basis of religious observances at official events). Moreover the individual liberty that Christianity enabled appears to be one of the sources of strength that have benefited Western societies in recent centuries, and not all alternative religions would be compatible with Australia's social and political institutions (see also Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions).

None-the-less Christianity's founder, Jesus of Nazareth, did not use force to compel adherence with his teachings (eg consider Luke 18:18-23). Thus it would be reasonable for those proposing an alternative official 'religion' to make a case for submission to the electorate. Any analysis of the implications of such a shift would necessarily be much more profound and complex than for the average referendum.

Churches can't be Public Policy Experts

Anyone who believes that they have a better understanding of political questions than 'self opinionated bishops and crazy imams' should easily be able to make this clear to political leaders and the electorate. There is good reason to doubt that religious principles (which are timeless and applicable to individual behaviour) can ever in themselves provide a sound basis for deciding complex questions about ever-changing social and economic issues. Christianity's founder, Jesus of Nazareth, himself reportedly stated that he was not interested in establishing a 'kingdom of this world' ( John 18:36).

Casting the First Stone

Anyone who really was serious about the problem of child sexual abuse, as the Australia Sex Party was said to be, would be insisting that governments establish a royal commission into the incidence of this in the general community - as homes (rather than church-run institutions) appear to be where the vast majority of such abuse arises according to those who have studied the subject (see About Child Sex Abuse) and there is nothing morally controversial about such behaviour.

Addendum A: Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?

Accidentally Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?(Email sent 13/7/10)

David Hill
c/- Parents4Ethics

Re: Churches don't have monopoly on good life , 13/7/10

As I interpreted it, your article described efforts that are being made through ethics classes in schools to establish claims about moral authority that are not based on Christian scriptures.

I should like to suggest the need for a 'big picture' view of this issue, because Parents4Ethics is (presumably inadvertently) encouraging moral authoritarianism.

In the first place there is nothing new about human claims to being the source of moral authority. For example Genesis 3:1-6 described the temptation of ancient humans to 'eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil' - so as to be god-like. The rest of the Jewish Bible described the coming of the Mosaic Law, its elaboration by religious authorities and the chaos that periodically emerged as those principles were disregarded. And the Christian Bible dealt with Jesus' influence on the nature and significance of God's law at a time when political authorities traditionally claimed to be gods in order to encourage others' obedience.

There are practical advantages that accrue to a society where social and political elites are not able to claim to be the source of moral authority (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths). The latter refers (for example) to the way this enhances the ability of individuals to make rational decisions (because they do not have to try to second guess the reactions of their societies 'moral authorities'), and to the scope also created for legal and governance systems that are based on the presumption of individual liberty. It is also worth considering the pressure that Australia's political leaders are increasingly under to claim to be moral authorities as adherence to Christian principles has declined - and the resulting erosion of scope for individual liberty and of the political and economic advantages that liberty confers (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty).

It is not possible to shift any authority from where it has traditionally resided without someone else claiming it for their own benefit. Idealists seem to believe that elected Presidents in Australia would continue to carry out the purely 'ceremonial' functions of Governors and the Governor General. Realists recognised that such people would be much more likely to claim that their electoral mandates give them political authority which over-rides that of Parliaments, and that this would result in political instability (see Republican 'Realism': A Purely Ceremonial Head of State?)

Likewise human claims to determine the nature of ethical behaviour must inevitably to result in moral authoritarianism by social and political elites. This certainly seems to be the case in all non-Christian societies. There are very good reasons for ensuring a separation of church and state. However trying to separate moral authority from the churches' teachings (and thus enabling that authority to be claimed by politicians for their own benefit) is quite the reverse of what is required to achieve this outcome (eg see Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics).

Might I respectfully suggest that Parents4Ethics and associated entities need to give this matter deeper consideration.

John Craig

Further thoughts added later:

In addition to political claimants to moral authority (if the freedom from these that the Judeo-Christian tradition allowed were widely rejected) alternative human claimants probably also include:

Islam which presents a package of universalist moral values derived directly from the Judeo-Christian Bible, though enforced by communal or state pressure rather than by individual consciences responsible to God (see Thoughts on Hizb-ut-Tahrir in Australia );

non-theistic East Asian religions such as Confucianism which presents a package of particularist (rather than universal) moral values based on ancient Chinese traditions that social elites enforce amongst their subordinates (see A Simplistic View of Confucianism ), and which China's Communist Party now seems to be promoting internationally to boost respect for China's culture as well as its economic power.

The liberating impact of the first two of the Ten Commandments (which refer to not having other gods or making idols) should not be neglected. Those who reject the (moral) Kingdom of God that Jesus proclaimed are likely to find themselves ruled by human moral authoritarians.

Addendum B: Humanism classes in government schools

Humanism classes in government schools (email sent 12/11/10)

Professor Des Cahill,
RMIT

Re: Humanism classes have some merit, 10/11/10

I should like to try to add value to some of the issues raised in your constructive article. Your efforts to clarify the nature of 'religion' and 'secularism' are most useful, yet I must suggest that the issue is even more complex than you indicated and has even more important consequences for society as a whole.

The question of what worldviews are taught in schools can not simply come down to respecting all such views simply because some people hold them. Culture (of which worldviews, including religions, are a major component) has practical consequences, because it affects the way people behave and how they solve problems and thus the way a society works (or doesn't work). This point was considered very broadly in Competing Civilizations (from 2001).

It is thus not desirable to encourage the teaching of diverse world-views without also advocating understanding and consideration of the consequences of those world-views. For example:

Western societies have gained considerable advantages from their Judeo-Christian heritage because that worldview required social elites to relinquish claims to moral authority, and this permitted the emergence of the individual liberty which was essential for 'rational' methods of problem solving derived from the West's classical Greek heritage to be effective (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths, from 2001). Rationality often fails in dealing with complex problems (eg those related to social and economic systems as a whole, or those confronting individuals who are not freed to make decisions without fear of the reactions of social elites). This point is explored further in Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions. It can also be noted that social elites in Australia (eg political leaders, ethicists) are increasingly claiming to be the source of moral authority as the traditional expectation that individual consciences responsible to God will ensure moral interpersonal relationships has declined (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty, from 2003). This trend must put at risk the liberty assumed by Australia's legal and governance systems (and the practical advantages of that liberty). The separation of religion and state has many advantages (eg see Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009). But this is only possible when a worldview which does not depend on human moral authoritarianism is widely embedded in the community generally;

It is naïve to teach Islamic idealism (as the Australian Curriculum Studies Association has advocated) without considering the practical consequences of Islamic worldviews (see Bringing Balanced Understandings about Islam into Australian Schools). Islamic worldviews appear to place responsibility for individuals' behaviour in communal coercion (rather than in individual consciences) and thus impede the scope for change which is vital for economic prosperity. It is no coincidence that Muslim dominated societies have experienced centuries of economic backwardness. While Islam teaches similar values to Christianity, its approach to enforcement of moral behaviour (arguably reflecting pre-Islamic Arabic social traditions) makes a big difference to the outcomes;

While it makes sense to identify Confucianism as a variety of Humanism which is different to the Enlightenment version, it needs to be recognised that all East Asian worldviews emerged in the absence of the classical Greek thought that profoundly influenced Western philosophies (see East Asia, from 2001). And the systems of socio-political-economy that have emerged under neo-Confucian traditions in Asia seem quite incompatible with Australia's individualistic, democratic capitalism - and community leaders have no way to assess what is going on because the consequences of differences in worldviews are not understood or considered (see Proposed ASX Takeover: Lifting the Level of Debate; and Resist Protectionism: A Call That is Decades Too Late ). Similarly the 'yin yang' symbol of Daoism was incorporated as a central element in Sydney's 2010 New Year's EveAwaken the Spirit celebrations without the officials responsible apparently having any idea of the significance of that particular worldview (Sydney's 2010 New Year's Eve Celebrations: Awakening Which 'Spirit'? );

A number of other points related to the matters raised in your article are that:

Atheism presumably falls within the range of worldviews that should be able to be taught in government schools under the broader concept of 'religion' that your article advocates. However Atheists seem not to want to get this recognition, nor to have thought through their relationship with non-theistic religions in Asia such as Confucianism (see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism);

The postmodern assumption that it is desirable to accept all ideas simply because some people hold them (ie to assume that 'truth' is merely a social construct, and thus arbitrary) is leading to practical failures in many areas (see Eroding the West's Cultural Foundations, from 2001); and

Suggestions about the consequent need to be discriminating in what children in state schools are encouraged to be 'tolerant' of were presented in The Importance of Values Taught in State Schools (2004).

I would be interested in your response to the above speculations.

John Craig

Addendum C: Separating Church and State will Need More than a High Court Decision

Separating Church and State will Need More than a High Court Decision (email sent 5/2/11)

Richard Ackland,
Sydney Morning Herald

Re: Religiously follow the rules, or catch church in bed with state, 4/2/11

Your articles' sardonic observations on the debate about government funding of chaplains in state schools (and a forthcoming High Court challenge) don't convey a strong enough argument about the importance or difficulty of keeping church and state separate.

My reasons for suggesting this are outlined below (together with an outline of your article). In brief my comments relate to:

The reality of the breakdown in the separation of church and state to which your article referred, and the serious potential consequences of that breakdown for the way Australia's government and society functions;

The dependence of that separation on widespread community adherence to Christianity; the social stresses that are emerging as many have drifted away from their ethical mooring; and the potential to undermine the individual liberty that has been vital to the effectiveness of Australia's legal and government systems, as political leaders and others now attempt to impose their 'values';

The futility of efforts (eg by High Court challenges to government support for chaplains in schools), because the High Court can do nothing to reduce the social symptoms and stresses that now motivate human authorities to attempt to promulgate 'values';

The need to remind churches of the importance of success in their (evangelical) mission not only to individuals, but also to the continued viability of Australia's liberal legal and governance institutions.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig
Outline of Article and Detailed Argument
As your article noted, the fact that government-endorsed values are being promulgated (eg by funding for a school-based chaplaincy program) demonstrates a breakdown in the separation of church and state. And there are other examples such as: public funding for church run social services; and political leaders proclaiming themselves moral authorities (or seeking to involve churches directly in politics, as noted in Restoring 'Faith in Politics') . This situation is highly undesirable, and is one indication of a crisis that Australia's system of government is encountering (see Australia's Governance Crisis and the Need for Nation Building).

The separation of church and state has been an important component of the legal and government institutions that presume individual liberty that Australia inherited, and which provided very significant political and economic advantages to Western societies generally (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strength). For example:

The fact that political rulers have been unable to claim moral authority is one of the factors that has facilitated more-or-less rational decision making by individuals, and thus dramatically increased their effectiveness in all walks of life. Individuals have a sound foundation for making their own moral judgments appropriate to their circumstances, when they do not have to try to second-guess the reactions of the politically powerful in that respect; and

Churches can't validly claim to possess special wisdom in relation to the issues governments address. Religious principles that are relevant to individuals are unlikely to be an adequate basis for determining public policies - because governments deal with much more complex systems than individuals are exposed to (eg see Continuing the Separation of Church and State (2006) and Churches' Mission).

The separation of church and state has also been vital to the effectiveness of churches. The involvement of government in funding social welfare services run by churches has arguably compromised the ability of churches to perform their core mission, because it distorts the goals and perceptions of those affected - a point that is explored in Is the Smart State a Just State: A Commentary(2003). The latter noted that studies of serious social problems in Queensland by a church group focused only on advocating new government programs to provide support to the disadvantaged, whereas a more effective and permanent solution would have involved re-emphasis on the church's evangelical mission so as to motivate and empower disadvantaged individuals and groups to better support one another.

While close linkages between church and state are counterproductive, keeping them separate has been dependent on widespread adherence to Christianity in the community. This has been needed because the Judeo-Christian tradition locates responsibility for the morality of individual behaviour in individual consciences responsible to God, rather than in communal or state pressure on individuals, as is usual under other traditions (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). However in recent decades many individuals have drifted away from their ethical mooring (apparently because of churches' inadequate responses to the intellectual challenges to the credibility of their teachings). Severe social symptoms have been emerging as a result of thus leaving many with little basis for moral interpersonal dealings, and political leaders have been under pressure to 'do something about it' (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty and ' The Times They are a-Changing' - but not always for the better). But the more the state (or others) try to promulgate their views of appropriate values, the more the advantages of legal and government systems build on liberty must be lost.

An aside: In practice, efforts by governments to define values that should be promulgated (eg through schools) have been unsatisfactory (see The Importance of Values Taught in State Schools ). As one observer noted, it is impossible to define meaningful values separately from a comprehensive world-view, ie a religion. Similarly efforts by non-state institutions to take moral authority away from God must also erode scope for individual liberty (see Accidentally encouraging moral authoritarianism). And the even more radical proposals that Islamic Sharia Law could be needed to overcome the social dysfunctions that increasingly plague Australia would not be constructive (see Sharia 4 Australia?).

The problem cannot be resolved by High Court judgements about what governments can or cannot do. No matter what is decided in relation to (say) government funding of chaplains in state schools, the social dysfunctions that have caused political leaders to try to 'do something' are not going to go away. Likewise political activism to promote separation of the church and the state (as several groups are attempting) can't provide a solution - as this merely increases the role of religion in politics by requiring political leaders to arbitrate on questions of religion (see Can Political Activism Separate Church and State?).

The key to restoring the separation of church and state must be to remind churches of the importance of their evangelical mission not only to individuals but to the effectiveness of Australia's system of law and government (see Eliminating the Need for Chaplains in Australia's State Schools), and to support (ie encourage) them in undertaking that mission. Such a suggestion is outlined in A Nation Building Agenda - together with speculations about how to overcome intellectual obstacles to creating strong churches that do not depend on the state (eg to overcome intellectual obstacles that arise because Australians have had undue confidence in their ability to understand creation on the basis of science and reason).

Addendum D: Political Commentary Based on Religious Criteria can be Misleading

Political Commentary Based on Religious Criteria can be Misleading ( email sent 4/4/11)

Matt Condon
Courier Mail

Re: Heatless pair use misery to showboat, Courier Mail, 18/2/11

Your article criticised two political leaders on the basis of religious criteria (ie it suggested that two Opposition MPs were not doing what God expects).

Key points: Your article started by quoting the Opposition's immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, as referring to a passage from Jeremiah to illustrate the life values he derived from his religious faith: "I am the Lord who exercises loving-kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things, declares the Lord." [ Jeremiah 9:24]. It then: (a) referred to Mr Morrison's reservations about the federal government flying children to Sydney to attend the funerals of deceased relatives; (b) noted that Australians generally had demonstrated the 'Aussie spirit' by helping out their mates in dealing with flooding - a disaster of biblical proportions; but that (c) the Opposition leader, Tony Abbott a devout Catholic, had objected to the federal government imposing a levy that would enable expeditious rebuilding of much of Queensland. You questioned their motives for: (a) opposing government funding of flights for asylum seekers as such people are not in a position to provide for themselves; and (b) opposing help and assistance to Queensland - and suggested that such actions were the antithesis of the Australian spirit, reflected selfishness for which they should be ashamed. Your article concluded by suggesting that both men should consider what is said in Matthew: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." [ Matthew 23:37].

Unfortunately I must belatedly submit that your article mainly illustrated the desirability of keeping religion out of politics. My reason for suggesting this are outlined below. The moralities of the political actions you criticised and of the community you praised are not as clear cut as your article suggested, and there are good reasons to doubt the adequacy of religious criteria in assessing public policies (a point that that was argued earlier in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig
Detailed Reasons
Firstly, the moralities of the policy issues you mentioned are not as clear cut as your article implied. For example:

the misery facing the world's 20+m refugees can only really be solved by eliminating the political and economic dysfunctions in various countries (mainly in the Middle East) that cause people to become refugees (see Complexities in the Refugee Problem, from 2001). People smuggling is not a satisfactory solution (because of the hazards involved, and the small numbers who can be accommodated). In the past Australia's political leaders have not sought to address the problem at its source - presumably seeing this as too hard. Rather they have either: (a) tried to discourage people smuggling; or (b) unintentionally encouraged people smuggling (ie by giving potential refugees, and also would-be economic migrants, reasons to expose themselves to smugglers and the hazards of travelling in dangerous waters in poor quality boats). Your article criticised those who questioned funding children to attend the funeral of relatives who died when a people smuggler's boat was wrecked. However it would have been fair to also criticise those who unintentionally encourage people smuggling, and were thus partly to blame for the wreck in which the relatives died;

the question about the flood disaster seemed to be not whether support would be provided, but rather about whether such support should be funded by a special new tax or by savings from other expenditures. It can be noted that: (a) there are good reasons to suspect that Australia faces a structural budget deficit (see references in The Long Term Impact of the Global Financial Crisis, 2009); and (b) the Federal Government's 2011 budget seems likely to be focused on the pressing need to find savings (see Walking in Whitlam's shadow, The Australian, 1/4/11).

Secondly ascribing widespread moral virtue to Australia's community generally (because many were good neighbours immediately after a natural disaster) is not the full story. The admonition to Jerusalem that your article quoted has local relevance. Serious social symptoms seem to be emerging as the consequence of the erosion of individual morality within the community - and this could have painful consequences (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty, from 2001).

Finally, as the latter document suggested Western societies gained huge advantages from general adherence to Christianity within the community, eg the ability to create liberal social environments in which rationality could be an effective means for problem solving (see also Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions, 2010). None-the-less separating public policy from religion has also been beneficial (eg see Why separation of church and state allowed government to be effective).

Illustration: The systems that governments deal with are more complex than those facing individuals. Thus, for example, giving support to the poor is an individual virtue, but a potential source of welfare dependency if applied by governments. Also giving by individuals involves sacrificing one's own money - but giving by governments involves spending other people's money and can be subject to conflicts of interest (eg spending others' money with no real community benefit might be simply a means for buying political support).

And, though Christianity sets high moral standards for Christian leaders as individuals, it does not provide a comprehensive basis for assessing public policies. In very simple terms, Jesus of Nazareth (Christianity's founder) requires his followers (whether or not they are political leaders) to accept the Holy Spirit and live in accordance with his teachings (my interpretation of which is outlined briefly on my web-site). However, it is inappropriate to see those teachings as a sufficient basis for public policies (eg because: Jesus: (a) did things for the poor and sick, rather than lobbying others to do so; (b) emphasised the importance of a kingdom that is not of this world; and (c) said nothing about his followers gaining the God-like wisdom needed to make superior judgments about complex problems - see Church's Mission, 2009).

Addendum E: Get God out of the Classroom: Good Luck with That!

Get God out of the Classroom: Good Luck with That! ( email sent 12/4/11)

Jewel Topsfield,
Education Editor
The Age

Re: Let's get God out of the classroom, Brisbane Times, 4/4/11

Based on its title your article (which is outlined below) seems to be an argument for getting God out of Victorian classrooms. From a Christian viewpoint, that goal (if taken literally) seems ambitious. If the Creator of the universe wants to be in classrooms, then that is presumably where He will be.

Closer examination suggested, however, that your goal was not to exclude God, but rather to exclude religious instruction - especially about Christianity.

Various observers with experience of religious instruction in schools have suggested to me in relation to your article (in brief) that:

Your experiences at school were unfortunate, and many people have had positive experiences and thus hold opposing views;

Your article is based on personal experience and emotion - and is not factual or well researched (eg opting out is actually quite easy). Also it is inappropriate to force Atheistic beliefs on children whose parents want them to learn about the Bible at school; and

Your article seems to contain errors, eg about (a) the difficulty of getting children out of religious instruction; and (b) the quality of curriculum material, as that available from the Victorian-based Council for Religious Education in Schools is excellent.

Moreover even from a pragmatic (secular if you like) viewpoint, your ambition seems problematical. For example, in more detailed ('secular') comments below this email, it is suggested that:

A 'secular' approach to government involves arrangements that are always in addition and complementary to religion (rather than an alternative);

It is impossible to satisfactorily teach children values except in the context of a broad world view (ie a religion). NSW's ethics programs don't provide this. And broad world-views that exclude God (eg Western-style Atheism, and various Asian traditions) are none-the-less 'religions', just as much as Christianity;

In deciding what broad world view (ie religion) should be taught to state school children, it is important to recognise that: (a) a community's culture (including its religion) has significant practical consequences; (b) while there are sound reasons for keeping religion out of politics, there are practical advantages in widespread Christian adherence in the community (eg an ability to sustain liberal legal and governance institutions, which have political and economic benefits including a secular state); and (c) while learning about religions generally is desirable, this is not enough to provide those advantages.

Finally I wonder if you might consider another 'flirtation' with Christianity. A reading of the gospels with an open mind and an open heart might be a good place to start - as these present eye-witnesses accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, rather than the interpretations of modern believers. Perhaps next time a marriage might result.

John Craig
OUTLINE OF ARTICLE and DETAILED COMMENTS FROM A SECULAR VIEWPOINT

Outline of Let's get God out of the classroom: Religious instruction has no place in our secular schools. Christian education classes were of no use in my experience, though I flirted with Christianity. My parents, atheists who had deliberately sought a secular education for their children, would have been furious at the claptrap that was taught. Victoria's education department still forces primary schools to hold 'special religious instruction' taught by volunteers - of which 96% are taught by Christian educator Access Ministries. This is required by law, though less than 10% of the population attends church weekly. Proselytising is not supposed to be allowed, but happens. Volunteers are not educators, but are motivated by a desire to convert students to Christianity, rather than teach religion impartially. Website Religions in Schools attracts comments - eg that learning about religion is important, but indoctrination is not appreciated. Professor Gary Bouma (St Johns Anglican church in East Malvern and UNESCO chairman on interreligious and intercultural relations says Access Ministries' curriculum is appalling. Government funds private schools so that parents can choose education in line with their own religious beliefs. Many choose government schools because they are not religious. But instead of expected secular education students in Victorian government schools must attend weekly religion classes - unless parents opt out (which is not easily done - a fact that has led to complaints to Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission). NSW offers ethics classes for students who opt out of scripture classes. Victoria was one of the first places to offer free, secular and compulsory education - but rather than upholding that tradition has allowed schools to be infiltrated by evangelising volunteers.

Some thoughts (in a fairly random order) are:

The original meaning of 'secular' in Western culture apparently did not imply rejection of religion, but referred to those aspects of human affairs that were outside (and complementary to) the sphere of religion;

Attempts to define 'secular' as something that is completely separate from religion encounters problems. For example:

There is a recognised need to teach values in state schools - and many attempts have been made to define values that should be taught, which seem to have been a struggle and unsuccessful (see The Importance of Values Taught in State Schools, 2004). It has also been realistically pointed out that 'values' can't be taught except in the context of a broad world view - ie of a 'religion';

The ethics education programs that have been proposed in NSW as an alternative to the Christian scriptures were developed by the St James Ethics Centre and are limited to trying to define how individuals can make 'good' decisions in the social and institutional context that currently exists in NSW (see Code of Ethics). In other words, this does not present a broad world view, and is thus not a religion. Rather the St James' ethics education program is derivative of, and dependent on, the world views that have underpinned the social and institutional context that exists in NSW. Given the growing need to adjust the social and institutional context that exists in Australia (see Australia's Governance Crisis and the Need for Nation Building), the ethical principles proposed by the St James Ethics Centre are not broad enough to guide social and institutional change (because they are constrained by taking the existing social and institutional framework as a given). Another significant issues is that St James's ethical principles depend on human claims to moral authority - and the need for human authorities to then enforce those principles in the face of individual rebellion must ultimately break the separation between church and state and eliminate the advantages that this provides (see Accidentally Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?);

Atheists apparently claim that they are proposing a broad world-view based on science and reason which has no need for religion - yet a good case can be made that Atheism is merely yet another non-theistic religion - of which there are a number of ancient examples in Asia (see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism). The president of the Atheists Foundation of Australia argued that Atheism is not a religion, because it has no dogma / claims that can't be established by reason - yet it was not hard to find examples of such dogma. It is also not hard to find serious problems in a world view based solely on science and reason (see How solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'?);

Political efforts to separate religion from a purely secular state (including your article) unintentionally have the reverse effect, because they make religion into a political issue (see Can political activism separate church and state?);

In considering what values and world views should be taught to children (as some values and world views must be taught), it is highly desirable to recognise that different world views have different practical consequences, and are not equally constructive (see Humanism classes in government schools, 2010);

There is considerable value in separation of church and state (see Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics). None-the-less the liberal institutions of state that have provided significant advantages to Western societies have been and remain dependent on widespread Christian adherence in the community (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths and Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). As the former noted, the uniquely Judeo-Christian expectation that the morality of individual behaviour should be promoted by individual consciences responsible to God allowed the separation of church and state, and this in turn created simplified social spaces in which rationality could be a reasonably effective means for problem solving, Both citizens and a 'secular state (ie one relieved of the responsibility for defining the nature of, and enforcing, individual moral behaviour) face simpler situations in which constraints on rationality are greatly reduced. The fact that Christian adherence has declined (as illustrated by the fact that less than 10% of the population attend church weekly) puts Australia's institutions at risk (seeErosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions);

Your article referred to comments on the FIRIS website (Fairness in Religions in Schools). In essence FIRIS argues that students should be taught about religion generally, rather than being 'indoctrinated' with any particular religion. However it is adherence to religion (ie how people behave as a consequence of accepting it, rather than merely hearing about it) that is critically important. For example, as noted above the advantages that arise from liberal institutions under Judeo-Christian traditions depend on trusting that individual morality will be primarily ensured by individual consciences responsible to God. This is not a feature of other religions (see Constraints due to cultural traditions in Competing Civilizations). For example, a 'guardianship' principle seems to be part of Islam (perhaps a reflection of pre-Islamic Arabic social practices). Individuals are expected to take responsibility for the morality of others' behaviour (see A Response to Hizb-ut-Tahrir Britain's Manifesto). Even when this does not go to the extremes that Islamists propose, communal coercion on individuals seems to be a major constraint on their ability to apply rationality in decision making and initiate change (ie to innovate), and thus to be a major obstacle to progress and economic prosperity in affected communities (see Thoughts on Hizb-ut-Tahris in Australia);

The fact that Australia's proposed National History Curriculum seems determined to avoid clearly teaching children about the ideas that have been critical to the emergence of Australia's social and institutional framework (because of a desire not to discriminate against alternative world-views) seems to leave students ill-prepared for responding to pressures from the world Proposed National History Curriculum: Information without Understanding? Its failure to highlight the importance of Christianity to Australia's heritage would make the educational process into a farce (see Australia's National History Curriculum: Making Education Futile and Highlighting the Importance of Christianity?);

The most effective way to separate religion and state in Victoria would be to remind Christian churches of the importance of success in their (evangelical) mission not only to individuals but to the viability of Australia's liberal legal and governance institutions (see Separating Church and State will Need More than a High Court Decision). Thus, if current religious instruction practices developed by Access Ministries are inadequate, the real challenge for those wishing to ensure separation of religion from a secular state is presumably to find better ways to present Christianity to students.

Addendum F: Are Politicians Idiots?

Are Politicians Idiots? ( email sent 13/5/11)

Jewel Topsfield,
The Age

Re: School religion classes probed, The Age, 13/5/11

Your article suggested that the federal and Victorian education ministers (Peter Garrett and Martin Dixon) would investigate whether teaching religion in schools might involve trying to make converts ('proselytizing') after Access Ministries CEO (Dr Evonne Paddison) had implied that this should be the goal in a 2008 speech to the Evangelical Fellowship in the Anglican Communion national conference.

Surely politicians are not idiotic enough to believe that teaching Christianity through school religious programs will not tend to 'make disciples'? This is the logical outcome of the process, and for reasons suggested in Get God out of the Classroom: Good Luck with That! this is not only of benefit to students (as Dr Paddison reportedly suggested) but also to the maintenance of Australia's liberal legal / governance institutions (and thus to the notion of a secular state).

Regards

John Craig

Addendum G: A Confident Secularist Society?

A Confident Secularist Society? (Email sent 6/8/11)

Brendan O'Neill,
Spiked

Re: A confident secularist society would tolerate school religion, The Age, 28/7/11

Your article concluded that secularists, who stridently call on governments to prevent church volunteers from providing religious education in public schools, are in effect admitting defeat in the battle of ideas. I should like to suggest for your consideration why such an admission of defeat may be necessary to defend the notion of a secular state (and the advantages that the separation of church and state has brought to Western societies).

In the first place, as I understand it, the original meaning of 'secular' in Western culture did not imply rejection of religion, but referred to those aspects of human affairs that were outside (and complementary to) the sphere of religion. Thus strictly 'secularists' would presumably be indifferent to church teaching in schools, not because they favour an alternative, but because religion is outside their sphere of knowledge and interest,.

None-the-less your article suggested that 'secularists' have a creed (ie a religion) of their own - ie one featuring a 'grounded, rational, Enlightenment outlook' and confidence in 'rationalist public institutions'. However, while there can be benefits in a rational Enlightenment view, such a view also has significant limitations (see How solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'?). The latter refers, amongst other things, to limits to rationality (both to those that are well known, and to some that are now emerging). It thus implies that winning over the next generation to the simplistic alternative 'creed' you have suggested would be a real struggle..

It is also constructive to consider the way in which the development of a 'rational Enlightenment' view (and many other features that contributed to the strength of of Western societies such as the separation of church and state) depended on widespread adherence to Christianity within the community (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions) and the challenges to liberal institutions and 'rationalism' that are emerging as Christian adherence in the community declines, and human claims to moral authority re-emerge to potentially break down the notion of a secular state (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty).

Your article may very well be correct in asserting that religious education in schools is not a very effective way of convincing children about Christianity. The challenge, therefore, for those who value a secular state is arguably to find more effective ways to present Christianity to students (a point that was explored also in Get God out of the classroom: Good luck with that!).

I would be interested in your response to the above speculations.

John Craig

Addendum H: Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?

Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools? ( email sent 5/3/12)

Professor Stan van Hooft,
School of Humanities and Social Sciences,
Deakin University

Re: Religious classes in state schools must be about teaching, not preaching , Brisbane Times, 2/3/12

Your article (which also appeared in The Age) made a case for 'general religious education' in state schools (ie for regular teachers imparting knowledge and understanding of all of the world's major faiths), rather than the 'special religious education' that has been provided by faith-based groups and emphasized Christianity. In particular it was suggested that:

"Australia is a society that guarantees freedom of religion and separation of church and state. It is a liberal society in which everyone is entitled to the religious beliefs they hold and to follow their religious practices as long as they cause no harm. This means religion is a private matter. Public issues are those the government is charged to regulate and control because they touch on benefits or harms that affect members of society. Private matters are those that touch on the consciences or lifestyles of individuals which those individuals are entitled to pursue because they have no public impact.

