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Does your organisation run an internal leadership programme?

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I don't know about any!! Didn't even know they existed, it would be something that fills a gap I am looking for but where does it exist?

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Maybe the Churchill Fellowship? But how accessible is this

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I'd love to one day be in a leadership position. I'm not talking line management and paperwork, but a position of respect and influence, guiding others, presenting at conferences etc. I have no idea how to develop these skills and get there one day

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My University runs one, which I attended, but it wasn't specific to my role as a researcher and was also a little basic for my needs. 

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My University runs one, which I attended, but it wasn't specific to my role as a researcher and was also a little basic for my needs. 

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Understanding whether, and in what ways, the general public would be interested in hearing about research on discrete patient groups

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Understanding whether, and in what ways, the general public would be interested in hearing about research on discrete patient groups

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Yes, but for researchers. It wasn't very relevant for Public Engagement professionals. 

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Yes, but for researchers. It wasn't very relevant for Public Engagement professionals. 

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There is no career progression ladder for PE. Each person has to create a path themselves (and it is hard work and many give up, and just stick where they are). I would love to see Professors of PE. (but the criteria then can't be publishing papers!). 

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There is no career progression ladder for PE. Each person has to create a path themselves (and it is hard work and many give up, and just stick where they are). I would love to see Professors of PE. (but the criteria then can't be publishing papers!). 

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If you do work your way up the payscales, you can end up 'too expensive'. 

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If you do work your way up the payscales, you can end up 'too expensive'. 

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Most generic leadership programmes I've been on are actually more about management. They are also heavily based on old fashioned ideas of leadership that don't reflect the complex reality of universities.

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Most generic leadership programmes I've been on are actually more about management. They are also heavily based on old fashioned ideas of leadership that don't reflect the complex reality of universities.

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by Helen F

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From Helen F: The challenge of lack of progression pathways is not unique to PEPs - it's a feature of most prof servs staff. What is it about focusing on PER that creates particular challenges?

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From Helen F: The challenge of lack of progression pathways is not unique to PEPs - it's a feature of most prof servs staff. What is it about focusing on PER that creates particular challenges?

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For example:

PE meaning different things in different universities doesn't help - it means your learning / skills are harder to take to other institutions

PER is largely optional so the mobilisation is harder and in some ways easier

Moving from being a leader by practice, to being a leader to influence others

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Inclusive Leadership for Public Engagement

Leadership for Outreach and Public Engagement

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The courses listed on the padlet seem to be for academics/researchers - apart from Engage Academy which Paul said is attended by quite a few who are  new to PE, are there any leadership courses in PE specifically for PEPs (eg not PE focused academics?) Or is it best to attend courses for a range of people to learn from those outside the sector?

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There is a lot of exhaustion in being a leader, which can lead to a point where they don't have anymore to give. How do you help them find that spark or joy in the role again?

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Leadership roles are few and far between and often held by original leaders. How do you become a leader when there isn't space for you?

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I don't know about any open external / sector-wide ones. My institution runs a leadership course, which I'm currently taking (seems high quality and thorough) though it's not PE-focussed

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Mentoring through the NCCPE? Unsure if this is specifically leadership support