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Vd^

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I felt that the creature was an essential part to the story because although it would’ve been good to have killed him far back, if he would’ve been killed then Victor wouldn’t have realized how much damage he caused to himself and to people and Victor wouldn’t have taught Walton that knowledge is truly bad if you seek too much of it. Many happy things would’ve happened if he got killed earlier but this whole battle between Victor and the creature was what kept us readers in suspense. X.C

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Instead of killing the monster, Victor should have attempted to guide the monster through and teach him rather than showing hate. However, if he killed the monster, he wouldn’t understand the mistakes he made in wanting to create something exceptional, in which he isolated himself and lost his sanity. It also would be incorrect for Victor to kill the monster as he was the creator.  Another note is that the monster is very powerful which also could have been a reason Victor couldn’t kill the creature. A.J.

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-m.o

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The obvious outcome that would have happened if Victor had taken more action/responsibilities with the creature would be his loved ones having not being killed by the creature since Victor would have calmed down the creature by taking care of what he created as its parent. This would lead to the monster have morals and not having killed people and Victor would have lived longer than he did. I don’t think Victor should have killed the creature but instead should have taken care of the creature and shouldn’t have abandoned it right after having created it. That would’ve prevented the creature from going through the bad experiences it went through with humans who tried harming him and had a great effect on his personality and intentions.

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Killing the monster definitely would have fit in his favor, with out the creature all his loved ones could have been lived and he could have had a happy life with Elizabeth and possible children. The outcome definitely would have been different, creating the creature had sealed his fate. If he didn’t create it at all it would have been better. But he had missed his shot to kill it. -C.O

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I think that Victor should have killed the creature earlier on. Killing the creature after he realized that it didn’t turn out the way he wanted would have prevented the deaths of William, Justine, Elizabeth, Clerval, Victor’s father, and Victor himself. Killing the creature would have also prevented the hardships that Victor’s family went through, and Victor would have never become depressed and isolated in fear and guilt. EH

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The way that Mary Shelly portrayed the story is by placing it in a situation that involved views based on society and through social interactions. In the story she informs us on gender equality and how women were treated poorly based on current situations etc. -D.H

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Did Victor really “get a chance” to kill the creature or simply a chance to turn back from his ambitions? (EB)

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Krishna Tewari
Mary’s shell portrays society as one dimensional and selfish and these characteristics can be derived from the whole story that was from the perspective as victor. The whole creation of the monster was the fact that victor didnt care about society and the affects the monster would have on society. The feminist point of view was briefly mentioned as all of the female characters die and none of their wishes were honored and their perspectives weren’t heard of in the story.

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The whole story is a portrayal of societal and social views. The base of the story is how a person (the monster) can be darkened and corrupted by mistreatment based off of judging their appearance. The monster turned out to be an intelligent heartfelt being who just wanted companionship and purpose but the constant rejection turned it into a monster. This theme can be applied to all sorts of prejudices whether it be racism, sexism, homophobia or any other judgement based off of what someone is and not who they are. —DW

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Mary Shelley also portrays the social disconnect and differences from people with different nationalities and cultures. When Safie joins the De Lacey family, she knows very little of the De Lacey’s language and social views of the area. “The prospect of marrying a Christian and remaining in a country where women were allowed to take a rank in society was enchanting to her”. This scene acknowledges the differences of social and economic classes, and cultural social divides as well. This type of diversity is also seen in the creature. Victor’s creation is shunned by the population, and has to learn it own way around the native language and social cues.
- Andrew

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Shelley portrayed that women were viewed as unimportant, helpless, and treated unfairly. Time and time again women are put into bad situations, and weren’t acknowledged as unimportant. Compared to men, women were not really respected or treated as humanely. -K.D

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With in the book Shelley adds instances of the real world. The gender equality of men and women, when Justine had her trial she wasn’t able to defend herself. The death of William was because of the creature but Justine had to take the fall. Adding to that the women of the story are treated unfairly or die and fall because they take the (philosophical) ‘bullet’ for the men. The social statues of rich and the poor, she showed this with details like where Elizabeth was adopted from and how she was described in general. Also judgement, the creature was judged for how he was seen instead of how it is as a ‘person’. This ultimately helped lead to its downfall. Elizabeth was also judged because of statues connecting both. -C.O

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Question 3:
All of the women in the book are portrayed as being victims of circumstance; Catherine died ill after saving her daughter, Justine was condemned to death due to circumstantial evidence, Agatha and the Arabian woman either fainted or ran, which portray weakness in a sense, and Elizabeth was killed directly by the monster as well. This reflects the struggles that women faced during that time period.