A liberal society should protect children in public schools from indoctrination by well-meaning religious adherents while also protecting the private right of religious groups to set up their own schools. Schools set up by a liberal state and pursuing public good should not be intruded upon by the private convictions of any groups within society.

There are basically two conceptions of religious instruction at play in this debate. The first is called "special religious instruction" and the second "general religious education". Both are provided for in state government policy, but only the first is widely practised. "

There are advantages in the separation of religion and state that your article endorsed (eg see Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009+). However, as the latter indicated, this is anything but straightforward because even seeking state support for separation can lead to political decisions that disadvantage some religions (and this can produce outcomes that are the reverse of the desired separation).

Moreover I suspect that teaching about religion is more complex than your article indicated, and that the issues involved go well beyond the likely expertise of 'regular teachers'.

To gain 'a genuine choice as to what they themselves will believe', children would not only need general information about all major traditional religions, but also about: (a) the practical consequences for societies whose cultures are built around traditional religions; and (b) emerging non-traditional belief systems that also compete for adherents. This would require resource material that would be very difficult and time consuming to produce.

My reasons for suggesting this are outlined in more detail on my web-site, and I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig
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What individual's put their faith in is not only a 'private matter' that has consequences for themselves alone.

There is also an effect on the community as a whole because a society's culture (which includes, or is heavily influenced by, the world view embodied in the dominant religion) appears to be a major determinant of a society's ability to be materially successful and to live in relative peace and harmony. Culture affects: people's goals and aspirations; the way they understand reality (and thus how they go about solving problems, and whether they can develop technologies); their ability to learn, to cope with risk and to change; and the institutions their society maintains (see Competing Civilizations). For example:

the Australian Curriculum Studies Association developed material in relation to Islam that teachers might use, yet the product was inadequate for genuinely educating students (see Bringing Balanced Understandings about Islam into Australian Schools, 2010). Its 'idealistic' view failed to address the practical consequences for Muslim dominated societies, whose slow progress and modernisation in recent centuries arguably reflect:

the suppression of initiative where moral behaviour is enforced by communal coercion of individuals to conform to what is perceived to be God's will (see Discouraging Pointless Extremism - which comments on the adverse effects of Islamist's goals, ie state enforcement of religious laws, that would seem likely to increase such obstacles because the problem is not apparently understood); and

the goal of 'Islamic science' that seems to inhibit genuine scientific advance (see About Arabic Thought and Islamic Science, 2005). Nature is apparently expected to be studied mainly as a way of understanding God, because it is assumed that nature also is coerced / micro-managed to conform to God's will;

Australia's liberal institutions (which, as your article noted, seek to guarantee freedom of religion and church / state separation) are largely a bye-product of widespread Christian adherence within the community (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). Suppressing human claims to moral authority (because Judeo-Christian teaching uniquely places primary responsibility for moral behaviour on individual consciences responsible to God) allowed legal and governance institutions that presume individual liberty. This created simplified social spaces based on individuals that then enabled rationality (derived from Western societies' classical Greek heritage) to become reasonably effective as a means for problem solving (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths).

Unfortunately the practical consequences of cultural differences have not received much attention in recent decades apparently because of disinterest by students of the humanities and social sciences, who would traditionally have studied such questions (see Competing Civilizations, 2001). The emergence and ultimate dominance of post-modern theory (ie that social knowledge tends to be just a 'construct' to benefit elites, and that such ideas are just a matter of opinion and likely to be equally valid and useful) appears to be the main reason that such study has been discouraged.

The difficulty facing 'regular teachers' in trying to impart understanding of diverse faiths is not only complicated by the fact that many traditional faiths encourage social, political and economic institutions that are incompatible with Australia's liberal inheritance, but also by the emergence of new competing faiths in Western societies. In particular:

Atheism seems to be becoming an increasingly evangelical religion, and one that claims it should be the default adopted by secular states. In Western societies, Atheists seem to place their faith in 'rationality, science and critical thinking' as the way to gain positive knowledge. There is no apparent recognition of: (a) the limitations of those tools; or (b) the existence of traditional religions (eg Confucianism) that are also non-theistic but do not rely on the 'rational' tools that a classical Greek heritage gave Western societies (see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism, 2010);

'post-modern' assumptions (in effect that seeking positive knowledge is futile) are an alternative to both Atheists' faith in 'modern' tools for gaining such knowledge and to Christianity's faith in divine revelation. The 'post-modern' belief system, it may be noted, also seems to have contributed to: (a) practical problems in countries such as Australia (see Eroding the Foundations of Western Culture and of a Liberal International Order); and (b) much of the disadvantage and conflict experienced around the world (see Ignorance as a Source of Conflict).

For 'general teachers' to enable anyone to make an informed choice amongst major traditional faiths and their emerging competitors would require that they have access to resource material that provides a balanced account of issues such as those outlined above. Such resource material: (a) does not yet exist; (b) would take many years (perhaps decades) to assemble to the point that a consensus exists amongst experts; and (c) would involve complexities that are unlikely to be properly appreciated even by undergraduate students (and certainly not by young children).

By contrast it is possible to teach about Christianity simply as a belief that might be accepted by children on faith, or rejected. The New Testament not only provides evidence for faith in Jesus' Gospel but also suggests that acceptance of that 'good news' should be voluntary and based on faith alone. And success by Christians in imparting such faith seems likely to be essential to countering threats to the foundations Australia's liberal legal and governance institutions that: (a) have been emerging for decades (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions); and (b) would be exacerbated by the widespread acceptance of faiths that do not endorse "freedom of religion and separation of church and state".

Addendum I: Teaching about religion in schools

Teaching about religion in schools - email sent 26/3/12

Roger Chao
Steppe by Steppe

Re: Why we should teach religion in schools, Online Opinion, 26/3/12

Your article suggested the need to teach about religion in schools because, even though religion is not rationally valid, it has consequences for societies.

While endorsing your view about the importance of understanding the consequences of religion, I would like to suggest that teaching about religion in terms of its consequences would be an incredibly difficult task - because the fundamental work on this has not yet really been done. My reasons for suggesting this are outlined in Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?

Moreover I also submit that there is a need in debating such issues to recognise that there are very real limits to human rationality as a means for decision making (eg see How solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'?). Those limits seem to be the basis of the radically different epistemologies and methods of problem solving that prevail in East Asian societies with an ancient Chinese cultural heritage (see East Asia in Competing Civilizations), while the creation of simplified social spaces (eg through a rule of law) seems to have been essential to the effectiveness that rationality has had in Western societies (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strength).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

Regards

John Craig

Addendum J: A Wise or a Foolish Nation?

A Wise or a Foolish Nation? - email sent 21/4/12

John Turner,
President,
Hunter Skeptics

Re: A Clever Country? Online Opinion, 20/4/12

I should like to suggest that your article somewhat oversimplifies quite complex issues.

There is little doubt (as your article suggests) that Australia currently has an excessively 'controllable, unthinking and easily misled' population. However this has causes, and potential solutions, which do not simply relate to the absence of 'Philosophy for Children' classes that would teach individuals to think. Some speculations about the nature of the problem and possible solutions are in Australia's Governance Crisis and the Need for Nation Building. The latter refers, for example, to: (a) the increased complexity of public policy issues which now often have no readily identifiable rational explanation or solution and thus encourage political leaders to advocate 'populist' initiatives (ie those that sound good, but would not work in practice); and to (b) new institutional support to the political system that is needed to overcome this problem.

More generally it is noted that there is a great deal of current attention to what has been described as the 'Asian century', and if this eventuates, its primary implication would that the thinking ability of individuals would have been shown to be an inadequate foundation for civilizational success. My reasons for suggesting this are outlined in Asian Millennium or Asian Decade?

It is also noted that:

Your article implies that those who do not accept that everything has to be explainable in terms of science are wrong, and thus unsuitable to be teachers. However;

While science (which seeks mathematical laws through observation / experiment) is very useful in discovering how the universe works, it has limits. And those limits are most obvious to those who study relatively rapidly changing social systems rather than those concerned with the more stable systems studied by the physical sciences. This point is explored in How solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'? Amongst other things the latter suggests that gains in information about a system through the emergence of new order, which occur relatively frequently within (say) social, biological and ecological systems but perhaps very slowly in physical systems, are incompatible with the scientific view that outcomes are simply determined by the initial state of a system and (usually mathematical) scientific laws which do not permit any increase or decrease in information. In particular, it seems that economists fail to develop adequate understanding of economic growth because economics tries to be a 'real science' like physics and to discover 'laws' governing the behaviour of economic systems, rather than recognising that the better goal is to change the way such systems operate - ie to change, rather than discover, what amounts to 'scientific laws';

Thus your article's claim that science is the ultimate arbiter of what should be taught to students needs to be recognised to be a dogma. [In a 2010 exchange with the president of the Atheist Foundation of Australia, he claimed that Atheism had no a priori claims / dogma. However that exchange revealed mainly that he was not aware of the dogma on which his arguments were based - see Atheism's Claims];

Ethics / philosophy classes, as an alternative to Special Religious Education which provides a Christian perspective, would not simply teach children to think. Such ethics / philosophy classes would encourage children to see themselves (or their ethics / philosophy teachers) as moral authorities. And blocking human claims to moral authority (because Judeo-Christian teachings recognise that individuals are ultimately responsible to God for the morality of their actions) is critical to the individual liberty that has been built into Australia's legal and government institutions and provided immense political and economic advantages for reasons suggested in Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions (andAccidentally Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Addendum K: Problems with Freedom of Religion

Problems with Freedom of Religion - email sent 10/5/12

Dan Hessler

Re: When freedom of religion becomes bullying, Online Opinion, 3/5/12

I noted your concern with the current rights that Christian schools have to discriminate in favour of staff whose lifestyles are compatible with what those schools argue is Christian values. You suggested that: (a) discrimination leads to adverse consequences for gay and lesbian individuals; and (b) people should be able to worship as they like providing this does not adversely affect others.

An extract on adverse consequences: "In what is reportedly the first systematic review and analysis of suicidality and depressive symptoms in sexual minority youth, Dr Michael Marshal PhD from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine in Pennsylvania conducted an analysis of nineteen studies that included a total of 122,995 participants. He says, "gay and lesbian individuals experience much more violence, discrimination, and victimization than heterosexual teenagers, which in turn leads to increased stress and feelings of helplessness and hopelessness that can develop into depression and [suicide]." He also argues that gay teens are socially marginalized and ostracized from mainstream social groups and, as a result, they gravitate to "fringe" social groups, where there tends to be more risky behaviour, including drug and alcohol use."

I should like to suggest that the issue is more complex than your article indicated. There is not only a need to study to the stresses that sexual minority youth face (eg 'suicidality and depressive symptoms'), but also to study the source of those stresses, because it seems likely that both the stresses they face and their homosexual behaviour itself may often have a common cause (ie abuse / neglect as children) - see Public Acceptance of Homosexual Behaviour. The latter also suggests that, because of this and another link with child abuse, the public acceptance of homosexual behaviour seems morally indefensible.

Moreover, in relation to exercising freedom (eg in matters of religion) where this does not adversely affect others, it is noted that:

The erosion of ethical standards in the Australian community is leading to many serious social symptoms (including child abuse and bullying), and this is putting at risk the legal and governmental institutions based on individual liberty that have provided huge economic and political advantages to Australians in the past (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty). .

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Addendum L: Eclipsing Liberty?

Eclipsing Liberty? - email sent 12/5/12

Rodney Croome,

Re: 'Eclipsing the religious right', Online Opinion, 4/5/12

I should like to offer a couple of comments on your suggestions that the parliamentary inquiries into marriage equality are likely to permanently eclipse the religious right's influence on Australian politics.

First it is unwise to try to make long term projections about Australia's political system when that system is has clearly been struggling in trying to cope with its challenges (eg see Recognising the Need for Nation Building - in Australia's Governance Crisis and the Need for Nation Building). The latter presents suggestions about the nature of the problem and what might be required to repair Australia's system of government. It includes, for example, reference to: (a) dubious responses to strategic issues because of superficial assessment they received; and (b) the trend towards political populism (ie the adoption of policies that sound trendy but don't actually have good results in practice) because issues are extremely complex. And there seems to be little doubt that the issues involved in same-sex marriage have also received only superficial assessment (eg see Same-sex Civil Unions: Endorsing Child Abuse?).

It can also be noted that other observers are pointing to potential weaknesses in the democratic process related to a lack of collective fiscal discipline (eg see Monk P., How we can save democracy, The Age, 11/5/12).

Second it is highly desirable to keep religion out of politics (whether that of the 'religious right' or any other) for reasons suggested in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics. Moreover religion has largely been able to be kept out of politics in the past because: (a) there was very widespread Christian adherence within the community; and (b) the Judeo-Christian tradition is apparently unique in enabling a high level of separation between religion and the state, because of the expectation that individuals are responsible to God for the morality of their actions (eg see Cultural Foundations of Western Strength). However the erosion of Christian adherence within the community now seems to be giving rise to serious social dysfunctions, and to claims to moral wisdom and authority by various social and political elites as they seek to find ways to reduce those dysfunctions (see Moral Foundations of Individual Liberty).

And, as the latter notes, those human claims to God's moral wisdom and authority must undermine the Christian foundations of legal and governance institutions that presume individual liberty, and which have provided massive economic and political advantages in recent centuries (see also Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). There is a large range of alternative traditional and emerging religions that are seeking dominance (eg see Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?). Each of these has claims and consequences, but none seem to provide a foundation for separating claims to moral wisdom and authority from the state, and thus to creating an environment in which individual liberty can be tolerated.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Addendum M: What does secular education mean?

What does secular education mean? - email sent 21/6/12

Catherine Byrne
Macquarie University

Re: School chaplaincy case: a missed opportunity for secular education, The Conversation, 21/6/12

Your article suggested that:

"Williams' courageous act highlights the potential for change when a brave parent asks "what does secular education mean?" "

But just what does 'secular education' mean? As I interpreted it, your article implied that this might mean compulsory study of religions and ethics

However there are some problems with such a proposal, because (as I understand it) 'secular' deals with all aspects of society apart from 'religion' - so a compulsory study of 'religions and ethics' can't be considered to be 'secular' because it includes study of religions. Moreover, it has been realistically pointed out ethics / values can't be realistically taught except in the context of some sort of broad world-view. So there is a need to determine what 'broad world view' should be presented, as the foundation for presenting particular views of ethics.

This is anything easy to do because, for example:

Though Atheists claim that their world view is secular, it clearly is not because it is based on assumptions that can't be objectively established (see Celebrating a New Evangelical Religion: Atheism);

If one backs away from strict 'secular' education by allowing a general study of religions, it is anything but easy to do this reliably (see Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?'). The latter points to the fact that religions have practical consequences (which are sometimes very negative) for affected societies and these would need to be presented if students were to be reliably informed. And there are many complex world views emerging that would also need to be taken into account. Furthermore:

the ways of thinking that are the basis of different traditional religions are radically different, and not easily comprehended (eg consider the implications of the difference in epistemology between Western and East Asian societies which makes the realistic explanation of (say) Daoism, Confucianism and Shinto essentially impossible within rational / analytical Western styles of thinking);

there are consequent differences amongst traditional religions which (if they were presented in terms of the way their adherents think) make it impossible to support just one set of ethics. For example, some imply that there is a difference between good and evil, while others (eg Daoism) see good and evil as equivalent / complementary;

The ethics courses that have been developed (eg in NSW) raise difficult questions about the authority base for those teachings (see Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?). Australia's liberal legal and governance institution are founded on the absence of human claims to moral authority that is a unique feature of the Judeo-Christian tradition (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). And emerging human claims to moral authority (from the authors of ethics courses and many others who seek to 'eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so as to be godlike' - with apologies toGenesis 3) have been undermining the foundations of those institutions (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions).

In light of these complexities, I would be interested in your view of what secular education should involve.

John Craig

N: Religion Should be Taught Better

Religion Should be Taught Better - email sent 19/2/13

David Zyngier,
University of Melbourne

Re: Religion should be taught in the home, not at school, The Conversation, 18/2/13

Your article suggested that there are fundamental problems with the fact that religion (especially Christianity) is taught in Australian state schools.

I should like to suggest that the issues involved are more complex than your article indicated, because:

A communities' culture (including religion) has practical consequences, and widespread Christian adherence is foundational to the liberal legal and government institutions that have benefited Australians;

It is highly desirable to promote inclusiveness in Australian society, but not to promote uncritical acceptance of diverse cultures without evaluating, and promoting awareness of, their practical consequences;

There are many advantages in maintaining a separation of church and state (as your article suggested). However this is not something that governments can promote unilaterally, but depends on churches' success in promoting widespread Christian adherence in the community;

Declining Christian adherence is putting Australia's liberal institutions and secular state (and the political and economic advantages these provide) at serious risk;

While there may be inadequacies in the way religion is currently taught in schools, the fundamental challenge is to do better.

The above points are developed further on my web-site.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig
Detailed Comments
A key factor to consider is that culture (including religion) has practical consequences. And one of the consequences of widespread Christian adherence in a community is that it is possible to have 'liberal' legal and governmental institutions - for reasons suggested Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions (2010). And those institutions (which presume individual liberty and separate the church from a secular state) have been vital to the progress that Western societies have achieved in recent centuries, because they have enabled rationality, ie the manipulation of abstract concepts as a means for problem solving, to be: (a) a reasonably reliable basis for individual initiative; and (b) reasonably successful also in dealing with the simplified roles of a secular state (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strength in Competing Civilizations).

Liberal institutions (ie those built on a presumption of responsible individual behaviour without state / communal coercion) are not possible other than under Judeo-Christian traditions - as human authority always otherwise seems to be claimed for defining the nature of and / or enforcing 'moral' behaviour by individuals (eg by tribal elders, social elites, divine kings, communities).

There is, as your article suggested great value in promoting inclusiveness in Australian society. However this should focus on individuals and should not involve endorsing diverse cultures without considering (and ensuring that there is wide understanding of) the practical consequences of general adherence to particular cultures. Australia's approach to multiculturalism needs reconsideration, because the consequences of an uncritical approach can be very serious - eg to perpetuate disadvantage and / or promote violence (see Moving Australia Beyond Traditional Multiculturalism). While I am not familiar with the UK practice that you mentioned, ie trying to teach 'world religions' in schools, I would suspect that doing so adequately would be almost super-humanly difficult because of the complexities involved (see Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?).

There is, as your article also suggested, a great deal to be gained by separating church and state, but this outcome depends on churches ensuring widespread Christian adherence in the community. It is not valid to suggest that governments can ensure the separation of church and state by discouraging Christian proselytizing in schools or elsewhere. It may well be that Access Ministries (and similar groups) are not doing an effective job through religious education in schools, and / or that other methods would be more effective. However, if so, the challenge (for those who wish to promote a separation of church and state and maintain the advantages that flow from liberal institutions and a secular state) is to find more effective ways to promote widespread and genuine Christian adherence in the community (see also Get God out of the Classroom: Good Luck with That!).

O: Challenges Facing the Secular Party

Challenges Facing the Secular Party - email sent 16/8/13

John Perkins,
President,
Secular Party of Australia

As I understand it, the Secular Party seeks to 'question beliefs, in a reasoned manner, as part of political debate' and has policies that focus on promoting 'true separation of church from state, ensuring freedom of and from religion, and a liberal, secular democracy".

I should like to submit for your consideration that:

'questioning beliefs' (while highly desirable) is more complex than is indicated by material on the Secular Party's web-site;

while separating church and state is also desirable (eg for reasons suggested in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics), the Secular Party's web-site suggests that it may at present inadvertently be headed in the opposite direction. There is absolutely nothing unusual about politicians' policies generating unexpected and counter-intuitive consequences;

the Secular Party could most effectively achieve its goal of a truly secular state by helping in non-state efforts to promote widespread Christian adherence in the community.

My reasons for suggesting this are detailed further on my web-site. I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Detailed Comments

The Secular Party's views on religion on its web-site suggested that:

"The Secular Party is not anti-religion in the sense that we believe that people should be free to indulge their beliefs, provided they do not infringe the rights of others. We support freedom of religion. We also recognise that, as with any freedom, there are inevitable limitations that must be applied to this freedom in support of the public good. Where religious practitioners err, we contend, is in presuming that the supposed authenticity of their beliefs gives rise to a right to impose their beliefs on others.

Belief in religion requires faith. Faith is not necessarily a virtue. Beliefs can be tested on the basis of reason and evidence. The Secular Party reserves the right to question beliefs, in a reasoned manner, as part of the political debate.

We concede that in providing psychological consolation and in inspiring charitable works, the practice of belief may be beneficial. We also contend that by invoking needless fear and guilt, in hindering progress, and in fostering social division and violence, religions are on balance harmful to society. We doubt they are necessary. In the 21st century we can aspire to do better.

The Secular Party seeks a harmonious and peaceful world. It is undeniable that some extremist religious beliefs can cause harm. We contend that it is not wrong to raise questions about the nature of belief, and that in some cases this must be done in order to seek to counter the harm that religions cause.

While in an ideal world we might prefer that all religious practices and freedoms should be conducted in private between consenting adults, we are realistic enough to accept that this will not be achieved. However we certainly think that curtailing government support, endorsement, subsidy and promotion of religion is possible. This is what we advocate."

The Secular Party seems to be making a political issue of religion (eg by endorsing the Party's right to question others' beliefs in political debate and apparently seeking political action to prevent anyone imposing their beliefs on others if they are incompatible with the beliefs of those who founded the Secular Party). This is not likely to promote separation of church and state (see Can Political Activism Separate Church and State?). The latter suggested that building effective 'religious' institutions that are independent of / not reliant on the state is more likely than politicising religion to ensure that Australia retains / develops liberal governmental and legal institutions that are truly 'secular' (ie concerned with all aspects of society other than religion).

There is no doubt that the Secular Party's core goal of questioning beliefs is desirable. Beliefs, cultural systems and world-views (including religions) do not usually simply affect individuals separately and in private. Rather they have a major effect on societies as a whole because they affect: people's goals and aspirations; the way they understand reality (and thus how they go about solving problems, and whether they can develop technologies); their ability to learn, to cope with risk and to change; the way people relate; the scope for initiative; and the institutions a society maintains (see Culture Matters in Competing Civilizations).

While 'freedom of religion' for individuals is desirable, the post-modern ignorance of the practical consequences of beliefs, cultural systems and world views (eg of religions) that has been maintained by most students of the humanities and social sciences (perhaps out of a desire to not offend believers) can be extremely damaging (eg see Moving Australia Beyond Traditional Multiculturalism which refers amongst other things to the effect of such ignorance on perpetuating disadvantage and encouraging conflicts).

However questioning beliefs is anything but simple.

For example, the Secular Party implies that the beliefs that should be questioned are 'religions'. Yet it is hard to define the limit of 'religions' / faiths that should be questioned. The Wikipedia definition suggests that "religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to the supernatural and to spirituality". However it seems unwise to regard 'belief systems' that have no supernatural or spiritual component as being outside the scope of 'religions' / faiths that a truly secular state would need to avoid endorsing. For example:

there are many belief systems (see Religions and Belief Systems) and some conventionally-recognised 'religions', which are imposed on others through the state, have no supernatural component (eg neo-Confucianism which is an authoritarian hierarchical system for ethnic social organisation that has played a significant role in in generating economic 'miracles' in East Asia in recent decades);

Thus the Secular Party arguably needs to take a very broad approach to identifying the religions / faiths / belief systems that need to be questioned. There are moreover beliefs reflected in the views on religion that the Secular Party has itself endorsed (above) that arguably need to be questioned. For example:

Can beliefs adequately be tested on the basis of 'reason and evidence'? - as noted above 'reason, science [which theorises on the basis of observation and evidence] and critical thinking' have limitations;

Do 'religions' foster violence? While 'religion' (as simplistically understood) can at times be associated with violence, this only seems to arise where a religion is adopted as the ideological basis for seeking political power. Moreover over the last century 'religion' did not motivate the major conflicts (eg the world wars) and great tyrannies (eg those of Stalin and Pol Pot) that had the really big body-counts. Political extremists (ie those who believed that they have a great 'mission' which justifies extreme measures) have played a role in these events - but advancing what are commonly perceived to be 'religions' was not major factors in any of those 'missions'. The only significant role that 'religion' seemed to play in major 20th century conflicts and tyrannies involved: (a) Shinto (a non-theistic religion) in Japan in WWII; and (b) the Cultural Revolution in China (which involved anattempt to purge Confucianism (also a non-theistic religion) because of Mao's view that, as the prior foundation of the Chinese state, Confucianism had oppressed the Chinese people). Moreover recent clashes between Western societies and Islamist extremists can't validly be said to be based on 'religion' (see God on My Side: A Conspiracy Theory?). The internal conflicts that are currently plaguing the Muslim world are only partly justified by Islamism (ie making Islam the basis of the state in Muslim-majority nations). This is as much violence by those advocating secular states (see 'elaboration' in The Muslim World Seems to be Headed for Chaos) while the leadership in extremist groups (such as al Qa'ida) seem to be seeking ways to modernize the Muslim world by displacing Islamic fundamentalism (seeModernizing Islam). Furthermore, while Western rulers have at times coopted Christianity to support their claims to power (and thus caused Christianity to be seen as a factor in violence), this alignment is incompatible with the separation from the state that is implicit in New Testament Christianity (seeComment on Church's Mission);

Do 'religions' hinder progress? Undoubtedly some do (eg consider UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples: Perpetuating Disadvantage? and Even Moderate Islam Seems Damagingly Rigid). Yet this was not the case in relation to Western societies' rapid progress in recent centuries for reasons suggested in Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible. The latter pointed: (a) to the significance of widespread Christian adherence to the creation of liberal legal and government institutions; and (b) to fact that this increased the effectiveness of people in all walks of life by reducing the obstacles to the use of rationality as an effective means for problem solving (see also Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). It also pointed to the advantages that governments have when they are not embroiled in seeking determine the nature of, and enforce, moral interpersonal behaviour. Judeo-Christian teachings (which provide no support for imposing beliefs on others eg considerMatthew 19: 16-12 and Luke 9: 3-5 and which were never envisaged as reliant on the state) uniquely provide for moral interpersonal relationships on the basis of individual consciences responsible to God. Claims to moral authority by human elites seem otherwise to inevitably be seen to be necessary. Some thus 'eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil so as to be like god' (with apologies toGenesis 2-3) and impose their invariably-blinkered conclusions on others through the state or communal pressure. The latter tendency now unfortunately seems to be re-emerging in Australia because the Christian foundation needed for a truly secular state has been eroding (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions and Accidentally Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism?).

As the latter implies, if Australia is to gain the benefits of a truly secular state (ie one concerned with all aspects of society apart from religion), it requires strong and widespread adherence to Christianity within the community. Thus if the Secular Party is serious about ensuring the separation of church and state the most effective way to achieve this would involve:

ceasing its current efforts to make religion a political issue. While it is highly desirable to question religions / faiths / belief systems, it is impossible to have a truly secular state (ie one concerned with everything other than religion) if this questioning is undertaken in a political context;

questioning the practical consequences of its own and others' beliefs in an apolitical context, and then (on the basis of likely conclusions from such questioning);

joining those who have taken up Jesus' commission to His followers to introduce the spirit of God into individual human hearts (as also suggested in A Confident Secularist Society? , 2011). Doing so not only provides eternal benefits for individuals, but provides here and now advantages for their communities.

P: Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View

Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View - email sent 14/11/13

Daryl Passmore and Anthony Gough,
Sunday Mail
Re: 'No room in curriculum for religious study', Sunday Mail, 10/11/13
Your article was very useful in highlighting a desire by some to remove 'religious education' from Queensland's state school curriculum. However the informal 'debate' about this that your article recorded was superficial.

This 'debate' reflects serious failures in Queensland's education system. None of the contributors seemed to be aware of the importance of widespread Christian adherence in the community in relation to the emergence and sustainability of Australia's liberal legal and governmental systems - and to the current erosion of the social, political and economic advantages that have derived from these in the past.

It is submitted for your consideration that;

Though Christianity's most important implications are for individuals and relationships within communities, widespread Christian adherence potentially improves the effectiveness / efficiency of individuals in all walks of life by allowing:

liberal government / economic institutions to be created on a foundation of 'responsible liberty'; and

rationality to thus become much more useful than it otherwise is as means of problem solving;

The 'core' of the school curriculum arguably needs reconsideration. Supposedly 'core' subjects (eg English and maths) that are the tools of abstract / rational problem solving would be of much less value without the liberal institutions that widespread Christian adherence permits;

There is thus a need to upgrade Queensland's education system as a whole to give recognition to the practical implications of cultural (including religious) traditions. Students in state school who don't participate in religious education classes could perhaps spend time studying such issues (ie studying why religious education is important), rather than 'fiddling about' for one period each week as they now do;

Also Queensland's approach to religious education (whether through families, churches, schools or otherwise) needs upgrading, because declining Christian adherence has been generating serious social dysfunctions and these are increasingly:

eroding the 'responsible liberty' that liberal institutions require; and

contributing to family / community environments in which children have limited prospects of being properly educated.

Humanism (ie attempts to impose the values of human moral authorities) is not a viable alternative.

The latter points are developed further on my web-site.

John Craig
Details Implications of Christianity
The most obvious and important implications of Christianity are for individuals (eg see Mark 8:35-38 and Matthew 6: 19-21) and for their relationships with God and within families / communities (eg see Matthew 22:36-40).

However Christianity also has secondary implications in terms of potentially creating an environment in which 'liberal' institutions can be sustained (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions). The latter is based on an undoubtedly-improvable attempt (in Competing Civilizations) to consider the relationship between the progress (or lack of it) that various societies have achieved in recent centuries and prevailing cultural traditions.

The 'responsibly liberty' that the Judeo-Christian tradition sustains (because the morality of individual behaviour is presumed to be most-appropriately ensured by individual consciences responsible to God rather than through coercion by families / communities / human 'moral authorities') does not seem to exist under other (eg tribal / Islamic / East Asian) religious traditions. And 'responsible liberty' has permitted the creation of social / economic / political environments in which rationality (ie the use of abstract concepts as models of reality) has been able to be used to significantly enhance the performance of individuals in all walks of life in ways that are not otherwise possible (because rationality tends to fail in dealing with complex systems).

Those environmental simplifications involve, for example an emphasis on: individual welfare / capabilities; a secular state (ie one concerned with everything but religion); a rule of law; market institutions; and profit-focused investment. Rationality's potential failure in complex situations can be illustrated by:

the counter-intuitive responses that can result from government programs because the 'logic' of the program took no account of unsuspected feedbacks;

the failure of central economic planning - related to the inability of such 'planners' to acquire all of the information required to make appropriate decisions; and

individuals' need to second-guess the reactions of the powerful if there is no rule of law to simplify the environment in which decisions are made.

