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Can we talk about how Billy Wilder shows the distinct contrast between "old" and "new" money through the characters of Norma and Joe?

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Among the many memorable elements in the film, what struck you as the most powerful representation of the dark side of Hollywood's glamour and the human condition?

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Can we talk about how Max stayed with and took care of Norma despite being her ex husband? Why does he make an effort to make sure things work out in her favor, while also attempting to create an environment where she will be able to do what she pleases?

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Can we talk about the elements the movie uses to portray the dark side of Hollywood?Did the dark side of Hollywood lead to Norma's madness seen at the end of the film?

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The symbolism of cars in the film? Joes car, which is shiny and new, and is eventually taken away from him, as contrasted with Norma’s old fashioned car that is more wanted than her.

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When Max is on the phone and Norma asks who was speaking, then Max compares Joe to a dog being at the pound.

stick 'em up Gillis

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Can we talk about how the movie itself depicted the film industry back then? Does the film expose the reality?

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Can we talk about the character arch of Joe and what he represents?

- A specific moment that fascinated me was when he had to decide between Betty and Norma. I thought it was interesting how quickly he chose Norma. It's a strong contrast to him in the beginning of the film when he was adamant about his writing career. Why did he abandon his dreams when presented with this opportunity?

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Can we talk about how they portrayed and filmed Max with different camera angles to seem more mysterious, insinuating that there was more to his character than let on at first. ie. the zoom in on his hands playing piano, over the shoulder shot when Joe first went into the house

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Can we talk about how the black and white may have affected the visual experience and overall presentation of the movie? In what ways would the film be different if it were in color? Positively or negatively?

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Can we talk about how Norma both uses Joe for his writing to ability to help her achieve a comeback, while simultaneously depending on him to the point of insanity.

- What this says about the opportunistic aspects that attracts actors to Hollywood, bringing unsuspecting, inexperienced newcomers into a dangerous industry.

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This is a bit general, but can we discuss the role of the two main women in the film and how they, in many ways, act as a foil to each other? Also, how does Billy Wilder use film techniques to portray them differently? (ex. from my memory, I believe Betty was always filmed with softer lighting).

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1) I would be interested in learning the name and usage of the film technique in the movie from 00:27 to 00:28, along with the more profound meaning it conveys about the relationship between Norma & Max, and Joel (The intense background music in the first scene turns out to be Max's playing on the Piano in the next.)

2) Can we talk about the repetitive mention of "there's no lock in this house" and the symbolism behind the locks? (Especially when Joel always feels locked within the House)

3) Did the director make Norma break the fourth wall at the end of the movie? Why did Billy Wilder choose to end the movie this way?

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Can we talk about Max’s role and why he waited so long to explain why he cared so deeply for Norma?

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Can we talk about the symbolism of the swimming pool (originally empty, filled with rats and then Joe is ultimately murdered)?

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Can we talk about the symbolism of the dead chimpanzee and Joe's comment of it was "as if she was laying to rest her only child."?

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Can we talk about how significant of a role the selection of classical music/pieces played for the movie and how they consistently established the scene's change in mood/emotion?

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1. Can we talk about how Joe could not break it to Norma that he was not into her? The build-up and blow up?

2. Can we talk about the scene of Betty and Joe writing Untitled Love Story, and how Wilder chose to physically split them using the windows of the small room? 1:19:09