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Also, why is everyone labeled "Anonymous"?

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But he could just be hearing the voice in his head. It could be Frith, but most evidence could be debated

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He was told to tell blackavar's guards not to feed him, but he told them to feed him now. Wilhelm

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who dat

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I agree with Joshua's point we have seen these 'lucky' times too many times to consider it chance. There was the time when the train helped Holly and his group get away, the time when Bigwig ran the Fox straight into Efrafa wide patrol, and now a storm that helps them get away. That is too many times of 'luck' to be considered luck. It has to be divine intervention. - Madelyn

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Izzy, what about within the realm of this novel?

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But William, explain the relation between luck and doing something someone told you not to.

-yo bigwig

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[Lauren] Responding to the response to Josh by anonymous (12:58): chance is a tricky thing.

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fun fact. The name William was based off the Wilhelm Knights, a group of Germanic christian knights.

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Nice, Charlie.  Definitely fits with Bigwig's personality, though how to account for some of the other events?

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Response to Mr.Finn. The most practical reason for him gasping is because the rain was coming down very hard at the time. "...almost pinned to the earth by the rain"359   Cutler

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Great evidence, Madelyn!  Anyone notice how the lightning is described?!

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Fate and luck both have a part to play depending on how you look at it. On one hand you have the rabbits’ POV, which they think is fate or their deity. But, from some people’s POV it seems like they are just very lucky because none of this seems like would normally happen. By that I mean most people would think that deities would just stay up in the clouds or wherever they are. -Izzy

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Bigwig told them to get blackavar out when he was told to tell them the opposite
.Wilhelm.

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Interesting, Josh.  Other evidence?

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@josh - yeah, there is no way that many lucky things can happen that many times by chance, connecting to dues ex machine.

Trevor

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I completely agree with Trevor, there is no way all these lucky things are happening without frith help and then someone is in big wig's head 100000000% confirmed, " oh lord send me a sign" 343/ HUNTER

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Yes. I agree with Hunter and Trevor, at first I couldn’t really put together all the pieces and now i feel it’s not so much luck, it’s more fate. Adams definitely knew what he was doing here - Gracie

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Gracie, go further with your last line.  How so in this book?

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I think it isn't luck but ,instead, the same origin of power for fiver and hyzenthlay.-shaun responding to mr finn

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Joshua: Blackavar's guards didn't get the message that "Blackavar won't be wanted this evening," giving Bigwig the opportunity to trick the guards and get Blackavar.  Is this controlled by Frith, or is it a roll of the dice? I believe some divine force is involved because how many times have they been considered "lucky" now? There must be a divine force, since it has happened so many times.

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Logan, couldn't it just have started raining?

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SLOW DOWN PLEASE I CANT READ THAT FAST

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Madelyn

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Cutler:  interesting, though what's the most practical explanation for why he's gasping?  I love where you're going with this, though!

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the rabbits are very lucky, and i think it is fate in this section since on pg 353 it says,” the storm will defeat efrafra” but without the storm they most likely wouldn’t have accomplished their plan. the rain also made it harder for the owsla to find them, “if they could get out of sight, their pursuers might be puzzled, for the rain and the failing light would make tracking difficult”(353) also, kehaar saves bigwig by attacking woundwart just in time. - emily

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hunter

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[Lauren] I think it was a mix of fate and chance that the storm was helping him, and the “other” Bigwig in his head took advantage of this. It was purely chance that the storm just happened to show up when the escape was planned. It also could’ve been fate because the group was starting a new warren, and it was only fair that, after all they’ve been through, they deserved something in return.

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After re-reading the section, I have found it can’t be bigwig talking to himself, “a small voice appeared in his head.”  (P. 359). I think it is most likely el-arhaha talking to him because El- Araha is farther down the chain than frith, so it would make sense if his voice was less powerful.

