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Remember what happened during the levels of Lockdown 😂

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yeah I guess it would be a problem

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Having a limit would cause real problems . People would probably even send the organisation to court .

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But now doesn’t that create a problem? You know those “this is a free country “ talks and they are true I guess 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Will then having a limit on what a person can drink will be effective or create a sense of violation of rights

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You’re honestly bringing I something I didn’t even think about 🤣 the community that’ll have to deal with the person

OMG I COMPLETELY agree  with you

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@Angie❤️  what you are saying is really true i feel like this only applies in the shebeens and when these people are released into the community they could still be violent . So it wouldn't really solve the problem but just give that person an opportunity to go start bigger conflict . I feel like it would only protect the shebeens but at the expense of the community having to deal with that individual .

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Exactly. So I genuinely think it should be “safer shabeens” father than “safe”....🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Yes I agree 100%

But doesn’t he being asked to leave now even solve the problem or just postpone it for another day? Because  it’s not like you’re banned from the shabeen right? So like your reaction to alcohol today will be your reaction to alcohol tomorrow unless you yourself  decide that “okay this is my limit and after this point I start becoming violent so I just stop now”

I just think there’s just so much free will at play here and free will and control don’t go hand in hand you know? They never will. So I really think that the context of “safe” here should be more with regards to control than prevention

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I also agree that its hard to prevent violence and the approach of intervening is more approachable
I think this plan is an eye opener to all shabeens to create a controlled environment which could include hiring guards
I also think they can implement the rules and when people break them they can be consequences like being asked to leave

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Yeah true. I just feel like it doesn’t actually work because It’s just a matter of control than prevention...I honestly think you can’t prevent something that’s dictated by an uncontrollable reactions. Like you can never predict how a person will react according to alcohol unless you’ve experienced it first hand.
I really think the “safe” sharp ups be referenced in lore of a control type
If manner than a prevention...because you can’t prevent unless if you know how alcohol treats the person you know?

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But do you think this actually works some people cause violence in shabeens and it's not even noticed.
I agree with the fact that this might be more of controling the environment than a prevention plan . And I  feel like there would be a better understanding of the article gave a little more detail

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Ma'am I added all these comments from WhatsApp here . it would make sending the engagement easier

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I really don't think it is possible to make sure that there is no violence at all in Shabeens I mean are there people guarding the shebaeens or ?
I feel like you cannot really control a person once they are under the influence of alcohol there is no telling what they would do or say.

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But is it even possible to make sure that people are 100% safe in shabeens? Like I genuinely think that there’s no way of telling how a person reacts when they have alcohol in their system until you see them have that. So a safe shebeen doesn’t exist until unsafe behaviour is observed within the shabeen you know?
So I’d really say that what makes a safe shabeen safe is that they control a violent situation, not prevent. Im just thinking that rules don’t mean anything to a drunk person, that’s why people drink and drive 🤷🏽‍♀️

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i mean what actually happens? do they take the drunkards out and isn't there a sense of violence in that ,like what type of measures to they take to make sure that these people are actually safe

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That was exactly my question because there is nothing in the article that mentions how they really do that i feel like it not really capturing anything.

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But now my question is how do they prevent violence? Like you can’t tell when a person walks in that this person is a drunkard that gets violent you know? There are those calm ones and all... so it is really prevention or just control?