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guys you need to elaborate

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Miriam I fully agree with you and how Ender has no say in this,and is not only affecting Ender but is affecting everyone.

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thats a great point daniela

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Noah I agree with you how he is being damaged when the person in charge think they are doing a good job while in reality they aren't

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*literally everyone here ELABORATE

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ELABORATE

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needs more elaboration

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don't stop elaborating

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elaborate please

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elaborate please

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elaborate please

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i  agree with daniela that the government is limits his freedom to do things, also how he is different and that he is a half of peter and a half of valentine and that he is a perfect copy of peter and great with all the descriptions

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elaborate please

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Daniela, I like how you elaborated on the idea that Ender is half Valentine and half Peter.

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Jose, Once Ender is at Battle School, does his freedom/choice increase or decrease? He definitely didn't have a real choice to go but does that change at all in space?

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I agree with you Daniel, but the IF is trying to make Ender more self reliant and they want something out of him other than being a hero. Liam W

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Person, I agree with you for this this and this, but elaborate more on this please, because I don't like this this and this. This sums up this activity pretty well

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The government limits Ender's freedom with the monitor and with the knowledge of being a Third, the knowledge of being the I.F's property, it also allows him to have the freedom of living since he is a Third, to not get bullied, to not be physically hurt.They also allow him to be a 'perfect' copy of Peter and Valentine. "To be half Peter and half Valentine". It seems like Ender has choices but in reality it's mostly a lie , there are some times when he gets to decide like when he was getting bullied by Peter, Ender could've told an adult but didn't. Ender has the desire to 'just live' when he almost beats the game. "I can go to one of the villages and become one of the little boys working and playing there, with nothing to kill and nothing to kill me, just living there...he could not imagine what 'just living' might actually be...he wanted to do it anyway"

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Liam, do you think that limiting the number of children people have can, in any way, also promote freedom? Would fewer people on Earth allow the people here to do more, have more, etc?

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Ender didn't really have a choice to go to battle school. He was monitored and being tested to his ability. Ender either could stay home and have a chance on being invaded , or as Graff had said, "..mankind might survive and the buggers might leave us alone for ever--then i'm going to ask you to do it. to come with me". When he got to battle school, he didn't really have a choice either. He was forced into going with the 10-11 year old's when he didn't want to. "the ten and eleven year old's towered over him; even the youngest were eight, and Ender was not large for his age." I feel like Ender should choose what he wants to do. It feels like he is forced into everything, and he doesn't get to see or visit his family. -Reilly G

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Good point Daniel

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Noah, I agree with you how all the games are subtly testing the students on their different personalities and how they will react ~Luke

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Jacob, I also agree. The IF would have probably made him go anyway or would have found some way to get rid of him.

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Jacob I agree with your points but elaborate a little more on your thesis.

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Does Ender think he will be a hero? For all he knows he is becoming his brother and hates himself for it, which could ultimately destroy all good that is inside him. -Daniel B

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In the society Ender lives in his freedom is limited in many ways but he is given new opportunities to learn new things. The whole reason the battle school exists is to teach smart kids another way to look at problems. All the games there aloud to play are made to help them learn new solutions to hard problems. The battle room is used to teach them strategies they could use in war. If Ender had never gone to battle school he would have never learned skills that would help with problem solving when theres a hard problem. -les vegetables -Noah Shaw -Ivan Soloviev

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Geena, you make solid points with great textual evidence! Thanks for the 2 direct quotes.

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I think structure of the society is up to your and what you believe in, you have the rights to your choices in life good or bad, people it feels like are putting Ender down for what he can do and what he wants to do, its his choice for what he wants to do in his life so he's the one making the choice in the way he wants his life but there will be obstacles in the way of your life, ''Ender didn't like fighting. he didn't like peter's kind, the strong against the weak, and he didn't like his own kind either, the smart against the stupid.I'm guessing that Ender doesn't like violence and that violence is never the answer for things and if he doesn't want to fight then he doesn't have to that's this choice that he makes for himself not other people, he have the right to his freedom to decide for himself. Ryanne Dotson

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Truck, don't forget to use evidence to support your statements. Also, since Ender practices with his launchies against the commander's orders, doesn't that prove Ender does have the freedom to choose? Are there major consequences for him going against orders?

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I agree with you Nate, how the monitor is helpful and harmful in different ways. ~Luke

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LEO Ender might of not had a choice to go to battle school  because it was necessary. If you were in Ender's  position you would have most likely done the same thing. The I.F's manipulation on Ender may turn Ender into a hero some day.

