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One thing we have usefully brought out is that there are relations of authority in both home and school. That is also a way to open to both Plato and Freire.

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Is imitation so bad?  While this paragraph sounds kind of brutal, in a lot of ways it's usefully true.  Even when I wrote a dissertation as a grad student, I was still learning how to do a certain kind of writing, which means I started by imitating other academic writing.  A lot of what I end up teaching you all in this class is how to write in an academic genre.   I sincerely hope you do interesting things with it, but sure, the element of imitation is there. This seems like something where Socrates says yeah, of course, what else could education be, and Freire gets unhappy.

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Whether it's the change of authority figures (parents v. teachers) or something else, the conformity that Rodriguez is both personally and socially pressured into is centered around the want to distance himself from his culture/parents (shame?) and to broaden his knowledge by becoming engrossed in books and knowledge.

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Does RR ever complain about his education?

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HE IS A NERD WHO LOVES BOOKS

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can you find a way to open both parts of your separate lives in a meaningful and clearly less damaging form. that does not have long term effect on your outlook through the phases of your life.

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Rodriguez has two worlds he travels between on a daily basis. The differences between his school life and home life are more drastic than the differences in the lives of students with an American family who speaks English as their first language. I wonder if these differences are exacerbated the more your family's norms differ from the norms taught in the school you attend?

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Only moderately

intelligent, I was highly ambitious, eager, desperate for the goal of becoming "educated" (240)

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why is he so negative on his outlook when it comes to his childhood as well as his view on his family.

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 The scholarship boy reaches a different conclusion. He cannot afford to admire his parents. (How could he and still pursue such a contrary life?) He permits himself embarrassment at their lack of education (242)

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 The scholarship boy reaches a different conclusion. He cannot afford to admire his parents. (How could he and still pursue such a contrary life?) He permits himself embarrassment at their lack of education (242)

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Is there a way to balance your home life and education so that you feel included in both areas? Do you have to lose one in order to succeed in the other?

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What else can we say about his relations with his parents?

And what exactly makes him different from his siblings?

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"For Romantics, this doesn't make working-class life chil- dish. Rather, it becomes challenging just because it is an adult way of life" (242)

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"For Romantics, this doesn't make working-class life chil- dish. Rather, it becomes challenging just because it is an adult way of life" (242)

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"But he would not be so bad - nor would he become so successful - if he did not accurately perceive that the truer synonym for "education" is not "learning" but "imitation." And that education is mainly a long, unglamorous, and even demeaning process of acquiring skills and habits of mind-a nurturing never natural to the persons we were once, before first entering the classroom." (251)

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"The scholarship boy pleases most when he is young. To teachers, he offers great satisfaction; his success is their proudest achievement." (p. 249)

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"Lavish emotions texture home life. Then at school, the instruction is to use reason primarily." p.242.

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"Lavish emotions texture home life. Then at school, the instruction is to use reason primarily." p.242.

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"And to evade nostalgia for the life he has lost, he concentrates on the benefits education will give him". (page 242)

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It was hard to find a picture where he looks happy.

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“Here is a child haunted by the knowledge that one chooses to be a student” (Rodriguez, page 242)

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"Always successful. Always unconfident.

Exhilerated by my progress. Yet sad. Anxious and eager to learn-the prized student. Too ambitious, too eager -an imitative and unoriginal pupil." (240)

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“There never seemed enough time in the day to learn--to memorize– all that I wanted to know” (Rodriguez, 3).

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"They too learn by imitation. They develop the skill of memory long before they become truly critical thinkers. And when they read Plato for the first several times, it is with awe rather than a deep comprehension." (251)

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"The primary reason for my success in the classroom was that I couldn't forget that schooling was changing me, and separating me from the life I had enjoyed before becoming a student." (240)