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I guess facts can be described, in their relations to perceptions, by how they're not viewed through the lenses of perception

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What is the difference between fact and perception?

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Perceptions can cause us to view the world in different ways, but it can also cause a person to view himself or herself in a different light. This is present in Frankenstein by the way Victor believed that he was the reason for the death of his family members, although he never truly killed them, it was the monster that he created that caused those loved ones to die. These beliefs and different perceptions caused Victor to despise himself in some ways and separate himself from others.

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A relationship between a "creature's" perception and biology could be the "imprinting" period that an organism experiences in its youth. An example could be dogs, when they're puppy they undergo a period where they associate certain feelings with certain feelings permanently. If they were to say, be chased by a vacuum as a puppy it's likely that they will be forever scared of vacuums as their perception of the vacuum is almost permanently set into stone during the imprinting period.

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wow @nathan

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I think that the biggest influence on our perception of a given thing is when we first meet it. This is shown in our perceptions of the world in general in the formative years of a child's life; it is very hard to break away from a good or bad childhood, it's basically set in stone. Another example is first impressions. As silly as they are, they're very important because the first impression is your "formative years" for your perception of something.

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I agree with David. Your perception comes from your experiences. Like with the monster, he had a very rough time "growing up": he had no one there for him and he had to learn things all on his own. He then saw the world as evil and bad.

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Chris, as logical as that is, people don't tend to change their perceptions when they're proven wrong because they tie their opinions and perceptions in with their identity

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This world is made up of two types of people, leaders and followers, the monster, if brought to our world, would represent a leader, and because of that maybe others will follow him and make him feel like home, as if he is wanted and a part of the society.

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I agree with David, I think that experiences influence our perceptions on others because experiences give us knowledge. That knowledge can influence how we react in certain situations

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“When by the dim and yellow light of the moon as it forced its way through the window shutters, I beheld the wretch the miserable monster I created”

Through Victor's perspective the monster is horrid but from other perspectives it is the complete opposite. You need multiple perspectives to expand your personal view of the story and not have as narrow-minded of a view of the story.

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So if a large population starts sniffing each other, does that become a social norm?

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Perceptions can be deeply rooted in certain experiences that happened in the past but continue to affect the future. Different experiences and situations cause people to act and think in different ways as a result of their different way of perceiving the world. This theme can be found in The Things They Carried with the difference between Tim O'Brien and his daughter, Kathleen. Although some may say that it is quite obvious that there would be a difference between Tim and his daughter as a result of the difference between ages, we never knew as an audience whether those situations truly happened, nor if O'Brien did have a daughter name Kathleen. If this is true, then it begins to highlight the reasoning behind why O'Brien may have incorporated Kathleen in the story. I think that it could partially be done to show momentous impact that war is capable of having upon people: O'Brien experienced war and Kathleen embodies innocence by the way that she is a child and has never been to war. Kathleen was also symbol in the book for those when never went to war. If this is the reason for incorporating Kathleen into the book, it demonstrates the difference in perceptions caused by experiences such as war: war is something that is nearly incomprehensible in the impact that it can have for those who never experienced it. This can be present in the interaction between Kathleen and O'Brien when Kathleen started off by saying                                                                                                                                      “'Sometimes you’re pretty weird, aren’t you?
‘Well, no,’ I said.
‘You are too.’ She pulled her hand away and frowned at me. ‘Like coming over here. Some dumb thing happens a long time ago and you can’t ever forget it’” (O’Brien 175).

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Jeremiah, I'll have to disagree because social "norms" are there for a reason; they're "normal" and thus are a part of our society

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Priyanshu makes a good point: many people follows others based on little evidence that they are right

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So is he mine, and in such bloody distance
That every minute of his being thrusts
Against my near’st of life. And though I could With barefaced power sweep him from my sight And bid my will avouch it, yet I must not, For certain friends that are both his and mine, Whose loves I may not drop, but wail his fall Who I myself struck down. And thence it is That I to your assistance do make love, Masking the business from the common eye For sundry weighty reasons. (3.1.132-142). 

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I agree with Brandon, we tend to follow social norms and when the influencer sees someone one way, others follow suit.

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Perceptions can also be influenced by social media. I personally think that our social norm of having social media is not healthy for most people and it can change the way we see the world and behave in social situations.

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Taming of the Shrew is a clear example of this as views on gender roles have changed drastically since the Shakespearean era

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saying whether society as a whole would accept the monster or not is a bit silly, because our society is a bunch of separate groups lumped together, so we'd be getting different responses from each

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i agree that perceptions are always changing due to the evolution of society

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I agree with Priyanshu, when things are out of the norm, then those things feel out of place and usually will be shun upon by the society as a whole.

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The monster's perception of the world and his behavior was negative because he experienced cruel treatment and neglect. He believed the world was bad because it treated him bad.

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Being in the circus doesn't really mean that they're being accepted in society. Oddities in circuses are displayed purely because they are not normal.