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In the society of Ender`s universe it mostly limits freedom b/c u r all living the same, the government picks how many kids 4 u 2 have, and basically the government controls everything... but u have enough freedom 2 make friends and u kind of have a choice 2 chose 2 go 2 battle school (but not really). on the other perspective, if u were some 1 who has been living like this u would c this 2 b a part of every day life, u would c this 2 b normal, u wouldn't c any thing wrong in the way u r living (maybe), but u would c enough freedom in your life 2 think u r free. (this reminds me of the desk the students have)...
Jordan

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For Ender being a Third, it limits his freedom because he is basically property of the International Fleet. When Graff asks Ender if he wants to come to space, he is being influenced and technically doesn't have a choice. "Of coarse we already have your constant , granted in writing at the time conception was confirmed, or he could not have been born. He has been ours from then, if he qualified." "For the two of you, the choice was made when Ender was conceived. But for Ender, the choice has not been made at all." -Layla K.

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Genna  I also agree because even though they are making it like he has a choice he really doesn't and as soon as he start the become close with some of the guys and they IF realizes it they take him away...- Miriam C.

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Nathan, you make some good points about him being manipulated. Do you think he has any freedom to decide how to respond? What does he have control of, and does HE in any way manipulate others too?

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The structure of society limits his freedom of choice when the I.F comes and "gives him the option to stay or go" when really he was the 3rd child which were illegal. This causes him to not have a choice to stay or go. "You're a Third, Turd. You've got no rights" Jacob McGraw

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The monitors also promote freedom because the children that don't have people coming after them and trying to bully them and they won't have to defend themselves as much with the monitor. But they have no freedom from the people watching them and they can't get rid of them until the monitor is gone. Nate Henry

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i think that the freedom is rare cause the government own the children for battle school, and there aren't any choice because Ender was manipulated to go to battle school.  jose

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Liam W, The structure of society in Ender's game on earth is the limit of how many children you can have. "and so we requisitioned you, to be half Peter and half Valentine, and a third child is illegal".  The limit of freedom in space is the IF and how they control many of the kids lives and how they will interact with the people around them."so your going to isolate him.I'll have him completely separated from the other boys by the time we get to the school"

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Dink = Mad-eye Moody

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Serenity, great job... I feel the same way about the IF saying that he has a chose even though he really doesn't -Miriam

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Serenity, When he goes to Salamander, he doesn't get trained by the toon leader. Does he have freedom and choice to respond to that in a way?

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that is true geena

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AT the beginning of the book when Ender is asked to go to battle school he doesnt have much of a choice because he is kinda being persuaded to go."you can change your mind. Up until the time you get in my car with me, you can change your mind."  When Ender goes to battle school he  doesn't have much of a choice when he gets the letter that he has been promoted because he had to leave his group even thought he didn't want to. "just when things were finally coming together" geena yursha

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Freedom is pretty limited both on Earth and  in school. At the beginning Graff tells him his has a choice, but it's not much of a choice. He persuades Ender by saying "If there's a chance that because you're with the fleet, mankind might survive and the buggers might leave us alone for ever- then I'm going to ask you to do it." In battle school almost everything that happens to Ender is set up by the leaders for their plans with him. Also there is no visitors allowed  in and no one's allowed out. Since he is a third he is property of the IF so he can't control what they do with him. There some things that are allowed like him being able to practice with his launchy friends, even though it goes against his commanders wishes. Truck Miller

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Nate, do the monitors also PROMOTE freedom? When Ender had his, he was free from being bullied (except by Peter) because everyone knew he was being watched. Also, good use of quotes.

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Ender and the other students at battle school have their freedoms limited in many ways. They were given a choice to go to battle school, but it wasn't much of a choice. If Ender didn't go, the world would be destroyed by the buggers. Another example is that Ender was forced to Join the Salamander Army, just as Ender was making friends in the launch group, and becoming more comfortable with his situation he was traded. "Ender Wiggin. Assigned Salamander Army... Effective immediately."  Ender is being bossed around and manipulated by the people at the beginning of the chapters. I can also see how their freedom is promoted, the games that they play on the computers have a multitude of possibilities, and they also have their desks which they can do a lot with. They can also sign up for classes as Ender did, "He used one of the public desks in the game room to register for an earth-gravity person combat course..." He was also able to train with people like Petra and Dink. -Nathan B.