What Should Be the Core of the Curriculum?
There is a need for serious re-consideration of what needs to be the 'core' of children's education, because no recognition is currently given to the importance of widespread Christian adherence as the foundation of Australia's institutions.

This is not just a Queensland problem. For example, the so-called National 'History' Curriculum provides students with no apparent insights into the connection between Australia's institutions and its Christian heritage (see Proposed National History Curriculum: Information without Understanding? and Australia's National History Curriculum: Making Education Futile and Highlighting the Importance of Christianity?).

The latter points to the fact that what are conventionally regarded as the 'core' curriculum subjects in the education system (eg literacy, maths etc) involve the use of abstract concepts (ie of rationality) and that this doesn't work effectively except in the simplified environments that liberal social / economic / political institutions (which in turn depend on widespread Christian adherence) allow. The fact that 'liberal' institutions (and a liberal / egalitarian society) tend to be associated with education systems that seek to encourage students to understand and be rational can be illustrated by considering East Asian societies which traditionally (and often currently) have neither of these characteristics (see Asian Education and Competing Thought Cultures).
Upgrading Queensland's Education System
There is a critical need for the school curriculum to provide children with an awareness of the practical consequences of different cultural traditions (see also Moving Australia Beyond Traditional Multiculturalism). This would have the effect of informing students (including those in state schools who currently 'fiddle about' instead of participating in formal religious education) about the practical implications of religion.

The religious education of children also require higher priority generally - ie not just in state schools.

For individuals the most important question is whether a religion (such as the Christian Gospel) proclaims truth. This is not something that can be proven on the basis of rationality or science (eg because the complexity of the issue defeats 'rationality' - see also How solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'?).

However the viability of Queensland's / Australia's liberal institutions depends on the majority of the community concluding that the Christian Gospel is truth. Thus, while the state can't coerce adherence without undermining 'liberty', individual liberty (and its political / economic advantages) can't be maintained unless children have an opportunity to conclude that the Christian Gospel is truth. Whether this is best achieved through families, churches or religious education in private / state schools can be debated. The important point is that it happens.

While a secular state can not validly take any role in advancing the Christian gospel, it would have a vital role in not allowing its institutions to proclaim 'religions' which claim to be 'non-religions'. Particular attention needs to be paid to Atheism as its adherents frequently seek exemption by claiming that their religion is 'secular' (see Celebrating a New Evangelical Religion: Atheism). Proclaiming naturalistic explanations of everything (and thus denying God's role) is just as much a religion as faiths that ascribe a role to God (ie depend on assumptions that cannot be absolutely proven). It is thus important that (for example) school science curricula provide a serious and balanced account of both the strengths and limitations of naturalistic explanations of reality (eg see Problems in an Internally Deterministic Scientific Worldview).
The Need to Reduce Social Dysfunctions
Greater importance also needs to be attached to the religious education of children because declining adherence to Christianity in the community seems to be generating severe social dysfunctions (see Eroding the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions). The Narcissistic Personality Disorder (discussed in Pavey A., 'The feuding parents divorced from reality', Sunday Mail, 10/11/13), whereby parents pay no heed to their children's' welfare, is only the tip of the iceberg in relation to the breakdown of 'responsible liberty'. And evidence that this is eroding the foundations of Australia's legal and governance institutions is increasing.

Likewise the erosion of 'responsible liberty' is adversely affecting children's education. The Gonski Review identified the existence of educational disadvantage affecting individuals / regions - and recommended substantial rises / changes in educational funding. This seemed poorly advised because many factors (including social dysfunctions that derive from a loss of 'responsible liberty') are likely to be involved in generating disadvantage (and must be remedied to correct it) - see ( Gonski Review: An Example of the Limitations of Government Initiatives).

The need for a broadly based Christian foundation also follows from the increasing risk that governments will be unable to finance community expectations regarding public services and income transfer (see The Challenge and Potential Cost of Inequality and Insufficient Income). This implies a need to emphasis mutual and self-help within the community on the basis of philosophies that are compatible with Australia's liberal institutions (see The Probable Need for a Community-based Solution).
Humanism is Not a Viable Alternative
Consideration has been given for some years to teaching values in state schools that are based on human authority (see the Debate in The Importance of Values Taught in State Schools, 2004+). The latter points, amongst many other things, to the fact that 'values' can't be validated in isolation but only as part of a broad world view (ie of a religion).

Another constraint on 'humanistic' values involves its effect on eroding individual liberty when efforts have to be made to enforce those values (see Accidentally Encouraging Moral Authoritarianism) . It can be noted in passing that:

the 'fall of man' from a relationship with God was seen in the Bible to be associated with 'eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil' (ie human claims to moral authority) - Genesis 3:1-7; and

the introduction of the Mosaic Law (ie the Ten Commandments) was arguably the historical start of a process of liberating individuals from state and communal moral coercion (ie because God's law blocks human claims to moral authority) - see The Emergence and Advantages of Responsible Liberty .

Practical problems with 'humanistic' values can also be illustrated by informal reports of the 'values' being developed at a state school in Brisbane. This involved a long list of detailed do's and don'ts. This was equivalent to the detailed prescriptive moral legalism that Jesus' simplification of the moral law down to the so-called Great Commandments had reformed. The school also felt obliged to call upon local churches to validate their 'humanistic' values and did not seem to respond to suggestions that they seemed too prescriptive. A long list of do's and don'ts constitutes an inflexible 'moral destination', whereas Jesus' Great Commandments constituted a 'moral compass' (ie a sense of direction - love God and love your neighbour as yourself) that both: (a) embodied the spirit of the earlier Law; and (b) could be used to guide decisions in new circumstances.

Q: Heckling Christ: An Opportunity to Change Society for the Better! +

Heckling Christ: An Opportunity to Change Society for the Better! - email sent 2/2/14

Josh Ladgrove

There is nothing new about heckling Jesus. He was radical outsider who proclaimed the Kingdom of God (which eroded claims to unfettered power by the god-kings and imperial cults of his day). As well as creating a 'lighter burden' for people to bear ( Matthew 11:30), Jesus also emphasised the value of, and empowered, those on the bottom of society. The powers of the day were not amused by this challenge from the 'fringe' and arranged his crucifixion in about 30 CE. In that process Jesus was reportedly heckled by mobs near Jerusalem (eg see Matthew, 27:39, Mark 15:32 and Luke 23:35-36).

Though the ancient hecklers had no way to know it, history shows that Jesus was right in what he claimed about the consequences those events ( John 12: 32). The effect on the world was massive (eg consider impacts such as those explored in: Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View (an Australian perspective); and Mangalwadi V., The Book that Made Your World (an Indian perspective); and in many other sources). Jesus' life, teachings, crucifixion and resurrection have been the foundation on which ordinary people ultimately gained freedom from elites' claims of authority on the basis of their presumed-superior moral wisdom. And that freedom has translated into huge social, economic and political benefits (eg see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual).

Might I suggest that after the audiences that your shows attract have finished heckling 'Jesus', it might be worth quietly reminding them that there are serious issues at stake - both for individuals and for societies as a whole. After Jesus had been crucified, the mobs of hecklers repented when the significance of what they had been doing was explained to them (see Acts 2: 22-41).

I am sure that organisers of the AdelaideFringe (and key supporters such as the Government of SA and the Bank of SA) would agree that Jesus' example of ministry to, and empowerment of, those on the fringes of society in the face of the claims of would-be moral authoritarians and thoughtless hecklers deserves to be highlighted whenever possible.

John Craig

Response from Josh Ladgrove - 2/2/14 - reproduced with permission

What a beautifully written and well thought out e-mail. I sincerely thank-you for it.

To be frank, I've never considered any of my comedy (I've been doing another character called Dr. Professor Neal Portenza for 4 years, and it's the silliest thing you could imagine) to be encouraging of social, political, philosophical or theological debate, and in spite of the title of this show, it was only ever meant to be a very light-hearted opportunity to reverse the dynamics of comedy performance allowing the audience to drive the evening's events, rather than the performer.

My role will simply be to respond to the heckles, and ironically, I will likely end up defending Christ more often than not, and I'm also hopeful that many other non religious topics will be yelled and heckled. For example, in Melbourne Fringe, the most controversial heckle was someone who spoiled the ending of Breaking Bad. One can never dictate how the audience will respond.

Whilst I appreciate that the show might be an opportunity to remind the audience to consider with piety the social implications of their words and actions, I have always strongly believed that it's not my place to do so. Many comedians, performers, musicians and writers do a much better job than I could ever hope to. I am just a provider of stupidity. That's really all I consider myself. This show was (and I mean this very, very sincerely) intended as a religious attack, not intended to get cheap publicity (remember it didn't receive 1 complaint in Melbourne) and is not for me an exercise in chastising Christ.

It would be remiss of me to underplay the importance that predominantly Judeo-Christian values have played (and indeed continue to play) in shaping modern Western liberal democracies. However, it would also be remiss of us not to consider the many failures of (particularly the Catholic) the Church in defending those most vulnerable at times. I am aware of some of the beautiful work Christian organisations undertake, particularly with providing support to asylum seekers, which is something I have an infinite amount of respect for, and so that's why this show isn't designed as an attack. None of us are perfect. Sometimes we need to laugh at ourselves to remember life is a strange journey and that we ought not always take ourselves so seriously.

Again, thank-you for the kind response, have a great day

Josh Ladgrove

R: It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities +

It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities - email sent 27/2/14

Cathy Byrne
Southern Cross University

Your article raised questions about the adequacy of current approaches to religious education in Australia. However the issues are arguably even more complicated.

As your article suggests there is undoubtedly a need for greater understanding of 'different religions, non-religious world views and ethical systems'. However such understanding needs to give particular emphasis to the practical consequences of those various world-views - for reasons suggested, for example, in Moving Australia Beyond Traditional Multiculturalism.

Unfortunately contributions to such practical understanding seem to have been suppressed in the humanities and social science faculties of Western universities in recent decades as the result of the widespread acceptance of 'post-modern' ideologies. The latter appear to be characterised by viewing supposed 'knowledge' about society as largely or simply social constructs (ie a reflection of elite opinion rather than having any real-world consequences). This post-modern world-view in turn excuses a lack of applied research / realism and has clearly had seriously adverse consequences. The controversy that erupted some years ago at QUT about what some saw as the collapse of concern for real-world knowledge as a result of the dominance of post-modern world-views illustrated the problem (see A Crisis in Education at QUT? 2007) though the adverse effects are far broader than mere matters of academic controversy (eg see Eroding the Foundations of Western Culture and of a Liberal International Order and Cultural Ignorance as a Source of Conflict). Uncritical acceptance of post-modern ideologies has also arguably resulted in very poor returns from the community's investment in Australia's universities - and this is one of the pressing justifications for reform of those institutions (eg see A Case for Restoring Universities).

Unfortunately also your article seems to reflect a post-modern assumption that all world-views are equally valid and valuable. Suggesting otherwise appears to be seen as a rejection of human equality. It was implied that it was wrong to suggest that there were material differences between religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, Confucianism and Islam. There was no mention of the dramatic differences between the effects that different world-views have on societies. Economists realistically regard information / knowledge as the key factor in economic growth. However different world-views have quite different assumptions about the nature and use of information / knowledge - thus implying that culture will have a major effect of different societies' economic potential and performance (eg see Culture Matters in Competing Civilizations). Christianity's founder transformed the world (and this ultimately, amongst other things, created the social foundations for what became Western civilization) by valuing and empowering those on the bottom rungs of society as potential children of God (see Heckling Christ: An Opportunity to Change Society for the Better!). Confucianism requires the existence of a social hierarchy dominated by intellectual elites which: (a) is incompatible with Australia's egalitarian traditions; and (b) has been / remains a source of tension (eg see Communism Versus Confucianism: The Continuing Contest in China). The way in which Islam is enforced seems to suppress the individual differences / initiative / innovation required for social, economic and political progress (see Saving Muslims from Themselves) and to be incompatible with Australia's liberal traditions. It is simply naïve to imply that all world-views are equally valid and valuable. And a core element of the 'enlightenment' of Buddhism founder was that reality was so complex that attempts at understanding were futile - which was anything but a basis for the development of science or rationality.

If (as your article suggested) schools should teach about 'different religions, non-religious world-views and ethical systems' it would be irresponsible and misleading not to highlight their practical consequences. Doing this would be well beyond generalist teachers (see Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?). Thus a cadre of specialists would presumably need to be created who would, in effect, be charged with promulgating what would become an official state world-view / religion. The notion of a secular state (ie one concerned with everything but religion) and the practical advantages of the separation of church and state would disappear.

There is none-the-less no doubt about your article's conclusion (ie that there is a need for a serious review of Australia's approach to religious education). However the nature and emphasis of such a review needs to be quite different to that suggested in your article (eg perhaps along the lines outlined in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View , 2013). Even though the allegations of 'religious extremism' that you cited (such as 'a Pentecostal quest to create a totalitarian fundamentalist Christian society') may be a bit extreme, the necessary re-examination would, amongst other things, presumably reveal a need to improve religious instruction programs in schools. However reform would have to be a matter for religious groups. As implied above, government authorities (eg education agencies) could not present themselves as the experts on religious instruction without breaking the separation of church and a secular state that has been critical to the many benefits gained from Australia's liberal institutions. Churches arguably need to get their acts together. But they, not Australia's hopefully-secular state, have to be the ones to do this.

Universities have the potential to make a major contribution also - once the need to expel religious naivety is recognised.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Response from Cathy Byrne - 28/2/14 - Reproduced with permission

Many thanks for your detailed response to my article. Your comments raise large and complex issues that I cannot address in a simple email and I am rather pressed for time. However, I thought I would at least respond to a few things that you have raised and I hope you forgive my inability to do so in great detail.

As you highlight, there are significant shortfalls with 'post-modern' ideologies. However, rather than arguing that all world-views are equally valid and valuable. I would propose that many more religious world views than are currently given credence are at least worth studying in a critical and exploratory fashion. That does not necessarily mean that they are equally valuable, just worthy of investigation.

My reference to Mr Donnelly's concern, about "Christianity ... (being) treated as one religion among many" does not deny material differences between religions. I was pointing rather to the assumption that Christianity is assumed by some to be superior and to therefore have privileges within education. My point is that such privilege cannot not be justified. Unfortunately a 1000 word piece does not allow an analysis of the influence on society of different religions and world views.

Might I suggest that your insight regarding different world-views having different assumptions about the nature of information, knowledge and culture gives a rather post-modern take on social constructivism.

Christianity's founder may indeed have contributed to transforming the world - as did Siddhartha Gautama and many Hindu sages and Islamic mystics. I never implied that all world-views are equally valid and valuable - only equally worthy of study and balanced critical analysis. Certainly, a world view held by a Hindu is as valid and valuable to that person as the Christian worldview is to a Christian.

I agree with you that schools that teach about 'different religions, non-religious world-views and ethical systems' must also examine the practical consequences of those world views. I would suggest that this must be done through the eyes of the practitioners and from within the cultural perspective of those being studied. Not in some orientalist fashion (ie by only Christian teachers). I also believe that specialist teachers could be charged with the task (as in many modern western societies: Canada, England, Sweden, Denmark, Norway). In England, many religious and non-religious groups participate in this process.

I question your notion of a secular state. I define secular in relation to education as non-doctrinal, inclusive, designed and delivered by the state. A secular state can, and must, be concerned with religion if religion is an issue in the public sphere. To ensure that one religion does not dominate in a plural and diverse society, the state must engage and facilitate dialogue and democratic fairness. A neutral position is possible and emphasises values of democracy and inclusion.

Reform cannot be left to religious groups - they have had their turn for the last 150 years - and, as my evidence shows, things are getting worse, not better. In this endeavour, education agencies need not present themselves as the experts, but could work with religious and non-religious groups to ensure that significant groups are represented, able to participate and yet - be critiqued in an educationally sound and accountable manner. It wouldn't hurt that teachers were better trained in the field.

Australia's increasingly less-secular state education agencies, must be the ones to do this, because, they are the ones with the mechanisms of accountability to the people - who are increasingly more diverse and less religious. If this is left to the religious groups, then those with the lobbying power, resources and 'soldiers' will do as they have done, and worse.

More on: It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities - email sent 2/3/14

Cathy

Thanks for your comments. Unless you have an objection I would like to reproduce your email on my web-site (ie with It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities).

The issues involved here are very complex. They arguably ultimately come down to questions about the limitations of human understanding of the complexity of the universe - limitations (and alternatives) that were mentioned, for example, in Job 38 and 1 Corinthians 1:22-25. Those limitations were also a major feature of Buddhist 'enlightenment' (eg consider teachings on ' dependent origination' - related to the multiplicity of 'causes' of anything), though as noted below Buddhism provides no means to escape them.

I would like to offer a couple of comments on the particular points you have raised:

Kevin Donnelly's claim that Christianity can't be treated as just another religion in Australia is valid. The Judeo-Christian tradition is unique in ascribing moral authority to God (eg consider Matthew 7, Luke 6: 37 and John 8) and avoiding moral legalism (eg considerMatthew 22:35-40 and Mark 12:28-34). Blocking human attempts to claim moral authority (ie claims on the basis of superior understanding, high social status or anything else) has major implications in terms of allowing (and, given injunctions such asMatthew 6: 19-21, perhaps even forcing) the creation of social systems built around ordinary individuals rather than around any presumed-superior elite (eg god-kings, bureaucrats or philosophers). The resulting social institutions free individuals from much of the world's complexity (eg the need to consider the reactions of the powerful) and thereby artificially simplify the decisions that individuals need to make. This in turn: (a) helps to reduce the limitations on rationality that complexity otherwise imposes; and (b) ultimately has the effect of raising the effectiveness of individuals in all walks of life (see Cultural Foundations of Western Strengths: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual, 2001+). The 'liberal' institutions that exist in countries such as Australia have, and depend on, a Christian foundation (ie the existence of a community in which responsible behaviour by individuals is presumed without reliance on control by human moral authorities) - see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions. The erosion of that Christian moral foundation in recent decades, and the resulting emergence of ever-more-intrusive human claims to moral authority, poses a major risk to the effectiveness of Australia's social, economic and political institutions (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions, 2003+);

There is value, as you suggested, in studying various religions / world views in a critical / exploratory fashion. But one should not thereby expect to reach reliable conclusions about the validity of those religions / world views - because the issues involved are too complex. The limitations of human rationality (ie attempts to understand reality in terms of abstract concepts) are well recognised in management, economic and public administration literature. There are similar limitations in human attempts to understand the natural world through science (for reasons suggested in Problems in an Internally Deterministic Scientific Worldview). The latter (which is anything but well recognised) comes down to the fact that there are always influences from outside any given system (which the internally deterministic laws of science don't take into account) which affect the creation of the order that is the source of causal relationships which can be: (a) discovered as 'laws of nature'; or (b) observed as the homeostatic feedbacks that allow ecological / biological systems to exist. There is mystery in this beyond what humanity can discover by reason and science. Penetrating that mystery requires faith or revelation - not just study of religions and world-views which represent human attempts to understand those intrinsic mysteries;

As noted above, recognition of the limits that natural / social interconnection (ie complexity) placed on understanding was a major feature of Siddhartha Gautama's 'enlightenment' (ie themultiplicity of causes of anything implied an inability to discover the simple causality that statements of 'truth' contain). However, though Buddhism recognised these constraints, it did not lead to a way to overcome them - because there was no perception of anything beyond the natural world and human society. Recognition of God beyond the natural world permitted consideration of truth beyond the world's complexity, and thus permitted the creation of social arrangements in which reason (despite its intrinsic limitations) actually worked fairly well. Without that broader perspective, social arrangements to facilitate effective use of reason would not have been created, and humanity's entrapment in the incomprehensible complexity that Buddhism proclaims would have been self-fulfilling;

It can noted also that while Judaism and Islam perceive God's creative influence beyond the complexity of the natural and social worlds, neither are free of the moral legalism which seems to afflict all human attempts to define what is 'good'. Moreover:

Judaism is limited to a fairly closed group - whereas Christianity extended Judaism's foundation to all humanity;

though Islam has strong Judeo-Christian roots, it does not free individuals from human moral authoritarianism- see Liberty and Islam in Australia (2014);

It is not a case of giving Christianity privileges within education. It is more a case of recognising that Christianity is the foundation on which social institutions can be erected within which the approach to education that is adopted in Australia (ie one that seeks to facilitate individual understanding) can be effective. Reasons for this were suggested in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View. Thus it is not a case of Christianity depending on what is done within the education system. Rather the effectiveness of what Australia's education system does ultimately depends on widespread Christian adherence in the community (because this allows the operation of social institutions in which rationality / understanding can be useful in decision making to the extent that they are);

I question your notion of a secular state. 'Secular' conventionally implies that the state plays no role in questions of religion - but deals with everything else. If the state is free of religious entanglements it can be vastly more effective (see Why the separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective and see also Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics). Secular does not imply that the state should get involved in religion to ensure that what is officially / politically regarded as a proper balance of religions / world views is promoted. If the state tries to influence the way religions / world views are presented, it would be involved in promoting an official (perhaps composite) 'religion'. It would thus also need to ensure (somehow) that individuals behaved in accordance with the teachings of that composite religion - or behavioural standards would collapse. Putting ideals into practice could not be left to individual consciences responsible to God as Judeo-Christian teachings require. This would be fatal to the sort of liberal institutions that Australia has benefited from. When in the past kings sought to co-opt the influence of Christianity as a means for promoting allegiance to their regimes, the result was hardly liberal or particularly beneficial. There are many current examples of states seeking to influence religious adherence amongst their peoples. North Korea is a particularly brutal example but more moderate examples can also be considered. For example, it is understood that government in India tries to ensure a balance amongst all religions (and gets involved in enforcing the moral rules of each faith). This apparently leads to significant problems and to pressure for government to adopt a genuinely secular approach - see Secularism in India. And Sweden, as you noted, is one of the countries where government's idea of a 'secular' state is to require education about all major religions in public schools. Someobservations about Sweden's predicament follow this email;

There is no doubt that churches have not done a particularly effective job in relation to religious education recently. This is partly because universities (which Christian churches established to spread advanced knowledge within society) have been pushing in different directions because they have suffered from both excessive and insufficient faith in human understanding. The need for a different approach was the point of my earlier email.

John Craig
Sweden: An Example of 'Secular' Education
Sweden is one of the countries where government requires education about all major religions in public schools (see also Religion in Sweden). The latter also notes that: (a) Sweden has a long history of state involvement in religion - as Lutheranism was the state religion until 2000; (b) about 67% of Swedish citizens are Church of Sweden members - down from 83% in 2000; (c) active involvement in church activities is very low (eg 4%); (d) religion is generally treated with 'benign indifference'; and (e) Sweden's constitution provides for freedom of religion - and government protects this right and does not tolerate abuse or religious discrimination.

Sweden was seen by one observer as the 'ultimate nanny state' [ 1] - ie the state itself seeks to ensure right behaviour and that all citizens benefit from what society achieves. One critic suggested that the (welfare) state has morally corrupted Swedish youth - eliminating the sense of responsibility that their grandparents had had and replacing this with a sense of expectation that their rights would be ensured by the state [ 1].

However poverty and inequality have been rising rapidly in recent years (op cit). Youth (ie under 25's) unemployment is 24%. This, while not as bad as Spain's 40%, is the highest in Europe relative to overall unemployment (8%). This is seen (by employers and unions) as a structural problem reflecting the education system's failure to adequately prepare students - and difficulties getting the experience that is needed to be valued in the job market [ 1]

Sweden's perceptions of social equality was shattered in May 2013 by a week of violent riots in Stockholm - as a reflection of immigrant concerns about unjust treatment and the effect of Europe's economic and financial crisis. Over 1/3 of youth in immigrant districts have no job. Government has been forced to implement austerity measures after 2008 (eg reducing unemployment benefits and health care subsidies). The problems are most apparent in affordable housing suburbs that were built in the 1960s and 1970s - that were initially occupied by poorer Swedes but now (because of Sweden's liberal immigration policies) are mainly occupied by immigrants. The financially weaker segments of society have been badly hurt by necessary austerity measures [ 1].

A moral vacuum has been seen to have emerged in Sweden that will be hard to fill. The Social Democrats rejected God, while the neo-liberals rejected societal values. Political corruption has been exposed. Privatisation of old peoples' homes has led to scandals (eg a refusal by one provider to replace incontinence pads until weighing showed them to be full). Conformism is rife in Sweden. Foreigners complain about this and assume that it comes from above - but it seems innate. Faith in God has been replaced by faith in the future. Social control worked because everyone was seen to be subject to the same authority (ie the law and the future). Sweden's problem now is that it is easier to destroy structures of mutual obligation than it is to re-build them [ 1].

Friends of the present writer intend to bring their Swedish born children to Australia (the mother's home) for schooling because Sweden's system is seen to excessively promote rote learning, rather than teaching students to think independently [personal communication].

Sweden seems to be facing challenges similar in some ways to those in Australia (ie serious economic disruption and a community dependent to an increasingly unaffordable level of government welfare transfers). Arguably one of the keys to coping with these emerging challenges is a capable and responsible community (which was one of the points raised in Australia's Competitiveness: Some Suggestions, 2013). The latter suggested why churches must play a major role in achieving this. Sweden's problem is arguably more severe because of recent disregard of its Christian heritage. A good place to start would probably be with a review of whether public schools should teach about all major world religions without concern for their real-world impact.

Further Reply to Cathy Byrne - email sent 3/3/14

Thanks [for permission to add your comments to my website]. .... If at some stage you do have time to comment further, please do so.

Some feedback that I received from another source might be of interest.

"Can I just give you a couple of comments on the RI scene as it is incorrectly spoken about in that article? I comment on the highlighted bit in the article, and can only speak about Queensland I am afraid. In Queensland, there is a State Education Group which oversees RI (They are the ones who changed it back from RE to RI!!) School Class teachers are required (and in my 40 years of experience always have) to stay in the classroom for all RI classes. Most RI these days is becoming Ecumenical and thus a general Christian education syllabus is required of the teachers and overseen fairly rigorously by the relevant ministerial body; eg Kenmore District Churches Together type of thing. (I guess there are areas where a strong Pentecostal or fundamentalist type church could get into a school where the main stream churches have failed and "do their own thing" unfortunately!!- and this can do the whole Christian scene a huge damage). Parents who are dissatisfied can freely withdraw their children from RI classes."

John Craig

Response from Cathy Byrne - email sent 3/3/14

Re your last commentator: parents who 'freely' withdraw their child from class are often left having to manage the feelings of exclusion that the child will feel and thus it is not such a free choice. The child is generally not permitted to undertake project work in the curriculum. thus, the 'opportunity cost' of RI is borne by those who opt out and who are barred from meaningful learning. In some instances the RI class is taken by the principal. How 'free' then is the parent's choice?

Detailed analyses of the problems with the RI policies in each state are available in my book. I do hope you can get a copy.

Reply to Cathy Byrne - email sent 3/3/14

Thanks. Some suggestions about what could be done to prevent those who opt out from being barred from meaningful learning were in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View. And while there are undoubtedly problems in current RI arrangements, finding a solution requires such a 'bigger picture' perspective.

John Craig

Response from Anne Tennock - 27/2/14 - Reproduced with Permission

Thanks indeed for this. It is also worth noting that Federal Government funding of private schools is enabling the funding of some very religiously extreme schools. It is quite probably the case that the bulk of the funding is going to fund religious schools.

We got a brief insight into the poor quality of religious education in our local state school when we had a close look at the curriculum materials. Rather than raising ethical, sacred or compassionate issues for genuine consideration, it was basically about 'colouring in pictures of "Jesus" on a donkey'. Even at this level, it seemed a gross misrepresentation of historical life at the time.

I'm just reviewing the programming for a radio station I volunteer with. I've also volunteered with another. It is worth noting that evangelism is highly active in this area too. Most community radio stations have now been bought up by religious bodies for religious programming. On those not owned by religious bodies, they may pay well to place religious programmes in substantial amounts of each day.

I was very distressed when 'my' university was (it certainly appears to me) "taken over" by Saudi funding pushing a strong Islamic line. Big amounts of money buys a lot of looking the other way and forgetting academic rigour. As a feminist who fought in the '70s for freedoms for women, words cannot express my feelings when my university's alumni magazine arrives with the front cover promoting women in Islamic headscarves.

We love the religious talks on the ABC by Rachel Conn (is that how you spell her name?) which are wide-ranging. We read widely on religion, and equally (or more) widely on science, history and philosophy. Naive evangelism and fundamentalism seem to be the heart of the problem. I'm quite certain that there are real battles going on to win territory in our nation's hearts and minds, and the battles are by different faiths (Christian and Islamic mainly) and target through multiple channels and through our children. Extreme rationalism unfortunately has also brought us great problems.

We're not very fond of people who label themselves 'skeptics', mainly because when we go along to talks they put on they seem to be missing whole levels of understanding of the human condition. This is something I am constantly confronted with. We mix with a very wide range of groups, and the one that ultimately impresses me most is a Catholic/interfaith group concerned with social justice. Quite remarkable people who arrive at places that sheer intellectualism, religious fundamentalism, or capitalism miss every time.

Let me finish with a true story about a child I've had close contact with. This little girl had a brilliant mind, and by age six I was able to read her advanced science in correct scientific language (I did have to brush up my own scientific knowledge!) and she got the lot and synthesized it and extrapolated. Then she went to school, and had problems because she wasn't thinking the same way as other kids. Her psychologist (!) recommended she be given cosmetic catalogues and girlie magazines to read (which included comics with girls saying things like "Don't worry if you can't do tests. None of us can.") and sent to sleep each night with Christian radio playing very quietly in her room. Within a brief time she was "cured" and became brain-dead like the rest. She is enjoying indoctrination of a very poor quality every evening as she sleeps and her brain is truly receptive.

This is big stuff.

S: Stand Up, Reach Out

Stand Up, Reach Out - email sent 8/3/14

Rohan Salmond,
Cross-platform Editor, Journey
Re: 'Stand up, Speak out', Journey, March 2014 (p3)
Your article drew attention to the Uniting Church's reputation for social justice advocacy. It then mentioned various concerns about infringement of the rights of vulnerable people (ie those associated with: (a) the Intervention in the Northern Territory; (b) Queensland's amendments to the Youth Justice Act; and (c) the death of an asylum seeker at the Manus island detention centre).

I would like to suggest that the answer to your final question ('How do we as Christians, let these injustices continue?') is contained in your opening observation about the Uniting Church's 'reputation for social justice advocacy'. The Church's emphasis on political advocacy (which involves reliance on the 'Kingdoms of this World') is much less effective in achieving social justice (or anything else) than an emphasis on spreading the Kingdom of God would be.

