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Sadness/anger, frustration, Southern hospitality (derogatory)

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Necessary
Uncomfortable
Relevance to all of us?

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Interested, curious, unsure about how will it go, its important

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I'm excited for this training. It is a focus of my clinical work, advocacy, and research. I know the conversations can be difficult, but they are also so crucial. 

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I'm excited for this training. It is a focus of my clinical work, advocacy, and research. I know the conversations can be difficult, but they are also so crucial. 

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Desire to be there for clients of color
Care for clients of color

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Requiring courage, taking risks, uncomfortable, disgust, exhausting, frustrating

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This definition as the absence of barriers is really helpful to me. I imagine how this will inform conversations I have with people at different stages of development.

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That will help me to have conversations that align with my antiracist values, not only with clients, but also with (white) people in my personal and professional life.

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Idea that white men are being discriminated against

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Idea that white men are being discriminated against

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I just had a conversation with a white woman who believes white men are at a disadvantage in college acceptance. How do you respond to this in a compassionate and respectful way?

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Would you mind sharing with us the ground rules for our discussion today that was in an early slide?

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Acknowledging close proximity to privilege in some social/personal or most social/personal identities can create dissonance, feelings of shame and guilt. It rattles our perception that as a therapist, we are unbiased and open-minded, or benevolent in our intentions.

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Yes! Both a course and supervision of supervision!

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Yes! Both a course and supervision of supervision!

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No. It wasn't part of my masters program.

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We discussed supervision and were supervised when working with mock clients. However, we weren't given the opportunity to practice supervision.

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Yes, two semesters of class and supervision of supervision

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Fear, judgment of self/others, defensiveness, the idea of good person vs. bad person ...

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Yes, only during my doctorate and during internship. Not during my masters program.

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Can you say more about what these conversations about "whiteness" might look like between supervisees and supervisors?

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Last year during the George Floyd protests, one of my clients of color talked about feeling ostracized in class for speaking up about racial issues. We processed that experience for her, but didn't discuss the therapeutic dynamics around racial differences.

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In working with a client with racial trauma, I pointed out our racial difference and invited discussion about what it felt like in session to address these issues with me as a white therapist. We ended up working from an interpersonal framework intentionally addressing how racial difference in the therapeutic relationship reflected relationships across racial difference that the client had experienced outside therapy.

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In working with a client with racial trauma, I pointed out our racial difference and invited discussion about what it felt like in session to address these issues with me as a white therapist. We ended up working from an interpersonal framework intentionally addressing how racial difference in the therapeutic relationship reflected relationships across racial difference that the client had experienced outside therapy.

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I think it goes back to something that was said earlier- understanding vs responding. I think the times I have practiced cultural humility in-session, were moments in which I was hoping to understand the client and their experience rather than focusing on my response as a clinician.

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I was an intern working with African-American female, who reported that her younger children and elderly grandmother were in abusive/potentially abusive situations that I believed warranted mandated reporting actions. I did not do an adequate job of welcoming her input, thoughts, and feelings about this, because I was so worried about "doing the right thing." While I recognized how I could be perceived as part of a system that had abused and oppressed her, I don't think I gave her space to express and process this requirement to report. I did all the talking; I told her what I had to do, even though she didn't want me to. She walked out of the session on me, and we were not able to repair the rupture together. I still regret this event.

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An African-American female client recently disclosed some race-based stress she was experiencing. I thanked her for sharing these experiences with me, a white counselor, and she informed me that she felt comfortable addressing these concerns in counseling because we had addressed our racial identities and differences in our first session.

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If I already have a sense of an established relationship, this dynamics feels easier to navigate. If its a newer relationship, I tend to feel anxious, tense, my thoughts start racing, and I worry I will say the wrong thing and rupture the relationship.

