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The green light symbolized Gatsby's goal as the one he loved(Daisy)lied just beyond his reach. A perfect example of this is when Nick first sees Gatsby as he is reaching is arms out to the bay towards East Egg to where Daisy lived with a form of yearning is his actions. This would be the goal that Gatsby couldn't reach as Daisy will still be with Tom even after everything he'd done for her and he would die knowing that he failed.

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The symbolism of the green light is more of an idea of Daisy rather than her as a person. This is because they all were trying to display their money to maintain social class and when Gatsby died, no one came to his funeral kind of showing how all of the guests were another way of seeing if Daisy was around or even another way of presenting the wealth that he had. All of the points regarding Daisy's money representing the light is mainly because it was located on the edge of her dock and of course it was green.

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The comparison between moths and Gatsby 

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The comparison between moths and Gatsby 

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I thought this was a very good comparison between a moth and Gatsby. A moth is attractive to light and will do anything to get to the light. Same as Gatsby. Gatsby was attractive to Daisy and did anything to get to her. He would risk everything and hurt in order to have Daisy.

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Time is an interesting focal point as it is a never-ending flow that can't be blocked or altered. Gatsby said you can repeat the past, but everyone knows that it cannot be because time is a never-ending subject that can't be reversed or sped forward. Gatsby believes that he has all the time in the world but, later he realizes that his time is cut short due to being shot, and the realization that time is never on your side is expanded upon. Gatsby who is believed to be higher than life falls short of his ultimate goal and falls into a downward spiral that leads to his death, and brings him back down to earth in his final seconds which allows him to come to terms with reality.    

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Time is an interesting focal point as it is a never-ending flow that can't be blocked or altered. Gatsby said you can repeat the past, but everyone knows that it cannot be because time is a never-ending subject that can't be reversed or sped forward. Gatsby believes that he has all the time in the world but, later he realizes that his time is cut short due to being shot, and the realization that time is never on your side is expanded upon. Gatsby who is believed to be higher than life falls short of his ultimate goal and falls into a downward spiral that leads to his death, and brings him back down to earth in his final seconds which allows him to come to terms with reality.    

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Time as a point of interest

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Time plays a seemingly marginal but highly integral role in the novel, especially for Gatsby. The progression of time from Gatsby's humble beginnings to the twenties highlights the changes in his morality and in his wallet. While his money did increase, it is very apparent that his values and his morality did not. Even at his peak (which is during the course of the novel), us viewers can see Gatsby's weaker morals devolve further and further in to selfishness and his own self intrest, such as when Gatsby uses his only real friend that us viewers know about, Nick, in order to get Daisy back for himself. Time is represented as being a delicate thing, especially in the scene in which Gatsby walks into the clock and has to quickly catch said clock. This delicacey however, is exemplified in Gatsby and Daisy's pre-war relationship and how it changed all in a short amount of time. Gatsby only went to war for about a month, and in that time his relationship with Daisy, that took and incredible amount of effort to mold, shatter in front of him when he comes back to see that his presumably future wife, had been married to a richer man and is already on her honeymoon; Daisy's morals changed so drastically over a short period of time. In short, the Great Gatsby highlights the delicacey of time and how over an extremely long or extremely short period of time, morals and fortunes can change so drastically.

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Gatsby only became friends with Nick to himself closer to Daisy in the end. He continued to ask around to see who knew Daisy and Jordan most likely mentioned something about her and Nick being cousins. It seems like Gatsby didn't actually want to have any relationships with anyone because he really only threw the parties in an attempt of attracting Daisy's attention. He also digardeted Nick when Daisy was around or when he didn't need him for advice, a chance to get to Daisy, etc.

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Daisy acknowledges that a girl can only be so much in the time period she is living in. She says that she hopes her daughter is stupid because that's the only good she'll be able to do in this world. This is relevant because it shows how Daisy has been raised to think she can do nothing but sit still and look pretty, which is why she felt the need to marry a rich man like Tom. She could not marry Gatsby when he was nothing because she also saw herself as nothing, and she knew she needed money in order to become something, even if she percieved herself or was percieved as an object or a simple achievement in Tom's life. She chose to marry Tom because she knew the world would not support her love for Gatsby, as seen in the Patriarchy.

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I felt like Gatsby Hustled Nick for his power, in order to get closer to Daisy. While he invited Tom over so he could get him to invite him over to his house for dinner, but to also meet the man who's married to Daisy. Another point is when Gatsby pushed Daisy to admit to Tom that she never loved him. Even though that Daisy already didn't love Tom, but didn't want to say it in his face.

Gatsby was definitely portrayed as a man who comes from an illegal and poor background, with skills to use everything around him to get to places where he knows he shouldn't belong at.