This can be illustrated by considering the very real problems of educational inequality in Australia that were the focus of the 2011 Gonski Review. The latter recommended a large increase in / redistribution of funding for schools and a reorganisation of schooling. However the educational inequality that was being targeted largely reflected social / family dysfunctions that could be corrected by spreading the Kingdom of God but not successfully addressed by the 'Kingdoms of this World' (see Gonski Review: An Example of the Limitations of Government Initiatives).

The inability of the 'Kingdoms of this World' to achieve social justice can be further illustrated by the predicament of Australians with indigenous ancestry. The 'Kingdoms of this World' can provide welfare support and enact laws declaring such people's 'rights'. But welfare can create dependency and people's ability to be materially successful depends less on their 'rights' than on their ability to use information and to change - neither of which are characteristic of traditional indigenous cultures. The need for internal cultural changes to overcome these constraints was considered in The Challenge of Aboriginal Advancement (2002) and UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples: Perpetuating Disadvantage? (2007). The cultural changes needed for real social justice are well beyond the capacity of the 'Kingdoms of this World'.

Jesus of Nazareth was not into 'social justice advocacy' to get the Kingdoms of this World to help the disadvantaged (ie He was not into a ' they orta do something' style of thinking). Rather he helped people directly and also motivated and empowered the potentially disadvantaged to help themselves and one another by creating the Kingdom of God (ie by implanting the spirit of God / love in their hearts) - see Comments on Church's Mission.

The implications of following Jesus' example in relation to the problems currently facing the world's umpteen million asylum seekers are suggested in Refugees: What did Jesus Do? The latter also pointed to:

Earlier indications of the Uniting Church's emphasis on 'Kingdoms of this World' solutions to problems that could probably be more effectively addressed by taking Jesus' Great Commission more seriously;

The social dysfunctions (and consequent threats to the foundations of Australia's liberal institutions) that have resulted from under-performance of the Great Commission by Australian churches generally;

The injustices and worsening of Queensland Government performance that had resulted because political initiatives (that apparently had had support from churches in the hope of thereby promoting 'justice') proved to be poorly advised as reformers' understanding of the situation was not as reliable as they thought that it was; and

The benefits of keeping churches out of politics (and politics out of religion) if real progress in achieving social justice (or anything else) is to be achieved.

This does not imply that Christians should not be interested in, and involved in, politics. Good government requires the sort of emphasis on the welfare of all that Christianity imparts. But political engagement with any particular topic requires specialized knowledge and experience which the church as a whole should not claim to have. Moreover there are options for leadership of constructive change within society which are illustrated (with reference to strengthening the real economy) in A Case for Innovative Economic Leadership (2009). Similar methods could also be used by welfare-of-all-minded Christians to achieve other constructive real-world changes - but only if politics (with its emphasis only on what the 'Kingdoms of this World' can do) is kept at arm's length.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

T: Religious Drivel

Religious Drivel - email sent 4/5/14

Tanya Chilcott
Sunday Mail

Your article suggested that there are problems with religious instruction (RI) in state schools because (for example): (a) many children show no religious affiliation on their enrolments; and (b) civil libertarians and secular organisations maintain that state schools should not teach RI.

However the real problem is that media discussions of religious instruction typically report only the naïve views of those who seem ignorant of the fact that Australia's institutions (including respect for individual liberty and the existence of a secular state) primarily depend on widespread Christian adherence in the general community. This point and others were explored in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View (2013).

A balanced account of the issues involved in RI would be more constructive than the historically-ignorant drivel to which the public is now so often subjected.

John Craig

U: Supporting the Disadvantaged when Governments Can't Afford to Do So

Supporting the Disadvantaged when Governments Can't Afford to Do So - email sent 1/6/14

Hon Peter Garrett
Re: Chaplaincy under fire, Courier Mail, 31/5/14
I should like to submit for your consideration that circumstances seem likely to emerge in which it would be wise to reconsider the point that this article suggests that you made (ie that there is a problem with the school chaplaincy program because the line between converting and supporting children is 'too easily crossed').

As you will be well aware there is now controversy about the ability of Australia's federal government to support 'entitlements' and about state governments' ability to finance major social services (ie health and education). The emerging difficulty in financing public services (and transfers to the disadvantaged) is unfortunately probably just the tip of an iceberg (see The Challenge and Potential Cost of Inequality and Insufficient Income). To oversimplify:

All developed economies are finding it difficult to finance the support that the relatively disadvantaged require. For example, international competition with increasingly capable low wage economies with low services / transfer expectations implies that: (a) tax revenues are constrained; and (b) those on the bottom margins of developed economies are increasing in number and relative disadvantage (because they compete in effect with low wage workers elsewhere). This problem will be further complicated by increasing 'environmental' costs which will both increase the needs of the relatively disadvantaged and reduce governments' ability to meet them;

Though Australia has been relatively protected from these problems over the past decade (by a commodity boom) and though there are many possible future economic scenarios - the most probable current scenario is that the source of past economic luck (and rapidly growing tax revenues) will soon disappear, and Australians potentially face severe challenges in maintaining a high income economy with strong tax revenues in other ways;

There are already signs that the numbers of relatively-disadvantaged Australian's will increase significantly, just at the time that that governments' fiscal capacity to provide needed services and transfers declines (see What is Happening in Australia);

There will thus be a need for much stronger community-based support to the relatively disadvantaged. High levels of Christian adherence in the community can arguably make it possible for such community-based support to emerge in ways that are compatible with Australia's traditionally liberal / egalitarian social, economic and political institutions (see The Need for a Community-Based Solution).

While school chaplaincy programs are not part of religious education, they are (as your comments indicate) not unrelated. And, because of the emerging need for community-based support for the relatively disadvantaged (and for other reasons suggested in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View), there is now a pressing need for the community (but not for secular state institutions) to reconsider everything related to religious education.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

V: Why Tolerate Tolerance?

Why Tolerate Tolerance? - email sent 19/6/14

Ralph Seccombe
c/- Australian Skeptics

Your article raises questions about whether it is appropriate to tolerate religion - eg to allow believers in a particular faith to be subject to special requirements merely because of their faith.

However the issue is a lot more complex than this, because notions such as tolerance, universal human rights, freedom, a rule of law, etc are largely a product of the Christian world-view that prevailed in Europe as those notions emerged. They would not exist or be sustainable otherwise. A preliminary attempt to explore this point was in Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions (2010). The real issue is not whether the state tolerates religion, but rather whether the community's religion enables the state to be tolerant. And the world of intolerance seems to be on the march again (eg see Is the Barbarity of ISIS Another Attempt to Ensnare the US in the Middle East? ).

One can't gain an understanding of all this by developing arguments in terms of tolerance / universal human rights (ie by looking 'inside the box') but only by looking 'outside the box' at the practical consequences of different world-views (ie religions) in terms of whether (say) 'tolerance' is likely to emerge. My attempt to look at the practical consequences of different world-views is in Competing Civilizations (2001). The latter was developed in the context of the clash that has been emerging between the liberal (tolerant) institutions that have emerged in Europe on the basis of its Judeo-Christian and classical Greek heritage and the illiberal (intolerant) traditions that have prevailed in other major civilizations (ie in East Asia and the Muslim world). And where major civilizations have not emerged (ie in tribal societies) strict individual conformity to the tribe is inevitably required.

Competing Civilizations notes that the Judeo-Christian expectation (ie that individuals are responsible to God for the morality of their actions) is both the basis for 'tolerance' and unique. Islam by contrast appears to reflect the Arabic tribal context in which it emerged in that appropriate individual behaviour is expected to be enforced by family / community / state pressure. This resulting lack of freedom for individuals is arguably the main reason for the backwardness of Muslim societies in recent centuries - because it translated into a lack of the initiative / innovation that is needed for social, economic and political progress (see Even Moderate Islam Seems Damagingly Rigid).

An attempt to look from an Indian perspective at the role that the Bible had in the emergence of modern liberal institutions, both in India and elsewhere, is in The Book that Made Your World by Vishal Mangalwadi. He pointed out, for example, that there is a major difference between the 'rule of law' in ancient Rome and that in a Christian context. In the former case a 'rule of law' is merely the 'rule of the rulers' - because there is no acknowledged authority beyond those rulers. Similarly in East Asia the 'rule of law' does not involve 'law' being a guide to rational decisions by independent individuals. Rather it is a means for disciplining those who don't conform with the consensus about what an ethnic community should be doing that has been reached by its social elites. This is not about tolerance of anything.

Some general thoughts on the importance of separating church and state (and the critical dependence on widespread Christian adherence in the community for such separation to be feasible) are in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics (2009+). The need for Atheists to progress from their naively simplistic understandings of the world was suggested in Celebrating a New Evangelical Religion: Atheism (2010).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations.

John Craig

Seeking Enlightenment - A Note Added Later

In response to a copy of the above email, a leading light in the Australian Skeptics (XXX) suggested that the present author had overlooked "the fact that while the enlightenment broke out in Christian societies it did so because the Christian churches gradually lost their ability to inflict their will on clear thinkers among the population"

The present writer's response was along the following lines:

"Some speculations about the dependence of the Enlightenment on the existence of the responsible individualism that widespread Christian adherence imparts are in A Confident Secularist Society. Without an ethical foundation for individual liberty 'clear thinking' does not work in solving practical problems. And a belief that nature would be lawful because of creation by a lawful God led to much of the early development of modern science being the work of committed Christians. A major feature of the Buddha's 'Enlightenment' was recognition of the immense complexity of causes and effects. This resulted in a conclusion that attempts to understand would not work and a Buddhist emphasis on internally-focused contemplation which largely eliminated the possibility of significant progress in Buddhist societies (see also More on: Its Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities). There is nothing in New Testament Christianity that says anything about churches attempting to control the state (see Church's Mission). The link between church and state had arisen under the late Roman empire because churches had been immensely successful in mobilizing grass-roots support because of their ' good news' and concern for those on the margins of society. Kings and Emperors wanted a piece of that action - by seeking a church mandate. From early in the 16 th century the Reformation re-emphasised the New Testament and thus laid the groundwork for the European 'Age of Enlightenment' which started in the late 17 th century.

I look forward to your response to my earlier email. I noted with interest that the goals of Australian Skeptics have only involved sceptical inquiry from 'inside the box' (ie from the view that reason and science have all the answers). A sceptical analysis of the limits of the 'box' itself might be in order as this seems to be the foundation of what some have seen as a possible Asian Century."

The reaction by XXX to suggestions to the need for a sceptical analysis of whether reason and science have all the answers was: (a) to outline XXX's Atheistic religious views; and (b) refuse to engage in further communication.

Secular Religious Education: A Contradiction in Terms?

Secular Religious Education: A Contradiction in Terms? - email sent 6/8/14

Anna Halafoff (Deakin University) and Cathy Byrne (Southern Cross University)

Your article suggested that religion should be taught 'secularly' in Australia's schools. This seems extremely challenging - as my understanding is that 'secular' refers to all aspects of society other than religion. Thus if the state takes it upon itself to teach about religion it would presumably no longer be 'secular'. And religion has a massive effect on a community in many practical ways - so it seems irresponsible to suggest that it should be taught without encouraging acceptance of world views that have constructive rather than restrictive implications.

My Interpretation of your article: Religion in schools is again controversial in relation to Review of National Curriculum. Can it be taught in a secular context? Some groups have difficulty adapting to the fact that Australia is increasingly diverse religiously and non-religiously secular. Secular is usually taken to imply separation of church and state. This could mean either complete separation, or not giving preference to any particular faith. Secularists, rationalists and humanists favour teaching about diverse religious and non-religious cultures. Perhaps an inclusive and critical study of religion and ethics should be in the national curriculum. This is done elsewhere. Critical education about religion can be taught as long as no one view is presented as correct or better than any other. The aim should be understanding, not belief. A critical education about religion would study its role in conflict - and thereby promote social inclusion and intercultural awareness. The Melbourne Declaration on Educational Goals for Young Australians emphasizes this. The significant role that Christianity has played should be taught - but this should not be at the expense of Indigenous culture and spirituality.

The issue is far more complex than your article suggests because 'religion' incorporates broad world-views which affect societies' overall culture in many practical ways. For example culture affects: people's goals and aspirations; the way they understand reality (and thus how they go about solving problems, and whether they can develop technologies); their ability to learn, to cope with risk and to change; the way people relate; the scope for initiative; and the institutions their society maintains (see Competing Civilizations, 2001+).

The emergence of 'liberal' social environments in Western societies enabled the rationality that had been emphasised by classical Greek philosophers to become an effective means of practical social, economic and political problem solving at all levels in society - and thereby accelerate practical progress (see Cultural Foundations of Western Progress). Without such 'liberal' (ie focused-on-individuals) social environments rationality tends to fail (eg if there is no rule of law, individual rationality fails because it is both necessary and impossible to second-guess the reactions of social elites). Such 'liberal' social environments could emerge because of the uniquely Judeo-Christian expectation that individuals would act responsibly primarily on the basis of individual consciences responsible directly to God. Moreover reasonably successful if limited understanding of the natural world in terms of scientific laws could be possible first in Christian societies because of Christianity's recognition that the universe would be lawful because of its creation by a lawful God. By contrast the 'enlightenment' of Siddhartha Gautama, who founded Buddhism, involved recognition of what can be called'dependent causation' (ie recognition of the interconnection / complexity of things). The Buddha's 'enlightenment' was valid in some ways (especially in societies that lack 'liberal' social environments that make rationality reasonably effective), but it was not a formula for scientific achievements by affected societies.

John Craig

A Risky View of Secularism?

A Risky View of Secularism? - email sent 30/8/14

Audrey Statham,
School of Social Sciences,
Monash University

Your article implied that it is important to be clear about what 'secular' means in relation to government funding of school chaplaincy programs. Yet your apparently preferred view of what 'secularism' means (ie that religion should be included amongst governments' 'secular' concerns) would break the separation of church and state which has been critical to the development of Australia's institutions.

My Interpretation of your article: The Abbott Government will continue funding school chaplaincy by directing funding to states. However the debate about this suffers from a deficient understanding of what 'secular' is. In 2006 the chaplaincy program for 'secular' schools was established for only religious chaplains. This was expanded to include funding for non-religious social workers in 2011 - but then restricted again in 2014. In 2011 Labor's expansion of the scheme had used 'secular' in the sense of non-religious - and non-religious counselors had been referred to as secular welfare officers. The common understanding of 'secular' involves separation of church and state. This view has been challenged in recent years to suggest that religious faith is merely on human possibility, so that both religious and non-religious world views co-exist within the secular. This is how secularism has always been interpreted in Australia. Australia's secularism includes the freedom of citizens to be religious or non-religious. Neither those with religious faith or those who don't should be excluded. A school chaplaincy program that doesn't fund welfare officers because they are non-religious is not a 'secular' approach. A program that would fund both religious chaplains and non-religious counselors is needed.

Your conclusion about government funding of both religious chaplains and 'non-religious counselors' seems reasonable in a practical sense. While there is a superficial distinction between 'religious' and 'non-religious' world views, this distinction can disappear on closer examination. For example, contrary to the claims of believers, Atheism is a 'religion' in that it involves assumptions that cannot be objectively proven (see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism, 2010). And though many in Western societies would regard Christian-style theism as a core characteristic of a 'religion', in East Asia major recognised religions are non-theistic. It is artificial to insist on any absolute distinction between religious and 'non-religious' worldviews.

Australia now suffers serious difficulties as a result of inadequate education about religion (eg because even those who do not subscribe to narrowly defined 'religion' need to know why 'religion' matters) and there has been a temptation for governments to try to 'help'. However, unless the lead in overcoming those problems is successfully taken by Christian churches, Australia's liberal institutions (and religious freedoms) are unlikely to be sustainable (see also Religion Should be Taught Better, 2013 and Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View, 2013).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Truckers are not the Foundation of Australia's Liberal Institutions

Truckers are not the Foundation of Australia's Liberal Institutions - email sent 17/9/14

Professor Gary Bouma
Monash University

I should like to suggest for your consideration that the question of who Churches are accountable to, and how they should be accountable, is a bit more complex than your article suggested. It is a bit naïve to equate Churches with truckers.

Australians have been able to enjoy liberty and 'liberal' institutions because of the dominant role that Christianity played in Western history. Whilst the 'state' in various forms has sought to base its power in whole or part on the Church (and Church leaders have at times been more than willing to accept the 'benefits' this provided them) if one looks at the New Testament (renewed interest in was the focus of the Reformation and much subsequent development in Western societies) one finds no basis for saying (as state leaders tend to do and your article implied churches do) "Trust me, I am a ......" or "Obey me, I am a ......". The message was rather that 'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God' ( Romans 3:23) and 'Judge not, and you will not be judged'(Luke 6:37). The Church was certainly charged with spreading Jesus' good news and teachings. But compliance with what God requires was left to individual consciences because of individuals' ultimate accountability to God.

And this presumption of a reasonable degree of moral self-disciple has been vital to the creation (and now the ongoing viability) of the sorts of institutions from which Australians have gained many benefits (eg see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions and Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual).

Moral self-disciple maybe be a unique consequence of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Its absence seems to have been a key factor in the difficulties that (say) Muslim dominated societies have experienced in recent centuries and the tensions that arise in their relations with others (eg see Politicians are Wrong: Terrorism by Islamist Extremists Does Involve Islam). In fact communal enforcement of expected behaviours by individuals (rather than self-discipline) is characteristic of tribal societies generally and also of East Asian traditions. The 'individual self-discipline' that is needed for the sorts of liberal social, economic and political institutions that Australians have been able to benefit from in many ways can't exist in just any religious environment.

It is part of the state's job to establish a framework through which (say) 'truckers' are held accountable. But, if the Christian Churches provide the social foundation needed for Australia's liberal legal and state systems, it is a bit difficult to see how Churches could safely be accountable to those institutions. Certainly there is a need for probity in the way Church resources are used - and there may well have been problems in some cases. However if Australia's secular institution (ie those that deal with everything but religion) try to make Churches accountable to them to sort out any difficulties then it is likely that the all-important separation of Church and state (and Churches' ability to provide the social foundations for a liberal state) would be in deep trouble. Many Church institutions have become accountable to the state in many ways in recent decades (eg because they receive large amounts of public funding for the provision of various social services). The result has often been that affected components of Australia's Churches have been diverted from their vital core mission by the need to appeal to state expectations in order to gain funding. This seems to be one, but not the only, reason that Christian adherence has been declining to the point that it is possible to see a future in which Australia's liberal institutions will no longer be viable (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions). This distortion of Churches' mission needs to be reduced, not increased.

A former Treasurer argued today that Australians probably face widespread hardship because the 'luck is running out' (' Luck running out: Peter Costello warns of hard days ahead', Brisbane Times, 17/9/14). I suspect unfortunately that his grim prognosis is not grim enough, and that the contributions that Churches are making needs to be dramatically enhanced to cope with what is (probably) coming (see The Probable Need for a Community-Based Solution in Restoring the Viability of Democratic Capitalism).

Arguing that Churches should be treated like truckers is not really a constructive contribution in this context.

John Craig

Increasing Understanding of Secularism and Freedom

Increasing Understanding of Secularism and Freedom - email sent 13/10/14

Margaret Wenham
Courier Mail,

Your article warned that 'religious' rhetoric in relation to conflicts with the so-called 'Islamic state' risked creating a war between religions. You also re-emphasised the separation of church and state, and suggested increasing understanding of this through (say) state schools and in the broader community. I should like to try to add value to your basic suggestions, while also highlighting the complexities of the issues involved.

My Interpretation of your article: Now that Australia is in a so-called 'just' war against Islamic-linked murderers in Syria and Iraq, no politicians should engage in 'gates of hell' rhetoric like a US vice-president did. Doing so risks charges that the Christian west is engaging in a crusade against Islam by invoking 'our' vengeful God. This leaves people like me cold. As a non-believer I find it hard to lend moral / philosophical support to those who condemn ISIS (whose actions allegedly have a religious foundation) while brandishing their own 'good' religion. ISIS's diaboloc activities are an opportunity to extol the virtues of the separation of church and state - and the virtues of a fully secular state rooted in the political philosophy of liberal democracy and the rule of law that takes its mandate from a secular civil society (which is the furthest thing from an ISIS-style caliphate) . Tony Abbott recently endorsed wider acceptance of the 'golden rule' ('do unto others as you would have them do unto you') and separation of church and state (in the sense of rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's etc). He also warned that those with ISIS sympathies would be acting 'against God' (presumably his Western / Christian' version). There is no shortage of Christian god-fearing politicians who want to stick their interpretations of the Bible into policy ponds - and thus create troubled waters. In Australia there is a large government funded school chaplaincy program whereby non-secular councilors are paid to work in supposedly secular state schools. Tony Abbott has a long way to go in his own 'major cultural shift' given that church tentacles reach into the supposedly secular state. As a non-secular state evolves before our eyes, everyone should keep their religious beliefs (in homes and places of worship) and out of broader society / government. The French concept of laicite (secularism) could perhaps be considered. French journalist, Agnes Poirer, argues that: (a) France does not recognise any religion, but protects them all; (b) only reason should prevail; (c) there should be a clear distinction between private and public spaces. President Sarkozy banned face coverings in 2010, and this was upheld by the European Court of Human rights. Prior to that France had banned the wearing of conspicuous religious symbols in government-funded schools. It has now ordered a charter of secularism to be displayed in government funded schools. Should Australia consider this? And could this be taken further in government-funded schools (and in the wider society later) by putting citizenship first and personal religious beliefs second?

It is undoubtedly important, particularly at the moment, that the whole community is aware of the benefits that flow from a secular state (ie one that deals with everything but religion) - eg see Why the separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective). The basic point is that governments have to deal with issues that are vastly more complex than can be determined solely on the basis of the simpler rules that religions identify as appropriate for individuals.

And treating religious obligations as a private matter for individuals not only has benefits in terms of government effectiveness. This also enables non-governmental functions to be more effective (eg see The Emergence and Advantages of Responsible Liberty ). The basic point is that rationality tends to fail in dealing in complex situations. Societies can create institutions that allow 'rational' decisions to be relatively effective (eg when individuals are: guided by a rule of law; engage in democratic political debate; or undertake economic activities on the basis of 'profit' by independent enterprises). However such institutions can not work unless individuals are free from supervision by others on the basis of religious criteria.

The fact that a legalistic and coercive approach seems to have been taken to the enforcement of Islamic religious principles within Muslim communities seems to be a (the?) major factor in the difficulties those societies have suffered in recent centuries (see Even Moderate Islam Seems Damagingly Rigid, Politicians are Wrong: Terrorism by Islamist Extremists Does Involve Islam and Blame Religious Legalism for the Middle East's Problems). Needless to say Muslims' difficulties would be even worse if a legalistic and coercive approach to the enforcement of Islamic religious principles were extended by the creation of a caliphate (see Challenging the Idea of an Islamic State). These problems could probably be significantly reduced (while also depriving Islamist extremists of their Islamic 'oxygen') simply by a change in the way the religion of Islam is enforced (see Bringing Freedom to Muslims Would Bring Peace to the Middle East ).

Your article was useful in pointing to the the importance of avoiding any perception of a conflict between a Christian and an Islamic 'God' in discussing conflicts with the so-called 'Islamic State'. However it is not only Christians and Islamists who have difficulties in keeping religion out of politics. Political activism against 'religion' also breaks down the secularism of the state (eg see Can Political Activism Separate Church and State?). It can be noted, for example, that the Atheistic perspectives that were the foundations of your article are anything but a 'secular' viewpoint (see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism). Moreover the 'ideal' your article endorsed was that a secular state should take its mandate from a 'secular civil society'. However it is not all clear that there is such a thing as a civil society that is not affected by a religion of one sort or another.

Other suggestions about the need for for more serious awareness of the practical consequences of religion were in Religious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View (2013). This argued that: (a) widespread Christian adherence is needed if liberal institutions and a secular state are to be viable in a society - because it makes individuals accountable to God (rather than to man) for the morality of their actions; and (b) students who don't engage in religious education should be taught why religion matters (rather than just 'fiddling about' as they now seem to do during religious education classes).

The basic thrust of your article about maintaining and strengthening the separation of church and state was extremely valuable. But that the issues involved in doing this are complicated.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Muslims have Similar Moral Goals and Damagingly Different Methods of Achieving Them

Muslims have Similar Moral Goals and Damagingly Different Methods of Achieving Them - email sent 14/10/14

William Kilpatrich
c/- Editor, Crisis Magazine
Re: Are Muslims Our Natural Allies? Crisis Magazine, Feb 20, 2014
My attention was drawn to your observations about some Catholics, concerned about faring badly in the fight against 'militant secularism', have come to see Muslims as natural allies because they share similar values.

I should like to reinforce your criticism of the latter viewpoint, and also suggest options to start putting 'militant secularism' into its proper place.

There is a critical difference between the approach taken to the achievement of the fairly similar moral goals of Christianity and Islam. Your article referred to this in relations to the wearing of the hijab.

magazine:
"She makes the case that wearing the hijab is a matter of personal choice. Sometimes, it is, of course, but there is compelling evidence that the majority of Muslim women wear the hijab because they have to. In Iran, for instance, the wearing of the hijab in public is a legal requirement-as it is even in Aceh Province in supposedly moderate Indonesia. Where the hijab is not legally required it is often socially mandated. By "socially mandated," I don't mean that it is worn out of fear that one's maiden aunt will cluck her tongue, but out of fear of physical harm. For example, this from

More often those girls were under orders from their fathers and uncles and brothers, and even their male classmates.... Girls who did not conform were excoriated, or chased, or beaten by fanatical young men meting out Islamic justice. Sometimes girls were gang-raped.

That's not a description of some tribal village in the hinterlands of Afghanistan. It's an account of conditions in the Muslim suburbs surrounding Paris.
According to Serge Trifkovic , "Many French-born Arab girls in the ghetto resort to wearing hijab as the only protection against face-slashing and gang-rapes" (p. 69). Is wearing the hijab a matter of personal choice? In some places, yes. But according to a survey conducted in 2003, 77 percent of French girls who wore the hijab said they did so because of physical threats (Global Post, March 2, 2010)."

Islam seems often to involve the coercive enforcement of religious laws - whereas Jesus freed Christians from religious legalism.

And the coercive enforcement of religious law (which is by no means limited to clothing) has devastating consequences for affected communities. It arguable accounts for centuries of backwardness by Muslim societies in the Middle East that have led the region to turmoil and violence in recent decades (see Blame Religious Legalism for the Middle East's Problems). Coercive enforcement of religious law by families communities creates an environment in which the initiative and innovation required for economic prosperity and even for keeping up with a constantly changing world can't emerge (see also Even Moderate Islam Seems Damagingly Rigid). My comments on this point are based on a study over many years of the radically different paths to development by Western and East Asian societies - and examination of Muslim societies from those perspectives.

In my opinion getting widespread recognition of the adverse consequences of the legalistic and coercive way compliance with Islamic law has been sought is the key to discrediting the ideology of Islamist extremists such as the so-called 'Islamic State'. This point is developed further in many contexts in Discouraging Pointless Extremism (2002+).

I suspect that 'militant secularism' can also be put in its place by pursuing the implications of the fact that Jesus freed his followers from religious legalism. Christians are to love God and others. They are individually responsible directly to God for the morality of their actions. Christians are not to impose religious discipline as agents of God. A truly Christian community can therefore be treated as likely to act responsibly on the basis of individual consciences - without coercive supervision by social / political elites. This creates massive practical advantages for reasons outlined in Increasing Understanding of Secularism and Freedom and Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual.

The point is that 'liberal' institutions in a society (ie those that presume individuals will act reasonably-morally-responsibly without supervision) have massive practical benefits, but those benefits (including the notion of a secular state) can only be achieved and sustained in a Christian environment (because it is only in a Judeo-Christian framework that individual accountability directly to God exists). The erosion of moral behaviour in Western societies is making 'liberal' institutions increasingly risky (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions). Examples of how a case can be made that freedom and a secular state are unsustainable without widespread Christian adherences are in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics - and thus that those who favour liberty and a secular state had better encourage Christian adherence.

John Craig

Articles on Religious Education

Articles on Religious Education - email sent 21/10/14

Re: Seeney B., Even in a secular society, religion has a place in our schools, Sunday Mail, 19/10/14

Might I suggest that religious education is a more important issue that is generally recognised, and that it needs broader coverage than has been apparent in recent articles.For example, Belinda Seeney's article last Sunday contained some dubious assertions.

My Interpretation of the Ms Seeney's article: The Chinese philosopher Confucius recommended study of the past to know the future. This suggests the need to include religious studies in the Australian curriculum. People can no longer afford to be theologically ignorant. Religion has long driven social values as well as lawmakers / politicians. More war has been waged in the name of faith than for any other reason. While Australia is increasingly secular, the 2011 census found that 80% of Australians declared a religious affiliation. So why does religion get little attention from schools. Margaret Wenham recently argued for the adoption of the French system of laicite (secularism). This meant that all religious beliefs should be kept out of schools - and limited to homes / places of worship. However the opposite approach seems better - introducing religion into the Australian curriculum for the sake of knowledge and understanding. This would not involve faith-based instruction in secularschools - but rather teaching religion as a component of history, the humanities and social sciences. Students should be encouraged to discuss, dissect and scrutinize religion in all its forms - objectively and without fear of favour. Arguments against this include the desirability of separating church and state or concerns about indoctrinating impressionable young minds. Children need knowledge and understanding to have any hope of achieving global stability. Religion should be taught in the same way as politics - also a polarising subject. Politics is taught in a non-partisan way - and fact-based religious education would not convert young minds any more than studying the history of WWII would rally students to Nazism. Religion is already taught in most secular schools in an imperfect way - through religious education classes. These are elective, faith-based and largely delivered by unpaid volunteers. There is no historical or cultural context to these classes, no balance no fact-based holistic approach to learning. Student's opportunity to learn and understand the influence, scope and power of religion in its many forms is very limited. Religion also creeps in through the chaplaincy program administered by Christian-affiliated Scripture Union. Such roles would be better played by trained social workers and guidance counselors. It also introduces Christian-biased theology into classrooms by stealth. This could be countered by teaching religion fearlessly and openly in schools. This is justified on the grounds of the curriculums commitment to history as understanding ourselves and others. The only objective fact-based theology course in Queensland is Study of Religion that is available in Years 11 and 12. This allows students to study religious diversity (eg aboriginal spirituality, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam) - to increase learning and understanding. We should not bury our head in the sand any longer in relation to a force as dominant / defining and as capable of changing history as religion.

