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Athens- And of course the numerous influential works of art, histories, plays, fine music, and architecture produced in Athens could never be replicated by Sparta in the same way.

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Athens- Athens' form of government, combined with its culture, was truly an incredible thing.  The laws that were passed through the direct democracy were then carried out through officials in their council of five hundred.  Every citizen had a chance to participate in this council because members were chosen by lot. This required citizens to make sure they were aware of as much as possible about the affairs in their city.  Compare that to today's majority of uninformed citizens in the U.S. that have brought us to the mess of our current presidential elections. Yes, a direct democracy could never work with the huge size of the U.S., or most other large countries for that matter, but in this context in this time period, with the much smaller amount of citizens, it worked supremely well for Athens.

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(Roo's 5th point)
You seem to have forgotten that we aren't supposed to include the aftermath of any wars in our debate.  Your point is moot.

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(Against Roo's 4th point)
Technically, the mother wouldn't always be proud of her son if he came back alive.  She would be proud if he came back WITH his shield. If he didn't that would mean he deserted battle (because the shield was too heavy to carry while running away). So really, when her son returned, the mother would be more focused on seeing that he had his shield with him rather than his own well-being.  How loving.  People in Athens, on the other hand, valued a human life much more. With their system of free democracy, they had "many schools where teachers with much knowledge [instructed their] young people," according to "The Real Source of Athens' Greatness."

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(Against 2nd point and point above)
Athens- Wow, the disregard for the value of a human life. To Sparta, people must just be expendable pieces of meat for war. I mean, they literally weren't allowed to enjoy anything either.  According to "A School for Conquest," "Spartans were not allowed to have any kind of luxury or pleasure for fear that it would make them soft."

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(Against Roo's third point)
Athens- How could a society function if it's just to carry out the wishes of the few? What's the significance of being a citizen if not to share your opinion? The direct democracy in Athens was the best form of government between the two. The oligarchy in Sparta was horrible in comparison.  According to "A School for Conquest," the five rulers that made up the oligarchy "could criticize anyone in Sparta, even a king, and they tried to control the minds of the people so that they would always obey their rulers' commands." The people weren't even their own people, just beings that carried out the wishes of potentially abusive leaders.

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Sparta- Sparta's valued the women as they were necessary to raise the future generations of soldiers. Sure, some babies were killed at birth but Sparta only needed strength, any weakness would drag us down.

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(Against Roo's first point
Athens- Only the strong may have been able to live, but think about how that came to be.  Sickly babies were left on mountainsides to die.  Not only that, but infanticide, common in both city-states, was especially prevalent for female babies in Sparta because they were seen as weak and inferior.

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Sparta- Sparta also claimed victory in the Peloponnesian War after a costly mistake but Pericle in building a wall trapping all its people in a clouds of Malaria, killing off 25% of its people.

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Sparta- Spartan are so proud of their way of life, the life of war, that whether a mother gets her son back dead or alive she is proud for she knows he emerges victorious or died fighting for Sparta.

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Sparta was ruled by an Oligarchy of five men who were chosen yearly by all the men of Sparta. These men had almost complete control over Sparta, including insuring all orders by leaders were obeyed.

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Sparta- Women at home away from war receive strenuous physical training allowing them to be healthy mothers to future soldiers. Mothers are the necessary for raising soldiers until they are old enough for war.

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Sparta- The people of people are all strong, physically-fit people. There is no sick or weak people, only the strong are permitted to live. Physical training and military discipline for both men and women insured prosperity's and order for Spartan society.