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Practicing the sit command - Caspian who is a semi-retired PAT assessed therapy dog.

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Paws in the Park is a pre-booked animal assisted intervention for adults with a learning disability who enjoy being around dogs and are happy to engage in some physical activity and dog training activities.

Spaces are limited so pre-booking is essential.

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The world of animal-assisted interventions is unregulated, and this causes lots of challenges, one of the most common being the different descriptions people use. Here PAT (Pets As Therapy) have tried to bring clarity to some of the confusion in this article. April 2023

PAT dogs: Provide support and comfort to people who need them. The dogs have been suitably assessed to ensure they can accompany their owners to a wide range of places. You will often hear them called ‘therapy dogs’. They are not classed as assistance dogs.

Emotional support dogs: Described as being pets that are required for a person’s ongoing mental health treatment for their hidden disability by a licensed therapist, psychologist or any licensed medical professional.

Working dogs: Must be certified by a vet as being a working dog which is to be used in connection with law enforcement, activities with the armed forces, emergency rescue and lawful pest control. This term is also one of the main ‘breed categories’.

Assistance dogs: Dogs that have been trained in order to provide assistance to people with disabilities or people with certain medical conditions. They are sometimes called ‘service dogs’.

Although these are common descriptions, please remember that they are descriptions which are used in an industry where there are no occupational standards, regulations or regulated qualifications.

Animal-assisted interventions (AAI) An Animal Assisted Intervention is a goal oriented and structured intervention that intentionally includes or incorporates animals in health, education and human services (e.g., social work) for the purpose of therapeutic gains in humans. IAHAIO

Animal-assisted activities: The activities are focused on benefits which enhance quality of life. They can be carried out by professionals or volunteers. Interactions are often spontaneous and there is often no requirement to document or evaluate the interaction.

Animal-assisted therapies: This is a goal-directed intervention where the dog is an integral part of the treatment. Animal-assisted therapies are directed or delivered by a health professional and the outcomes are documented.

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We have recently been awarded the Green Care Quality Mark

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Judith Billingham
Phone: 07778815716
E/Mail: info@incahootstlc.co.uk

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Sensory Integration, Relational & Regulation 

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The Neurosequential Model of Therapeutics (NMT) by Dr Bruce Perry identifies goals in four
functional domains (sensory integration, self-regulation, relational and cognitive) that are
needed to be reached in order for a reparative effect to take place in the whole brain/body
experience and Animal Assisted Therapy may help to reach three of these domains. Animals
can assist with sensory integration, self-regulation, and building relationships (Perry, 2013)
(Parish-Plass, 2021).

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LEAP Equine Specialist  and Founder of GLEAM 

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LEAP Equine Specialist  and Founder of GLEAM 

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Viv is a LEAP trained equine assisted practitioner and founder of the GLEAM (Growing and Learning Equine Assisted Ministries) project . Vivienne is training to be a Forest School Practitioner and run sessions for the wider community at our Registered care farm in Ruardean.  When she’s not in the field up to her eyeballs in mud and surrounded by animals she is working with her team of volunteers and staff  busy in the community overseeing the coordination and development of projects such as Recovery Cafe and Food Share programmes.  For more information follow the link to the Forest of Dean Salvation Army Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/ForestOfDeanSalvationArmy/

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Why finding the right Dolphin Assisted Therapy programme is so important 

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Why finding the right Dolphin Assisted Therapy programme is so important 

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Working with Dolphins  in the wild comes with its own risks but finding an organisation that puts the health and safety of dolphins first along with safe interactions is paramount.  Waterplanet USA and it’s founder Denis Richard takes this seriously and developed many programmes to educate and change the way these interactions are offered in Panama City Beach  such as  the ‘no feeding’ programme to prevent the habituation of the local dolphins.
Please think carefully about supporting any therapeutic programme where these amazing creatures are held in captivity.

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Transforming Experiences Using Clay - An interview with Lynne Souter Anderson

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Sand Tray Therapy

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Hi jinks and ‘ goating... - Forest of Dean Salvation Army

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We took in these two as we were told they were going to be put to sleep so we very quickly built a compound for them and found out they are professional escape artists (I think Chesney shares their passion for escaping and has been known to venture out on occasions!!).
Once they have eaten they are friendly and gentle and love to come out for a play - these two most definitely help us to engage our PLAY emotional system. They are funny and joyful - sometimes overly joyful with each other so we have to put tennis balls on Mr. T's horns which is a tactical mission in itself. Clients love finding leaves and branches for them during the spring/summer and spending time watching them play.