Ms Seeney's article drew attention to a similar article earlier this month by Margaret Wenham ( Free and equal society founded on secularism, Courier Mail, 9/10/14). However Ms Seeney proposed an essentially opposite way of achieving a 'secular' approach to religious education (ie that governments should take direct responsibility for religious education - rather than trying the keep this as a purely private matter). Ms Wenham had seemed to over-simplify the subject (for reasons suggested in Increasing Understanding of Secularism and Freedom). And Ms Seeney's contentions seemed equally simplistic for reasons outlined below.

Ms Seeney implied that Australia has a 'secular' society (ie one unconcerned with religion). However a 'secular society' can't exist. Ms Seeney acknowledged that 80% of Australians indicate a religious affiliation on census forms. And those who do not subscribe to census-recognised 'religions' will none-the-less have some sort of 'religion' (ie world-view that is not objectively provable) - eg see Celebrating a New Evangelical 'Religion': Atheism (2010). It is only the state that can be 'secular'.

Ms Seeney also suggested that religion should be taught as a component of history, the humanities and social sciences. However it is anything but clear where the appropriate historical / cultural context; the balance; and the fact-based holistic approach to learning that Ms Seeney believes to be necessary would come from. There seem to be serious weaknesses in the humanities and social science faculties of Australia's universities in dealing with religion (eg see Its Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities). Ms Seeney cited the history curriculum as a precedent for enabling students to gain an understanding of ourselves and others. However the National History Curriculum was anything but a success in this regard (seeProposed National History Curriculum: Information without Understanding, 2010). Culture (including religion) is a primary determinant of a societies' ability to be materially successful and to live in relative peace and harmony. Culture affects: people's goals and aspirations; the way they understand reality (and thus how they go about solving problems, and whether they can develop technologies); their ability to learn, to cope with risk and to change; the way people relate; the scope for initiative; and the institutions their society maintains (seeCulture Matters, 2001+). Despite this the National History Curriculum explicitly treated culture as a consequence, rather than a cause, of history. This was presumably because of the dominance in humanities and social science faculties of 'post-modern' ideologies which regard claims about truth and knowledge in human affairs to be simply 'social constructs' that suit dominant elites rather than having any practical consequences (eg seeA Crisis in Education at QUT?). There is certainly a case for ensuring that students understand why religious education matters (eg seeReligious Education: The Need for a Bigger Picture View). But it will take a lot of work (and arguably major changes in 'post-modern' mindsets) before this is likely to be possible.

It was suggested that primary school students can gain a sufficient understanding to discuss, dissect and scrutinize religion in all its forms - objectively and without fear of favour. In order to have such understanding it is critical not only to know what religions teach, but also to understand the practical consequences of those teachings (eg consider Muslims have Similar Moral Goals and Damagingly Different Methods of Achieving Them). And this requires a depth of cross-disciplinary understanding of cultural, social, political and economic systems which would be challenging at a post-graduate university level and certainly well beyond primary school teachers and their students (see alsoCould 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?). In practice religions can't be taught as 'fact' - because the issues involved are incredibly complex. They can only be taught and accepted as a matter of faith / belief. While those who provide such teaching should preferably avoid the more improbable interpretations of their faith, it needs to be remembered that the universe is more complicated that simple-minded rationalists would like to believe (seeHow Solid are Science, Reason and Critical Thinking?).

Ms Seeney argued that the state should take it upon itself to teach religion by introducing religious education courses into a national curriculum. However if the state claims authority in teaching about religion it could no longer be secular (as Ms Seeney acknowledged by referring to the risk of breaking the separation of church and state). A truly secular state has massive advantages for the effectiveness of both governments and citizens - for reasons suggested in Increasing Understanding of Secularism and Freedom). If the state tries to be the source of religious authority, those advantages would disappear. Groups with supposedly-secular agendas who try to make religion into a political matter will, like Ms Seeney, merely tend to make it difficult to maintain the advantages of a secular state (eg seeChallenges Facing the Secular Party, 2013).

It was suggested that religions have been primary drivers of wars. Wars (ie large scale conflicts between states) can only result from religion if religion becomes the foundation of a state's ideology - and this can't happen in a truly secular state. With the exception of Shinto (a non-theistic religion) in Japan in WWII and the Cultural Revolution in China, the conflicts with the biggest body-counts in the 20th century arguably had nothing to do with religion - seeDo Religions Foster Violence?

Ms Seeney quoted Confucius' view of the importance of studying history. Yet the belief that sufficient wisdom about what the Imperial bureaucracy should train Chinese people to do could be gained from a study of history (which was the basis of Confucian government administration until 1911) was arguably the reason that China failed for so long to cope with Western influences. There were important lessons that simply could not be learned from a study of history by bureaucratic elites.

I suggest that a much broader approach to this issue is needed if the community is genuinely to gain an adequate understanding of the importance of religious education. Perhaps it might be useful to ask writers who are actually involved in religious education to contribute.

John Craig

A Deeper Look at Religion

A Deeper Look at Religion - email sent 5/1/15

Laurence Maher
Gordon and Jackson

Re: Religion, terrorism and free speech, Online Opinion, 2/1/15

I should like to suggest that there is a need to look more deeply at what is involved in 'religion'. Your article was headed in that direction, but I suspect that there is a need to go further because: (a) official definitions of religion are too narrow; (b) Islamism (which motivated the Martin Place events) is more a political ideology than a religion; and (c) the practical consequences of particular religions (ie broad world views) for affected societies need serious consideration.

My Interpretation of your article: Under Commonwealth law a 'terrorist' act is defined as involving an attempt to advance a political, religious or ideological cause. UN conventions however do not regard motivations as important in characterising actions as 'terrorism'. Statements couched in zealously religious / pious terms can however indicate an intent to intimidate some section of the community. The events in Martin Place involved an individual whose motivations were religious. Despite this much debate has suggested that those events were unrelated to religion. Religion is involved even where the individuals involved espouse a non-mainstream version of a religion. The 'nothing to do with religious faith' claim is a method of censoring debate about controversial religious practices. Religiously-inspired mass murder and destruction has re-emerged around the world. The Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) gives a baffling definition of religion. This encompasses the three main monotheisms (ie Judiasm, Christianity and Islam). It does not say this, but a failure to believed in a supreme being and an afterlife would be incompatible with its definition. Each such system asserts that it has a divinely revealed / inspired complete system of truth governing all earthly life. Any claim that violent behaviour has nothing to do with religion needs to take account of religions' historical association with: dogmatism / fanaticism; disagreements about sacred texts; both claims of doctrinal unchangeability and ongoing adjustment (eg as science advances); competition for adherents; persecutions; charlatanism; psychological disorders from zealotry; a favourable view of martyrdom; political entanglement leading to state religions / theocracy; and violence against non-believers. No matter what positive contributions religions make, in this modern (secular) age religious ideas / beliefs should not be held to be have a special right to legal protection. Ideas that should be immune from questioning / denigration should be limited to those that survive because of their intrinsic merits, not because of indoctrination. Multiculturalism has the worthy goal of promoting diversity - though it may incorporate insoluble contradictions (ie the fact that some religions regard homosexuality as evil or women as men's inferiors). Criticism of religion is impeded by claims that this involves racism. Claims that discussing the Martin Place events in religious terms might trigger real religiously-inspired terrorism are deceptive. The AHRC's sectarian censorship of public debate about religion is strange given the constitution's protection of freedom of religion in Section 116. Some recent arrivals in Australia have been misinformed by authorities about the secular nature of Australia's polity and about the freedom of / to reject religion involved in Section 116. [Unclear comments on 'secular heresy']. There is a great deal of emphasis on 'de-radicalization' of those with terrorist propensities (under the 2006 National Action Plan to Build on Social Cohesion, Harmony and Security). There is however no certainty that this can be useful. The state can only emphasise that violence is intolerable no matter what its motivation. The 2006 plan entangles Australia's governments in religion through promoting what is supposed to be the true / correct / moderate version of those religions. This risks stirring up trouble because even 'moderates' exhibit resentment / resistance thus promoting alienation from Australia's secular system of government.

The core of your argument seems to me to be that mainstream versions of 'religion' (ie theisms such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam) gain special positions and protection under Australia's current institutional framework, and that it is not a good idea (as in recent debates following the Martin Place terrorist attack) to block criticism of belief systems (noting that these can at times be associated with violence) merely because they involve a designated 'religion'.

Your article implied that the definition of 'religion' adopted (for example) by the Australian Human Rights Commission is essentially theistic (ie involves a belief in a supreme being) and involves claims about complete systems of earthly truth. There is no doubt that this definition is too narrow. There are well-recognised religions (such as Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, Shinto) that are non-theistic. And the religions (ie broad world views) that have emerged in Asia tend to involve a rejection of the notion of truth (see Epistemology: The Core Issue). I would suggest that a far better official definition of religion would be something like: 'a shared belief system based on its adherents'' unproveable assumptions'. This would enable non-theistic religions to gain recognition as religions. At present non-theistic Western belief systems such as Atheism (for example) can be portrayed as not being religions. This allows Atheism's adherents to make unjustified claims that beliefs founded on a presumption that there are no significant limits to human reason and science should have some special status within a secular state (see Should Atheism be recognised as a religion?).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Why Not Write About the Consequences if God's Houses Empty?

Why Not Write About the Consequences if God's Houses Empty? - email sent 6/4/15

Jackie Sinnerton
Sunday Mail
Re: 'God's house empties out', Sunday Mail, 5/4/15
Your article highlighted the trend towards declining Christian adherence in Australia (eg 15% of the population are now current regular church-goers compared with 36% in the 1970s, with a parallel decline in general acknowledgement of Christian adherence). I should like to suggest that it would be worth writing articles about the practical consequences of these changing statistics. The most important benefits of Christianity are for individuals - but it also has consequences for society generally.

Needless to say the erosion of Christian adherence in countries such as Australia is also eroding the responsible individualism that is required to maintain a free society. There are many indications of a declining sense of individual responsibility - eg as outlined in Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions (2003). The latter also refers to the inevitable emergence of human claims to be the source of moral authority (eg 'political correctness' pressures that equate with the communal coercion that is the primary means of constraining individual behaviour in non-Christian environments). Human claims to moral authority (which are by no means limited to 'political correctness') had been impossible to sustain where individual moral authority was attributed to direct accountability to God. However those claims are well on their way to undermining the viability of liberal social, economic and political institutions (ie those that build on the capabilities, and value the welfare, of rational individuals).

Exploring the practical consequences of changes in statistics on religious adherence should provide scope for a few interesting and controversial articles. This might even be enough to get university academics off their backsides to do some serious work on the practical consequences of religion (eg as suggested in It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities, 2014).

John Craig

The Re-emergence of 'gods'

The Re-emergence of 'gods' - email sent 30/5/15

Gerald K Harrison,
Massey University

I should like to try to add value to your reasonable observation that accepting claims that 'something' is moral requires accepting a 'god' who has the authority to make that claim. The source of the authority that is accepted has massive implications for authority structures within a society - and thus for how societies operate.

In Australia (and presumably New Zealand) there has long been general acceptance of the Christian view that God is 'god'. However, as adherence to Christianity has declined, increasingly serious social dysfunctions have been emerging and diverse human agencies have begun claiming moral authority in various ways (ie that they are the 'gods' whose moral authority should be accepted) - see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Liberal Institutions. And as the latter notes, human claims to 'god-ship' undermine the foundations of the liberal institutions that have allowed rapid progress by Western societies in recent centuries (ie the presumption that individuals would exhibit moral responsibility because of their accountability to God without human moral supervision) - see Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual. The latter notes the importance of individual moral responsibility to God for the creation of political and economic institutions in which rationality (ie the use of abstract concepts as models of reality) can be a reasonably reliable means for problem solving.

This is not the case with other major traditions. For example, under Muslim traditions family and community members (or perhaps even the state) claim to be the 'semi-gods' - ie the source of moral authority as enforcers acting on behalf of God. And this has very serious implications for the way in which such societies operate (eg see Ending Muslim Jobs' Discrimination is Easy: Just Liberate Muslims). And in East Asia, human elites have traditionally claimed to be the source of moral authority (ie to be 'gods') - and this again leads to illiberal social, economic and political institutions (eg see Understanding East Asia's Neo-Confucian Systems of Socio-political-economy ).

Jesus of Nazareth caused a major upset to human claims of 'god-ship'. And those who made such claims (such as the emperors in Rome whose authority was based partly on claims to divinity and the Jewish Scribes and Pharisees) were not amused. Jesus had: proclaimed the 'Kingdom of God' (ie that God should rule directly in human hearts); said that he had come to 'set you free'; and given strong evidence of his authority for doing so.

However the world now is not only seeing God being challenged as the source of moral authority by 'political correctness' movements and ' judicial activists ' in countries such as Australia. That challenge is also coming from those who claim to be 'god-like' or 'semi-gods' in their own right. For example:

The point that you have raised needs much deeper consideration (see also Philosophy and Religion: The Case for a Bigger Picture View and It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

Regards

John Craig

Emphasizing MPs' Religious Beliefs Won't Lead to a 'Secular' State

Emphasizing MPs' Religious Beliefs Won't Lead to a 'Secular' State - email sent 18/8/15

Brian Morris
Plain Reason

While the separation of church and a secular state is highly desirable, it can't be achieved by the increased focus on religion in Australian politics that your article seems to be recommending.

My Interpretation of your article: Politics and religion are in a state of flux. And religion is in turmoil because the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse has caused disquiet with the priesthood. While politics and religion seem separate - 'accountability' binds them. Religion and politics enjoyed a symbiotic relationship from 380 CE when Christianity became the state religion of Roman empire. The notion of a 'secular Australia' is challenged by the fracas over marriage equality - because religious MPs have combined to defeat this and other progressive contemporary policies. But no one really knows what MPs' religious views are - and they need to do so. How many endorse religious superstitions (eg about Noah's Ark and a 6000 year old earth)? MPs should be questioned about their faiths. As the electorate is increasingly non-religious, the public needs to know who to choose. This affects a large number of issues (as suggested in a new book Sacred to Secular) - which examines how Scandinavian nations have taken religion out of politics. Australia's Constitution is secular - except for an early reference to God in the Preamble. It guarantees freedom of religion - and its 'secular' intent is to keep religion out of politics and education. There is a need to allow challenges to religious authority - as that taboo has led to the thousands of victims that the Child Abuse Royal Commission revealed. There is a need to end the era in which parliamentary religion can silently impact on current socio-political agenda.

Your proposals to emphasize MPs' religious beliefs seem to me to be anything but a useful way to ensure that Australia maintains a secular state (ie one concern with everything but religion). The benefits of maintaining a secular state were highlighted in Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics (2009) - and this referred to the fact that three new parties, who were promoting the separation of religion and state, would have the reverse effect (ie they would inadvertently increase the role of religion in Australian politics).

A couple of other thoughts in relation to your article are:

The Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse has arguably facilitated a major cover-up of the true extent of the problem in Australian society. As you noted, it identified some thousands of cases in various institutions. However it, and similar enquiries in the past, have conveniently obscured the apparently millions of cases that did not arise in institutions (seeChild Sex Abuse Inquiry: Another Official Cover-up? 2012);

There was indeed a symbiotic relationship between religion and politics for centuries in primarily-Christian societies because of what happened in the closing stages of the Roman empire. However this was largely eliminated (and a more-or-less secular state could emerge) as a product of the Reformation when the New Testament was closely re-examined and the separation of church and state that Christianity's founder originally envisaged was recognised. Moreover, the existence of individual liberty and a secular state:

The issue of 'marriage equality' is somewhat more complex than is usually considered (eg seeSame Sex Marriage Debate: Protecting the Rights of Children and Educators, 2015);

It is not only those who study Genesis from a 'religious' perspective who can have trouble with the issues it raises. There aremany different types of 'religions' (ie shared world views that are based on adherents' unprovable assumptions) and this includes Atheism (eg seeCelebrating a New Evangelical Religion: Atheism, 2010). And those who base their 'religion' on faith in reason and science to challenge others' 'religions' are not standing on a rock (seeHow solid are 'science, reason and critical thinking'?). Rationalists tend to encourage scepticism about others' world views, but not to be sceptical about the reason and science that is the foundation of their own 'religion' (seeEscaping the Strictures of Atheism, 2015);

It is unlikely that there is anyone who is 'not religious' if a proper understanding of 'religion' is adopted - ie everyone will have a broad world-view based on unprovable assumptions. However the issues that governments deal with can best be addressed if they are examined narrowly (ie without an emphasis on those broad world-views) - for reasons suggested inWhy the separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective (2001);

Sweden is a noteworthy example of a Scandinavian country that seems to have gotten itself into a great deal of difficulties through making religion into a state responsibility (ie moving away from the notion of a secular state) - for reasons outlined towards the end ofMore on: It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities (2014).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

'No Religion' is Not a Valid Census Category +

'No Religion' is Not a Valid Census Category - email sent 27/8/15

Mr Duncan Young,
Census and Statistical Services Division,
Australian Bureau of Statistics

As you will be aware there was media reference today to the ABS's decision to regard 'no religion' as a significant category in the 2016 census (Martin S., 'No religion' tops census choices, The Australian, 27/8/15). I should like to draw your attention to some policy complexities related to this because you were the officer who was publicly quoted in relation to this decision in 2013 (ie in Religious affiliation emerging as key theme in 2016 Census topic consultation, ABS, 4/4/13).

This proposal for the 2016 census raises policy complexities because:

Issues related to religion are of increasing importance for reasons outlined in Philosophy and Religion: The Case for a Bigger Picture View (2010) andIt's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities (2014). Key points are that:

'No religion' cannot validly be regarded as a significant statistical category. Everyone (except those suffering significant mental impairments) will have a 'religion' (ie a broad world view that is based on their unprovable assumptions) - for reasons suggested in Emphasizing MPs' Religious Beliefs Won't Lead to a 'Secular' State (2015). For example, Atheism is areal (and increasingly evangelical) 'religion' - even though it has not conventionally been regarded as such and adherents would prefer to claim otherwise;

There is significant confusion about the word 'secular'. There are advantages in a 'secular state' (ie one that deals with everything but religion) for reasons outlined in Why the separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective, 2001+ andChallenging the Idea of an Islamic State, 2014). However maintaining that separation is increasingly difficult because those who claim to have 'no religion' seek to introduce their particular religions into what would otherwise genuinely be a 'secular state' (seeKeeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009+). While governments can be 'secular' (ie not deal with issues of religion), it is not realistic to suggest that average individuals within society have 'no religion' - or that there can be a 'secular society' (ie that there can be no religion within a society as a whole, or in parts of it). Today's article inThe Australian,'No religion' tops census choices, illustrated the confusion that exists about 'secular' because it suggested that "the Australian Bureau of Statistics has decided to place the secularist option ahead of 10 other choices in the 2016 survey, rather than at the bottom". In other words the journalist suggested that claiming 'no religion' (which is essentially impossible for most individuals) makes that person 'secular' - though the latter term only validly applies to a state;

There is a massive difference between regarding 'no religion' as a residual statistical category in the census for those who were not prepared to acknowledge their religion (as has been the case in the past) and treating 'no religion' as a real and significant category in its own right (as currently appears to be proposed for the 2016 census). Doing so potentially allows those with non-traditional religions to claim that their religions should be regarded as appropriate for adoption by a 'secular state' - and thereby actually undermine Australia's traditionally secular state and threaten the huge advantages that this has provided. Several examples of those risks are mentioned in Addenda toKeeping Religion out of Australian Politics (2009+) and in to Celebrating a New Evangelical Religion: Atheism (2010+). For example political parties have emerged seeking to promote the notion of a 'secular state' - though their actual proposals (ie making religion a major topic for political debate) would have quite the reverse effect (eg seeChallenges Facing the Secular Party, 2013)

It is useful and important to put together reliable census data regarding Australians religious' affiliations. But it is not valid to regard 'no religion' as a valid statistical category - except in so far as it may apply to those whose mental limitations prevent them from having any broad world view. I would strongly suggest the need for research to identify non-traditional religions (such as Atheism) and include these as separate religious categories in the 2016 census.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Email Comments in relation to these suggestions from Progressive Atheists Inc to Australian Bureau of Statistics (28/8/15)
Dear Duncan,

It makes sense to have a 'no religion' category in the same way that you ask:

The first answer, 'never married', allows for those who do not qualify for that category.

A religious worldview is a subset within a broader spectrum of worldviews. Religion relates to a group who share a worldview. Religions are acknowledged by the government and given tax exempt status. A religious worldview is categorised as including a belief in a supernatural being, thing or principle and the acceptance of canons of conduct that give effect to that belief.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Non-profit/Getting-started/In-detail/Types-of-charities/Religious-institutions--access-to-tax-concessions/?page=2#What_is_a_religious_institution_
CPDS' Email Comments to Progressive Atheists Inc (28/8/15)
Alice Carr
Progressive Atheists

Thanks for the B/C copy of your comments to Duncan Young in relation to my email (' No Religion' is Not a Valid Census Category). If you have no objection I will add your response to the latter location on my web-site.

However I doubt that the ATO's definition of 'religion' for tax purposes is necessarily appropriate for census purposes - especially as, in a supposedly secular state, government would not be involved at all in questions of religion. In Should Atheism be recognised as a religion? (to which my earlier email referred):

reference is made to a broader Wikipedia definition;

reasons are given for accepting that Atheism does qualify because of its organised character, the not-objectively-provable nature of its beliefs and Atheists' efforts to develop canons of behaviour on the basis of those beliefs;

it is submitted that Atheism should be treated by governments (eg in terms of tax concessions and providing school chaplains) exactly the same as any other religion.

And (as noted in Confusing 'No Religion' with Atheism in the 2016 Census), there seems to be a public perception that 'no religion' is identical with Atheism. So the fact that Atheism should be regarded as a religion certainly has implications for whether it is appropriate to have 'no religion' as a significant category in the 2016 census.

John Craig

Email Response from Duncan Young (ABS) - 2/9/15

Thank you for your email about the religion topic in the 2016 Census. You raised some interesting points about whether 'no religion' is a valid response or is a residual statistical category.

A question on a person's religion has been included in all Australian Censuses. Explicit instructions were introduced in 1971 for people without a religion and a separate mark box for 'No religion' was introduced in 1991.

The Census question is designed to provide information on the religious groups specified in the Australian Standard Classification of Religious Groups (cat. no. 1266.0). This classification was developed in consultation with a range of users, stakeholders and experts in the field. It was last reviewed in 2011 and is currently being reviewed, with submissions now due on 15 September 2015. More information on the review is on the ABS website:

The Australian Standard Classification of Religious Groups includes three levels within its structure. Census responses are coded against the groups during Census processing, using either the response category or the further details in the 'Other (please specify)' box. At the highest level 'No religion' is one of the groups within the classification. At the lowest level, 'No religion' is broken into five sub-groups 'No religion, not further defined', Agnosticism, Atheism, Humanism and Rationalism. There is a separate category of 'Not stated' for people who do not answer the question. See the Census Dictionary for more information - http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2901.0Chapter8302011 .

The ABS has decided to make a change to the 2016 Census question as part of its review process, including the consideration of public submissions and testing. Our assessment was that the movement of 'No Religion' to be the first response category in the question would make the question easier for respondents, whilst continuing to collect high quality data consistent with the classification. Respondents will continue to have the option to provide more detail about their non-religious belief in the 'Other (please specify)' box in the question. A copy of the final 2016 question is available at: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/2008.0~2016~Main%20Features~Religious%20affiliation~111
Thank you again for your email.

Duncan Young
Program Manager,
Census of Population & Housing,
Australian Bureau of Statistics

Reply to Duncan Young (ABS) - email sent 5/9/15

Thanks very much for your explanation of how the ABS is approaching the classification of religion for Census purposes. If you have no objection I would like to reproduce it on my web-site as a follow-up to ' No Religion' is Not a Valid Census Category.

The additional categories under 'No religion' that are you mentioned (ie 'No religion, not further defined', Agnosticism, Atheism, Humanism and Rationalism) would certainly help clarify any Census result.

I will make a submission to the current review of Australian Standard Classification of Religious Groups that you mentioned - ie I will submit that Atheism (at least) should be excluded from the 'No religion' category and treated as a non-theistic religion in its own right for reasons outlined in Should Atheism be Recognised as a Religion?

Once again thank you very much for the additional information you have provided. I suspect that the issue is going to be of significant public interest as the 2016 Census approaches - because the escalating real-world importance of 'religion' that was mentioned in my email. As an additional example, I would point to the significance of whether a society's worldview does or does not emphasise individuals (as Christianity does but East Asian traditional world-views do not). This has major implications in terms of the types of political and economic systems that are likely to be developed. China Won't Get Far Along Its New Silk Road If It Suffers a Political 'Flat Tire' offers somewhat-complex suggestions about the likely impact that this (and complementary differences related to whether or not abstract concepts can be reliably used for decision making) are currently having on the emergence of disruptive international financial, economic and political developments.

Thus putting the facts that you have outlined into the public arena (and into the hands of journalists) would certainly be a constructive move. Reactions that I have received to copies of my initial email strongly suggest that quite a number of people would choose to make representations to the review if they were aware that it is being conducted.

John Craig

Confusing Atheism with 'No Religion' in the 2016 Census

Recognizing Atheism as a Religion in Australia's 2016 Census

Recognising Atheism as a Religion in Australia's 2016 Census - email sent 5/9/15

The Office in Charge,
Review of Standards and Classifications Related to Cultural and Language Diversity,
Australian Bureau of Statistics

Mr Duncan Young (Census and Statistical Services Division, ABS) drew my attention to the review that is being undertaken of official Religious Affiliation categories as part of the ABS's Review of Standards and Classifications Related to Cultural and Language Diversity. His advice about this review was in response to a direct communication with him (' No Religion' is Not a Valid Census Category). In brief, the latter had suggested that:

religious affiliation is a critically important factor in relation to a society's social, political and economic institutions;

it is unlikely that anyone who does not suffer a significant mental impairment will not have a 'religion' (ie a broad world view based on their beliefs);

Australia has a secular state (ie one that deals with everything but religion) - and, classifying non-theistic religions (such as Atheism) as 'No Religion' implies that they should have a special status.

Reasons that it is appropriate to recognise Atheism as a religion are outlined in Should Atheism be recognized as a religion? The latter drew attention to the fact that Atheism is:

a broad world view based on its adherents' unprovable assumptions; and

increasingly organised, evangelical and characterised by claims about appropriate canons of conduct on the basis of its adherents' beliefs.

The change I am suggesting would be extremely simple.

It would require shifting Atheism from the 'No Religion' category (Item 7) in the draft Australian Standard Classification of Religious Groups and including it as a subset of the 'Other Religions' category (Item 6). For clarity, it would then be appropriate to include Atheism amongst the "Examples of 'Other' " in the draft question in relation to religion for the 2016 census (ie include Atheism together with the 'Lutheranism, Salvation Army, Judaism, Taoism and Humanism').

If religions such as Atheism were to be classified as 'No Religion' (and if 'No Religion' gains the most prominent place in the census classification), I would expect this to become a matter of significant concern and controversy as the importance of religious affiliation as the foundation of a society's social, political and economic institutions becomes increasingly recognised.

John Craig

Piecemeal Responses Show Australia Still Doesn't 'Get' Moral Breakdown

Piecemeal Responses Show Australia Still Doesn't 'Get' Moral Breakdown - email sent 26/9/15

Professor Terry Goldsworthy,
Bond University

I should like to try to add value to your suggestion that the issue of domestic violence is being viewed too narrowly. There are many different social dysfunctions that are resulting from the growing loss of individual moral responsibility towards others - and all arguably tend to have a similar cause and require an across-the-board solution that is beyond what can be achieved by government programs.

My Interpretation of your article: The federal government has announced measure to help end domestic violence. But it may exclude some victims and seems reluctant to acknowledge the extent of the problem. The response was framed as a gender issue and did not deal with family violence that was not between intimate partners. This view is too narrow. Domestic violence of all sorts has been increasing for years - but it is not viewed as a major issue. Other violence issues (eg related to bikie gangs) have gained large and instant responses - even though the recorded instances of bikie violence were vastly less than for breaches of domestic violence orders. There is a need for much more than has so far been done in responding to domestic violence.

One comment on an account of the social disaster of domestic violence (Billias M., Violence against women has become a national emergency, Daily Telegraph, 11/4/15) pointed in the same direction as your article, but went further. It noted that:

"Really, I thought VIOLENCE in general was at epidemic proportions, that is the national disgrace. Stop the gender labelling and deal with the whole issue".

I have a similar impression to that commentator about the fact that social dysfunctions within the community: (a) are widespread; (b) anything but limited to violence in 'domestic' contexts; and (c) ALL need attention. Indications of the extent of such dysfunctions and of their adverse effects not only on individuals but on the social foundations of Australia's legal and governmental institutions are in Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions (2003+).

Your article pointed to the reluctance of community leaders to face up to the whole of the problem of domestic violence. That coy response is identical to that related to the sexual abuse of children whose overall impact is probably greater than that associated with domestic violence - even if the latter were properly defined (eg see Child Sex Abuse: What About the 99%).

The fundamental problem that underpins the numerous social dysfunctions mentioned in Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions is the widespread weakening of the individual sense of moral responsibility that needs to be in place (without the external moral supervision and pressure that is usual in non-Christian contexts) if Australia's liberal institutions are to be maintained. Either that problem is seriously addressed by Australian Christian churches, or large numbers of piecemeal efforts by authorities to ensure that individuals 'behave' (like those now envisaged for domestic violence) will continue emerging and Australians will progressively lose their widely-valued and highly-advantageous 'liberty'. Reliance on social / state pressure to ensure responsible behaviour is common in societies where it is impossible to rely on individual consciences responsible to God, but this severely disadvantages affected communities (eg see Reform of Islam is the Only Real Solution to the Refugee Crisis ).

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Others' Views of Domestic Violence
Domestic Violence - email sent 30/9/15

Miranda Devine

My attention was drawn to your constructive observations about welfare traps as a major factor in domestic violence ( Demonising men won't stop domestic violence, The Telegraph, 27/9/15).

Outline: it is grim that Malcolm Turnbull's first policy announcement was a $100m gimmick blaming domestic violence on gender inequality. He demanded that women be respected. However this won't do much to ease violence in aboriginal communities and public housing estates. Poverty is the main cause of domestic violence - as reflected in the chaos of the under-class, welfare dependency, mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse. Demonizing men and pouring money into meddling bureaucracies will do noting to solve the problem. It will merely increase government interference in people's lives and disempower vulnerable men.