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I think if Victor taught the monster things about life the monster would have a better perception on the world. Because people never gave him a chance that led to the monster never giving others a chance and he wouldn't listen and he would act irrational like killing all of Victor's family.

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I think if the monster was made, but didn't kill people, he would be accepted. But if he did kill people I think he would not be accepted.

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Yeah but humans don't have past experiences with artificial human life

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Does one's reputation affect the perception that someone has on that person?

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chris implied that mental asylums help people, I never thought this was true, am I mistaken?

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Perceptions can be changed through experience, as David said. External events have the potential to change our perceptions, which can influence our beliefs and attitudes

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Yes people's reputation do affect the way people see that person. For example if a person is know to be lazy and does not want to work than people would not want to work with that person because he/she wouldn't work

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I also think that our perceptions and opinions reflect upon those of others. Human psychology is often doing things that others are doing

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its truth 🅱en

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i definitely agree that the community really impacts what an individual does

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I feel like people pitying the monster as an animal would not qualify acceptance because he would still be treated differently than everyone else, which is exactly the opposite of what he wants.

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I don't think the monster would be accepted today, because people's perceptions of him would remain the same. Because he had a horrifying outward appearance, the first impression would be the same, and people would be afraid of him

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I think that many of our perceptions come from the way people were raised and the things that they experienced within their lifetime.

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Perceptions could change depending on environmental factors. If the people start accepting the monster, treating the monster as a human, then the monster might stop being so cruel as the world is not treating him as such. If a person is raised in a terrible environment but put into a good environment they might drop their "bad habits" that they have picked up.

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The monster's perception of the world started as him having a positive outlook on life but as the monster realized that the world was "evil" towards him, never rewarding him for good deeds and constantly punishing him, shaped him into being "evil" towards others.

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The extent that different perceptions can have upon behavior is very great, causing people to act in irrational ways, and even harming those who were once our friends which is present in Macbeth. Macbeth merely perceived Banquo to be a threat to his ruling, causing Macbeth to vanquish this threat by sending murderers to do his deed for him.

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zohaib coming in with the conspiracy theories

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I think the monster will be put in like a circus or some form of entertainment

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I don't think the monster would be accepted into the society because there is lot of judgement and hate in our world between different races and gender. We would have a hard time accepting someone who is completely different from us and a completely different creature.

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I don't think so he was pretty ugly

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Regarding Anthony's question, I do not believe that the monster would be accepted in our modern society. Although it can be said that we are quite accepting, the stretch for the monster might just be far too much for an average person. He is described as this "ugly" towering figure and that's pretty spooky.

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I think the monster would be acceptable if Victor only would teach him a little bit. But because he didn't, I think other people will perceive him scary and unnecessary, like in Frankenstein.

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Chris had a good example saying about the monster to understand him first and than think after what would be right to do

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I agree with Jeremiah i believe the monster would not be accepted in society today due to the potential danger it possesses

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Perceptions are also influenced by where and when you live

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in response to anthony, due to our current government and secret services, if this creature were to be  here during our times, we probably wouldn't even know about it, this monster would probably be in some lab that the governemnt controls.

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I agree with Brandon, the authors characterize their characters based on their perceptions of people.

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i dont think he would be accepted at all due to him looking like something out of a horror film and a murderer

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I really don't think that Victor perceives women as objects, let alone Elizabeth. What he was saying about her was more of an odd way of saying that she's his responsibility to raise and take care of

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I agree with Brandon i think the monster was good to start, but after constantly being judged for how he looks rather than how he acts, he changes

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brandon says a good thing about the fact that a complete perception of something takes time to develope

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I agree with Priyanshu saying about situations in life can be either good or bad

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I think that the monster would be accepted in our society. There will still be people who are afraid of him, but I think that overall everyone would be accepting. Everyone has something different, so we would accept him.

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even though our society may be more open now, i really do not think that people now a days would be more accepting. i almost feel like our world is more judgmental now then it ever was.

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I agree that the monster would be more accepted today because it is a more open society

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this isn't much of a thematic answer to the question. We learned in physics that depending on where you are and how fast you're going relative to those around you, your entire experience of reality could be warped

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In Frankenstein from Victor's perspective the monster is ugly and horrible but when you are looking through the perspective of the monster you are able to relate and sympathize with him.

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Chris had a very good example with the way that many people perceived the creature to be a monster before really understanding the intentions of the monster and its character. However, De Lacey perceived the monster differently due to his lack of being able to see that caused him to solely focus on the content of the character and who the "monster" really was. The difference in behavior between the two situations is very great as a result of different perceptions as a result of sight.

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I agree with Priyanshu, because of that single lightning strike, it started changing his perceptions of life and family. He starts viewing his life to think all about his studies and knowledge, and he would rather put his family second. He says, "to procrastinate all that related to my feelings of affection until the great object" (Shelley 56). He would rather put his loved ones second, and focus on his studies first.

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^^ Lady Macbeth?? Since she technically told Macbeth to kill Duncan...

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I feel that the monster would be accepted in today's society because in today's world we accept the different types of people that back then society would have let them die.