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Hi jinks and ‘ goating around’ up at the yard this morning. They are completely crackers 😂😂❤️

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Chesney suffers quite badly with laminitis and so managing his grass intake and his feet is a constant activity for the team (mostly by his mum Viv).  He was a companion to another horse before he came to us so all the attention went to his companion and very little went to Chesney.  His owner was unable to cope with looking after him due to his constant flare ups of  laminitis so we were his last hope and he has been with us for over 3 years.  He has grown in confidence and rather than just pleasing people as he used to in the past he is now able to say NO.  He is very tactile and has been known to step into other peoples personal space so he teaches us a lot about boundaries and communication.  He is  one of the few horses that I have met that will reverse into a client's space to be part of the conversation.

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The matriarch of the herd and very protective of those she chooses to work with. A beautiful palomino in her mid twenties she is one of the first members of the GLEAM herd. She is also a laminitic so needs monitoring during the grass growing seasons. She is gentle and kind with the two legged members of her herd but when it comes to meal times (or anything else she wants) she is definitely able to assert herself and she is respected by all the herd family.

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CG is a 7 year old welsh mountain pony who was orphaned as a foal when she lost her mum during the floods on the welsh mountains.  She has had a traumatic start to life and is the baby of the family (though her and Ellie have disputes about this at times).
Due to her trauma she carries a lot of energy at times and loves working with people who may also arrive with the same level of energy. She suffers in the summer with sweet itch (as does Custard) so loves GLEAM season so that she gets endless grooming. She will take herself away when she doesn’t want to be part of the activity and Marley is her safe space and comfort blanket. She has been known to suck on Marley's mane which quite often is tangled and needs a good comb through! We are blessed to have her.

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GLEAM Team : Marley (1988-Dec 2022) & the Marley Award

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GLEAM Team : Marley (1988-Dec 2022) & the Marley Award

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This gentle giant was the most amazing horse standing over 16HH he has helped many people with their confidence and self-esteem.  We lost him this Christmas but he is here as a member of our team as many of the clients who have worked with us or are working with us will be dealing with the loss of this wonderful horse that had the biggest heart ever. It was a pleasure seeing children leading him and putting his head collar on as he always sensed their apprehension as they approached and would lower his head into the head collar for them to reach.
Marley was abused in his previous life - he was beaten so much so that he would engage his flight system at any sign of threat or what he perceived as a threat.  When I first met Marley I was unaware of his past and as I took off my coat he just flew to a safe space.  What Marley taught us was how we need to slow down and visualise what we are doing and to think things through before acting.  He would slow us right down so that we were mindful and present with him.  Above all this Marely through his gentle way taught us that it is possible to trust again after such a terrible start in life.  He was wonderful at working with people who have also been victims of abuse as he allowed them see and feel what it's like to trust again, have closeness and feel safe.
We will be offering the Marley Award to children and young people who spend time with us -  the details if this award will be available April 2025.

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For more information : Action on ACEs Gloucestershire | Hope, knowledge and support to overcome ACEs (actionaces.org)

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The Polyvagal Theory: The New Science of Safety and Trauma - Bing video

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The science of emotions: Jaak Panksepp at TEDxRainier

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Dan Siegel's Hand Model of the Brain (Flipping your lid) for Adults

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Dan Siegel's Hand Model of the Brain (Flipping your lid) for Adults

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Based on the Polyvagal Theory by Stephen Porges

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Your play therapy isn’t a secret. However, it’s up to you if you want to talk to other people about it but if you don’t want to, that’s okay too

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The first time you meet with your play therapist, they will explain that the most important job they have to do is to keep you safe. They will never tell anyone about what you have been playing but sometimes they may need to talk to a grown up about how you are. They will have to talk to other grown-ups if they are really worried about you and they feel that you are not safe. Your play therapist will always talk to you first if they have to do this.

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They will not ask you lots of questions but there will be lots of things to play with. You will be able to do almost anything you like! Hopefully, by playing and spending time with your play therapist you will start to feel better.