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In this case, I wholeheartedly concur with the idea that time passed more slowly with Daisy than it did for Gatsby during the war. Daisy preferred this fast-paced lifestyle, whereas Gatsby wanted to slow down. When she sees Gatsby, she briefly slows down, but she soon loses interest and keeps going because she is only thinking about herself. Whereas Gatsby is only ever focused on Daisys wants and needs.

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People in the upper class struggle with time and like Izzy said people of the lower class use their time delicacy. Gatsby uses all of his time to get to Daisy and would use people. He didn't want a relationship or friendship with anyone else. He has used all of this time and his life flashed before his eyes. Nick, who is a part of the lower class, took the time to observe and took his time to listen and take everything in. He wouldn't waste a moment.

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Gatsby cannot let go of the past and what isn't actually there. He cannot bring himself to realize that he can't bring back something that was a long time ago. This is referring to the fact that Daisy has already moved on and married another man and Gatsby wants her to essentailly drop Tom and go with him. When Gatsby bumps into the clock it represents how he doesn't exactly understand that years have gone by and everything is not the same as it used to be. Since he was consistently thinking about Daisy, he did not realize how much time had actually passed. Another really important point is that for women to proceed in this society, they have to marry someone and Gatsby did not have that road blocker which is something he did not realize so Daisy was somewhat forced to move on.

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Gatsby cannot let go of and move on from this woman he met many years ago. this is shown from him buying a house across the bay from Daisy. He would host these parties solely to have the slight chance of seeing Daisy. Gatsby cannot leave this idea and thought of a woman he met many years ago, and he would completely ignore the fact that she has moved on. Daisy has a husband and child yet Gatsby completely ignores and chooses not to acknowledge that. He spends his entire life obsessed over a woman that had moved on and lived her life away from him. Yet, Gatsby could not understand or want to listen to that idea.

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This is a really fascinating question. I think presenting the novel's events through another character as the narrator brings perspective to the story that would've otherwise gone unnoticed. This also introduces the idea of Nick as an unreliable narrator. As the reader, we only see what Nick does. We know no more than he does, and he knows no more than us. This causes our perspective in the novel to be severely limited. Our views on characters are also limited. Since Nick is closest to Gatsby, we see the book coming from Nick's bias. Nick seeks to understand Gatsby's underlying motivations the most. This means that we don't, as readers, see the detailed motivations and backstories behind some other characters (ex. George Wilson, Tom), and therefore aren't given the complete perspective of the story.

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This was touched on briefly, but I  agree with the idea that Gatsby is not actually known by the people he surrounds himself with. He was solely intertwined by the parties he threw, the lifestyle he lived, the possessions he had. Another point I agree with is that morals play a role in class. The higher the class, the lower the morals, and sometimes the more corrupt a person can become. Nick was a good example of someone with less wealth and more morals. On the other end, Tom and Daisy knew they could get away with so many things because of who they were and what they had.

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This was touched on briefly, but I  agree with the idea that Gatsby is not actually known by the people he surrounds himself with. He was solely intertwined by the parties he threw, the lifestyle he lived, the possessions he had. Another point I agree with is that morals play a role in class. The higher the class, the lower the morals, and sometimes the more corrupt a person can become. Nick was a good example of someone with less wealth and more morals. On the other end, Tom and Daisy knew they could get away with so many things because of who they were and what they had.

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This discussion included points about the wealth and more like social classes in society of the "Roaring 20's". Such as how 1 thing that Tom had was 10 things of what Gatsby had. I also heard about being in the perspective of Nick which is a good thing instead of someone else. You can understand the other characters to an extent which is enough to pull the story together. Tom was additionally brought back to reality once Myrtle died. He witnesses a tragedy from someone he loved.

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In The Great Gatsby, there are many different levels of wealth among the characters. Tom and Daisy live lavishly, Gatsby lives rich as well, but not as rich as Tom and Daisy. Nick lives comfortably, but Myrtle and her husband live poor, in the Valley of Ashes. The connection between the characters shows the connection that different people of different wealth have. Myrtle, who is poor, is in "love" with Tom, who is rich. Myrtle's relationship is almost purely based on the wealth that Tom has. She wants to live a better life, than the one that she is living with her husband.

Gatsby is also a good example of this. Most people are not aware of Gatsby or who he is. No one is interested in creating personal relationships with him, but they rather show up to his parties to take advantage of his wealth. Nick, the character that does not need extra wealth, since he lives comfortably, is the only person who is interested in creating a personal relationship with Gatsby.

Gatsby's relationship with Nick is also not based on friendship, rather he uses him to get closer to Daisy. This represents how the upper class uses the middle class to get what they want in life, whether that be success, or in this case love.

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I feel like also part of the American Dream is the fact that you never reach it. Gatsby had everything that a poorer person during the time would think they want, but he still wasn't satisfied because he had it. Despite the fact that he was secure in his income, he still wanted Daisy and had always wanted her. In the end, if your working towards a dream for someone else, like Gatsby, you'll never be satisfied with yourself.