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Priyanshu Poudala I agree with you, this can actually apply to many situations in life, especially in the corporate/business world, some companies make mistakes and know they did but proceed on still doing that.

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I don't think that the monster would actually be accepted into today's society because he is such an individual, that the perceptions of everyone else would we be fearful towards the monster.

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I believe because that Victor felt like he had a complete life supported by Maslow's hierarchy of needs the top of the pyramid is self-actualization and that's being the best you can be and i believe that's what drove victor to create this monster

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The main driving force of Victor's behavior was to create a new life (the monster)

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I agree with Brandon that the monster may have had good intentions, but he was never given the chance to display them because he was shunned by humans. Their perceptions of him caused them to act violently toward him, which changed the monster's attitude towards the humans

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Irrational behavior would be going against better judgement or being careless

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Priyanshu I can agree with that, because they probably do it for a purpose. But for the purpose of Frankenstein/Macbeth, I wouldn't say Victor/Macbeth would do that for a good reason.

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I think similarly to truth, rationality is subjective and what others think is irrational could be considered completely rational to others.

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I think of irrationality is the inability to be able to see the other side of a situation and solely pursuing one's own desires in spite of adverse conditions that could be very plausible. For example, this showed up in The Things They Carried because of the way that Tim O'Brien began to become obsessed with getting revenge on Bobby Jorgenson. Tim's experience of nearly dying as a result of Bobby's actions caused him to become consumed with the idea of inflicting pain upon Bobby even though his friends who he had to leave a few months prior specifically told Tim to leave that idea of causing pain to Bobby. The desire and obsession to inflict pain upon Bobby shows up in the way that O'Brien said “I’d head down to the wire and stare out at the darkness, out where the war was, and think up ways to make Bobby Jorgenson feel exactly what I felt. I wanted to hurt him” (O’Brien 184). He put these words into action through the very intricate and multi-tiered plan that O'Brien fulfilled on the night that he tried to instill fear in Jorgenson's life.

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Jan what do you think is the main driving force?

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There are many perceptions in life and in Delacy's case he had a different perception then most people being blind that he couldn't see what the monster looked like so he was able to accept him more unlike Felix and Agatha who could see him and ended up being very cruel to the monster.

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People can do irrational things in order to protect their family or loved ones. They can go to great lengths to accomplish anything even though they might take the wrong path.

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I agree with Brandon, the monster has good intentions, but nobody gives him the change due to his scary appearance.

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Continuing with what Sarah said, irrationality can be a byproduct of obsessions due to the way that an obsession causes someone to be unable to focus on other ways of perceiving a situation that others may see. This causes a person to continue to pursue their own desires with little to no understanding of what other people may thinking.

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ya, love makes people do rather irrational things

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Irrationality is when you act outside your personal morals

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I agree with Chris, I used the example, when answering the questioning, that De Lacey had a different perception on the creature because he could not see him. He judged him by the way he act and his personality. I think the author really wanted to drive that point, when writing this book.

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Obsession definitely drives human behavior to reach what they want to achieve and wont give up until they reach fulfillment

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A person that is acting irrational would create irrational or bad decisions for his/herself

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I think that obsession can drive human behavior, but I don't think it is the main factor. Not everyone has an obsession, so it does not influence everyone.

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good connection of when his obsession began and how his life was changed forever because of it

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Irrational behavior can be anything that wouldn't be done under normal circumstances. It can be harmful to yourself and others, and can greatly impact your current situation

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I agree with Sami, because it wasn't just the ambition to get king, but it also has to do with his obsession. He became obsessed with the witches prophecies, which caused him to think a lot about it.

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A connection to mental disorders is a very good one never thought of the idea that some of the characters weve discussed could have one

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I think that Obsession definetely drives human behavior because everything you do in then devoted towards the progress of that obsession which can prove that obsession is one of the factors that affect human behavior, in the long and short terms.

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I think that Victor's obsession with obtaining knowledge wasn't the main driving force of his behavior. I believe that it is a smaller part of human behavior because it is the underlying feeling that lead to obsession that drive our behaviors as well, rather than the behaviors themselves.

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Obsessions are caused because the person wants to feel the positive outcome over and over and will never get old

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I agree with Sami and Daniel that Macbeth was obsessed with power so he kept killing to gain more.

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Irrational thinking is careless behavior.

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I agree with Jan an addiction is when someone is dependent on something not necessarily just interested in it

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Continuing what Matthew said, there are certain disorders such as panic disorder that involve a high level of fear that causes someone to potentially avoid certain situations that could cause another panic attack.

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I think it's dependent on the situation and how the person handles their behavior. Their obsession could lead to irrational behavior, and then could cause negative outcomes @zohaib

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I feel like our perceptions on how we see the world and behave are based upon our beliefs and opinions that are formed from past experiences.

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Going off of Rohan, addiction is something that you constantly need to make you satisfied. It doesn't mean that you are into it.

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Obsession causes people to go out of control when they focus too much on the outside part of their wants, and not analyzing the consequences that result from the obsession.