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what if someone proposed to Swift eating pre-adolescents, so then he could be involved?

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what if someone proposed to Swift eating pre-adolescents, so then he could be involved?

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He wants to make sure the reader knows that he is not super crazy. By taking the blame off of himself, the reader still feels that someone needs to be held accountable. Swift set up the government for attack from the people because they will blame them for the chaos that will ensue. 

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He wants to make sure the reader knows that he is not super crazy. By taking the blame off of himself, the reader still feels that someone needs to be held accountable. Swift set up the government for attack from the people because they will blame them for the chaos that will ensue. 

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quizlet flex

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Swift makes his point negatively, stringing together an appalling set of morally untenable positions in order to cast blame and aspersions far and wide. The essay progresses through a series of surprises that first shocks the reader and then causes her to think critically not only about policies but also about motivations and values. Most of his audience is extremely indifferent about the whole ordeal.

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thanks kaitlin! :)

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The Irish: "Ya'll hear somethin'?"

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junxtaposing rational thought proccesses with irrational concepts

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*Jonathan Swift has entered the chat*

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It is very clear the author does not "care what other people think" and he is focused on his idea (not the opinions of others)

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It is very clear the author does not "care what other people think" and he is focused on his idea (not the opinions of others)

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Ireland still has potatoes in 1729. They lose their potatoes in the 1840s.

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Ireland still has potatoes in 1729. They lose their potatoes in the 1840s.

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it's hard to tell if Swift supports the Protestants or the Catholics, because his parents were English and he was living in a Catholic country. By bringing up religion, he creates another conflict that has to be addressed instead of focusing on the economic problems

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it's hard to tell if Swift supports the Protestants or the Catholics, because his parents were English and he was living in a Catholic country. By bringing up religion, he creates another conflict that has to be addressed instead of focusing on the economic problems

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Not sure he is hazing his wife but more of the fact that he is trying to say he is not creating a problem for his country​. 

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Not sure he is hazing his wife but more of the fact that he is trying to say he is not creating a problem for his country​. 

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Could also be taking himself out of the group of poor to make himself seem like he is not hurting the country. Yes Kaitlin, I agree.

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Could also be taking himself out of the group of poor to make himself seem like he is not hurting the country. Yes Kaitlin, I agree.

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I agree with Emily on that the author uses the last paragraph for credibility reasons

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I agree with Emily on that the author uses the last paragraph for credibility reasons

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Tries to pin it on the government as their idea instead of his to show that if they do nothing, this will be the situation they are in. It takes the blame off of him and places it onto the government.

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Tries to pin it on the government as their idea instead of his to show that if they do nothing, this will be the situation they are in. It takes the blame off of him and places it onto the government.

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Tries to show that the government has to handle the economy and more poor people.

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Tries to show that the government has to handle the economy and more poor people.

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In A Modest Proposal, Swift vents his mounting aggravation at the ineptitude of Ireland's politicians, the hypocrisy of the wealthy, the tyranny of the English, and the squalor and degradation in which he sees so many Irish people living. While A Modest Proposabemoans the bleak situation of an Ireland almost totally subject to England's exploitation, it also expresses Swift's utter disgust at the Irish people's seeming inability to mobilize on their own behalf. Without excusing any party, the essay shows that not only the English but also the Irish themselves--and not only the Irish politicians but also the masses--are responsible for the nation's lamentable state. His compassion for the misery of the Irish people is a severe one, and he includes a critique of their incompetence in dealing with their own problems.

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at least they didn't decide to shut down the government because the economy was bad

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Swift sets up the reader for the journey and then he knows that he will be able to convince them of his idea. It also makes him more credible than absurd.

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Swift sets up the reader for the journey and then he knows that he will be able to convince them of his idea. It also makes him more credible than absurd.

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I agree with the group in that the author waits to introduce the dramatic satire

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I agree with the group in that the author waits to introduce the dramatic satire

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He entices the reader with something that they want to hear and then they are stuck into reading the rest of the paper to find out how the problem can be solved.

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let's eat children

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I'd like to file a complaint against Kiley

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I'd like to file a complaint against Kiley

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dope

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something

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press f to pay respects

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He presents a shockingly extreme case of cold-blooded "rationality" in order to make his readers reexamine their own priorities. Swift parodies the style of the pseudo-scientific proposals for social engineering that was so popular in his day. His piece is partly an attack on the economic utilitarianism that drove so many of these proposals.

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he wants to show the readers that he is practical

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he wants to show the readers that he is practical

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I like Paige's point about how Swift draws in his reader

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I like Paige's point about how Swift draws in his reader

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never before seen image of Jonathan swift's breeder

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All the statistics in paragraph 7 dehumanize the lower class society because it makes it seem like the people that are effected by this issue are only a statistic and not an actual person.