Another point to be made is the isolation and rejection that society can create in people. The De Lacy family, themselves outcasts, rejected the appearance of the monster. Even Walton felt abhorrent towards the monster when he first saw it. Victor isolated himself from society as well, which shows the idea of it both ways.
-Andre

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I feel that in a way in the time she was living in or through experiences, she used those to influence her writing. I feel that maybe she was sending a message to show and tell the world that women weren’t maybe as important or seen as great and the fact that her book was influenced by her husband because even though she revised it there was stilll a few things that related to her husband. Also with the women in the story they suffered a lot more than the men and they weren’t as important as the male characters were, including that the first women that appeared was Victors mom (I think) and she was the first one to die and then the other women that died were innocent but I feel that in her reality women weren’t seen as great as men. X.C

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I think that no matter what choice victor would have made, the outcomes probably would not have been very different from eachother. Although killing the creature would have ended much of the bloodshed,  the effects of cresting the creature will last with victor forever. His guilt and shame of creating an putting his creation through such misery will be with him forever, along with the grief of losing Elizabeth and his little brother to his mistakes. Which is why I do not believe that killing the monster is when he could have would have subsided victors pain.

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Yes the monster hated his life because Victor brought him to life. He didn’t want to be alive and be this deformed person in that time period. His life was not a life, he was living in pain everyday he was alive. No one accepted him or wanted him. The DeLacy family and Victor’s abandonment ruined the monster and his chance of happiness p.

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-VD^

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Mary Shelley portrays social views in her novel through the female characters and their experiences. Justine is blamed for something that Victor had caused and despite lack of evidence, she is condemned. On the other hand, Victor is proven innocent of clerval’s death despite a lot of evidence against him. Mary Shelley uses these characters to show how females were thought of during this time and how the men had more of an advantage with more power and support. EH

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In the book it had showed that any type of diversity from the average man was shunned from society completely. Whether it be woman’s rights or people who look different or are considered “ugly”, it was shown as being immediate how people’s opinions had taken basic freedoms one should have.
Julia

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I think Mary Shelley has written this book in things and emotions that she has seen or been through. Olivia

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I think If Victor had actually taken responsibility for his actions, and responsibility for how he created the creature and had actually taken the time to love the creature and teach him about life, then he would never had had to kill the creature. I think all the creature needed was a friend, and if Victor had taken responsibility for that, the creature wouldn’t have been so angry at life and at Victor- RA

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^olivia

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I think that the creature has more responsibility because he killed with the action however Victor should be held accountable for creating the creature.
-Colin

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Neither Victor nor the creation is truly more evil than the other. Both initially had a good intention or good purpose, as Victor wanted to understand the world’s secrets and “Dougy” was created to further science and create a new race, both underwent different types of isolation or rejection that built in each other. Victor’s initial revulsion after awakening the creature, combined with other rejection from literally everyone else, turned it against the world and set it apart from all natural nature. Victor set himself apart from the rest of humanity by shutting out his friends and family for years at a time. Once the murders begin, Victor starts to realize and feel the guilt he has. He talks about how he should declare himself guilty with Justine’s punishment, as he created the murderer himself. By being outright separated or by separating themselves, Victor and the creature start to become similar characters, driven towards hate and revenge for the actions that both characters chose to make.
- Andrew D

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Victor had ultimately been the creator of evil and the epitome of it. It doesn’t matter that he had good intentions for the monster, he did it for his want of fame and glory. Victor had banished the creature becuase he simply didn’t want it and put it out on its own,  which had only made the whole situation worse. Victor was the one who was in control of the whole situation, and did nothing to stop it. Yes, the monster did wrong, but none of it wouldn’t have happened if Victor hadn’t created the monster in the first place.
Julia

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Question 2: There are obviously many parrellels between the two characters, but that doesn’t mean that the two characters reach the same degree of malice. Victor can be seen as more evil, mainly due to the sympathy one may have for the monster. Victor may also be portrayed as more evil because he, as a human with a wonderful upbringing, did some terrible things regarding the monster. -Andre

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I believe Victor is more evil because the monster would never have been here if it was not for Victor. The monster just wanted to be happy and wanted to be accepted like with the DeLacy family. But society rejected him all because of Victor. And the monster was also abandoned, he felt no love and compassion. The monster had uncontrollable anger but he also felt sad that he killed. He had no control , and if Victor was there for him, he could have learned to accept his deformityy.