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The grown-ups in your life may have noticed you feel angry or sad about something. Maybe you are getting into trouble at school or you feel upset a lot? Whatever it is, your play therapist will try to help you feel better.

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Balancing Right Brain and Left Brain Activities in Play Therapy

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Balancing Right Brain and Left Brain Activities in Play Therapy

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Neuroscience is part of the Play Therapy process. As we learn about the working and wiring of our cerebral organ, we understand better it’s links to relationships and play, to trust and creativity, to exploration and growth. This can benefit a Therapist’s understanding of referral issues, relational dynamics, and therapeutic processes – thus developing our own minds as we learn how others’ work.

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Charlie Mackesy - The Boy, The Mole, the Fox and the Horse

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Barrie and Barbara (see below ) came to us after a traumatic start.  They were taken from their flock and driven to another place in the Forest where they were abandoned.  They came to us (brother and sister) to keep our rescue Erwin company.  Barrie is very curious and likes to be a part of our sessions but his sister is still a little shy but is gaining confidence and starting to come up to see what's going on at the shack.
All the sheep are incredibly clever and we are hoping to try and get some obstacle courses set up for them in 2023!

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Erwin helping me plan the next session!!

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Erwin made himself known to me as a lamb and luckily our experienced foster mum (Viv) knew what she was doing.  It was touch and go as the vet wasn't sure he would make it through the night but thanks to Viv and her husband who took him into their home he is with us now.  Seeing Erwin watch the Eurovision Song Contest was a sight I will never forget!!
He loves people especially children and at any opportunity will get into the shack and lay down next to people - he really is a gentle soul but when he wants something he will start pawing your leg or nibbling your hand for attention.

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A client came to InCahoot's for support with childhood trauma (cPTSD)  having a high number of ACE's and needing to make sense of their story.
A selection of Trauma Informed and Therapeutic Play techniques were used to help the client start to make sense of their pain and loss.
People living with this level of trauma are sometimes unable to articulate what or how they are feeling as this demands use of our higher cognitive functioning however, when someone with cPTSD finds themselves having an emotional or visual flashback /night terror they are unable to access this part of the brain.  The reason for this is because the Broca's  area, one of the crucial linguistic areas in the brain, becomes ‘blocked’ when they are reminded of their trauma. See Bessel Van Der Kolk - The Body Keeps the Score.
Using Therapeutic Play and Animal Assisted Intervention techniques, the client was able to  deal with these intrusive thoughts and emotions using the creative arts (drawing, painting and clay), journaling and sand therapy.
We also combined this approach with AAI and the two therapy dogs were able to;

Alert the client when an episode was coming

Help ground the client (by licking, standing close, insisting on being picked up and using their weight on the client's lap to keep them present or bring them back when they had dissociated) See Stephen Porges - The Polyvagal Theory.

Using Creative Visualisation to help reach a therapeutic goal

Offer Safety and support and regulation (Caspian has a very loud breath so just hearing it helped the client stay present)

It is important to note that the therapy dogs have the freedom to choose - they are not asked to do this it is a natural behaviour that has been encouraged, and the reward for them is the regulation with the client.
Please see the poem written by this client under Testimonial.

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The bespoke approach puts the individual at the center of their therapeutic journey.  It gives the flexibility to adjust the therapy techniques following the lead of the client and the intervention that is most beneficial to their health and wellbeing.  It is an Integrative Holistic Approach combining all the interventions described.

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Written by an adult working with Fred and Caspian

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Equine Assisted Learning with GLEAM       (Growth and Learning Equine Assisted Ministry)

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Equine Assisted Learning with GLEAM       (Growth and Learning Equine Assisted Ministry)

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Aim of GLEAM:  To grow confidence and develop key skills in the following areas:

Establishing Trust

Communicating effectively

Managing energy/arousal levels

Setting and maintaining safe and appropriate boundaries

Recognizing, understanding, and moderating emotions

Developing an approach to life that fosters an attitude of respect and gentle leadership.

Who is the project for?  Young People who would benefit from working in an environment which is stimulating and challenging on an individual basis yet offers mentoring support from a team of consistent adults and horses as facilitators. We will serve young people with emotional, behavioural, spiritual, and social challenges.