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it all seems tto come back to him using women for the 'benefit' of the country, and dehumanizing them not even proving his point

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oh yeah he dehumanizes the children by using all those scientific terms and mathematical calculations, which makes the children seem like a science project or commodity

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oh yeah he dehumanizes the children by using all those scientific terms and mathematical calculations, which makes the children seem like a science project or commodity

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lowkey tho

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by describing that he wants to help "children of professed beggars" dehumanizes the children who need help

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@ Jimmy: good connection with the diction and ethos 

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@ Jimmy: good connection with the diction and ethos 

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The word choice might not necessarily be to just lift himself above the reader because the vernacular back then may have differed a lot from today. @Jimmy

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guys in the middle are killing it yo

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satire is a fascinating way to prove a point

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It's like how Marx made a fool of the Warner Bros. claim so that they couldn't take their own claim seriously. He makes his crazy argument seem so rational that he makes the people he's criticizing act counteract their plan that he is putting into action. 

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It's like how Marx made a fool of the Warner Bros. claim so that they couldn't take their own claim seriously. He makes his crazy argument seem so rational that he makes the people he's criticizing act counteract their plan that he is putting into action. 

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F

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by seeming so educated, he is also mocking the people of his time who were trying to solve society's issues with pure rationalism

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by seeming so educated, he is also mocking the people of his time who were trying to solve society's issues with pure rationalism

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I agree with Sarah a lot. I feel that his whole purpose was to make this suggestion of his seem so ridiculous and horrible that people realize how much needs to change

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The logical way increases his logos in his argument. Also with the statistics.

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The logical way increases his logos in his argument. Also with the statistics.

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I very much agree that his purpose is to make the reader afraid of the reader to draw them away the ideas he shows.

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swift wants to show the reader that he is fully determined to change society. he creates a persona that is shocking to the reader, which was his main goal

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I think swift wants the reader to see him as one of the upper class monsters who are responsible for the situation of the lower class.

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To build on Sarah's point, Swift writes like he is a scientist explaining a method for some project. If he's the villain, then he's making society think about being the good person so it's like reverse psychology.

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To build on Sarah's point, Swift writes like he is a scientist explaining a method for some project. If he's the villain, then he's making society think about being the good person so it's like reverse psychology.

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he wants the readers to think that he is an educated person on the topic and is practical and analytical

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he wants the readers to think that he is an educated person on the topic and is practical and analytical

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That sounded wrong. Mothers are cool but the cult of domesticity is bad.

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That sounded wrong. Mothers are cool but the cult of domesticity is bad.

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he may talk about women this way because he sees them as the problem for creating the overpopulation

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Good point, Sus. By over estimating their worth as mothers, he makes them into childbearing machines.

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Good point, Sus. By over estimating their worth as mothers, he makes them into childbearing machines.

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he was a child of the 1700s so he did not like wamen

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he was a child of the 1700s so he did not like wamen

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well put sarah

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during the time, women were only seen to be mothers, which Swift noted

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during the time, women were only seen to be mothers, which Swift noted

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I agree with Kaitlin

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the misogyny weakens his ETHOS because thats important 

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the misogyny weakens his ETHOS because thats important 

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With stating how women could be valuable it furthers the idea of degrading women because it creates this idea that women are only valuable for their reproductive abilities.

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It makes his argument stronger due to his willingness to call out a social group to prove his point

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It makes his argument stronger due to his willingness to call out a social group to prove his point

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the misogynistic tone used by the author changed his argument slightly, because his point regarding social justice is emphasized then taken away with his views of inequality

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I honestly looked over it just because of the time period it was written in, and his main point was about the poor and not necessarily women

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The misogyny makes sense in this time period but now that we read it now, it hurts his credibility. 

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The misogyny makes sense in this time period but now that we read it now, it hurts his credibility. 

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the sixth advantage seems the most sardonic because Swift assumes that since the children of the poor will be more valuable, the parents will treasure them more, which is highly sarcastic and mocking

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the sixth advantage seems the most sardonic because Swift assumes that since the children of the poor will be more valuable, the parents will treasure them more, which is highly sarcastic and mocking

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Yes Nissi

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i agree with nissi, paragraph five was an important section of the document

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Paragraph 5 is pretty sardonic too. It says that there will be less abortions if Irish people eat infants. So less babies will die if there people eat the babies.

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@Alex
I agree. This is especially evident throughout his explanation of how they can benefit from the 🤬 of thousands of children