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Over and over Mary Shelly portrays helpless, accepting, and oblivious women who’s lives are in one way or another, ruled by men. Their fates are almost always tied to a man’s decisions and even when their fates are not directly tied to a man, they almost always, if ever, had no say in their fate. (EB)

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Although the monster and Victor did commit different crimes initially, it is truly so hard to say that they are not the same person towards the end, mirroring each other’s acts of hate. They both become vengeful, resentful, and full of hatred towards the other that it leads them both to commit terrible acts towards one another, and in the creatures case towards the people closest to victor. Although the monster is essentially the only one ending lives and doing the murdering, i feel as though Victor is still just as guilty for taking every hope for happiness in the monsters life, which is just the same as taking someone’s life away. -Alyssa W

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I think that the monster was more evil because the monster carried out all of the murders, yet victor should still be accountable for his creation but I think he is less at fault because he did not directly kill them. J.S

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Once other lives were at risk, Victor and Walton begin to make sense of their situations. Both were willing to die for their studies, and Victor nearly destroyed himself in the process. When Victor’s family died, and Walton’s crew started to beg him to turn back, both realized that their entire operations were larger than themselves, largely affecting other people. - Andrew D

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I feel that they become the same person because at the beginning I feel they were both looking for good but due to some events they both ended having evil in their hearts that led them to just searching for revenge. This also reminds me of when the creature brings up that God made Adam and made him beautiful and to his image but in the case of Victor he made the creature to his image but a bad version of himself. I feel he’s sort of saying that Victor made himself but a bad version of himself and that’s why he (Victor) doesn’t like the creature because the creature is a reflection of himself and his darker parts. X.C

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I think that Victor and the creature become one in the same person towards the end of the novel. In the beginning of Frankenstein they are their own distinctive characters, but they eventually become the same person being driven by the single need for revenge. The creature is rejected by society and seeks revenge on his creator while Victor seeks revenge on the creature for killing those that he loves. and though while the creature is the one that does the killing, Victor is still responsible for creating the monster and then abandoning it. EH

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Although Victor technically didn't kill anyone himself, he did cause the creature to kill everyone that Victor cared about so I would say they became the same person. The creature was filled with revenge and just wanted to hurt Victor; later on in the story Victor also become filled with revenge and wants to kill the creature. (Y.B)

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I don’t think they are necessarily evil or anything. They started off innocent and things just got taken too far. Then again they both had the potential to do great but ultimately made the decisions they made. At some point they can blame others for their actions but at the end of the day they made their own decisions. It’s hard to be on ones side because Victor was the creator and alot of events wouldn’t have happened if he never made the creature in the first place. -K.U

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I think victor and the creature sort of become the same because at the end, they both own up to what happened and admit that they are at fault. However, they both sort return the blame back on each other, for example the creature acknowledges how his actions were wrong, but blames victor essentially for leaving him, and not giving him the attention and companionship he desired (which is why he then killed).-Vicki

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I think Victor and Frankenstein are both the same person sort of since Victor created the monster the way he wanted to but Frankenstein is the more evil of the two. Victor was just too scared to confess for his actions in having created the monster that was killing people and really didn’t have any bad intentions. He just ran away from his problems and wanted to forget about the monster. The monster insisted on getting love from Victor but Victor refused. The monster was good then but then became evil and had very bad intentions after getting hate from other humans who would try harming him. The monster was mad at all humans and wanted to kill all of them . C.R

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They are a shadow of eachother  in an essence, this is so because even though they are written as two characters they are the same being together. As for example the creature is innocent (like Adam) then Victor is portrayed as evil (Like Satan), this role changes multiple times. Their crimes ultimately on both sides add up and they are different but the same. Victor isn’t more evil then the creature nor the other way around. They both go through the same emotions in instances and end together with guilt and their death. -C.O