In relation to this I should like to draw your attention to my own speculations - namely that domestic violence needs to be viewed as simply one of a large number of social dysfunctions that have become increasingly widespread (see Piecemeal Responses Show Australia Still Doesn't 'Get' Moral Breakdown). This suggests that the breakdown of responsible behaviour by individuals is a major factor in those social dysfunctions, and that state-driven efforts to ensure that individuals 'behave' is not a viable solution to the problem if one wishes to preserve the advantages of a 'liberal' society.

Your account of the domestic violence issue was undoubtedly realistic.

However the fact is that many of the factors that give rise to welfare dependence can be a product of individual irresponsibility (eg drug and alcohol abuse; family breakdown or childbirth outside marriage that leads to the often poor prospects of those in single parent families; parental abuse and neglect of children).

Thus I would suggest that (though there is much more to it) that your welfare dependence and my individual irresponsibility explanations are to some extent opposite sides of the same coin.

John Craig

Common sense goes out the window when it comes to women's issues - as illustrated by recently announced measure to combat domestic violence. Mr Turnbull argued that all violence against women started with disrespect for them. Changing male attitudes is seen as the main challenge. White Ribbon argues that domestic violence is a widespread / hidden problem everywhere in all parts of society (regardless of location, socio-economic status, age, cultural or ethnic background) and that victims tend to be female while perpetrators are usually male. The reality however is different. Character defects should not be ignored. Neither should: tolerance for violence associated with soft court penalties; low incomes; welfare dependence; and de-facto relationships - which make violence more common that in educated, middle-class, husband and wife families. Mental illness, substance abuse and aboriginality are important contributors to domestic assaults - as are family breakdown / unfavourable Family Court decision. Current policy ignores these considerations. mental illness contributes to many of the most serious assaults - while aboriginal women can be (say) 45 times more likely to experience violence. One in three victims of partner violence are male - and males are much more likely to experience violence overall (ie including non-domestic violence). In violent households violence tends to be perpetrated by both partners. Recently announced official responses (eg refuges for battered wives and court orders) have been used for years - with negligible benefits. Throwing large additional sums at failed methods will achieve little. The problem could be better addressed through a more targeted approach. Separation is devastating for violent men who respond with helplessness, manipulative pursuits and sometimes suicide attempts [ 1]

1/3 of women have been the victim of violence at the hands of a male perpetrator - and one women is killed each week on average. there is growing evidence that this is the result of society's traditional / stereotyped beliefs about what it means to be a 'real man'. A 'real man' is believed to be powerful, dominant, assertive and in control. Many men can achieve this in other ways - but for some it requires physical force and displays of aggression. But masculinity is easily lost (eg by losing a job, or being exposed to things that are 'girly'). When men's status is attacked, they feel angry and ashamed - and need to reinstate their manhood (eg by assuming authority over women - perhaps aggressively).. Violence is most likely to be associated with men who see current ideas about manhood as central to their identity. Society thus needs to have a serious and open discussion about gender [ 1]

Respectful relationships education will be part of Victoria's school curriculum from 2016. Evidence clearly shows that the main driver of violence against women are rigid gender roles and gender inequality - and schools are a key setting for promoting healthy and respectful relationships [ 1]

All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial

All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial - email sent 24/10/15

Dr Meg Wallace
President, Rationalists' Association of NSW

As I understand it, you are suggesting that it is inappropriate to make a legal distinction between world-views that are classified as 'religions' and the many others that are not. This problem would best be overcome by recognising that all systematic / shared world-views have the basic features of religions (ie involve assumptions that are not objectively provable) - and should be treated as such in terms of freedom of belief and manifestation of that belief. However different world-views have dramatically different practical consequences for societies as a whole. Thus it would be foolish to: (a) not ensure that those consequences are widely understood; or (b) treat 'religion' as merely a matter of individual preference.

My Interpretation of your article: Article 18 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights promises freedom of 'thought, religion and conscience' and the right to manifest one's religion of belief. All nations have signed this, but freedom of belief is compromised eg because governments / religious groups use Article 18 to promote their particular religious interests (eg by seeking exemptions from discrimination laws / tax exemptions / financial support / making prayers part of Parliament process / punishing apostasy). However Article 18 should apply to any life-stance philosophy - whether religious or not. Preference for particular religious beliefs is unjustified. Ethics-based world-views (as well as atheists, agnosticism and indifference) should be included. Also there is an overlap between personal world-view liberties and other liberties (eg freedom of speech / association). Thus if belief freedoms include both religious and non-religious world-views, why is a need to give special attention to religious beliefs. There should rather be a focus on the common requirements of liberty and equality in relation to all world-views. This would allow all individuals to follow their ethical world-view. Beliefs that are labeled 'religious' are no more important than any others. However Article 18 is used to give privileges to religious groups. Academic discussion focuses on religious rights. There is endless debate about what 'religion' is (eg is it a belief in the supernatural; a faith-based rather than rational world-view; a world-view oriented to nature; or motivated by fear of eternal damnation). Emphasis should not be given to the personal ethical outlook underpinning actions, but rather the effect of action on others and its compatibility with the public interest. Special treatment for charitable works should not be confined to those motivated by religious beliefs. Providing privileges simply because of what people believe is inappropriate / socially divisive / an obstacle to some individuals living out their personal convictions / a basis for alienating some for what they believe. Freedom of religion is essential - even for those with no religion. Freedom for all thought / opinions / convictions and articulating / living-out these is needed without undue state interference. The view that religious freedom is pre-eminent is incompatible with freedom of belief.

As you have argued it is inappropriate to make a strong legal distinction between world-views that are classified as 'religions' and those that are not.

For example Atheism is clearly no less a religion that (say) Islam because it is also a matter of faith. In the case of Atheism that faith is apparently in 'reason, science and critical thinking' and the latter (while very useful up to a point) suffer significant limitations as means for promoting full human understanding of reality (see the present writer's case for Recognizing Atheism as a Religion in Australia's 2016 Census). Likewise it seems that Rationalism would also appropriately be regarded as a religion from the viewpoint of Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. For example it is noted that the Rationalist Association of NSW "defines rationalism as the attitude of mind which unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason. Its aim is to establish a system of philosophy and ethics independent of all arbitrary assumptions or authority." Given the limitations on human reason that are recognised in many social sciences (eg economists argue for market economies / decentralized-decision-making because of the limitations of central planners' ability to make appropriate decisions' rationally), it is very clear that Rationalism is also world-view that is heavily based on its adherents' beliefs and assumptions rather than being objectively provable. And, like Atheists before them, Rationalists now seem to be adopting other traditional features of religions - ie making claims about canons of conduct on the basis of their beliefs and assumptions (eg see Rights, Conscience Votes and Assisted Dying, 2015).

Moreover people's world-views / religions have massive practical consequences for their societies as a whole. It is thus unwise to treat them as purely a matter of individual belief. For example:

Economists reasonably recognise 'knowledge' as the primary driver of economic growth - yet different world-views are associated with dramatically different abilities to acquire and use knowledge (eg see Culture Matters in Competing Civilizations, 2001). The use of reason (ie abstract concepts as models of reality) has worked fairly well for Western societies in recent centuries - but only because widespread Christian adherence within the community provided not only hope for individuals but also afoundation for social, political and economic arrangements in which the issues individuals confront could be simple enough to reduce the limitations of reason that apply in more complex situations (seeCultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual, 2001). By contrast the absence of the social, political and economic frameworks in which reason would be a fairly reliable basis for problem solving has severely limited progress in predominantly Islamic societies (seeEncouraging Reform of Islam: Mr Turnbull's Opportunity to Counter Islamist Radicalization, 2015) . And in a different way the world-views of indigenous Australians have also limited their prospects (eg related to a lack of the emphasis on abstract learning that Western societies inherited from classical Greece, and an emphasis on maintaining who they are rather than encouraging / accepting change) - seeThe Challenge of Aboriginal Advancement (2002);

The foundations of Australia's liberal legal and government institutions (and of a secular state) are being further eroded as those who adhere to world-views that are not traditionally classified as 'religions' seek to promote their 'actually-religious' beliefs through political processes (see Keeping Religion out of Australian Politics, 2009+).

For these reasons it seems appropriate to:

pay systematic attention to the implications of the world-views / religions that affect Australians (eg see It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities, 2014). The key to achieving this would arguably be to encourage the social science and humanities faculties in universities to get off their 'modern and post-modern backsides' and start to study the practical consequences of differences in cultural assumptions (see alsoA Case for Restoring Universities, 2010);

remind churches of the importance of Christianity not only to individuals, but to maintaining the independent individual responsibility that is the foundation of Australia's current and reasonably effective legal and government institutions;. and

eliminate any government privileges granted to particular world-views / religions (ie ensure that Australia's system of government is truly secular). Current efforts by Victoria's Government that appear to involve promoting a state religion might be seen as counter-productive in this regard. However they are actually likely to be constructive, because Christian churches' dependence on governments has both distorted their activities and impeded their ability to undertake their core mission.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Changing Religious Affiliation: Why Reliable Statistics are Important

Changing Religious Affiliation: Why Reliable Statistics are Important - email sent 10/12/15

Norman Morris,
Roy Morgan

My attention was belatedly drawn to the facts that your surveys have revealed about changing religious affiliation in Australia (eg significant falls in reported Christian affiliation as the percentage claiming 'no religion' rises).

I would like to suggest that there is a need for careful attention to claims of 'no religious affiliation' - because many world-views that have conventionally been classified as 'no religion' are in fact non-traditional religions (see All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial). The latter builds on a claim by the NSW Rationalists Association that their world-view should be officially recognized as equivalent to a religion, and a submission I made to the Australian Bureau of Statistics that Atheism should also be recognized as a religion.

It might pay Roy Morgan to also consider how religious affiliations are classified - because religious affiliation make a massive difference to a society. The significance of this is starting to become a matter of public debate. For example a former Australian prime minister (Tony Abbott) has claimed that there is a need for an Islamic reformation to deal with the problem of Islamist extremism (see Tony Abbott calls for a Religious reformation of Islam, The Australian, 9/12/15).

Thus reliable statistics about changes to religious affiliation will be vital to understand the implications for Australia's future political and economic options.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations

John Craig

Where Did Religious Freedom Come From?

Where Did Religious Freedom Come From? - email sent 18/12/15

Paul Syvret,
Courier Mail

Re: Tax Breaks Not God's Gift, Courier Mail, 15/12/15

Your article suggested that 'religion' is not of any particular value to society - so that while social services provided by religious organisations should receive 'tax breaks', the proselytising role of such organisations (ie that related to seeking converts) should not receive government support. In other words you argued that there is a need not only to separate church and state but to break the link between church and charity. You also suggested that religion is purely a personal matter.

However I should like to submit for your consideration that that suggestion is naïve. Australia has benefited enormously from the individual liberty that a secular state (ie one that deals with everything but religion) allows - but this can only be maintained where there is a significant majority Christian adherence in a community. While a person's religion has many significant implications for themselves alone, New Testament Christianity seems to be unique in endorsing individual freedom of religion.

My Interpretation of your article: Religion, regardless of a person's faith or lack of it, is about the most private and personal of free choices. Despite right-wing efforts to impose narrow world views (eg about school chaplaincy, dog-whistling bigotry about Islam and hysterical claims about marriage equality) Australia is largely a secular country. It is also blessed with many different religious beliefs, as well as indifference. However many are concerned about the legislated privilege and preference given to organised religion. Religion is a part of people's private lives that is totally optional - yet billions are provided every year through the budget to support religion. Churches don't pay income / company tax and are also exempt from state taxes and charges as well as local government rates. The faithful are subsidised by everyone else - on the assumption that the advancement of religion is philanthropic and beneficial to the community. Given the sectarian hatred that theological dogma is spawning (and this is not limited to Islam), the community benefit from supporting religion is debatable. The charitable arms of churches deserve support. However the proselytizing and empire building operations of churches should bear the same load as other large businesses. Australia has always had a fairly effective separation between church and state. There needs to be a similar distinction between church and charity.

Your article's suggestion that religion is only a private matter seem to me to be wrong for reasons detailed on my website. In brief those reasons are:

Individual moral freedom from coercive family / community / state supervision has played a major role in the rapid progress that Western societies have achieved in recent centuries - because it allowed rationality to be effective as a reasonably reliable method for progressive problem solving. Such religious freedom was a significant feature of New Testament Christianity - and was only possible because God (rather than would-be human 'gods') was accepted as the source of moral / religious authority ;

New Testament Christianity was emphasised at the time of the Reformation and ultimately provided the foundation for the development of 'liberal' Western social, economic and political institutions;

Freedom from external efforts to control individuals' thinking and behaviour is unusual (unique?) - both in history and in other current religious contexts;

There is a chronic failure in Australia to consider the practical consequences of religion - even though the cost of ignorance is huge and numerous current threats exist to Australia's liberal institutions;

Overcoming such threats (as well as enhancing individuals' long-term wellbeing) depends critically on the success of Christian churches in carrying forward their mission. Whether government tax concessions aid or distort that mission could usefully be considered;

Ignoring contributions to debates about political issues such as those you mentioned because they are seen to have a 'religious' source would be dangerously narrow.

As you are undoubtedly aware, debates about religion can't be conducted in a political framework if Australia is to maintain the advantages of its secular state. Thus the issue can only be resolved by those who are directly involved in Australia's many religions (including the rapidly increasing numbers of would-be 'gods' who do not accept the teaching by Christianity's founder that ultimate judgment about the morality of others' behaviour should be left to God).

John Craig
Where Did Religious Freedom Come From? -- Detailed Argument
Individual liberty has played a major role in recent centuries in the rapid progress that Western societies enjoyed. Freedom from external supervision of whether individuals' behaviour meets accepted standards (which are embodied in religions) has allowed rationality (ie the use of abstract concepts as a model of reality) to be used for reasonably effective problem solving by people in all walks of life where compatible institutional arrangements are in place (eg a rule of law, democracy and market-driven economies). The reason for this increased effectiveness (which relates to the inadequacies of rationality in the 'complex' social, political and economic contexts - including those that must exist where individuals' behaviour is supervised by families / communities / states) is explored in Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual (2001).

Freedom from supervision of individuals' behaviour by families / communities / states was foundational to New Testament Christianity (see The Judeo-Christian Foundation). Teachings about this were accompanied by an understanding that individuals' ultimate moral accountability is to God (rather than to other people). Rather than acting in accordance with detailed and prescriptive religious laws or traditions that human (religious) authorities favoured, individuals were freed to act in accordance with their understanding of how the spirit of Divine law applied in their particular circumstances (and were aware that they ultimately faced Divine next-life judgment for what they decided and did). The resulting religious freedom was arguably a 'gift' that accompanied the other gifts that could only come from God (eg forgiveness of sins and eternal life) which Christianity's founder made available to individuals who chose to accept them. And the freedom from religious authoritarianism that was embodied in New Testament Christianity was again emphasised in Europe at the time of the Reformation and (because it embodied an expectation of individual 'moral sentiments' towards others) was an essential foundation of the development of 'liberal' Western social, economic and political institutions (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions, 2010).

However such freedom is unusual. For example:

In ancient civilizations official state religions that all citizens with significant roles were expected to conform to were common (see Wikipedia's State Religion). Theocracy (ie the notion that states were ultimately governed by gods through human intermediaries) were also common (seeWikipedia's Theocracy). And in many significant ancient civilizations, ruling kings / emperors claimed divine origin or status (seeWikipedia's Imperial Cult). In more recent centuries, a divine right to rule was claimed by European kings, while Eastern emperors themselves claimed divinity - a tradition that was overt in Japan in the 1930s and 1940s. North Korea's official religion in the 1990s was the cult of Kim Il Sung, and right up to the present Islamists (such as the so-called Islamic State) seek to establish a theocracy - ie a system where they would have a divine right to rule (ie on behalf of God). And, in the 1980s China's president's wereattributed the 'mantle of heaven' (the traditional religious basis for the authority of East Asian emperors) by the so-called 'Communist' Party. President Xi Jinping also seems to be seeking to promote a religion (ie Confucianism) to boost his authority (seebelow);

In the context of ancient civilizations, the Mosaic Law had challenged the ability of would-be human 'gods' or 'agents of god' to claim moral authority over others. However the role that religious legalists played in interpreting / elaborating the Mosaic Law then created a new layer of human claims to moral authority in the Jewish world which was only challenged when Christianity's founder: proclaimed the Kingdom of God; issued a commandment against judging one another (Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37); and criticised those who taught their own opinions as 'Law' (Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:8). He thusupset the then-dominant religious legalists in Jerusalem and divine-imperialists in Rome to the point that they united in having him crucified;

In traditional tribal societies the 'tribe' constrains individuals to act in accordance with tribal traditions. Thus traditional tribal societies have been as severely disadvantaged as ancient civilizations were in terms of their inability to progress by using 'rational' / analytical methods for solving social, economic and political problems. Rationality / analysis fail in dealing with complex situations including those that arise where it is necessary for individuals to conform with the traditional behavioural expectations of others who do not fully appreciate an individual's new / local context. One can wish that modern indigenous societies should enjoy the same benefits as others - but, if their traditional cultures / religions remain unchanged, indigenous peoples' prospects will probably always tend be poor (eg see UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples: Perpetuating Disadvantage?);

A currently significant example of the constraints on progress associated with 'tribalism' exists in the Muslim world. The latter, especially in the Middle East, have suffered chronic problems in recent centuries. These, as well as the conflicts, refugee flows and Islamist extremism they now generate, might be eased by reform of Islam to do away with the religious legalism and authoritarianism that arguably derives from Islam's origin in an Arabic tribal context (see Drawing Attention to Opportunities to Reform Islam is Constructive);

And Islam is not alone now in the view that subject people should strictly conform to the behaviours they are conditioned to undertake by religious authoritarians. The methods for stimulating rapid economic development in East Asia have roots in Confucianism - which for centuries prior to Western expansion was the (non-theistic) religious basis for government in Asia (seeUnderstanding East Asia's Neo-Confucian Systems of Socio-political-economy). And China's president seems now to be trying the promote Confucianism as an official religion to legitimize China's authoritarian system of government (seeThe Resurgence of Ancient Authoritarianism in China, 2014;China's Government's Search for Religious Authority; andMerging Political Power and Religion Can Create Problems ).

Failure to recognise the importance of religion for societies is endemic in Australia (see It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities, 2014). The costs of ignorance about, and a determination to ignore, such matters are huge. For example:

Conflicts can arise when people whose prospects are adversely affected by dysfunctional cultural traits have no way to understand the cause of their problems, and thus may blame others (see Cultural Ignorance as a Source of Conflict, 2001);

Massive costs in human lives and money were incurred in an attempt to install a hopefully-successful Western-style / liberal system in Iraq as a model for the Middle East. However, because of a neglect of the practical implications of religion, those who did so had no way to know that, for 'liberal' institutions to work, there was a need for a compatible cultural foundation - and that such a foundation did not then exist in Iraq (see Fatal Flaws, 2003);

Similar obstacles arguably existed decades earlier to success in introducing liberal institutions in Asia (eg the US-led attempt to stop the spread of Communism by encouraging the development in Vietnam of 'liberal' political and economic institutions). There did not seem to be any consideration of the virtual impossibility of doing so in a 'communitarian' culture (ie one that emphasises the activities and welfare of a community as a whole, rather than of the individuals within it ).

Australia's highly advantageous liberal social, political and economic institutions can be seen as a 'gift from God'. However there seem to be numerous current threats to those liberal institutions that receive little or no attention. For example:

Maintaining Australia's liberal institutions and the advantages they provide (as well as enhancing the long-term wellbeing of Australia's citizens) depends critically on the success of Christian churches in bringing Australians to a direct relationship with God. The extent to which their role in seeking converts should be supported by tax concessions can be debated in that context. Perhaps breaking churches free of the relatively easy life and political constraints that accompany reliance on state financial concessions might provide them with renewed vigour to do what needs to be done.

Finally, while there is value in your suggestion that issues such as school chaplaincy, Islam and same sex marriage should not be dealt with from a narrow perspective, it needs to be recognised that ignoring contributions because they are seen to have a religious source would be dangerously narrow - for reasons suggested: (a) above in relation to the role that religion plays as either a foundation of, or an obstacle to, liberal institutions; and (b) in Same-sex Marriage Debate is Not Just About Competing Freedoms.

Taxpayer Support for Religion: The Case for a Benefit / Cost Analysis

Taxpayer Support for Religion: The Case for a Benefit / Cost Analysis - email sent 26/3/16

Senator David Leyonhjelm

Re: Gartrell A., Turnbull government could save $350m by scrapping taxpayer support for religion, The Australian, 25/3/16

You were reported as: (a) requesting that the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) estimate the cost of taxpayer support for religion, and (b) suggesting that this amount should be saved by the Turnbull Government. You also reportedly noted that Christianity has made a significant contribution to liberal democratic values. I should like to suggest that a cost-benefit analysis would be more appropriate than a mere estimate of costs.

My Interpretation of the above article in which you were quoted: The Turnbull government could save $350m over several years by scrapping taxpayer support for religious organisations. The Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) found a saving of $390m over the forward estimates of which $100m would go to states as GST. Scrapping the controversial National School Chaplaincy Program would save $60m. Senator Leyonhjelm released these findings and said that, while Christianity had made a significant contribution to liberal democratic values, religion should not be funded by taxpayers. Liberal Democrats don't oppose religion - but do oppose government support for religion, as it is a private matter. The PBO cautioned that its estimates were of low reliability.

There is no doubt (as you reportedly suggested) that Christianity was the foundation of the liberal social, economic and political institutions Australia inherited (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions, 2010). And, as the latter suggested, such liberty: (a) is unique to the Judeo-Christian tradition (see also Where Did Religious Freedom Come From?, 2015); and (b) confers huge practical advantages by making it possible to use abstract concepts / rationality as a basis for reasonably reliable decision making in liberal social, economic and political contexts. It is only where individuals can be presumed (by social / political elites) to generally act responsibly (ie on the basis of their recognition of their next-life accountability to God) that effective liberal institutional environments can be created - because the failures that the social sciences recognize as constraining rationality in complex contexts can be overcome where elites can not claim god-like moral authority to control others' behaviour.

It is inadequate to merely identify the 'cost' of government support for 'religion', without estimating the benefits. For example, where the religious liberty that Christianity's founder made possible does not exist, affected communities can be seriously constrained in their ability to achieve social, economic and political 'progress' and this has adverse consequences that are anything but trivial or costless (eg see Muslims' Problems are Not Limited to Islamist Extremism, and Can't Be Solved Simply by Reclaiming Islam's Past Intellectual Traditions). Moreover declining adherence to Christianity in countries such as Australia has also been anything but costless (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions, 2003+). The latter refers to:

the emergence of serious social symptoms because of a loss of individual responsibility - given liberal institutions and a loss of recognition by many individual's of their accountability to God. This translates into huge imposts on government budgets (eg consider the costs of many men's loss of a sense of family responsibility that results in children living with their mothers in single parent families where their prospects of success in life / avoiding welfare dependence on governments are significantly reduced - see also Grounds for Investigating the Safe Schools Program); and

human claims to moral authority (eg by 'political correctness' movements) in an attempt to deal with the consequences of individuals' ignoring their moral accountability to God. Those claims constrain the effectiveness of rational / responsible individuals in 'liberal' social, economic and political institutions, just as social / political elite's claims that they are a god (or are acting for a god or that they have philosophical insights that others should be required to comply with) do under religions that lack Christianity's religious liberty.

Thus, while Christianity's primary emphasis is on eternal benefits to individuals, it is not valid to suggest (as you reportedly did) that religion is merely 'a private matter' (ie that religion has no whole of society consequences).

Thus I submit that, to complement the PBO's estimates of the cost of government support for religion, it would be desirable to commission an estimate of the benefits. Such an estimate could perhaps be produced by those members of the social sciences / humanities faculties of Australia's universities who are not prevented from doing so by currently-pervasive postmodern ideologies (see It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities, 2014). They would not, however, be able to reach any meaningful conclusion about the benefits of 'religion' generally, as the benefits depend on which 'religion' / worldview is being considered (see also All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial, 2015).

John Craig

Reporting the Practical Consequences of Changing Religious Adherence

Reporting the Practical Consequences of Changing Religious Adherence - email sent 28/3/16

Jackie Sinnerton,
Sunday Mail
RE: God is not dead but dying, Sunday Mail, 27/3/16
Your article referred to data about declining religious adherence in Australia / Queensland that have been assembled by Mark McCrindle. I should like to suggest that, while such data are relevant, the potential practical consequences of the observed changes are even more important, and should be mentioned when the basic data are reported. Perhaps Mark McCrindle, as a social researcher, has views about this that could be the subject of a future article.

My Interpretation of your article: God is slowly losing believers - according to new research. Increasingly Australians tick the 'no religion' boxes on official documents, and twice as many turn away from God than convert to religion. 61% identify as Christians - a percentage that is in slow decline. 60% of pensioners identify as Christians but a similar percentage of Gen Ys are atheist. Catholic Archbishop Mark Coleridge (St Stephen's Cathedral, Brisbane) acknowledges steady decline in Queensland's church attendance - and argues that people increasing are interested in spirituality without belonging to an institution. 13% of Australians will attend Easter services, while 61% said that they definitely would not. 86% of people surveyed believed that Jesus existed but was just an ordinary man. Brisbane people still however have relatively strong religious commitment (and would thus not tick the 'no religion' box in census) compared with most other capitals.

Your report on the statistics / surveys about changing religious affiliation that Mark McCrindle referred to was useful because those changes have profound implications for Australia's future political and economic prospects. Reasons for this were suggested in Changing Religious Affiliation: Why Reliable Statistics are Important, 2015. Amongst other aspects the latter referred to All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial (2015) which had highlighted:

why Atheism (which your article said that 60% of Gen-Y identify with) should be treated a 'religion' for official / census purposes. Atheism is like recognised 'religions' as it: (a) involves assumptions that are not objectively provable; and (b) is becoming organised. Atheism is also like most traditional 'religions' as Atheists increasingly try to define canons of behaviour on the basis of their beliefs (eg in the power of reason, science, and critical thinking). As noted above, doing so is incompatible with effective liberal social, economic and political institutions. It would be misleading, and make it impossible to predict the practical consequences of changing religious affiliation, unless a clear distinction is made between people who really have no systematic world-view and those who adhere to the organised non-theistic religions such as Atheism that have been emerging.

The adverse practical consequences of widespread adherence to Atheism can be illustrated by the title that (presumably) an editor gave to your article. The title implied that reduced Christian adherence in Australia was in some ways 'killing God'. In the 19 th century Fredrick Nietzsche, like your (presumed) editor, suggested that Atheists had 'killed God' with science. Nietzsche, reasonably, was concerned that Atheists had thereby deprived society of the divine moral authority that had been its foundation. However his view that claims by Atheists that advances in human knowledge had actually 'killed God' don't seem realistic (eg see People Who Dismiss Christian Faith Because They Know Better are Building their Houses on Weak Foundations).

John Craig

A Case for 'Missionaries'

A Case for 'Missionaries' - email sent 9/5/16

David Penberthy,
Sunday Mail
Re: I'm fast losing my appetite for wellness missionaries, Sunday Mail, 8/5/16 (also here)
Your article suggested that, while "it has long been accepted that Christian fundamentalists are amongst the most annoying people on earth" (because of their enthusiastic proselytising), "the decline of religious observance has overlapped with an emerging cult of the self, where God has been replaced by the individual" and as a result "Fundamentalists are being eclipsed in the proselytising stakes by a new brand of preacher, the lifestyle gurus who ae so thrilled by their own manner of existence they are determined to convert others to the cause"'.

You also indicated concern about this because, while the new wellness missionaries "are ... free to practise their chosen faith", .. they should ... "spare the rest of us the proselytising".

I should like to suggest for your consideration that 'missionaries' (ie those who seek to convince by force of argument) are a lot better than authoritarian alternatives (ie those whose use of force is not limited to argument).

Moreover your freedom (and the 'wellness missionaries' freedom) to act in accordance with their individual consciences depends critically on the proselytising success of the Christian 'missionaries' in ensuring a high level of Christian adherence in a community (for reasons suggested in Where Did Religious Freedom Come From? and Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions, 2010). There are a lot worse alternatives to Christian (and 'wellness') missionaries (eg consider All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial). As the 'cult of the self' that your article mentioned is increasingly dominating people's understanding in Australia, social dysfunctions are emerging that are inspiring many to themselves claim 'god-like' moral authority and force others to comply (eg consider the 'political correctness' movements and the political leaders who seek to declare themselves to be moral authorities and force others to comply with their perceptions of appropriate behaviour) - see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions (2003+).

Might I suggest paying close attention to what the Christian 'missionaries' have been proselytising (ie trying to convince others by force of argument) about. This is documented in the New Testament and records the experience of those who:

were exposed about 2000 years ago to a person (Jesus of Nazareth) who: (a) many (including a lot of non-Christians) regard are the greatest moral teacher of all time; (b) suggested that followers who identified him as the son of God were correct; (c) was brutally executed by ruling Roman authorities with the encouragement of religious leaders - and then resurrected; and (d) raised hope of eternal life also for those of his followers who were 'born again' of the spirit;

were so convinced by what they had seen and heard that they took on the world (ie proselytised the 'good news' they had been given) in Jesus name - even though most were killed for doing so; and

started a process that (apparently because of the motivation and strength that the Christian 'good news' gave to converts - ie to responsibly help themselves and others) led eventually to the triumph of the 'Kingdom of God' that Jesus had proclaimed over the authoritarian state and religious powers of that day (eg in about 330 CE imperial Rome adopted Christianity as its official religion).

It would also be useful to consider the weak intellectual foundations of those who prefer the 'cult of the self' to the Kingdom of God (eg see The Limits to 'science, reason and critical thinking', 2010+) and the oppression that yet another alternative, ie 'the cult of the community', is likely to generate (see Merging Political Power and Religion Can Create Problems).

John Craig

Christian Influence on Australia's Political System

Christian Influence on Australia's Political System - email sent 15/6/16

Jim Wallace and Lyle Sheldon
Australian Christian Lobby
Re: Robinson G., Australian Christian Lobby: the rise and fall of the religious right, The Conversation, 14/6/16
This article discussed the Australian Christian Lobby's influence within Australia's political system, and suggested that it is declining.

I should like to submit for your consideration that Christian churches should arguably not be directly involved in politics - for reasons outlined in Church's Mission (eg Jesus did things for people, rather than lobbying for others to do so; Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom of God, not a kingdom of man; there are significant limits on people's ability to get the 'right' answer about complex issues even through reason and modern science; andJesus emphasised the limits on human knowledge and wisdom - even that based on traditional religious teachings).

Christian churches can potentially influence political outcomes far more effectively by affecting the character of the Australian community - perhaps as suggested in more detail here.