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So it seems like Ender had a choice but he actually didn't. They just lied to him about having one so he could feel like he was doing his on his own. That's all they doing, just lying to him. '' i'll lie to him''- page 16 chapter 3 At the school he still has some freedom just not as much of it. He can't even see his family until a certain age! When he moves to the Salamander, Madrid won't even let him train.'' Here are your instructions, Wiggin. I expect that it is the last time i'll spak to you. You will stay out of the way when we're training in the battleroom. You have to be there, of course, but you will not belong to any toon and you will not take part in any maneuvers."

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Noah, even though the IF does all those things, does Ender have the opportunity within those confines to make choices and have any freedom?

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Leo, elaborate on how, even though it is harsh, it is necessary. Do you see it as okay to do something cruel or harsh to protect people?

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Miriam, you have a great quote to support your point. When he moves to Salamander, does he have any choice in how he fights or responds to others?

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The structure limits freedom because all these kids had a monitor and most of them didn't make it. These children's lives were partially taken up by there monitor and worrying if the were going to make into battle school. " washed out Andy." This shows that these children are all wanting to get in. ''But if there is a chance that because you're with the fleet mankind might survive and the buggers might leave us alone forever I am going to ask you to do it." This shows Ender doesn't really have a choice, leave or let everyone die. Nate HEnry

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In the book "Ender's game" Ender's choices are very limited. He doesn't really have a choice whether he go's to battle school. When he gets there and starts to make friends he is switched to another toon because the people in charge want him to stay isolated in order to "save the world" but there also ruining Ender's life at the same time because he was taken away from his friends and family. They also dont him to be in touch with his family by blocking there letters to him "now it had been 2 years since he left and there were no letters, none at all." -payed for and brought to you by Noah Shaw

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LEO   Ender, being a third is technically the property I.F. which limits the freedom of himself and his parent's. Ender  had no choice but to go to battle school. As seen in the conversations at the beginning of each chapter, Graff and the other officers are purposefully trying manipulate Ender's mind so they can successfully "breed" a leading commander. All of this may seem harsh, but it's for the well being of the human race.

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I feel as if the school limits freedom from Ender and all the other kids by not letting them have any outside contact with the world and there family. " there aren't any vacations from battle school. No visitors either." I also feel that Ender did not let him chose the group he was forced to move up to the higher class with 10-11 year olds. " Ender Wiggin assigned salamander army commander Bonzo Madrid effective immediately. So he was forced and had no say to go to the higher group/army -Miriam C.

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Daniel, You make a good point.

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This structure of society in this world limits their freedom of how many children you can have. One of the quotes i have  found is "No one wants a third anymore". In this way it limits his freedom since he is a "third". One of the ways it promotes freedom is by giving Ender somewhat of a choice to either to go to the battle school or not in this quote "We need the best we can get,and we need them fast. Maybe you're not going to work out for us,maybe you are.....but if there's a chance because you're with the fleet,mankind might survive and the buggers might leave us alone..." another way it promotes his and the other students freedom is the free time/ game room time. These help Ender hone his skills to become a better commander and to push him to his full potential. Hayden Stewart

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John, where's your evidence?

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Thanks to the structure of society, 3rd children are illegal, making them property of the International Fleet. So in chapter 3 when Ender is given the choice to join the school or not, he really doesn't have a choice because he is their property. Ender thinks he has freedom but in reality he doesn't, his future is set in stone by the IF. -Daniel Brady

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the way people act limit enders choices because he cant beat people up but if he does a wrong move he could get beat up himself.and the rules of the battle school limit his freedom along with the locker setups he cant leave anything out because it might be stolen by a bully. like when he posted the saying on everybodys desk''cover your butt leonards watching. and the fact that since he is illegal he is i.f property.john daggett

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Luke M: The structure limits the choices of citizens, because the government can take away the freedom that they have and recruit them to battle anytime it is necessary to them.  "All right. We're saving the world after all. Take him." The way the government and world is formed gives them the power to knock down someone's life and rebuild it the way they want it, just like they did with Ender. Since he is a third, legally he is the I.F.'S  property, and they are making him their puppet. I dislike that because they strip him of his rights that he is supposed to have until the day he dies. Graff makes it seem that Ender has choices when he really doesn't. The Battle School does give a little freedom, because it gives Ender the choice to work and succeed, or not care and fail. That is where Ender chooses how he uses the little freedom he has left.  " 'How many make it through the first year?' asked Ender. ' All who want to.' said Graff"