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I think everyone has great points that compliment each other, but also have their own different opinions. Asher has a great question and also has strong pieces of evidence to support his question. I agree with the points of the comparisons between Tom and Gatsby's wealth and the division between people due to the significant differences in wealth. Allie has a good point on how wealth brings out the differences between people. Then the example of Tom almost losing his company because of his lack of wealth. They tied one question into another by talking about how Gatsby was so great because he was able to achieve the "American Dream". The point of people not knowing who Gatsby really was, was thrown around. I agree with that because people only really know of Gatsby as this really rich guy who's throwing a party. The development of the conversation is based off of connecting points and how one thing connects to another and it keeps the conversation flowing. I agree with that fact that Gatsby was kind of "using" Jordan and Nick just to get in contact with Daisy and try to restart what they had in the past.

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A huge theme of The Great Gatsby is the futility of the American dream. The idea of the American dream, or of building yourself from nothing, is one full of disillusionment and failure. It's incredibly difficult to make it big, and when you do, the road you've taken to get to your wealth is lined with exploitation, crime, and corruption. Gatsby was a man who seemingly sprung from nothing and became great. He had a huge mansion, hosted large parties, and became an infamous figure in both the East and West Eggs. To an outsider, Gatsby IS the personification of the American dream. However, Gatsby acquired most-- if not all-- of his wealth through illegal, dangerous means (ex. bootlegging). This fact alone represents the untrue nature of the American dream. In order to make it, you must sacrifice yourself and your morals to the prospect of wealth.

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F. Scott Fitzgerald including events in the 1920s into The Great Gatsby

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F. Scott Fitzgerald including events in the 1920s into The Great Gatsby

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I think the racist comments that Tom makes in The Great also represent the 1920s. Racism was occurring a lot in the 1920s as the KKK was attacking a lot of minority groups. The Great Migration was occurring during this time and a lot of racism and prejudice were occurring in the North. I think Tom saying racist things also represents the 1920s as it represents what was going on in the 1920s.

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Many points were brought up regarding Gatsby’s representation of the American dream. The basis of this country was built off of cutting corners and making moves to advance your personal wealth or fame. That aspect is what relates Gatsby to this fantasy but also the fact that Gatsby wasn’t really fulfilled with his life. He wasn’t content with what he had and there was this constant desire for Daisy. I think the American dream blinds us as we put blinders on to the rest of the world when we see something we desire. The American dream is an intangible illusion because in this cycle of wealth it is virtually impossible to be satisfied.

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- robin

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- Money, Alcohol, Glamour
I think that Daisy does definitely represent what was supposed to be the Roaring Twenties. Her entire character represents the fast excitement of the time, and the success that the rich had - as long as they were old money. A lot of what the group mentioned makes sense, because very often we can see the gap between rich and poor, even Gatsby and Tom. Despite the fact that Gatsby gets his money from illegal activities, and despite the fact that he's well known, very rich, and mysterious, he still doesn't beat the riches of Tom or the luxurious lifestyle that Daisy had lived up untill that point.
On top of all of this we still see this misleading glamour of the rich Americans, those who led the life that many of the poor could only dream to. Gatsby was caught up in his dream, for his love for Daisy, for his need to be something more than he was, which was in a way unobtainable.

- Is Nick a real friend to Gatsby?
Personally, I believe that Nick wasn't fully a good friend to any of the characters. He was attached to them, yet it seemed like he was detached. Of course, the whole point of his character was to observe and be pushed out of the spotlight since he wasn't as rich or as fashionable as Gatsby. It doesn't take away from the fact, however, that Gatsby was using Nick to get close to Daisy. Neither Gatsby nor Nick seemed too attached to eachother, too close like friends should be. Instead it felt like Nick was an awkward friend of a friend. I agree that it was only after Gatsby died that everything fell into realization for Nick.

- Nick as a narrator?
I believe that Nick had so much opportunity as a character, but also that it was important to be a blank slate. He was bland, but he was also honest, and seeing through a character who wasn't as rich, wasn't as glamorous, is important. It makes him a vessel for looking at the entire situation, and seeing what is actually going on.

- Other Notes
I feel terrible for Wilson, because he is constantly unaware of his wife's double life, but he was meant to be a sort of turn for Tom, as a mirror of what life could be. Wilson was terribly poor, and he had become physically ill when he found out about his wife, and when his wife died. I agree that it allows for the reader to sympathize with Tom and Daisy.
Daisy's daughter was more than likely attached to the nanny, more than her parents, and it just feels sad. Both Tom and Daisy's lovers die, they all have to move all of a sudden, and the daughter is just jerked around while her parents lives crumble where they used to live.

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