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European settlement in Canada, according to Black, has had a significant impact on the indigenous culture, education, and way of life. In general, make it a more civilized country. He also depicts negative aspects of indigenous people, such as their use of alcohol, which has no historical significance. I believe is unnecessary to mention when writing about history. In short, it's an interesting excerpt, but I believe it's more of a political anthology than a historical one.

Maimonah

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Just from reading the title of Conrad Black’s book “Rise to Greatness: the History of Canada” I was expecting complete objectivity in the excerpt. As I progressed through the excerpt, it became clear Black’s writing was filled with personal judgment. Another thing I noticed was there were no citations/quotations from experts etc. so I questioned the legitimacy of the information presented especially because of its biased nature, (Was the information well researched? Did he obtain correct information through credible and correct sources?). I thought Mr. Black would have showcased examples of supporting evidence throughout the excerpt. And lastly, I just wanted to touch on Mr. Black’s complete disregard of the Indigenous Peoples contributions to Canadian history. After all it was the Indigenous Peoples who helped Europeans adapt to the Canadian climate/environment, offered their own natural remedies for illnesses, taught Europeans ways to transport around (i.e., kayaks, canoes, snowshoeing etc.) and many, many other things?! Was this not good enough to acknowledge or mention?

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Here after reading the article! I feel like I couldn't have worded my feelings regarding the passage from that book better. History is 100% told by those privileged enough to have a voice. People like Black. He uses his voice to push racist ideologies and spread misinformation. I am however determined to be more critical of the history I read, and to look deeper into who's exactly I'm reading from.

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Here after reading the article! I feel like I couldn't have worded my feelings regarding the passage from that book better. History is 100% told by those privileged enough to have a voice. People like Black. He uses his voice to push racist ideologies and spread misinformation. I am however determined to be more critical of the history I read, and to look deeper into who's exactly I'm reading from.

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-Edwin

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ok, interesting.  Your tone and approach is perfect for academic writing. This is exactly the objective stance that all historians (and other researchers) aim for.  There's no emotional language.  Most importantly, you're not making any value judgements about good or bad.)  Take out the "I" and this is ready to be included in a university essay. 

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ok, interesting.  Your tone and approach is perfect for academic writing. This is exactly the objective stance that all historians (and other researchers) aim for.  There's no emotional language.  Most importantly, you're not making any value judgements about good or bad.)  Take out the "I" and this is ready to be included in a university essay. 

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In my analysis of the given text, Conrad Black has listed and clarified the developmental differences between two societies, that when they collide, some elements of said societies dissipate, some prevail over others with negative elements potentially emerging. I think Black's big idea is societal and political disaccord. 

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In my analysis of the given text, Conrad Black has listed and clarified the developmental differences between two societies, that when they collide, some elements of said societies dissipate, some prevail over others with negative elements potentially emerging. I think Black's big idea is societal and political disaccord. 

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This is an example of a publisher that would support Black today.
Website - https://www.prageru.com/
Twitter -  https://twitter.com/prageru?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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Exploitation of the Indigenous people and their land

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Exploitation of the Indigenous people and their land

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European with its advanced technology became dominant against the indigenous people and won control of the New World. But with its dominating cannons and muskets they forgot to respect the amount of years that were spent by the indigenous people in the so called New World. Their exploitation of the resources and hospitable nature of the indigenous people revealed their true intent on treating the world and its underdeveloped civilizations. Imperialism in Europe opened the doors to greed and abuse of power and it’s still present to this day. So no, this is not a victory to no one. It’s just a start to many more wars and political dogma.

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Even though the individuals already had away of life before the coming of the Europeans,their intrution more or less made the indians lose sight of the organised way of life the lived before the arrival which led to so many unruly behaviors like the alcoholic introductions for instance.-Eniye

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Even though the individuals already had away of life before the coming of the Europeans,their intrution more or less made the indians lose sight of the organised way of life the lived before the arrival which led to so many unruly behaviors like the alcoholic introductions for instance.-Eniye

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Life expectancy at 30years about five centuries ago is contradictory to what we heard about the ancestors. Chioma

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Life expectancy at 30years about five centuries ago is contradictory to what we heard about the ancestors. Chioma

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Yes, we have lots of evidence (vestiges) that tell us colonists felt exactly this way ("They felt Indigenous societies were not worthy of conservation, nor were their loss worth lamenting.") It's so interesting that CB reaches a very similar (identical) conclusion. 