Why is this project required? Due to circumstances beyond their control, a number of young people experience difficulties in their relationships with parents and/or those in authority. They may have suffered a family trauma or experience in their young lives has left them with little or crushed confidence.  Knowing how to present themselves confidently and how to express their needs appropriately, learning how to ‘hear’ as well as listen and recognise the needs of others is a key development skill.  Many young people experiencing communication issues become isolated from their family and peer group.  This leads to difficulties and the build-up of habits which exacerbate the original problem.  Some young people reflect the traumas and failures of the past.

Coming together with a group of people who share your interest, with the opportunity to work together in a team for a common purpose forms the basis of learning self-awareness.

Why use Horses?

Many naturally occurring routines and activities in a horse environment act as the basis of new understanding.  If horses’ interest and motivate an individual, then learning about them provides a learning purpose.  Many of the skills learned are proven to the learner through the two intrinsic values of the horse - the existence of visual feedback and the opportunity to feel.  This begins to build self-confidence and the learner becomes more able to learn much needed life skills through the medium of the horse

The demands and reactions of the horses make sense and are straightforward.  The consequences of an action or behaviour are honestly reflected by the horse.  Horses do not respond to mixed messages, communication must be clear and considered.  To be successful with the horse one must be committed and prepared to complete a task.  He is often the one from whom an individual accepts a message, being delivered without bias.

A relationship developed with a horse can offer challenges to help overcome fears, build up trust, respect, compassion, develop communication skills, problem solving & coping techniques, self-confidence, and self-esteem. These skills are transferable to many other areas of ordinary day to day life.

People learn about themselves and others by participating in activities with the horses.  Gleam horses are facilitators in their own right and serve to influence young people in their way of thinking, reacting and in gaining perspective about their lives. Horses, large and unpredictable, sometimes intimidating just by their presence, can provide a natural opportunity for people to overcome fear and self-confidence issues.

What does GLEAM look like?

The focus of GLEAM is not riding or horsemanship. 100 % takes place on the ground. The focus involves setting up activities involving the horses which will require the young person or group to apply certain skills. Non-verbal communication, assertiveness, creative thinking and problem-solving, leadership, taking responsibility, teamwork and relationships, confidence, and attitude, are examples. Making it possible to develop relationships, increase self-esteem, and make decisions in a safe, fun, and positive environment will enable young people to discover new ways of dealing with problems creating lasting and positive change.

Over the agreed period (usually min of 6 sessions) the young person will also learn basic Horse Mastery skills.

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Trauma Informed is about helping people feel completely and totally safe right now, to feel fully alive, and to be fully engaged in the present and have a voice. It's about reclaiming lives. Bessel Van Der Kolk

Company Details

Hours of Operation

Monday - Friday 9am-5pm
Flexible hours when agreed in advance

Credentials

MA Ethics - Corporate Social Responsibility
Trauma and Mental Health Informed Practitioner
BSY Registered Animal Assisted Practitioner
Lead Change Equine Assisted Coaching
British Sign Language Level 1
FAETC Teaching and Assessing Qualification
Trainee Play Therapist PTUK

Honors & Awards

ACE's Ambassador with the Adverse Childhood Experiences Network Gloucestershire

More About Judith Billingham

My name is Judith and I am an experienced Trauma Informed Mental Health Practitioner using Animal Assisted Interventions located in the Forest of Dean. The training that I have undertaken via Trauma Informed Schools UK means that my approach to supporting people with trauma related difficulties is based on the most current research available in psychology and neuroscience. TIS UK I am also a trainee Play Therapist with PTUK.

I am an ambassador with the Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE) network, which is high on the agenda not just for Gloucestershire but UK wide, and in the United States. It is a unique drive to understand the lasting effects of early childhood trauma and initiating interventions early on in life to improve outcomes for children. It is a partnership between those involved with children to challenge and change the way we address the growing mental health crisis amongst young people. Adverse Childhood Experiences

As part of my approach, I use a personalised measurement system tool based on neuroscience and research conducted by Professor Jaak Pansepps into the emotional systems of the brain. This allows me a see a snapshot of how the emotional systems influence the individuals I work with in terms of their mental health and well-being. It gives me a unique opportunity to measure outcomes achieved through the intervention that is provided to minimise subjectivity and increase the validly of the effectiveness of treatment, showing the distances a client has travelled from beginning to the end of our time together. Jaak Panksepp - The Science of Emotions

I have extensively studied the holistic outcomes achieved when using animals to assist with interventions designed to help people improve their mental health and physical wellbeing. Animal Assisted Intervention

The calming, intuitive approach of animals and their ability to read human emotion makes them a crucial part of my work helping individuals develop new ways of thinking and self -discovery. I am the proud owner of two beautiful Pets as Therapy Dogs who play a central role in building and establishing relationships with clients in addition to an equine therapy programme with a small herd of horses in the Forest of Dean.