John Craig

PS: Federal election 2016: church should focus on its flock ( Inside Story, 23/5/16) may be of interest as it also suggests that Christian leaders would achieve more by refocusing their efforts away from politics.

Jesus charged his followers with bringing salvation to individuals by bringing them to a relationships with God ( Matthew 28: 18-20). And doing so successfully has a potentially massive influence on society as a whole (in addition to its benefits to individuals) because the individual responsibly and freedom associated with Christianity means that widespread Christian adherence can create a highly advantageous social foundation for a societies' political and economic activities.

The nature and significance of the social foundation that Christianity can provide is explored in Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual. Individuals' ultimate (ie next life) moral accountability solely to God is a unique feature of the Judeo-Christian tradition (see Where Did Religious Freedom Come From?).

Acceptance that individuals (generally presumed to have inbuilt 'moral sentiments' because of their accountability to God) should be free from the moral authority of the self-righteous (eg tribal elders, 'god-kings', religious legalists) ultimately allowed the creation of 'liberal' institutions (eg involving a rule of law, democracy and market economies). And those liberal' frameworks then allowed rationality and analysis to be used reasonably effectively for problem solving by people in all walks of life to accelerate constructive social, political and economic changes. At the same time individuals' freedom from self-righteous claims of moral authority forced the emergence of secular states (ie state dealing with everything but religion) - and the latter were able to be more effective in dealing with (say) public goods and services because they were not embroiled in micro-enforcement of conformity with self-righteous perceptions of appropriate individual behaviour.

The Christian social foundations of Australia's liberal institutions seem to be at risk from from the reported increasing adherence to Atheism (especially by young people - see outline in Sinnerton J., 'God is not dead but dying', Sunday Mail, 27/3/16). However it would not be hard to show that adherents to Atheism (and other religions that require ignoring the limits to human reason and science in understanding reality) are building their houses on very weak foundations.

Getting on with the Churches' mission in a way that successfully challenged the rising influence of Atheism and other non-theistic religions could: (a) encourage larger numbers of Australians to take a responsible and considered approach to everything they deal with including politics (eg consider the implications of Matthew 22: 36-40; Mark 12:28:34 and John 14:26); and (b) increase the numbers of electors / politicians who understand and accept Christian teachings.

Serious mission should also strengthen the foundations of Australia's liberal institutions by reducing both: (a) the social dysfunctions that have accompanied the widespread loss of individual responsibility in recent decades; and (b) the ability of the self-righteous (eg political correctness movements) to impose their perceptions of appropriate values and behaviour on the community (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions).

Should Australia's Political Leaders be 'Marketing' Islam?

Should Australia's Political Leaders be 'Marketing' Islam? - email sent 18/6/16

Fergus Hunter and Adam Gartrell,
Brisbane Times

Your article noted that Mr Turnbull argued for unity with Muslims in Australia. However he seemed to go beyond this - ie to actually 'marketing' Islam. He implied that there was nothing in mainstream Islam that could be used to justify terrorist attacks. While it is desirable to encourage Australians to support Muslims, it seems essential to also encourage Muslims to reform their religion to eliminate the difficulties that it currently creates: (a) for themselves; and (b) in their relationships with others. While the broad Muslim community may not be to blame for the acts of extremists, the same does not apply to their religion.

My Interpretation of your article: Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull appealed for unity as 'one Australian family' in the face of terror attacks such as the Orlando massacre. He told a Ramadan gathering that the broader Muslim community should not be blamed for the acts of a minority of extremists. Mr Turnbull hosted an Iftar fast-breaking dinner - a tradition of the Muslim Holy month of Ramadan. He acknowledged the important contribution that Muslims have made to Australia. He spoke of the anxiety of many Muslims in relation to any back lash against the violent acts of a small minority who defame and blaspheme against their faith - and often cause their whole community to be blamed. Extremists (including those committing violence through a warped and nihilist interpretation of religion) hope to create divisions - but they will not win. Acts like the Orlando massacre are intended to generate divisions along the lines of race, religion, sect and sexuality - but such divisions must not prevail. Australians must stand together. Mr Turnbull described Australia as the most successful multi-cultural society - and suggested that it is enriched by its diversity. Muslims are an integral part of Australia so hosting an Iftar is a good idea. The whole diversity of Australia was present at an event that is important to Muslims.

In relation to Mr Turnbull's 'marketing' approach to Islam you might be interested in:

An outline of, and suggestions related to, the recently changed views of the former British Equalities official who invented the term 'Islamophobia' (see Why Muslims Don't Integrate: A Suggestion). He now apparently believes that those who maintain that there are no obstacles to Muslim integration in a Western environment are the major problem - not those who point to indicators of such obstacles;

The views of a formerly-Middle-Eastern Australian about the need to monitor what is being taught in mosques (seeIslamic Radicalization). He apparently believes that mosques can be the primary source of Islamic radicalism;

The of a former devout Muslim (Majid Rafizadeh, Harvard University) that Islam can not be a religion of peace even though it advocates some good things because it also endorses the use of extreme violence to achieve them .

On the basis of several years attempting to understand the practical consequences of cultural differences (see Competing Civilizations, 2001+) and the origins of Islamist extremism in particular (see Discouraging Pointless Extremism, 2002+), it seems to me that the Muslim world suffers (and inflicts suffering on others) because of the expectation that (rather than relying on individuals' consciences) family / community / state pressure should be imposed on individuals to promote conformity with (religious legalists' understanding of) what Islamic teaching requires. This inhibits the difference / initiative / innovation that social, economic and political progress requires - and thus arguably explains many of the problems most Muslim-majority states have experienced in recent centuries (eg chronic economic backwardness and political authoritarianism to suppress religious authoritarians). Moreover it also explains an apparent belief that responsible behaviour by individuals requires that they be exposed only to the influences of others who will subject them to 'Islamic' disciplines (and thus why moderate Muslim communities tend to separate themselves from non-Muslims and why extremists (such as Islamic State) believe that 'peace' requires converting, killing or driving away non-Muslims). This point is developed briefly in Why Muslims Don't Integrate: A Suggestion and in more detail in Encouraging Reform of Islam: Mr Turnbull's Opportunity to Counter Islamist Radicalization (2015). The key to reforming Islam to overcome these problems is probably for Muslims to take the teachings about religious liberty of its greatest prophet ('Isa - who Christians call Jesus) more seriously - though there have been many other suggestions about what is needed (see Reform of Islam is the Only Real Solution to the Refugee Crisis, 2015).

There has been controversy following Mr Turnbull's Iftar about the fact that various influential Australian Muslim sheiks / imams have endorsed the view that homosexuals should be put to death (eg see Morton R. and Khalik J., Imams line up to condemn homosexuality, The Australian, 18/6/16). The fact that they believe that homosexuality is wrong is popularly seen to be a problem. However the real problem (for Muslims and non-Muslims) is what they argue should be done about it - ie that the community should inflict severe punishment on those that religious leaders believe are guilty of sin - rather than simply warning them that they face ultimate judgment by God whose consequences could be worse than anything that man could do to them.

Note added later: The fact that some Australian sheiks and imams apparently believe that homosexuals should be put to death tends to support the view of the formerly-Middle-Eastern Australian quoted that mosques can be a source of Islamic radicalization so there is a need to be aware of what is being taught there.

You reported that Mr Turnbull believes that Australia is the most successful multi-cultural society. However, as implied above, culture can have serious adverse consequences. Thus for Australia to really deal with diverse cultures successfully requires that the practical consequences of cultural differences be researched and understood - rather than ignored on the assumption that they will always be irrelevant (see Moving Australia Beyond Traditional Multiculturalism, 2010). Furthermore Australia's political leaders should be prepared to provide leadership (not only to the mainstream community) but also to minority groups (such as Australia's Muslims) if features of their traditional cultures are found that disadvantage themselves and / or harm others.

Australia's political leaders might also be smart to consider the suggestions by the author of Islamic Radicalization (above). If he is correct (ie that what is taught in mosques can be the main source of radicalization - a suggestion which I have no basis for either supporting or rejecting) then surely proposals for building mosques (such as that recently approved in Bendigo) should be evaluated from a national security viewpoint - not just in terms of town planning and minority rights' considerations.

John Craig

Queensland's Government Risks Shooting Itself in the Foot

Queensland's Government Risks Shooting Itself in the Foot - email sent 21/8/16

Amy Remekis,
Brisbane Times

I should like to comment on two recent Brisbane Times articles which are outlined on my web-site. In these you drew attention a state review of faith-based religious instruction as a result of concerns expressed to the Education Minister by the principal of the Windsor State School, ie that ('Connect') materials being used for religious instruction might 'solicit' children to Christianity in contravention of government policy.

The Queensland Government's approach to Christian-faith-based religious instruction is dangerously narrow for not-easy-to-understand reasons outlined on my website. In brief it is suggested that:

Though individuals and communities gain the main benefits of Christianity, widespread Christian adherence is critical to the viability of Australia's liberal political and economic institutions because: (a) it provides for innate individual moral responsibility; and (b) this enables 'liberal institutions' to use reason and analysis to achieve reasonably-reliable 'progress'. The latter can't be reliable (and don't tend to be emphasised) in religious / cultural traditions where families / communities / states are expected to supervise individuals to ensure appropriate behaviour;

Declining Christian adherence has been associated with increases in social dysfunctions that reflect a loss of individual moral responsibility. This is being accompanied by diverse human attempts to replace God as the source of moral authority in individuals' lives. Doing so is undermining the practical effectiveness of liberal political and economic institutions (such as Australia's democratic governments and economy);

It is foolish for democratic governments such as Queensland's to try to control Christian faith-based religious education because their power to control anything at all is ultimately based on the success of Christian proselytizing in creating a social environment that can support liberal political and economic institutions. Moreover their effectiveness in governing and providing public goods and services depends on the separation of church and state which they would undermine by controlling religious instruction;

Social and emotional learning programs that have been introduced in schools to counter symptoms of a loss of responsibility (such as bullying) are inadequate. The same applies to religious 'education' programs that are seen as an alternative to faith-based religious 'instruction'. Victoria's policy on this lacks educational credibility because of: (a) an apparent inability to understand that supposedly 'secular' world views are no less based on unprovable assumptions than conventionally-recognised 'faiths'; and (b) a lack of focus on the practical big-picture consequences of various religious traditions;

There is an emerging 'clash of civilizations' which poses risks to the global order and to Australia. This has its origin in the incompatibility of the individual freedom and liberal political and economic institutions that the West's Christian heritage allowed and those that involve control by authoritarian political / religious / social elites (eg in Russian, neo-Confucian and aspirational-Islamist contexts).

The fact that decisions seem to be being made by Education Queensland about Christian-faith-based religious instruction in state schools without reference to such issues is of real concern. The Queensland Government risks 'shooting itself in the foot'.

John Craig

An Interpretation of Articles
Education Queensland will review the religious instruction (RI) materials being used in state schools after one school found a popular program might be 'soliciting' children to Christianity in contradiction of departmental policy. Windsor State School principal (Matthew Keong) suspended RI in his school - after he found that 'Connect' materials tried to entreat children to the Christian faith. Connect lessons go beyond imparting knowledge of Biblical references and seek to encourage a personal faith in God and Jesus. The Connect materials remind instructors that most children will not yet be Christians. Education minister, Kate Jones, has ordered a review of the program. [She reportedly indicated that Connect material seemed offensive]. She was concerned if materials were being used that were outside the government's guidelines for RI, and indicated that they would be removed from schools if this was found to be so. Paul Clark (Queensland Religious Instruction Network) said that cooler heads would allow RI to continue. It is unfortunate, he said, that one principal has put forward concerns that independent legal advice shows to be mistaken, and that this is the basis of a review of the whole system. While Connect has triggered the review it is understood that other parental concerns will be considered. No program used during RI (which is usually delivered by volunteers and is faith based rather than presenting educational aspects of religion - such as history, theology, other religions, cultural impact) has been approved by the Education Department. However up to one hour of curriculum time is available for RI. Victoria removed RI from its curriculum last year - replacing it with history and cultural classes. Queensland's overall curriculum is being reviewed by the Queensland Curriculum and Assessment Authority due to concerns the curriculum has become 'overcrowded'. ( Religious instruction in state schools 'soliciting' children to Christian faith, Brisbane Times, 6/8/16)

The Palaszczuk Government is expected to announce reforms to religious instruction (RI), but won't remove it from the curriculum. Only children whose parents give explicit permission will take part in RI classes. The Education Minister noted that the review is ongoing. The review started with a focus on a particular program but has been widened to deal with more transparency about what is being taught, to who and how. At present parents have to write their children's religion on enrolment forms - but those who have written no religion have been placed in RI classes. The latter are Christian faith based, run by volunteers and differ from religious education in that they do not teach about the history of theology or other religions - but largely take the form of bible classes. Queensland probably won't remove RI from the classroom - as Victoria did. But after a Brisbane principal suspended the program because he thought that the texts were proselytizing children, the government will examine what is being taught more widely. Currently principals approve what program is taught in their schools, while the department has no information about what is being taught. The review might result in it doing so ( Religious instruction to remain in Queensland schools, Brisbane Times, 18/8/16)

The following suggests that culture (including world-views / religions) have major implications for the way societies function - and particularly for their prospects of political and economic progress (eg see Culture Matters). This is derived from an early opportunity the present writer had to 'reverse engineer' the intellectual foundations of East Asian economic miracles and compare this with the intellectual foundations of Western societies' progress - and to examine the way in which world views / religions contributed to those different intellectual foundations.

The issues involved are not easy to understand - and require a lot of hard work. However trying to assess policies related to education about religion in state schools requires understanding those complexities. It is simply not correct to assert that a person's worldview / religion is only a matter of personal preference and that education about this is only relevant in terms of promoting tolerance and cross-cultural understanding. As will be argued below conflicts and even major wars can result from a failure to consider and understand the practical political and economic consequences of differing world-views / religions.

For example, Christianity has implications for individuals, communities and society as a whole. While the latter is not ultimately the most important, the fact is that widespread Christian adherence has been and remains critical to the viability of liberal political and economic institutions (ie those based on the presumption that adults will behave reasonably responsibly because of their next-life accountability to God for following Jesus' instruction to 'love others as themselves') - see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions (2010). And those liberal institutions have in turn been critical to Western societies' ability to achieve a high rate of social, economic and political progress in recent centuries on the basis of rationality, analysis and science (see Cultural Foundations of Western Progress: The Realm of the Rational / Responsible Individual, 2001). And science could not originate without a presumption that the universe was created by a lawful God.

Where individuals' behaviour is seen to be socially acceptable only when closely supervised by families, communities, tribes or states (as for example under Islamic and East Asian traditions), it is impossible to create political and economic institutions in which issues are simple enough for rationality and analysis to be used to achieve progressive change (as rationality and analysis, which depend on the notion that abstract ideas are reliable models of reality, tend to fail in dealing with systems where relevant relationships are unknown / unknowable).

To oversimplify the difference that religion / world view makes in Christian, Islamic and traditional East Asian religious contexts is as follows. Under Christianity, an individual is responsible to God for the morality of their actions. Under Islam, other Muslims are responsible to God for the morality of an individual's behaviour. Under traditional East Asian religions, individuals are responsible to other people for the morality of their actions. In tribal contexts elsewhere something like the East Asian tradition seems to be common. Only one of these practices creates a social environment on which liberal political and economic institutions (eg democratic capitalism) can reliably be built. The failure to consider this has arguably led to highly destructive and ultimately futile wars to try to establish liberal institutions in incompatible social environments (see Chilcot Report: Broader Context)

The decline of Christian adherence in Australia has been accompanied by many indicators of: (a) a decline of any innate sense of responsibility in many individuals; and (b) a consequent escalation of social dysfunctions. And this is undermining the foundations of Australia's liberal political and economic institutions (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions, 2003+). Social dysfunctions that have escalated include: child neglect and sexual abuse; marriage breakdown; men's freedom from family responsibility; disadvantaged children in single parent families; poor business ethics; bullying; and increased domestic / random violence.

And, as those dysfunctions have escalated, human efforts to promote / ensure responsible individual behaviour have increased. Those efforts to play 'god' (ie take God's place as the source of moral authority) are preventing the state from being 'secular' and thus limiting the individual freedom that Australia's political and economic institutions require if more-or-less-consistently-constructive changes are to be made through reason and analysis (see Restraining Freedom as Responsible Liberty Fades). Jesus' proclamation of the Kingdom of God freed people from claims of moral authority by the Jewish religious legalists of his day and by 'divine' Roman emperors (see Where Did Religious Freedom Come From?). This upset those authorities to the point that they had Jesus crucified . However history shows that they actually 'shot themselves in the foot' by doing so - as Jesus had reportedly predicted(John 12:32).

Education Queensland seems to be looking at the religious instruction issue back to front - ie it is assuming that government has power over Christian religious instructions, while the fact is that the effectiveness of Christian proselytizing ultimately determines whether democratic governments like those in Queensland have power over anything at all in the long term. It was not for nothing that the notion of a 'secular state' (ie a state that deals with everything but religion) has been adopted in countries such as Australia (see Why the Separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective). Seeking to control religious instruction in state schools (and thus the world view that guides students' perceptions of right and wrong / good and evil) is a step towards breaking down that separation. This, and the many other actions that are undermining the 'secular state' and thus the social environment needed to support liberal political and economic institutions, are likely to have serious consequences.

Queensland's Education Department (and the Windsor State School) have supported social and emotional learning programs to try to overcome the symptoms (eg bullying, alienation) that result from a declining innate sense of individual responsibility (eg see You Can Do It! Education (YCDI), Education Queensland and Windsor State School Newsletter, 3/2/16). However such programs set a low standard for individuals' innate sense of responsibility towards others (see Effect of You Can Do It! Education, Journal of Student Wellbeing, August 2011). They help encourage children to stop doing bad things, but have no way to promote a go-beyond-what-is-humanly-reasonable commitment to promoting others' welfare that has often been associated with Christianity (and has to be present in a community for liberal political and economic institutions to work). The fact that 60% of Gen Y apparently now identify as Atheists implies that reliance on expectations of innate individual responsibility is likely to be even less realistic in 10-20 years time than it is now. Thus unless major gains are made in Christian outreach, Australia's liberal political and economic institutions will be ever less workable as the social environment needed to support them disappears.

The 6/8/16 article suggested that the alternative to faith-based 'religious instruction' was religious education which would deal with "the history of theology, other faiths, or its cultural impact". Such an approach has apparently been adopted in Victoria as religious instruction was removed from the core curriculum. Policy related to this is set out in School Policy and Advisory Guide: Special Religious Education. However the latter suggests that Victoria's Government is in a state of confusion about the issues involved.

For example, at the very start the Policy Guide stated that 'government school education must be secular. Government schools must not promote any particular religious practice ....'.

It then goes on to say in relation to General Religious Education that:

'A secular education still includes education about world faiths and secular belief structures'. In other words it is believed that some belief structures / world views are not 'faiths' but are rather 'secular' (ie have nothing to do with religion). This is however nonsense because all shared / systematic belief systems are based on ultimately unprovable assumptions - and are thus 'faiths / religions' just as much as Islam and Christianity - seeAll Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial andPhilosophical and Religious Implications of the Limits to Science. The fact that an unrealistic distinction is made between 'faiths' and 'secular' belief systems implies that Victoria's Government would be able to promulgate some belief systems / religions while still claiming that it is 'secular';

'New Victorian curriculum ... recognises the importance of world histories, global cultures, ethics and traditions. The curriculum will help ensure Victoria remains a successful multicultural society and strengthen our diversity and the capacity of our young people to understand others, including other world views, and to act with tolerance and respect'. Victoria's religious 'education' curriculum seems to entirely ignore the very significant implications of religion for a society as a whole that are mentioned above.

A much more serious approach to religious education (as a complement or alternative to faith-based religious instruction) is long overdue (see Philosophy and Religion: The Case for a Bigger Picture View).

As noted above, a societies' dominant religion / world-view has consequences for its ability to sustain liberal political and economic institutions and thus provide for individual freedom and achieve progressive change in the way Western societies have done. And this is now the core of a looming 'clash of civilizations' (eg see Australia's Increasingly Dangerous Environment). Islamist extremists' atrocities are motivated by a belief that a religious elite (ie they themselves) should control Muslims' behaviour to ensure that Muslims comply with the elite's interpretation of Islamic teachings - though milder versions of such control have arguably been the main source of Muslim societies' retarded progress in recent centuries. Some Chinese people appear (realistically) to regard Christianity as Western societies' 'secret weapon' though the individual freedoms it allows are incompatible with East Asia's traditional authoritarian social hierarchies. China's regime is seeking to purge all Western influences internally (eg any emphasis on the freedom, welfare and capabilities of individuals) and to create a new international 'Confucian' order that would extend the influence of its domestic elite authoritarianism. This, like Islamists' aspirations, would not be a secular state (see Merging Political Power and Religion Can Create Problems).

The fact that decisions seem to be being made by Education Queensland about faith-based religious education in state schools without reference to such issues is of real concern. The Queensland Government thus also risks 'shooting itself in the foot'.

What Will Fill the Gap if Christianity Declines

What Will Fill the Gap if Christianity Declines - email sent 22/8/16

Tim Dick
Sydney Morning Herald

Your article raised very interesting questions about Australia's future if current trends towards declining Christian adherence continue. I would like to suggest that one consequence that is already well established is that the social foundations needed for Australians to continue to enjoy freedom and effective liberal political and economic institutions are being eroded.

My Interpretation of your article: Pauline Hanson should not worry about Islam taking over Australia - as only 4.9% of Australians will be Muslim by 2050. The main threat to the dominance of Christianity in Australia is having no religion at all. The church is increasingly irrelevant to many people's lives - and atheism will be part of second largest group - ie those with no religion. At present 2/3 of Australians identify with Christianity while 25% have no religion. By mid-century the Christian component will be about 47% if current trends continue. Australia will be one of several Western countries to lose a Christian majority - while the world as a whole (unlike the West) will become increasingly religious. Islam's growth is mainly due to demographics - ie higher birth rates. Few convert to other religions - most change by choosing to have no faith at all. This will be a beneficial trend as churches have too long dictated policy - even though constitutionally Australia has no established religion. The diminution of churches will also hurt the poor and disadvantaged - as they have had good features also (eg opposing cuts to foreign aid and shameful treatment of asylum seekers and advocating racial inclusivity). When Christians are no longer a majority who will speak to our collective consciences? Churches are accelerating their decline by opposing marriage equality which 69% of the community support. The Catholic church has problems with backward position on women priests and history of child sexual abuse. However the decline of Christianity will leave a gap in public discourse.

Some suggestions about the issues involved in declining Christian adherence in Australia are in Queensland's Government Risks Shooting Itself in the Foot . The latter comments on what is probably at stake for Australian society as a whole in the context of state government efforts to regulate or prevent faith-based religious instruction.

In relation to other points made in your article it is suggested that:

The decline in Christian adherence is likely to have increasingly severe consequences for the poor and disadvantaged - as governments' ability to provide such support is already limited and likely to weaken in an increasingly difficult / unstable international environment (see The Probable Need for a Community Based Solution inRestoring the Viability of Democratic Capitalism, 2014). This basically suggested that community-based support is likely to become increasingly important and that Christian churches will need to take most of this responsibility if Australians are to continue to enjoy a free society;

It is unrealistic to suggest that most of the people who claim to have no religion do not actually have a faith - for reasons suggested in All Systematic / Shared Worldviews are Religions But Not All Are Equally Beneficial. Non-theistic religions (eg Atheism, Humanism, Rationalism) are no less based on unprovable assumptions than more conventional faiths - and, in order to assess the implications for Australia as a whole of their rising influence it is not helpful to simply lump these diverse faiths into one so-called 'no religion' category;

The answer to your question about who will speak for to Australians' collective consciences as Christianity's influence declines is already obvious (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions, 2003+). Would-be-moral-authorities have been doing so for many years (eg consider what is happening in relation to domestic violence) and thus amplifying the loss of the innate sense of individual moral responsibility that effective liberal political and economic institutions require.

I would be interested in your response to my speculations. The questions that your article has raised are important.

John Craig

The Need to Investigate the Implications of Same-Sex Marriage

The Need to Investigate the Implications of Same-Sex Marriage - email sent 30/8/16

Dr Luke Beck,
University of Western Sydney

Your article suggested that it could be constitutionally illegal to prohibit same-sex marriage - as this could deny constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of religion to ministers who support same-sex marriage. Your article demonstrates one reason that the question of same-sex marriage requires deeper analysis before it could be presented for an informed plebiscite or parliamentary vote. However there are others as suggested below.

My Interpretation of your article: Whether or not there is a plebiscite, the marriage equality debate is ramping up. Those who support existing marriage laws believe that amending the Marriage Act will presage an attack on religious freedom and on people of faith. This is wrong as it is marriage inequality that threatens religious freedom. Australia's constitution forbids making laws that prohibit free expression of any religion. The federal parliament lacks the power to interfere with religious freedom. The Marriage Act currently states that ministers of religion are not required to solemnize any marriage - so ministers can't be sued for refusing to carry out marriages that they believe are inappropriate. Marriage equality advocates want to keep this section - and thus continue to provide protection for ministers of religion. Legal marriage equality is not an attempt to tell religious groups what they should or should not believe. But if a minister wants to solemnize a same sex marriage, the Marriage Act currently prevents them from doing so. This goes beyond denying legal recognition to same-sex unions. It makes it a crime to solemnize such unions (or hold a separate religious marriage ceremony) unless a person is authorized to do so. These crimes may be unconstitutional - because it seems to involve prohibiting the free exercise of religions that accept same-sex unions. Ministers of religion who support same sex unions should be able to challenge the Marriage Act in the High Court - and would have a good chance of winning. There are many reasons to support marriage equality and religious freedom is one of them.

The legal point that your article highlighted added to the reasons that the question of approving same-sex marriage needs some depth of analysis before it could reasonably be submitted to a plebiscite or parliamentary vote. Other reasons include:

To protect freedom of religion, those whose religion holds that homosexuality is sinful and that marriage is between a man and woman would obviously have to be legally permitted to preach or make public statements consistent with their religion without being: (a) sued by those who disagree; or (b) subjected to other legal penalties;

To protect children any legal approval of same-sex marriage should include a provision that prevents children (especially those who are being subjected to sexual abuse) being taught that, because same-sex marriage has been approved, 'being gay is always OK'. Reasons for this are suggested in What Should School Children Be Taught About Homosexuality? andFederal Government 'dragging the chain' on Reform of Safe Schools Program. Also it should be noted that arecent summary of biological, psychological and social sciences' research apparently showed that there is there is no evidence that sexual orientation is an innate biologically-fixed characteristic. It also quoted data suggesting (as manyother sources have done) that sexual abuse as a child is likely to be a significant causal factor;

The notion of marriage being between a man and a woman is prescribed (egGenesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4-5) in the same religious tradition that is the source of both: (a) the freedom of religion that Australia's constitution embodies (seeWhere Did Religious Freedom Come From? and What Will Fill the Gap if Christianity Declines); and (b) the notion of a rule of law that is taken seriously (see outline of key points in Vishal Mangalwadi'sThe Book That Made Your World).

A plebiscite or parliamentary vote on same-sex marriage could not be well informed without some depth of research into your legal point, and other aspects of the issue such as my suggestions above.

John Craig

An Opportunity to Improve Religious Education

An Opportunity to Improve Religious Education - email sent 2/11/16

Hugh Harris,
Rational Razor

I should like to suggest that 'proselytising' (ie promoting belief) through religious education is accepted because many politicians are intuitively aware of the importance of effective Christian outreach in Australia (see Are Politicians Idiots?) - though they may not be able to be able to explain why. Helping them to do so would both support improvements in religious education and help deal with other challenges Australia faces.

My Interpretation of your article: it is an open secret that educators and politicians turn a blind eye to proselytising in faith classes. Despite this NSW Premier (Mike Baird) promises to continue Special religious Instruction (SRE) and the Education Minister (Adrian Piccoli) refuses to release a report on investigation of concerns about SRE. Parental consent to participate in SRE is presumed to imply that children are Christian so proselytising is not an issue. The problem is that the children involved can be very young. A recent Queensland education department review found examples of possible prostelysing - and that there were no legal obstacles to this. Education minister (Kate Jones) has taken commendable step towards addressing age-inappropriate / outdated materials there is still a failure to deal with prostelysing. Educators face problems. Scripture classes are by their nature prostelysing. Making disciples is the unambiguous message of evangelical Christians. SRE is about preaching the gospel - and involves prostelysing. The Queensland review muddied the waters by trying to distinguish evangelising from prostelysing. Parents who think they have signed their children up for a harmless introduction to the Bible should think again. SRE should be removed from state schools altogether or replaced with comparative classes run by state school teachers. They are not needed given the many churches and faith-based schools in Australia. When will state governments deal with the uncomfortable truth about prostelysing?

Liberal institutions (and the effectiveness of reason in practical problem solving) would not be possible if the claims to moral authority by would-be human 'gods' (eg ' political correctness' movements, neo-Confucian autocrats or aspiring Islamist theocrats) were again to be widely accepted (see also Restraining Freedom as 'Responsible Liberty' Fades and The Re-emergence of 'gods').

Unfortunately we live in a world in which attempts are being made to gain control through such illiberal social, economic and political systems and thereby to reduce / eliminate the potential of reason and understanding as a basis for individual dignity, social equality and practical progress.

Your article (and your Rational Razor website) pointed to uncertainties and problems related to religious education in Australia and indicated an interest in addressing them. One of your suggestions involved state school teaches running comparative religion classes. This would however seem problematic for reasons suggested in Could 'Regular Teachers' Reliably Teach Religion in State Schools?

However you also validly pointed out that churches and faith-based schools are available to play a major role. Their effectiveness could be significantly improved if you and your website highlighted:

the importance (for reasons outlined above) of widespread Christian adherence to the existence and effectiveness of liberal social, economic and political institutions - and thus to the continued effectiveness of decentralized rationality and analysis in practical problem solving rather than compliance with the conclusions of social / political elites;

the limitations of science in understanding creation - as this has been the basis of science vs religion disputations since the mid-19th century;

the importance of separating church and state;

the widespread / disruptive social dysfunctions (and the rise of would-be 'gods' - at times as arms of government) that have accompanied the loss of individual moral responsibility as Christian adherence declined;

the problems that result from official ignorance of issues related to religion (eg in collecting census data). And an Australia state government (Queensland) reportedly considered damaging Australia's liberal institution by ignoring the tradition of a secular separation of religion and state - ie by considering control of religious education (seeQueensland's Government Risks Shooting Itself in the Foot);

external challenges to liberal social, economic and political institutions that have their foundation in other religious traditions (ie those of neo-Confucian autocrats and would-be Islamist theocrats);

the problems that can arise from general community ignorance of issues related to religion. For example (in ignorance of the issues involved) a 'progressive' factions in the US reportedly attacked a prominent Islamic reformer who had the potential topromote peace, security and a reduction in the refugee crisis by: (a) challenging Islamist theocrats; and (b) advocating the adoption of liberal values in an Islamic context;

the implications of non-theistic religions;

the need for universities to deal with such issues properly (see It's Time to Expel Religious Naivety from Universities).