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Yes, we have lots of evidence (vestiges) that tell us colonists felt exactly this way ("They felt Indigenous societies were not worthy of conservation, nor were their loss worth lamenting.") It's so interesting that CB reaches a very similar (identical) conclusion. 

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Knowing this does warrant a revision of my initial statement, but only to remove the words "more people with". The rest of my points do not change.

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We are aware today that they prefer to be called Indigenous people and that all that invaded were for-profit regardless

Adama

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Interesting!  Now, is this CB's answer to the question -- or yours?

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Interesting!  Now, is this CB's answer to the question -- or yours?

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I'll challenge you on a specific point here: there were very FEW Europeans compared to the population of First Peoples.  Does that change anything?

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I'll challenge you on a specific point here: there were very FEW Europeans compared to the population of First Peoples.  Does that change anything?

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The big idea according to previous studies of the treatment of of the people by the colonials shows manipulations,dehumanization and exploitaton to the the indians.

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The big idea according to previous studies of the treatment of of the people by the colonials shows manipulations,dehumanization and exploitaton to the the indians.

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maybe these are parts of CB's answer to the question.  Do they add up together to a general answer?  Diamond's answer is luck (lucky guns, lucky germs, lucky steel).  What is CB's over-arching answer?

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maybe these are parts of CB's answer to the question.  Do they add up together to a general answer?  Diamond's answer is luck (lucky guns, lucky germs, lucky steel).  What is CB's over-arching answer?

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What does it mean to say that they have not discovered the wheel? Chioma

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What does it mean to say that they have not discovered the wheel? Chioma

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The European explorers had louder voices and bigger guns. So what they said, went. They felt Indigenous societies were not worthy of conservation, nor were their loss worth lamenting. The Europeans were seeking control, and they obtained it by any means necessary. I feel they did not view Indigenous people as humans, but rather some lowly beings that were beneath them. They took what they wanted and destroyed anything that stood in their way, without any humanity or compassion. They accused Indigenous people of being unrefined "savages", but in reality they treated them savagely.

The OG gaslighters! 😒

- Gabie

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Black's response is even more repulsive in my opinion because he emphasizes the primitiveness of Indigenous societies instead of solely highlighting the "accomplishments" of the Europeans.

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I had NOT noticed this.  Okay, are there significant differences between Diamond and CB?

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I had NOT noticed this.  Okay, are there significant differences between Diamond and CB?

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Black is literally making the same argument as Diamond. With the mention of heavy artillery, European diseases, and smelting.

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true, we learn quite a bit about the European settlers; notice that CB also has a lot to say about the First Peoples

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true, we learn quite a bit about the European settlers; notice that CB also has a lot to say about the First Peoples

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this is an answer to the big question, I think

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this is an answer to the big question, I think

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There are many factors that lead most Indigenous people (addressing in this book as Indians) such as depression holly caused by the European’s intervention on their known culture

Adama

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Canada has been good at covering up its past.  Excellent propaganda.  This is how the world sees us.  (Beatrice)

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Canada has been good at covering up its past.  Excellent propaganda.  This is how the world sees us.  (Beatrice)

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I don't like this in the elast, it seems like general excuses rather than an unbiased look

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Black attempts to explain through loaded language that the Europeans were an industrious and hardy people who were more innovative than the “primitive” Indigenous peoples. Specifically, the gentle British “settlers” in comparison to the manipulative French “settlers”.

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Can we infer how Conrad Black would answer this question?:  Why did the West "win" in Canada? 

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Can we infer how Conrad Black would answer this question?:  Why did the West "win" in Canada? 

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Big idea of the excerpts is know the early European settlements in Canada.

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Do we know more than we did in 2014?  If so, would we have responded differently?

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Do we know more than we did in 2014?  If so, would we have responded differently?

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What is the big idea in this excerpt from Conrad Black's book?

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What is the big idea in this excerpt from Conrad Black's book?