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Lieutenant Jimmy Cross
Ted Lavender (deceased)
Kiowa
Martha
Henry Dobbins
Norman Bowker
Mitchel Sanders
Rat Kiley
Dave Jenson
Lee Strunk

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Why did the author keep revisiting Ted Lavenders death?

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Why did the author keep revisiting Ted Lavenders death?

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Grammar and long sentences- it's grammatically incorrect, but it works. Why?

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Grammar and long sentences- it's grammatically incorrect, but it works. Why?

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the run on sentences create an overwhelming feeling of everything the soldiers feel and experience

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Jimmy loves Martha but the love seems to be unrequited. His obsession with her is what he blames for Lavender's death and views his feelings different.

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"He wanted to sleep inside her lungs and breathe her blood and be smothered" (O'Brien 11)

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Shift in POV- This chapter was in first person and that person was not Jimmy Cross.

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Shift in POV- This chapter was in first person and that person was not Jimmy Cross.

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We learn what about the 'me?'- A former soldier and a current author.

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Jimmy Cross survives the war.
Martha likes women not men, that's why she doesn't want to get married.
Martha and Jimmy meet up at a college reunion. Jimmy still loves Martha, but it seems that Martha will never be into Jimmy.

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Last paragraph- "Don't mention anything about---"

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Last paragraph- "Don't mention anything about---"

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Ted Lavender? Martha? Something we don't know about?

Probably Ted Lavender, which means that the author/narrator didn't keep his promise to Jimmy Cross.

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Do we understand the reason Azar is Azar? 19 year-old soldier surrounded by death and fear and shame.... blowing up a puppy or having zero sympathy for a maimed child might not be excusable, but can be understood.

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-The narrator is Tim O'Brien and he is 43 years-old
-Kiowa sink into a shit field and Curt is blown into a tree
-Tim has a Daughter named kathleen
-Tim killed a man with hand grenade on a village trail

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-tim might have some ptsd
-how do you forget the bad?
-Norman bowkers story about the medals. Relatable because some of us felt that

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- Not being able to forget the horrors of war
-How soldiers coped with what they saw and experienced
-Stories....

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- emotional, it was overwhelming to the reader purposely, and the author created that emotion by flooding the reader with information.
-it was very detailed about how the author chooses to stay.
-hallucination seen showed how far he'd been pushed.
-ends hallucination with the guy he killed

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-Shame is a motivator.
-environment (people, town,) influence actions.
-How reliable is Tim? How accurate is his memory?
-Can a war story have a happy ending?
-Tim is fighting a war he doesn't believe in.

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"I was a coward I went to the war"(58).-Tis goes against our common understanding of bravery and soldiering. Usually we think that soldiers who go off to war are brave; Tim takes this idea and flips it on its head when he suggests the brave thing to do would have been to NOT go to war.

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-What if Elroy is not real?
-"He was a witness like God, or like the gods, who look on in absolute silence as we live our lives, as we make our choices or fail to make them"(57).

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-Your worst enemy is your own mind
-Paranoia drives people mad

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Jenson and Strunk became "enemies", but I don't think Strunk saw him as an enemy, just Jenson.

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The idea that Strunk might want to get revenge for breaking his nose creates paranoia for Jenson. This leads one to consider who is the real enemy in war?

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Jenson and Strunk made up quick.
I know it said they took a few months to become friends but its crazy.
-Why make a pact?

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Strunk dies from leg exploding.
Jenson didn't have to put down Strunk so he felt relieved.

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- The whole fight started because Strunk stole Jenson's switchblade; that lead to Jenson filled with paranoia.
-The thing that solves their conflict is Jenson breaking his own nose.

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First Person perspective
Descriptive language allows readers to visualize it

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Curt dies when playing catch with rat and standing on a booby trap.
Rat shows his emotions by torturing a baby buffalo

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Truth.
what makes a true war story?
-a war story is something hard to believe
- a story that has no morals is true
- a story that has no good guys
What is true and not true?
what is the actuality of what happened and what the point is

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"absolute occurrence is irrelevant. A thing may happen and be a total lie; another thing may not happen and be truer than the truth" (80)

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Curt Lemon was a weird dude. He's scared of dentists, yet he went to the dentist on his own regard to get a shot.
-maybe to prove to himself he can do it? because he was embarrassed?

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-Tim didn't know Lemon very well, and didn't have a good opinion of him.
-Described him as narcissistic and always trying to talk himself up
-Maybe overconfident, But Lemon was likely insecure and trying to combat that.

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War changes everyone

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Did Mary Anne lose herself or find herself?

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Did Mary Anne lose herself or find herself?

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she was innocent, young, naive, traditional view of future
curious obsession travel, live together before marriage
she become self-aware unrestrained, she become the war/Vietnam.

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Tim kept repeating the same sentence, to show the guilt building inside him.

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The use of repetition and humanizing the dead man as himself.
Fear of shame and embarrassment.
Humanizes the vietcong

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He constantly places says the "man I killed" to attach the responsibility, and guilt to it

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uses later, the body changes. the lighting changes.

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Same repetition from last chapter.

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He was ambushed in the story and by his daughter asking him if he had killed anyone.

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How killing that man has stuck with Tim.

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Everyone on the squad blamed themselves in someway for Kiowa's death. Even Azar.
" 'Nobody's Fault,' he said. 'Everybody's'"(168). Is a good example of how everyone felt about the freak accident that killed their friend.

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I think it's weird that Dobbins had pantyhose from the girl but it showed how everyone had something to be attached too.

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I think this chapter highlighted how the men's religious beliefs affected them each.

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This chapter is another chapter that highlights the importance of 'story-truth' and 'happening truth'
Tim explains how even if he didn't kill anyone saying he did was still a truth in itself, because he was there he attached the guilt of mens' deaths to himself which in itself made it that statement true.

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Tim went back to the place where Kiowa died 20 years after the war, with his daughter Kathleen.
He explained how he felt like a part of him died there along with kiowa 20 years ago.

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Norman Bowker blamed himself for Kiowa's death, and drove around this lake over and over imagining conversations he would have with his dad and ex if he could. He highlights how he felt he couldn't talk to anyone about anything.

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Tim explains how 'Speaking of Courage' was a story written by Norman but wasn't necessarily about Norman, as he didn't actually almost win the Silver Star, however how it represented the truth of how people felt. The therapy that speaking provides, and how Bowker killed himself after the war because he had no one to speak to.

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Could it be Tim?

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It's sad, this chapter emphasized the futility of life.
I think Tim was trying to emphasize the futility of life and how stories bring people back to life.

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Linda was Tim's elementary school girlfriend that died at 9.
How he could visit her in his dreams, and stories brought her to life.