One of my most amazing experiences was undertaking an internship in the USA participating in, and learning about Dolphin Assisted Therapy whilst supporting children with life limiting illness. The dolphins were free and in their natural environment of the sea, and I discovered a range of natural approaches that I have been able to apply in my work back home. Dolphin Therapy

I am incredibly passionate in believing that every individual's journey to recovery is unique to them, and therefore I utilise a wide range of approaches to meet individual and personalised needs including sand play, puppets, music, art, therapeutic story telling. Sharing my experiences and sharing my therapy animals to give people the time, space and tools, to have a voice and help them reclaim lives is the most important part of my work. I firmly believe in developing connections, building trustful relationships and adopting mutual respect.

My peers describe me as kind, genuine, gentle, consistent, dependable and compassionate. I am able to nurture, listen, and show genuine positive regard and I can bring calmness into chaos. Whatever challenges you are facing, I will never attempt to minimise your pain, your feelings, your fears, or anything that is important to you. I will come alongside you and support you on your journey to recovery with a genuine and dependable desire to help you develop the tools you need to feel fully alive and connected to the present. Creating a safe environment, and giving you the opportunity to explore the challenges that you face with a completely non- judgemental personal approach.

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Get Directions View On Larger Map Trauma Informed is about helping people feel completely and totally safe right now, to feel fully alive, and to be fully engaged in the present and have a voice. It's about reclaiming lives.

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Play Therapy uses a wide range of creative arts techniques, both directive and non-directive, to ease mild to chronic psychological and emotional struggles that a child may be experiencing. A Certified Play Therapist is required to attend supervision and is also mandated to adhere to Play Therapy UK’s Ethical and Professional standards.

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"I feel like I'm on top of the whole world and it's the best day ever".

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Outdoor Play Therapy (GLEAM and TIS) April -September 2024

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Outdoor Play Therapy (GLEAM and TIS) April -September 2024

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We are fortunate to have the option of an outdoor therapy space with the wonderful herd and animals at our location in Ruardean.  The ability to choose from working therapeutically indoors (the shack) with the animals or outdoors enables the individual to decide where they feel they need to be at that point in time.  This is a rustic setting with a natural herd and allows the individual to be at one with nature experiencing the peace and tranquility of this location.  We have recently been awarded the Green Care Quality Mark from Social Farms and Gardens.

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Sessions are held in the therapy room offering the individual a choice of toys and games - all part of the therapy tool kit.  Children are able to work through problems in a safe environment allowing them to make sense of their stories and develop the skills and resilience to deal with their lives outside of the room.

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Intern with Waterplanet USA & the wild bottle nose dolphins of Panama City Beach

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The emotional impact of a dolphin encounter in his own environment combined with expressive art, massage, cranio-sacral therapy and music can be a beneficial experience for emotionally challenged and fragile children.

We find that our “Harmony” program can help a wide variety of children both those who are neuro typical and neuro diverse.
This programme also supports children with life limiting illnesses to give them the opportunity to be with the marine life of Panama City Beach and experience  'true free will' of the dolphins that choose to interact with us.
If you are interested in this therapeutic intervention please contact us for more information and opportunities.

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Play Therapy helps children understand muddled feelings and upsetting events that they haven’t had the chance to sort out properly. Rather than having to explain what is troubling them, as adult therapy usually expects, children use play to communicate at their own level and at their own pace, without feeling interrogated or threatened.
This type of intervention is relevant to adults and children and supports neurodiversity.

As a Certified Practitioner I offer sessions at our Play Therapy Room in Broadwell and during the Spring/Summer months sessions are held in Ruardean where our animal assisted programmes take place.

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Our Animal Assisted Intervention sessions (Learning and Therapy) are carried out by a trained and qualified therapist who holds an Animal Assisted Therapy Certificate, is a qualified Trauma Informed Mental Health Practitioner and a Certified Play Therapist.