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I think Victor became more evil at the end, even though he didn’t technically kill anyone himself. He was the first one to hurt the creature emotionally, then later on he knows that he is responsible for creating the creature that has killed some people, but takes his time to actually take responsibility for his own sake. Victor knew everything the creature wanted and he used that against him to hurt him even more in the end, he had the desire to kill the creature, and he was overall really selfish with his actions. -K.D

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Something else to keep in mind is that the creature was treated horribly by Victor, who was his creator, and by the rest of society. It cannot be said that Victor was evil for creating a monster but the part that does deem his as evil is because he rejected and abandoned the creature. As a result, the creature does not have anyone to be guided by and does not know any better so he seeks revenge. A.J.

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Notice the difference between Victor Trying to play God, and Walton simply taking on a perilous excursion in an attempt to discover something already existing. (EB) (also the 10th one is also mine)

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I believe that victor is the most evil character of the story this is so because he has devoted tons of time to creating this creature but has not devoted time for caring for it. Also I believe that victor had the most influence on the monster and how he has learned to live his life. Victor was nothing but mean and evil tohis  creature which caused the monster to have nothing but anger and passion like victor has to him.

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By the end of the novel both the creature and Victor had become one and the same person. They had both been through similar things, they went through misery, anger, and they were both so overcome with feeling of revenge that they were united through their want for revenge. They are also similar in the way that they blamed their actions and the things that happened to them on other people. Victor blamed all the things that happened to him as fate, and he doesn’t really take responsibility for any of his actions until the end when all his friends were dead, and then he said it was his fault for creating the creature. Th ecreature blames his misery on the way that other people treat him, and the way that it’s Victor fault for abandoning him, while at the end he says that his misery was more than Victor’s. -RA

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Originally Victor also wanted to have fame and glory, but his creation ended up making him really ill and obsessed to the point that he stayed away from his family for a while, and went to jail. Once Walton heard Victors story he realized that fame and glory isn't worth risking everything. If something didn't go Waltons way he could have easily become insane the same way that Victor did. (Yousra)

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I think Walton gave up because he learned from Victor's story, that fame and glory is not worth dieing  for and he realizes this and he ends his journey early to avoid all of this. J.S

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In the story, Mary Shelley portrays women in blatantly unfair situations brought about by men. This seen when Safie and her family are forced to suffer for her father’s missteps, in the way Elizabeth’s mental and physical health are majorly affected by Victor, and of course, Justine unfair execution. By portraying these situations as obviously unfair as they are, Mary Shelley is able to draw parallels between the world she was living in at the time, and advocate for how unjust it was. Or something...
-McEthan

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I think at the end of the story, the monster and Victor had become the same person. Even though the monster had committed murder, Victor had made it by abhorrent morals. Basically, the monster is kinda but not really justified in its murders, but Victor had taught himself his own morals, which both committed horrendous actions and created a serial killers

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Walton saw how this obsession can ruin someone like Victor so he made a choice of what’s more important to him. What’s fame and glory when you’re not a healthy person. -K.U

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Because the creature has less control over its actions and does not have natural human qualities, one can infer that the creature is less at fault when it comes to seeking revenge. Victor created the monster with selfish intentions, and the revenge he sought was not justified because the creature was his creation. Victor shouldn’t feel a deep hatred for the creature because in the end, he was the sole creator and cannot logically blame a creature for its actions that it cannot control.
-M.O

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Walton’s want for glory was changed after he had witnessed how Victor had concluded his life because of the same situation of wanting glory. When seeing this with his own eyes instead of just hearing about this was able to make sure Walton wasn’t able to turn a blind eye.  C.O

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I think Walton gave up because he realized it was too dangerous and really wasn’t worth it. He wanted fame so bad that he almost risked his life but however decided to stop after victor died trying to complete him goal.
BC

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I think that Walton listening to Victor’s story and seeing the extent of how far Victor had gone caused Walton to question what he was doing and how it could affect the people around him. Continuing on with the journey could have caused the death of Walton as well as the deaths of the crew members. Victor didn’t know when to stop while Walton was more realistic and understood his own limits and the limits of others. EH

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Olivia- The point in which these two situations take over one or the other is when the magi iTunes U of what you are willing to sacrifice is worth the fame or so called glory that the person wants. The point at which sanity overrides the want for fame and glory is finding where these two things cross over. Like in Walton’s case he has reached the point where sanity has overtaken the importance of fame and glory for him.