Effective Christian religious education is vital to meeting Australia's challenges. Advocates of the use of reason should be in the forefront in helping the Australian community generally to understand the issues involved.

John Craig

Religion Matters

Religion Matters - email sent 7/11/16

Mr Greg Donnelly MLC

Your article expressed concern that 'equal opportunity' legislative proposals in Victoria appeared designed to prevent effective Christian education. An Opportunity to Improve Religious Education may be of interest in relation to this. It suggests why effective Christian education matters and ways in which it could be improved.

I should also like to suggest that your assertion that: "We are yet to find out from the recent census how religion is faring amongst Australians in 2016" is an understatement.

The fact is that 'we are NEVER likely to find out from the recent census how religion is faring'. The 2016 census failed in an important respect for reasons suggested in Recognizing Atheism as a Religion in Australia's 2016 Census . It did not enable anyone to learn anything significant about religious trends in the Australian community. There have been claims that a large number of young Australians are identifying as Atheists - yet such non-theistic religions were not specifically categorised (see Reporting the Practical Consequences of Changing Religious Adherence). And for reasons that the latter document outlines, this is not an issue that should be hushed up. The possibility of a widespread trend amongst young Australians away from Christian adherence and towards other religions would put the future viability of Australia's liberal political and economic institutions at risk.

John Craig

Australia's Christian 'DNA'

Australia's Christian 'DNA' - email sent 2/6/17

Geoffrey Robinson,
Deakin University

Your article highlighted the limited role that Christianity plays in Australia's [fortunately secular] politics - and noted the significant role of a 'cultural conservatism' that is not linked to religious faith. However you did not address the role that widespread Christian adherence has in the 'DNA' of Australian society and in its reasonably successful liberal institutions - and how the latter have been being eroded both by declining Christian adherence and by would-be authoritarian claims about ' progressivism'.

My Interpretation of your article: Debate about same-sex marriage and Catholic school funding suggest that religion plays an important part in Australian politics. But Australia's political religion functions largely as an expression of general cultural conservatism and institutional self-interest - rather than as an expression of personal faith. For many religion is about truth (eg Jesus was the Son of God who died for our sins) - and this implies specific moral propositions (eg in relation to marriage / homosexuality / abortion). Evangelicals built this into a powerful political movement in the US in 1970s - but the impact in Australia was limited. 61% of Australians identify as Christians but only 25% of them attend church monthly. The most popular 'Christian' politics in Australia involves general cultural conservatism - eg related to opposing Islam and political correctness, and the view that being Christian is important to being Australian. Evangelical Christians have little political clout in Australia - and are more oriented to conservative than to Christian values. It has been suggested that the truth or otherwise of Christianity is unimportant - as its main significance is a symbol of social cohesion. Cultural Christianity is free from the burden of religion (eg humility and consciousness of sin) but promises pride in the greatness of Western civilization. The left celebrates the decline of the religious right - but may regret its replacement by a narrowly tribal 'Christian' nationalism. There is a paradox in relation to marriage equality - as religious objections are based on not on the sinfulness of homosexuality but rather on demands (eg by Australian Christian Lobby) for religious freedom. The debate about school funding is similar. In 1962 Catholics argued that Catholic values needed to infuse all aspects of education - but Vatican II and social changes in the 1960s eliminated the old foundations of Catholicism. Now the concern is not about religious belief but about standards / discipline / values. The government has sought to drive a wedge between individual Catholic schools and the Catholic Schools lobby - and this may shatter the myth of the power of the private education lobby.

Widespread Christian adherence in the general community has provided the social foundation needed for the reasonable success of the liberal political and economic institutions that Australia inherited after their development in the UK (see Christian Foundations of Liberal Western Institutions, 2010). The core point is that a presumption of individual liberty (ie that the morality (or sinfulness) of individual behaviour should not be supervised by families / communities / states) is essential for 'liberal' institutions to work reasonably reliably. This is because such institutions rely on rationality / analysis as the basis for practical problem solving and the latter are very limited if outcomes are ultimately driven by influences that 'hopefully-rational' decision-makers can't anticipate. And that freedom has its origins in the New Testament Christianity that was emphasised (especially in Britain) following the Reformation. Within that framework, Jesus of Nazareth totally (and uniquely) discredited human claims to ultimate moral authority - as judgment of individuals' behaviour was solely a matter for God (see Where Did Religious Freedom Come From?)

The separation of Christian institutions from a secular state (ie one that deals with everything but religion / values) has been vital for liberal institutions to work reasonably effectively (see Why the Separation of Church and State Allowed Government to be More Effective, 2001 and Keeping Religion Out of Australian Politics, 2009).

However declining Christian adherence has been undermining this. Reduced recognition of individuals' ultimate accountability to God has led to severe social dysfunctions - and thus to attempts by many groups to appoint themselves as the judges and enforcers of moral (and other) values that they have been hoped (in vain) might substitute for the decline in individual responsibility (see Erosion of the Moral Foundations of Australia's Liberal Institutions, 2003+).

The emergence of 'quasi-religious' claims of unquestionable authority in relation to cultural and other presumed 'progress' has become an obstacle to practical advances through rational debate / analysis (see The 'Church' of Political Correctness Threatens National Progress, 2016). Changes to complex social and economic systems have often had unintended / counterintuitive consequences - due to initially unrecognised relationships or side effects. Those who believe that there are problems in some 'progressive' agendas (eg the Australian Christian Lobby) have advocated freedom of expression to allow such issues to be debated. Doing so has been unreasonably criticised by those who naively believe that it is 'obvious' what is 'progressive'.

In relation to various specific issues mentioned in your article it is further suggested that:

I would be interested in your response to my suggestions about: the importance of its Christian 'DNA' to Australian society; Christianity's importance to Australians individually; and the need for great care in making claims about 'progressive' policies.

John Craig

Some key points related to the 'limits to science, reason and critical thinking' - note added later:

The limits to 'reason' have been widely recognised in the literature on economics, management and public policy (because of problems with central economic planning, corporate strategic planning and 'Great Society' programs respectively). There is no confidence in rationality / analysis as a reliable basis for problem solving in East Asian societies with a Chinese cultural heritage - which differs fundamentally from Western societies' Judeo-Christian and classical Greek heritage.

The philosophy of science has acknowledged limits to what is knowable through the scientific method (eg consider the principle of falsificationism - ie that it is impossible to develop universal laws on the basis of limited observations so all that is possible is to state theories that have not yet been proven wrong). Those limits arguably need to be extended to take account of the influence from outside whatever system is being studied that are always significant in influencing internal change / evolution (see ). Economic 'miracles' have been achieved in East Asia by introducing outside information to Problems in an Internally Deterministic Scientific Worldview , 2001+ and Another Revolution in the Philosophy of Science change causal relationships in economic systems - which economists who assume that economics should be like physics in trying to identify fixed economic 'laws' / relationships can't understand. Difficulties are being in gaining reproducible results in various areas of science (eg psychology, medicine, physics and climate science) - and this has been seen to be leading to a scientific crisis. About 50% of the articles in scientific journals may not be 'true'. The problem is believed to be the use of statistical analyses to investigate hypotheses that are biased towards researchers' assumptions.

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Is There a Separation of Church and State in Australia and New Zealand?

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Is There a Separation of Church and State in Australia and New Zealand?

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This article suggests that there is no separation of church and state as no state government has introduced legislation to separate church and state = Australian states could set up established religions.

http://www.hsnsw.asn.au/MaxWallace.html

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The government is funding Christian Chaplains in public schools , they give religious views on issues in the political eye. 

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The government is funding Christian Chaplains in public schools , they give religious views on issues in the political eye. 

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This suggests that the government is attempting to influence students with Christian beliefs.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/29/australia-blurred-separation-church-state
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Whose Religion? Which Secularism? Australia Has a Serious Religious Literacy Problem

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Whose Religion? Which Secularism? Australia Has a Serious Religious Literacy Problem

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http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2015/09/23/4318349.htm
Secularism is not the exclusion of religion but is instead the inclusion of all beliefs
This suggests that religion does have an influence on Govt. as if we are truly secular then religion should have a voice towards Govt. decisions
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Is Australia a secular country? It depends what you mean

http://theconversation.com/is-australia-a-secular-country-it-depends-what-you-mean-38222

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- there are three types of secularism, all have a separation between church and state but the extent is different for each

- this suggests that the type of secularisation within a country depends on the population, their faith/lack of, and their opinion. this then affects the relationship between church and state.

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"Is Australia a secular country? It depends what you mean"

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"Is Australia a secular country? It depends what you mean"

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http://theconversation.com/is-australia-a-secular-country-it-depends-what-you-mean-38222

Summary: The extent of secularism in Australia depends on your definition of secular.

Suggests: This article suggests that the separation of church and state is affected by various factors within the country.

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Australia now resembles a pluralistic theocracy instead of a secular state as numerous religions have been established

This suggests that the religions that have been established within Australia are all contributing to the government, which shouldn't be happening if we are being labelled as a 'secular state'.
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The high court believes that section 116 doesn't prohibit the state from encouraging or aiding religion. This is then affecting how effective our secularism is.

Shaun Heffernan

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Australia being a secular state is a misconception, it is now rather a pluralistic theocracy

https://www.secular.org.au/the-separation-of-church-and-state/

Summary: Australia being pluralism suggests that various religious, ethnic, racial, and political groups should be allowed to live in a single society.
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Posted August 29, 2013 07:01:14

The majority of Australians say church and state should be separate, yet religion continues to be privileged in our society at taxpayer expense, writes Chris Fotinopoulos.
Why aren't we talking about the religious influence on party policies in this election campaign?

The relationship between church and state in Australia seems benign when set against news footage from Egypt, Syria and numerous Middle-East hot spots. And going by the 'World' news section of our tabloids, the violent clashes between religious and secularist groups in distant dusty lands are a far cry from Australian politics.

But in spite of our comparatively relaxed attitude towards organised religion in Australia, the question of religious influence on government policy needs to be asked. It is one area of the political debate that has not received much attention in this election campaign so far.

This is a gap. Australians clearly prefer a separation between church and state. According to a Herald/Nielsen poll conducted in the lead-up to the 2010 federal election, 84 per cent of people surveyed agreed with the statement ''religion and politics should be separate''. In Australia's increasingly complex society, which includes many different cultures and different types of belief or lack of belief, this would seem to be the only option.

More recently, a worldwide poll conducted by Win-Gallup International, found that 48 per cent of Australians said they were not religious; 10 per cent declared themselves "convinced atheists"; and 5 per cent did not know or did not respond. Only 37 per cent were religious. What's more, the poll placed Australia in the bottom 14 for religiosity and in the top 11 for atheism. Yet the increasing influence and funding of religion in Australia persists.

So why does the government continue to provide financial assistance in the order of $31 billion annually, according to the Secular Party of Australia, to religious institutions that are becoming less relevant to Australians? One explanation lies with the outsourcing of a lot of social welfare to various religious organisations by the Howard government.

After all, what better way of feeding the poor, housing the homeless, caring for the elderly, and counselling the mentally unwell than by enlisting the support of committed, altruistic, experienced workers who are close to the people who need this kind of help - all at a knock down price with the provider's blessing to boot. It's probably a win for the government and the church, but I'm not too sure if the social benefits extend to an expanding irreligious demographic.

By shifting a costly and complex social responsibility to religious providers, the government also exempts them from anti-discrimination laws. This is particularly evident with faith-based aged care providers that are free to discriminate against gays and lesbians on the sole basis that religious ethos overrides the principle of fair and equal treatment of all people.

We only need to look to certain state schools to see how government resources are used to support particular religious views and programs of religious instruction.And there is the $430 million that has gone to employ religious functionaries such as chaplains in state schools.

So what does a society that is becoming increasingly secular think about these legal and financial arrangements? Well, we won't really know unless we have a debate that is as robust as the one surrounding the carbon tax, paid parental leave or any policy that involves large government subsidies to specific groups and organisations.

A couple of weeks ago Kevin Rudd announced a $2 billion package for the car industry, which saw reporters, economist and politicians arguing the merits of financial support for struggling industries. So why aren't we having a similar conversation about government subsidies to religious organisations?

This is where scorecards can help. One such resource is the Secular Scorecard compiled by Rationalist Society of Australia. It assesses each party's commitment to the principle of secularism by monitoring comments, statements, and parliamentary voting practices on issues such as voluntary euthanasia, equal marriage rights, religious instruction in state schools, abortion, and the law, and then scores each party accordingly.

It's a tool that voters who support the separation of religion and state will find useful. What's more, scorecards of this kind offer information that's far more informative than spin, dumb headlines and maddening political party ads. Which can't be bad for a pluralistic secular democracy such ours.
Chris Fotinopoulos is a Melbourne writer, ethicist and educator. View his full profile here.
Topics: federal-elections

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Religion continues its free ride without our blessing

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Posted August 29, 2013 07:01:14 The majority of Australians say church and state should be separate, yet religion continues to be privileged in our society at taxpayer expense, writes Chris Fotinopoulos. Why aren't we talking about the religious influence on party policies in this election campaign?

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https://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/articles/3465

15 word summary- Decisions of public-policy positions should not be justified by religious doctrine of a singular denomination.

This suggests that the Australian government is influenced by religion in policy making as reasons in religious doctrine will is sufficient justification.
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separation of church and state prevents state from becoming theocracy, and church from government interference.

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separation of church and state prevents state from becoming theocracy, and church from government interference.

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http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2011/10/18/3342494.htm

This suggests that for Australia to live harmoniously, there needs to be a definite separation of state.
Greta

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Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Christian right              “a clear majority (16) have been either nominal Christians only or agnostic”. More interestingly, it is hard to even establish what religious beliefs some of them held, which goes to show how irrelevant faith was through much of this country’s political history.                                           https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/08/29/prime-minister-tony-abbott-and-the-christian-right/14407704002308

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Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Christian right              “a clear majority (16) have been either nominal Christians only or agnostic”. More interestingly, it is hard to even establish what religious beliefs some of them held, which goes to show how irrelevant faith was through much of this country’s political history.                                           https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/08/29/prime-minister-tony-abbott-and-the-christian-right/14407704002308

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Religion continues its free ride without our blessing

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Religion continues its free ride without our blessing

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/fotinopoulos-why-does-the-church-still-get-a-free-ride/4918626
Summary: The Australian majority is shifting to non-religious status, yet religious institutions still continue to be funded.

Relevant Information:
- Potential future inquiry angles obtained: Secular Scorecard, Secular Party of Australia
- Outsourcing of social welfare to religious institutions by Howard government suggests a religious-state relationship
- Figures obtained through worldwide poll by Win-Gallup International suggests a fading religious demographic
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While some see this as a failure, others protest. They say that it is not that Australia doesn't do secularism, it's just that we do it differently. Not worse, not better, just differently to how it's done in the United States or in France.

These folks say that rather than bar religion from the public square, Australia has an inclusive approach that delivers religious freedom, religious fairness and state neutrality with regard to religion by allowing all faiths equal access to the public square. Those of no faith, as is usual with such things, are rarely mentioned.

My response to this is to say, well, if that is true - if Australia does the secular state in a unique and inclusive manner - then this approach is fatally flawed and has proved to be a miserable failure. A miserable failure.

An inclusive approach to the secular state is an inherently flawed approach, doomed to failure. Having examined this concept from every angle, held it up to the light, examined every possibility - sound like someone we know? - I struggle to see how it could ever work.

This is because whatever the denomination, a fundamentalist approach to religious texts and truths makes one intolerant and disrespectful of difference. There are always fundamentalists, and they are always intolerant and disrespectful of difference. Why? Because they believe they have sole access to the truth and, by virtue of this, that those who disagree with them are just plain wrong.

To give you a feel for what such intolerance looks like and leads to, here's a quote from the recently released report by the Australian Human Rights Commission on Freedom of Religion and Belief in 21st Century Australia. The quote is from the Gospel Assembly of Melbourne. The Gospel Assembly told the study's authors that:
"The Australian government is obligated to respect the Christian religion as its first and foremost responsibility. We object to the idea that other religions are equal to the worship of Almighty God."
This quote doesn't just show us what intolerance looks like, it points to where it leads. Where it leads, as the Assembly makes clear, is to a view that because the Assembly's Christian worldview is correct, this view and the policy prescriptions that fall out of it, should rightfully be privileged above all others in the community.

Indeed, so right are they that they should be enshrined in laws that govern all of us, even those who are not members of the Christian flock, or any religious flock at all. Oops, there goes the secular state.

Now, having once been an undergraduate student of psychology, I am aware that those who are truly confident of their truths don't necessarily feel compelled to put their views into forms that command others not compelled by them must obey. However, for those who lack such confidence, there is a compulsion to proselytize.

This is because converting others provides external proof of the truth of one's case (as in, "Look how many people agree with me. I must be right!"). Thus, for the fundamentalist who is intolerant by brand and insecure by nature, the tolerant and inclusive multi-faith space is one they are compelled to colonise as a means to their own end - and in the process, of course, devour secularism.

An example of this with which we are all familiar is the misuse by Muslim jihadists of the freedom of speech and religious tolerance found in western democracies to spread their own violently intolerant ideologies.

My point here is not to suggest that this modus operandi is not morally repugnant and a real cause for alarm - though it is - but to point out that in Australia the risks it poses emanate primarily from evangelical Christian fundamentalists, not jihadist Muslims.

So now that we've looked at the inherent problems with any sort of inclusive Australian approach to the secular state, I want to turn to the consequences of this approach. To ask, if what we've got is an inclusive secular state, how it's working?

I want to look at two programs currently running in Australian government schools that the founding fathers intended to be - and, indeed, are still believed to be - free, compulsory and secular by nature. Those two programs are Special Religious Education (SRE or "Scripture classes") and School Chaplaincy.

In Victoria, 319,305 children attend scripture classes. The law requires these to be delivered by volunteers, 96% of whom are provided by ACCESS Ministries. ACCESS is an umbrella group representing 12 Christian denominations, including the Anglicans Church of Australia, Uniting Church, Lutheran Church of Australia and the Salvation Army.

Parents of prep children are deliberately not informed that their school is compelled to allow access to their children to any SRE provider that demands it, nor are they even necessarily told SRE will be a regular part of their child's school week and that they have the right to opt their children out.

Should the process fail to deliver these key understandings - a process that is an insult to informed consent and the zealously-guarded right of the religious to have choice and control over their own children's education - their five year old will wind up on a Christian scripture class by default.

This, as I said, is something they may not become aware of until Jenny arrives home swearing that God loves her more than mummy or, as a Twitter follower from Victoria reported, that it rains when God is angry.

ACCESS Ministries is the only Victoria SRE provider that receives government funding. Indeed, only a few weeks ago the Victorian Education Minister Martin Dixon lobbed an additional $200,000 of taxpayer funds at ACCESS to improve volunteer training. This was on top of the more than $516,000 they already get from taxpayers, and a funding decision about which a Buddhist community leader, interviewed by The Age's Michael Bachelard complained bitterly.

The Buddhists provide scripture teachers to just 14 Victorian schools. Because they don't get government funding, they simply cannot afford to do more. Said Dr Sue Smith, "There is definitely a funding bias. Ours is funded by volunteers and donations.''

Children whose parents opt them out either because they have no faith, are of a minority faith not able to be catered for, or who are appalled at the ACCESS curricula, experience discrimination. Separated from their classmates to endure enforced idleness - the education department guidelines forbid any secular instruction to be offered when SRE classes are on - young children can understand the sorting process as punishment.

This is particularly the case when they are placed outside of the principal's office, by the photocopying machine for what we are told are supervisory purposes.

Now one defence to those prosecuting the "Australia-does-secularism-differently" argument might be that while kids are admittedly being corralled into Christian SRE classes delivered by ACCESS Ministries volunteers, that's OK. Why? Because the ACCESS curriculum is inclusive and tolerant. It teaches about all of the world's religions and that's something important for kids to understand so they can develop tolerance.

I couldn't agree more. General Religious Education is a terrific thing, but sadly General Religious Education is something entirely different to what ACCESS and other volunteers are delivering in the Special Religious Education spot. What ACCESS is doing is instructing kids in the beliefs and practices of a particular religion. In fact, the ACCESS curriculum is very much in line with their mission statement, which reads as follows:
"Our vision is to reach every student in Victoria with the Gospel. Join the vision and help us transform this nation for God."
This mission statement is similar to that of the other major SRE teacher provider, Scripture Union, which describes itself as, "Christ's ambassadors on the front line of ministry."

On the score card for inclusive secularism in action, Australia's record on SRE suggests we deserve a big fat goose egg. Does School Chaplaincy do any better?

School chaplaincy has been generously funded by the Federal government since the days of John Howard. Rudd and then Gillard have since fallen over themselves - the latter even pre-empting the findings of a much-needed review of the program - to shower chaplaincy service providers with funds (by rough estimates, $437 million worth).

On might argue that the National School Chaplaincy Program (NSCP) shows that all is well with Australia's special brand of inclusive secularism because theoretically religious folk of all persuasions, not just Christians, can serve in the role.

However, the notion of inclusiveness becomes problematic when you realise that - in what appears to be a clear violation of the prohibitions on religious tests for jobs found in section 116 of the constitution - a person of no faith cannot serve as a school chaplain.

Further, the reality of the chaplaincy program - how it's administered, funded and the facts on the ground - conclusively demonstrate its failure to deliver any of the key promises of the secular state. No religious freedom. No religious fairness. No state neutrality with regard to religion.

Why is this so? Because, possibility aside, the reality is that 98% of Australian chaplains are Christians - a figure that matches up poorly with the 62% of Australians who identify themselves as such. And, as we saw with SRE, these not your garden-variety Christians, but the crusading fundamentalist sort provided by - you guessed it - ACCESS Ministries and Scripture Union.

Both ACCESS and Scripture Union are clear that they see chaplaincy as a means by which they can fulfil their mission to - and here I'm quoting Scripture Union - "make God's Good News known to children [and] young people" so "they may come to personal faith in our Lord Jesus Christ ... and become ... committed church members."

That chaplains are all about bringing lost Christian and non-Christian lambs into the evangelical fold is also suggested by the fact that three-quarters of the NSCP funds are spent in secular state schools.

Indeed, while chaplains are officially prohibited from proselytising or counselling children, a Background Briefing report provides clear evidence that some of them do. It also showed that, despite having no qualifications to counsel anyone - much less children with eating disorders, substance abuse problems, who are suffering physical or mental abuse, caring for a parent with disabilities or at risk of suicide - some chaplains get stuck-in anyway. In addition, most chaplains fail to refer when - as is nearly always the case - they are out of their depth.

Such problems are not to be dismissed as mere "teething problems," nor can they simply be overcome by better guidelines or training. They are a reflection of the inherent contraction resulting from the placement of individuals into pastoral care roles who have no qualification in anything other than evangelical Christianity. Indeed, if it is true (as the NSCP's defenders claim) that chaplains provide a much-needed listening ear, or knee bandaging and sausage-sizzling services, why must one be a person of faith to qualify for the role?

With chaplains, opt-out is impossible, rather than simply complex and convoluted as is the case with SRE. This is because a school chaplain is free to roam an entire school, and to interact with children of whatever age whenever, wherever and however s/he wants.

This places parents who know about the chaplain - and many don't - and wish to restrict his/her access to their child - and some do - in an invidious position. Invidious because to achieve this would require banning their children from participating in crazy hair day where the gold coin goes to Scripture Union, from attending morning assembly where the chaplain does a rap about how much more trustworthy he is compared to the other teachers, from the schoolyard at lunchtime and recess where the chaplain organizes games or a sausage sizzle, and from school camps on which the chaplain tags along.

That all of this is happening in a compulsory school system in which non-religious alternatives in the private sector are as rare as hen's teeth - even if they could be afforded by those currently sending their kids to public school - means that, again, on the score card for inclusive secularism in action, Australia gets a zero.

We're not doing secularism differently; we're doing it badly. What we are doing - as the SRE and NSCP examples show - is allowing the already grey line between church and state to be overrun time and time again by a rapacious, crusading, intolerant majority, and to do so to the detriment of those we love the most and to whom we owe the most sacred duty of care: our children.

So how are we going to fight back?

Already fights on several fronts are up and running. Ron Williams is leading the charge, with great minds including Max Wallace behind him, in the High Court Challenge to the National School Chaplaincy Program. There is also a case before the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission by three parents claiming special religious education is discriminatory.

These are great initiatives, but they are not enough. We need to inform the community and get them involved through the web in the lobbying of our political leaders for change.

To do this, my observation of those advocating for secularism is not that they need to work harder, but that they need to work smarter. To work smarter not just when it comes to technology, but when working with one another, and building coalitions with those who are different, but share an interest in defending a secular state.

The most important thing to make that happen is to want to win. Humanist, atheist and secular organizations can exist for a number of reasons - birds of feather liking to socialize together, to ensure visibility, etc. However, only groups that have a clear, discrete and realistic political agenda that they want to achieve more than anything have any chance of prevailing.

I say this from experience. I was part of coalition of many groups and individuals that managed to change Victoria's law on abortion. Since the late 1800s, it had been defining the reproductive choices of Victorian women as crimes worthy of jail. But we did it and the way we did it was to work in coalition.

When I say coalition, I mean thousands of individuals, dozens of groups that sometimes had history with one another and often disagreed. Many of us knew each other and, as is the way with such things, we didn't always get along. But that abortion needed to be removed from the Crimes Act now was the one thing we were all passionate about, and agreed that it should be the focus of our activism.

Former Victorian Premier Joan Kirner told us that in all her years of observing and being part of community campaigns she had never seen one work as effectively or as collaboratively as the one to decriminalize abortion. This was because everyone involved - everyone - put their egos, their grievances, their personal dislikes, their pursuit of their own organisation's interests (including being named and noted for their role in the effort), to one side.

Instead, we were generous with one another, worked together productively come hell or high water - at times stepping in, at others shutting up and getting out of the way - to achieve our shared goal of making the lives of Victorian women better by changing the law.

Australian secularists can do this, and must do this, in order to change things on the SRE and NSCP front for our children, and for all the young people in this state.

Many of the founders of secularism were religious. Indeed, back in the days when unbelief almost certainly existed but was not mentioned in polite company, it was often religious minorities afraid of being overrun by the majority who fought for a secular system of government that would give them religious freedom and protect them religious discrimination.

When I was growing up, it was the Jews in my town who fought the yearly attempt by Christians to erect a nativity scene in the town square at Christmas time.

We need to remember this and to understand that we cannot win and will not win until we stop saying or insinuating that atheists, humanists or are the only ones who came up with the secular concept. Or that atheists, humanists or rationalist are the only ones able or willing to defend it.

Atheism is a personal belief system. Humanism is a philosophy. Rationalism is an epistemology or theory. Secularism is a form of governance designed to ensure that Australians of every and of no faith are free to live their lives and to raise their children in accordance with their beliefs, and to not miss out on life's opportunities because of their personal faith.

Who can, does and should support a secular state? Fair-minded Australians of all faiths and of none, that's who.

I want to end with a quote from an editorial in The Age about what the secular agenda when it comes to children is all about, which - in a nutshell - is about getting trained professional educators to provide our kids with general religious education:
"The solution is not to abandon education about religion; events of the past decade illustrate the dangers of religious ignorance and intolerance. However, the government should not rely on faith-driven volunteers instead of trained educators who teach to the same professional standards as in any other subject. The goal must not be to convert children but to ensure they have the general religious literacy they need to make sense of the past, present and future."
We all owe where we arrive to where we have come from. When the Abortion Law Reform Bill passed through the Senate in October 2009 and became law, we were ecstatic. Rightly we gave thanks to the cross-party band of MPs who had made the bill's passage, with not a single amendment, possible.

I will never forget what Liberal Senator Andrea Coote said to me when I thanked her. She said, "Leslie, this has been a marathon. You women in the community have been running this race for a long time. We just took the baton and ran the final lap."

Most of the people in this room have been striving to secure a secular state for a long time. I have little doubt that eventually we will prevail in this struggle. And when we do it won't matter who is actually gripping the baton in their fist. The victory will be a collective one, in part owed to the hard work and persistence of all of you.
Leslie Cannold is a medical ethicist and the President of Reproductive Choice Australia and Pro-choice Victoria. She is the author of The Abortion Myth: Feminism, Morality, and the Hard Choices Women Make (2001) and What, No Baby? Why Women are Losing the Freedom to Mother, and How They Can Get It Back (2005). Her first novel, The Book of Rachael, was published in March. This is an edited transcript of the speech she delivered to the Convention of the The Council of Australian Humanist Societies on 30 April 2011. She was accepting the 2011 Australian Humanist of the Year Award. Previous winners include Fred Hollows, Tim Flannery, Phillip Adams, Eva Cox, Donald Horne, Henry Reynolds, Inga Clendinnen, Peter Cundall, Peter Singer, Bob Brown and Julian Burnside.

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Australia's fading separation between church and state

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Unlike the United States, Australia doesn't really have a separation of church and state. This is because - despite the wording of section 116 in the Australian constitution being more or less the same as that found in the United States Constitution - the Australian courts have interpreted the provision narrowly and so a clear line has never been drawn.

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In Australia's Government of today, the line between religious and state perspectives is intertwining 

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In Australia's Government of today, the line between religious and state perspectives is intertwining 

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- Riley Domin
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2011/05/13/3216153.htm

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Summary: In state schools,  there are various opposing views which state that religion is core to impacting  morality,  but the government must also allow some leeway for students to have their own moral code. This suggests that religious education is a core to impacting one's moral code and the Australian Government supports this process.
Anul

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https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/08/29/prime-minister-tony-abbott-and-the-christian-right/14407704002308

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Summary
The author believes it is not ethical for the government to fund religious schools.
The articles suggests that there is communication between the government and religion through the funding of religious schools.
Lachlan Haddow

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Title: Australia's fading separation between church and state:
15 word summary: Australian Government is secular but still inclusive of all religions in the public sphere.
This suggests that religion and state are not entirely separated in Australia - religion does have a political voice.
Tom

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Evidence of religious beliefs influencing government decisions and individual beliefs impacting political stances in the Australian Government
Suggests that there is a prominent influence due to politician’s personal beliefs that have been brought into government already – our government is already somewhat Christian based, proving a full extent
Ashleigh