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Nice chat

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I agree

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great conversation.

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maybe it was because the letters wasn't only for the nephew and son, they both spoke about black young males around america.

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In their letters they use strategies such as repetition, alludes to the reader, and uses anecdotes.

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To me Baldwin understand that we cant fight fire with fire. He wants those who are being discriminated to fight in a nonviolent way which I definitely agree with. I do think he should also take into consideration that we shouldn't "forgive" them, that they should understand their wrong.

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Countrymen as in white people. Baldwin doesnt say white or caucasian he calls them countrymen

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Why do you think these author's wrote letters rather than face to face?

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great question.

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Can you clarify what you mean, do you mean that they should forgive these "countrymen"?

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He wrote up his letter five times because he kept seeing his father and brother in his sons face.

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I have a question for the both of you, do you think what Baldwin said was correct?

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Baldwin calls the countrymen "innocents"

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I agree with you Adan.

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A question I also had about Baldwin's letter is that Baldwin states he ripped and tore and reworte his letter five times why is that?

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old ways

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I agree with you Adan.

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I would say because he still wants to label them as "innocents" and that they only know hate

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"Either I can beat him, or the police"

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Yeah thats powerful

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Because the message Baldwin wanted to get to his nephew was that to not live in hate towards the whit community and that he should show them forgiveness because they are stuck in their own ways.

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Coates was disciplined by his parents so that they could protect him from the hate.

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How has Coates experience with his parents influenced his relationship with his son?

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Because Coastes says how as a child he was raised in fear because that's how his parents raised him because they were scared for him and he doesn't want his son to be the same he wants him to be fearless.

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a question a had in mind towards Baldwin was, towards the end of the letter, why did Baldwin decide to say that whites were only doing what they were taught (slavery), he says whites were traumatized and they needed to be forgiven.

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Yeah i agree

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Coates an aggressive

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Coastes says he didn't want to comfort his son while Baldwin did and this due to the timing that Baldwin just lost his close friends Malcolm-X and Martin Luther King

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Yeah Coates wanted his son to know how to navigate in this world as a black man

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i say baldwin uses a passive tone

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Coates used an aggressive tone and Baldwin used a more forgiving tone

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Like tone

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Coates seemed to be focused on police brutality throughout his letter, Baldwin seemed to focus on his experience with people towards blacks

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and how they expressed what they were focused on.

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a difference i noticed is what they were focused on

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Masculinity is a very key idea in Baldwin and Coates message.

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Especially in Coates he says to his son "you are growing into conscious, and my wish for you is that you feel no need to constrict yourself to make other people comfortable"

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I agree, theres a difference between how black women and black men face racism and discrimination in America.

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What do you mean by "tough"? Please elaborate

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my evidence... Baldwin, "with a very definite tendency to sound truculent because you want no one to think you are soft"....

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Is there a reason they decided to talk to young black males?

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Some differences between the two is how they relayed their message, I think they decided to talk to young male because they know more about what it's like as a young black male then a young black female, he knows more about the problems and risks as a young black male.

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also, they both acknowledged that their audience was tough. (nephew and son)

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What evidence do you have so far?

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What are the similarities between the two?

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a similarity between the two is they both decided to address to young black males in their letters

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Alright so I think that some similarities and differences that Baldwin and Coates have within their letters is that both authors each give their own perspective on navigating society as a person of colored, they both also talk to young black males who are in their family.

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guys?

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yeah

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