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When I was assigned one of my first clients in our training clinic in graduate school, I worked with a very low income client who dropped out of therapy after the adjusted  sliding scale fee was experienced as too burdensome. I wish now that I had made time in session for the client to discuss the client's financial capacity and the ways that therapy felt burdensome. I also wish that I had advocated harder for the clinic to revisit the fee to see if a lower fee would be feasible.

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When I was assigned one of my first clients in our training clinic in graduate school, I worked with a very low income client who dropped out of therapy after the adjusted  sliding scale fee was experienced as too burdensome. I wish now that I had made time in session for the client to discuss the client's financial capacity and the ways that therapy felt burdensome. I also wish that I had advocated harder for the clinic to revisit the fee to see if a lower fee would be feasible.

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It depends on what I perceive to be the intention of the person bringing up race/racism.

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Either way it does not make me feel good. However, when it comes to competence being questioned, I may hide behind my degree or years of experience and may use the as a way to cope with that criticism and "make myself feel better". When my identity is criticized, it is harder because no matter how many degrees I get or classes I take, the core aspects of who I am (my personality, temperament, attachment style, openness to experiences, etc.) are not easy to change.

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I am often excited about the opportunities to invite in discussion of identity in therapy. I am often very conscious about making sure I don't center my Whiteness or my experience. Sometimes this makes me anxious because I don't want to take up too much space. 

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I am often excited about the opportunities to invite in discussion of identity in therapy. I am often very conscious about making sure I don't center my Whiteness or my experience. Sometimes this makes me anxious because I don't want to take up too much space. 

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In the counseling room, I feel more prepared to attend to these conversations and have come to expect and invite them. In conversations with colleagues, peers, family, friends, I have all kinds of feelings, from fear to excitement.

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As a staff, we engage in conversations around racism and anti-racism twice a month. I hope this training will inform these conversations and lead to a greater sense of curiosity, trust, and courage.

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Love how you opened the door for your supervisees to process your racial identity and difference. I am very interested in how these conversations went. A lot of listening on your part, I imagine. Did they have questions about you, your approach, your expertise in multiculturalism, for lack of a better word?

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Structural perspective: Permitting employees to take off time to observe religious holidays other than Christian holidays and working on Christian religious holidays (this would mean these days would not come out of PTO for religious minorities).

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Structural perspective: Permitting employees to take off time to observe religious holidays other than Christian holidays and working on Christian religious holidays (this would mean these days would not come out of PTO for religious minorities).

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Individual difference: Tokenizing religious difference. Requiring religious minorities to come out about their religious identities at work and disclose and explain what holidays are observed before taking PTO.

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As a person with an invisible disability, I find that when I disclose my experience to supervisors, they often try to give advice about "self-care" with VERY LITTLE understanding of what I need from a medical perspective. When discussing self-care, I think it's very important that we have an open dialog about use of time, balance, and wellbeing in a way that allows the individual to choose what their own body needs.  

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As a person with an invisible disability, I find that when I disclose my experience to supervisors, they often try to give advice about "self-care" with VERY LITTLE understanding of what I need from a medical perspective. When discussing self-care, I think it's very important that we have an open dialog about use of time, balance, and wellbeing in a way that allows the individual to choose what their own body needs.  

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One example I can think of is from fertility-infertility proximity to power. I have been undergoing fertility treatments. While I would want my therapist to understand my experience of infertility as an individual difference, I would also want them to understand the systemic aspects of this personal problem. For example, as a woman, I would have navigated medical systems defined by the male experience and male body. I would have seen many OBGYNs during my reproductive lifespan, many of which were men, who potentially misdiagnosed or missed identifying causes of infertility in a timely manner because of the system and culture they provided care in. The personal struggle/experience intersects with the systemic limitations/biases.

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People want to see themselves as "good." And when conversations about racism arise, I don't think many white people in the U.S. see structural racism. Many of us see these conversations as a personal attack and get defensive.

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An immediate thought that this is so important and I feel grateful the client trusts me enough to bring it up... and I really want to "get it right"