Trevor

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I agree with hunter that there must be some spirit involved in the luck related events, which would definitely connect to Deus ex Machina if that was the case 359

-yo bigwig

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Bigwig hears a voice in his head. I feel like the person telling him to use the storm might be Frith. It suggests this when right after Bigwig says that, "May Frith blast you and your fowl Owsla" (Pg. 359). This quote comes right before lightning strikes, suggesting that Frith heard Bigwig's call and helped him. Then, Frith speaks to Bigwig telling him the storm is for his use and that he is on Bigwig's side. -Madelyn

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Good use of evidence, Hunter.  Anyone else build on this?

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The storm is there by luck, and the voice he hears is the daring, witty part of his subconscious telling him to take advantage of this storm. Because hazel says "'And remember,you're the leader now.'"(302), Bigwig sees himself as the leader, and therefore has the feeling to take action for his "people". -Charlie

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O lord frith,send me a sign, 343 hunter

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I did,

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I think that the voice could've been Frith since Bigwig said," May Frith Blast you and your foul Owsla full of bullies."

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Trevor, why do you think Big is talking to himself?  Analyze the text to support.

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Woundwort is skeptical, Shaun, but where do you stand?

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I completely agree with Trevor, there is no way all these lucky things are happening without frith help and then someone is in big wig's head 100000000% confirmed, " oh lord send me a sign" 343/ HUNTER

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William, is there evidence that Frith gave him control of the fog and lightning?

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shaun. yellow my color. Wilhelm

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"Your storm Thlali-rah use it." it was his and it causes death and inle is death Bigwig new inle. Wilhelm

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Other support for the possibility that it's El-Ahrairah or Frith talking?  Find evidence, use reasoning!

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I think the voice in his head is Frith because he is teaching BigWig to use his powers. "Gasping, he struggled up and pushed Blackavar with his foot" 359 He might've been gasping because this would be the first time this had happened to him.      -Cutler

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I think the thing talking to bigwig is frith he says “May frith blast you” this is when he is yelling at the rabbits then a second later lighting comes down and scares them. This means frith helped him with the rabbits -John

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But, is the fact that it's raining luck, Gracie, or is it something else?  Text evidence to support?

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"' im sorry the fox got him,sir. It was a stroke of very bad luck.' Woundwort stared at him out of his great, pale eyes,"(338)-shaun again. Support

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frith or another godlike being may have intervened and saved him because rabbits can’t usually control storms. Bigwig was also talking about how frith would help him and would smite the general. - Logan

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-Part of the luck is rain, simply because it makes the rabbits harder to track.(353)
-Also, “The rain fell like a waterfall” (359) this makes it hard for the Efrafans to see the WatershipDowners Keehar was also a very big part of luck because at just the right time he swooped down and attacked Woundwort. “Without Keehar, they would certainty have lost all touch with each other.” (362) this demonstrates Keehar helping them find each other.
- The final part of luck is, “Your storm, Thlayli-rah. Use it” (359) this shows how Frith helped.
• In my opinion, nothing is really luck, it is fate because Adams knew what he was doing and didn’t just put this here to be a coincidence.
~ Gracie

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This doesn’t have text evidence but I think that if it is el ahrairah or frith talking, it could be related to our discussion about Deus Ex Machina

-YO BIGWIG

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the storm greatly helps the rabbits escape efrafa. for example, “the storm would defeat efrafa”(353). this is luck because storms don’t just happen everyday, but one that did happen was just at the right time. it made the rabbits harder to track down which helped them escape faster.
☆abby☆

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Frith was giving him control of the fog and lightning he could be the new inle. Wilhelm

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Woundwort is sceptical of the luck vs intent of the bigwig leading the fox into the patrol. (337-338) -shaun

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When Thalayli hears the voice in his head I think he is simply talking to himself. It is possible that Frith is speaking as well.

Trevor

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-YO BIGWIG

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I think that the voice talking yo Bigwig could be el ahrairah or frith

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