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I think that Waltons sanity overruled his want for fame and glory after he realized that this mission and voyage could lead to the damaging of the well being of not only himself and his crew but to those around them as well. Although his mission to find that northwest passage through the Arctic was not nearly as insane as victors desire to create an entirely new race, I feel as though after Walton sees the risks that his pursuit of scientific discovery could potentially hold, after hearing about victors fatal mistakes and misfortunes in creating the monster. -Alyssa W

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Sanity overrules fame and glory when instinct tells one to. When one is causing harm to others or to oneself then that is totally the point where it overrides fame and glory. Victor went really far with fame and glory where the point to where he died because of him trying to chase fame and glory and also because of him wanting to go back and not have anything to do with the monster he had created. C.R

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I had already considered that sanity is hard to draw a line for when put up against ambition, but I hadn’t considered how different ambitions that are severely important would also influence where the line is drawn in a situation. What I had only considered prior to this discussion was the line drawn after one’s ambition is cut down only after others than those aspiring towards that ambition are negatively affected or threatened.

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Personally I believe that Victor would be considered more “evil”. I say this because Victor was corrupted by his thirst for knowledge and his ambitions but the monster was corrupted by his own environment including people around him and even Victor himself. Which causesd him to become a murder.- D.H

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Krishna Tewari
They are the same person in the sense that the monster is victor’s dark side. Victor is the creator and his actions towards the monsters turning savage and killing multiple people. In all of the instances the monster had to kill people because he was betrayed by Victor. When he was killing the people the monster has no mental knowledge that could distinguish between right or wrong. Plus if we go by the view point of people being a blank slate then the first experience the monster had in life was violence and death thus he is justified for killing.

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I think Walton decided to turn around when Victor died because then he was “alone” again and saw that people were getting restless so he gave up.   I.C.

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I think hearing from somebody like yourself, who wanted the same things as you (victor wanted the fame like Walton did) that they tried and failed. After hearing victor’s story, Walton decides to go leave the arctic and return home because he realized that embarking on some mission, solely for the glory, would be self destructive.-Vicki P.

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Walton’s sanity started to overrule fame and glory after Victor was barely able to tell him the dangers of knowledge and how it had him in the end. He died, and Walton then realized that if ending up like Victor is what would happen to him in the long run, then he rather return home to England. -K.D

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Basically, the group generally agrees that self-preservation will kick in, and override the desire for fame and glory, if the pursuit of it takes more than it promises to give.
-McEthan

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Walton’s sanity and values overrule fame when he agrees to return back to England based on the well being of his crew. He realizes that it is dangerous to continue the journey, and his desire for fame does not override his instinct to do what is morally right.
-M.O

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Fame is glory is worth nothing unless someone is healthy (both physically and psychologically) to understand they are famous. I think that Walton’s decision to turn back to England(?) was the instant he realized the people and even himself wouldn’t be able to acquire that accomplishment. I think overall, unless circumstances aren’t able to let you see the end results, the wanting of fame and glory will overrule anything S.A

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Walton’s desire for fame and glory were overcome by sanity and common sense because while he really wanted fame and glory, if he continued on his journey everyone with him would die, and all of his sailors wanted to turn back. Walton then realized that he couldn’t keep going and ask his people to go with him when they did not want to go with him, and wanted to head back. Walton was also overcome by sanity when he saw what had happened to Victor and how he followed his ambitions, and everything went wrong.- R.A

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I really like the question, and my thought was that Walton finally comes to his senses after he experiences the death of Victor because he considered Victor his one truly friend and they really trusted each other and after dying the relationship they had just kind of died and Walton went back to being lonely without having that closeness with someone. He also “woke up” even more after the talk with the creature, it’s when reality comes up even more and he just gets hit and remembers what Victor said and he knows that he better get his life back together and actually think about his actions. X.C

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