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I would love to have a conversation about police and prison abolition, what we define as a crime, who gets labelled a criminal vs a mentally ill person, and who has been deciding these values through history, leading us to the assumptions we make today. All the while the most heinous criminals of all, the ones who's wealth hoarding is starving the planet and everything on it, will never see the inside of a cell.

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This weeks reading from Roach really highlighted to me how authoritarian the very idea of detainment us, especially when attempting to strip imprisoned people of their voting rights. What would make it easier for a government to ensure their unopposed & unchallenged power if any person they choose to detain for political reasons cannot even vote against them? We all know that Australian democracy is extremely flawed but examples like this so ironically show the disconnect between our supposed democratic values and institutions like prisons that are so deeply ingrained in society.

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containment can be viewed as both and positive and negative, because people like rapists and sex offenders or child sex offenders i personally think should be kept in containment due to the actions and crimes they committed, however on the other hand, there are innocent people trying to protect themselves and their families and children being held captive for absolutely no reason, these are people that can add to economy and keep a country running yet we choose to punish them.

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in this modern day i see that containment is only used for control and punishment, like jails and asylum as we learned in week one. i learnt that containment can lead to the 5 key concepts including, cohesion, isolation, institutional forms and regimes, affected people and population, culture and memory etc. essentially being help captive or being constantly moved as Marvin modelled, is not good for ones physically and mental state at all, and it is truely sad to think that people get treated worse than dogs for no reason

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Mardin Arvin's piece portrays the unacceptable behaviours conveyed throughout Australia's immigration detention centres. I think its really important to have a strong refugee system as these asylum seekers have already been through traumatic events in their lives and don't require any further mental distress when attempting to start a new life. They're basically being treated like criminals which is unacceptable, because if that's the case then every refugee should be classified as a 'CRIMINAL' and under no circumstances should they be allowed to seek refuge in Australia. Containment facility procedures should be designed to help people with education, safety and housing measures rather than keeping them captive and putting them through torture.

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I find it hard to think about confinement at either something good or bad because situations are hardly ever black and white. While I do think that rehabilitation is a much better option than confinement, for those truely worst-of-the-worst cases, it is safer for everyone involved to keep them in containment

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I agree with a lot of what has been said, but we can't turn the dial too far towards rehabilitation. In an ideal world, every prisoner will want to change their lives to move away from a life of crime, but it isn't an ideal world. For a multitude of reasons many prisoners will be unwilling or unable once released or disengaged with rehabilitation programs to continue to avoid criminal behaviour.

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I agree with a lot of what has been said, but we can't turn the dial too far towards rehabilitation. In an ideal world, every prisoner will want to change their lives to move away from a life of crime, but it isn't an ideal world. For a multitude of reasons many prisoners will be unwilling or unable once released or disengaged with rehabilitation programs to continue to avoid criminal behaviour.

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I think it's important to recognise the importance in the point Vickie makes in her opinion piece, suggesting that rehabilitation should be a method used by the Australian legal system to 'manage' prisoners, rather than punishment mechanisms. Australian officers, those specifically in charge of handling prison systems are abusing their power and unecessarily using additional punishment mechanisms for prisoners, furthermore, taking away prisoners' rights and confining them in their own little bubble, excluded from society, making re-entering society even more of a challenge for prisoners after their sentence is complete.

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It is so hard to watch how the prison system continues to operate. Seeing Vickie Roach’s point of view as a female prisoner and first nations women has only solidified the idea that we are continuing to utilise a system that does not work. It is hard to see that society continues to focus on the harsh punishment of prisoners, which in fact turns them into those harsh prisoners by treating them that way. The prison system needs to learn to give them the second chance that their upbringings, families and society did not give them. There is no true long term benefit to pure focus on the punishment on the individuals committing the crime. No, not even individuals because we do not treat them like that. We have created and nurtured a system that allows for the cattle like treatment of human beings. Yes human beings who have committed horrible offences but to who in the future does it benefit to allow them to continue the pattern. Rehabilitation is the only answer. Yes punishment is deserved, but that is in the form of imprisonment and the dehumanisation that comes along with it. Rehabilitation allows for a safer and more aware society. If we allow for more prisoners to have the opportunity to turn the leaf to a new life then crime would be reduced. Recidivism rates are so incredibly high and what is being done to fix them? Not enough. Give these people the chance to make the right choice next time. Allow them to be treated like a community member, to be in an environment they may have never experienced growing up and therefore lead to that shop being robbed, that person assaulted. Crime is never fair, and punishment is justified but when are we going to start thinking of the future and not create an environment that replicates the environment that created this negative, frustrated, damaged individual in the first place. Start to make the change, look at the facts and stop becoming the definition of insanity. To do something over and over and expect a different result. Create teaching opportunities, community opportunities, allow for the fact that these people have different interests and remain clear that they need to find a passion and a purpose. Crime is not a purpose but the only way to change that mindset is to allow the opportunity. It is painful to see how we can not progress. Choose to make a difference and the results will follow, choose to stay the same and we will never find an answer.