Animals help people feel at ease in accessing what they need, and Animal Assisted Play Therapy combines the benefits of Therapeutic Play and the creative arts with the presence of our animal assisted team.  During the winter months the therapy dogs can be found in our playrooms (when appropriate) and our equine assisted interventions are offered April- October.

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Equine Therapy is with a licensed mental health professional who has the skill to work on issues arising from the past that may be preventing the client from moving forward to stability and healing.

The therapy we offer is an Integrative Holistic Approach using a mixture of the creative arts, the outdoors and animals combined with Play Therapy and Trauma Informed techniques.

Equine Assisted Therapy V Equine Assisted Learning
One of the key differences between Equine Assisted Learning and Therapy is that Learning focuses on character concepts and principles such as confidence or leadership rather than on personal issues.  An example would be if a client needs to increase their confidence the tasks and experiential learning objectives are focused on building confidence and self-esteem however, within the realm of therapy, the goal would be to establish why the individual has low confidence/self-esteem in the first place.

Sometimes the boundaries between Learning and Therapy cross but they are different interventions.  Supervision is necessary for Therapy whereas for Learning /Coaching  it is not a requirement.

For more information on Equine Assisted Learning please take a look at GLEAM (Growth and Learning Equine Assisted Ministry) below which is a project run with the Forest of Dean Salvation Army.

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A trauma informed school practitioner can support children and teenagers who suffer with trauma or mental health problems and whose troubled behaviour acts as a barrier to learning.  When children who have suffered several painful life experiences, are unhelped, there is a very high chance of them going on to suffer severe mental and physical ill-health. We therefore support children, schools, communities, and other organisations in providing relationships for these children that heal minds, brains, and bodies.
Motional is an online measurement tool for identifying, assessing, and improving the emotional health and wellbeing of children and young people.  It is based on Professor Jaak Panksepp’s research on emotional systems in the brain and extensive research, studies, and expertise in executive functional skills. It can record ACE and Protective Factor scores where required and gives staff a whole-brain picture of students' mental health and wellbeing.

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InCahoots offer a range of interventions with and without animals 

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Caspian started as a PAT dog when he was 6 and still enjoys the occasional visit.  Considering he is so vocal being an 'alarm dog' by nature when someone is in trouble he will stand quietly by their side alerting me to the situation.  He is a fun loving partner to have around.  He hates water but loves cuddles and bacon sizzler treats by Bakers.

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Ellie Pony is 22 year old pony (mixed) but looks like  a New Forest so I am told!

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Animal Assisted & GLEAM Team : Ellie Pony

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Animal Assisted & GLEAM Team : Ellie Pony

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Ellie is the latest addition to the team she joined us in 2019 to work alongside Rosie.  She is a beautiful gentle soul, kind and loyal and when the chips are down will comfort anyone struggling with their emotions.
Ellie is clever and mischievous (see hose pipe video), she loves keeping an eye on people and will hang around until she knows people are safe.

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Fred is a 5 year old Dachshund X Jack Russell

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This little chap lives up to his reputation of having a massive personality for his small size.  He is full of joy and has been working alongside Caspian - he is amazing at helping individuals to understand regulation.  He is more obvious in his therapeutic intervention - he will ask to be picked up and his tail tells us how people are feeling.  He loves playing fetch and destroying tennis balls!

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Rosie - TBXID and was the inspiration for all things Animal Assisted, my best friend and teacher

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InCahoots TLC (Therapy, Learning & Coaching)

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InCahoots TLC (Therapy, Learning & Coaching)

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Hi I'm Judith the Founder of InCahoots TLC and the first thing I should say is that without Rosie there would be no InCahoots. I owe the inspiration for my career change to her and since her leaving us at the beginning of COVID I realise that I need to share everything she taught me with others - human and equine.  I miss her every day but she lives on in the hearts of all those that came into our lives.
I am an experienced Trauma Informed Mental Health Practitioner using Animal Assisted Interventions located in the Forest of Dean.  The training that I have undertaken via Trauma Informed Schools UK means that my approach to supporting people with trauma related difficulties is based on the most current research available in psychology and neuroscience.  I have just completed my post grad training to become a Play Therapist with PTUK.