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The treat of prisoners is this country is one thing, but the treatment of asylum seekers and refugees in a similar or if not worse manner is absolutely horrible to hear. This is because these people have not done anything yet are shown the same respect as a criminal which is viewed in our system as a wrong doer, even though this people have not committed any wrongs in the eyes of the system they have simply sleeked asylum here. Its further hurt by the fact that the Australian government clearly knows what they are doing as they are signed to many treaties against such treatment yet continue to do it.

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considering Australia's Economic/political power and its global leadership, their response to refugees and asylum seekers is shameful and embarrassing. Australia does have the resource to atleast ensure that the UN human rights --which Australia is a signatory to-- of refugees and asylum seekers is upheld. Additionally, the indefinite detention of these people is cruel and degrading. It does not cost the Australian government to inform these people of their condition or the process, however, this shows Australia's ignorance towards people in need of support. While it is understandable that Australia may not have an abundance of resources to satisfactory meet the need of all refugees and asylum seekers which is why they are deterring them, “you have to understand,
that no one puts their children in a boat
unless the water is safer than the land”
Warsan Shire, “Home”

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i think it is shameful how was treat our aslyum seekers here in Australia, espcially with the story we were required to read. about the ongoing moving and how he was happy to breath in the 10cm of air he had. it is dissapointing that Australia is deemed such a muticultral country yet there are so many people with different experiences, bad experiences. furthermore, the harsh containment of prisoners and aslyum seekers in my opinion does nothing for the rehabilitaton of these offenders and is a completely faulty system.

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Mardin Arvin's piece is servers as another example of the horrendous torture which asylum seekers must endure here in Australia. You'd think that in this day and age we wouldn't be living with such outdated and abusive policies. That form of containment is not good for anyone, especially not those who must suffer through it.

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I just think that it is unfair that we welcome refugees and asylum seekers who leave their home due to danger and come to Australia for a better life yet they get treated like criminals. What's the point bringing them to Australia for better opportunities yet they get stuck there for years and years on end, not knowing when they will be set free? The Australian Government should be assisting with the settlement into Australia in terms of housing, education and employment rather than keeping them stuck in a continuous cycle of exclusion and isolation within the detention camps.

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Over time and entering the modern era, prisons and containment centres have grown. Establishments have created environments for particular groups of people such as for example women (introducing women prisons). Women experience high rates of post-traumatic stress disorders. Having a female prison can help increase the need for rehabilitation services such as counselling for women who have experienced sexual abuse and domestic violence.

In 2019, females accounted for only 8% of all prisoners. In the past, due to this, females were not offered the same amount of programs and services for rehabilitation as men. Having female containment environments, the focus on women as a minority group would stress the need for equal entitlement for such services that would help them return back to the community healed. Having services that target women and provide assistance and support would help decrease  recidivism rates as well.

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although containment today is more used as a safety mechanism for society, prisoners are forced to live in torturous and inhumane conditions where rehabilitation is almost impossible.

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I think containment for purposes of protection for the general public, could be seen as necessary in the case of very violent, high risk offenders who do not see a problem with their offending, or think that it is "natural". However, I think the volume and circumstances around most instances of containment now, have gone far beyond the original intention for its creation. It is now reaching a point that it has impeded on basic human rights, particularly in the instance of immigration detention centres. Or, where we investigate the overrepresentation of indigenous/aboriginal people in our prisons, who we are continuing to strip of their culture and connection with country and community. Incarcerating for offences that would not typically result in a prison sentence.

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My question is: why is the topic of containment always perceived with negative connotations?
Individuals can be contained for various  reasons, such as to be provided help for their mental health issues. By taking individuals away from society, they can  focus better on improving themselves without the demanding pressures of society as a whole. Individuals whom are also a threat to society can be contained in facilities, in order to rehabilitate themselves through various methods so that they are no longer a threat to society, and harmony can be achieved in society.
Despite this, containment can also be seen as a way of stripping individuals of their basic rights, of freedom and the ability to interact in social settings.
However, I raise the question as to why the negatives of containment are focused solely on when containing individuals can also come with great benefits for the troubled individual them-self and society as an overall.

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I feel like the concept of containment as punishment is something new, yet this theme of containment was not necessarily viewed as something bad in the past. for example many fairytales speak of containment in a form of protection of the person contained, however at the time these stories were made, punishments were usually quite harsh and containment was seen as a peaceful wait before true punishment. its almost as if the true horrors and pain containment can cause was overlooked in the past simply because it wasn't seen as justice. now that things have evolved we have created a space to criticise containment in of itself.