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How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it.
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period? A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense. Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened. So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/

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The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story.
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999

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In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae.
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/

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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E

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With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
-For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park.

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DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man.
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry

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How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source?
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped.
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/

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How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/

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Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up.

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If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/

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During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs.

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

📎 Photo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

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11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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 1m
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

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https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
5m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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Script
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https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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The Timing (Logos)

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11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
4m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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kyramattice
12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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kyramattice
11mo

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kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
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The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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11mo

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11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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kyramattice
12mo

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12mo

Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

kyramattice
11mo
Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
1-805-625-4560
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

kyramattice
11mo
Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

📎 Photo

kyramattice
11mo

Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
11mo
Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
Motive (Pathos) kyramat

Anonymous
3m
 
Motive (Pathos)

kyramattice
11mo
Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

kyramattice
12mo
                                                 Adnan Syed
 
Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

kyramattice
11mo
Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
 script
script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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kyramattice
12mo

Jay's Lies (Ethos)

kyramattice
11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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kyramattice
12mo

Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

kyramattice
12mo
                                                            Jay Wilds
 
Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

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Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
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Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

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Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
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The Timing (Logos)

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The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

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DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
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Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
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Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

Katie Reyes
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Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Motive (Pathos)

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Motive (Pathos)
How did Adnan's "motive" hold up in court?  Adnan's motive had no hold to it. 
- The idea that Adnan had a lot of built up anger about Hae dating a car sales man, or that he had a lot of anger about the breakup doesn't add up. in the podcast, Sarah crafts this theory. The idea was that the reason Adnan hasn't snapped and tried to kill Hae before hand is because he didn't see her little or none after the breakup until school started up again. This is wrong though, Adnan did see Hae during that school break or one of those snow days. Hae called him to ask for help for his car. And Don was there too. Don met Adnan, the ex boyfriend, and said he was totally chill about the whole thing. Nothing suspicious. So if Adnan truly did have all of this built up anger over the break up, wouldn't he have at least seemed tense or yell at some point during that time period?  A motive is a huge piece of evidence holding Adnan Syed back however the evidence makes sense.  Without a motive to kill the killing wouldn't have happened.  So disproving his motive disproves the fact that he killed Hae.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/serial-subject-adnan-syed-4-key-pieces-of-evidence-explained-20160701
https://adnansyedfacts.wordpress.com/adnans-motive/
Adnan Syed

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Evidence against Adnan

Brennen Dills
12mo
Evidence against Adnan
The call logs are a main piece of evidence against Adnan simply because it follows Jay's story and backs up his story. 
things they hold against Adnan:
1. Jay's testimony
2. Adnan being the ex boyfriend
3. Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day she disappeared
4. his paranoid behavior when cops called to ask about Hae
5.Adnan's phone made and received 2 calls linked through leakin' park the day she was buried
6. Finding DNA of Adnan's in hae's car.
7. the fact Adnan does not remember what he did on Jan 13, 1999
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
Autopsy Report (Logos) (outside source)
In Jay's statement he says that they bury Hae about 4 and a half hours after she was killed, so why doesn't this match the autopsy report?
-The autopsy report of Hae Lee's body showed blood pools on the frontal areas of her body. To a normal person this means nothing but to a coroner this shows that the body was laying on their stomach after they were killed.  Doctors estimate around 10 hours of the dead body lying face down before being buried.  
-The important thing from this piece of evidence is that it doesn't match up with Jay's Testimony.  So why doesn't it?  Maybe it doesn't because he didn't know doctors could figure that out and wanted to pin it on Adnan after he was the one who killed Hae. 
http://people.com/crime/adnan-syed-is-innocent-and-i-can-prove-it-lawyer-rabia-chaudry/
Script

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Script
(There's more if you click on it)

Sound-
https://splice.gopro.com/v?id=7rxKgj

If that link doesn't work ^^^^
https://youtu.be/63wGGNxgN6E
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script
Word document
padlet drive
The Timing (Logos)

kyramattice
11mo
The Timing (Logos)
With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
 -For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park. 
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)

kyramattice
11mo
DNA Evidence Against Adnan (Logos) (outside source)
Truthfully, there is none, so how was he convicted?
-To simply put it, Adnan was convicted due to DNA evidence they found in Hae's car.  They found a sample of Adnan's DNA.  This can be simply explained though, Adnan has been in Hae's car before.  She gave him rides after school among other times he was there.  So having his DNA in the car comes to no shock and shouldn't be a reason that is held against him because it can be simply explained
-In fact, this case could have had a clear suspect if the police analyzed DNA they took from Hae's body. Police did indeed collect swabs, including vaginal swabs to check for rape, however the police didn't end up testing the samples due to a fear that it would show that Adnan truly had no involvement into Hae's murder. If this piece of evidence was tested then Adnan might be a free man. 
-Also, the crime scene had some samples of hair in the car of Hae Lee's however it was not a match for Adnan Syed. This shows that there was somebody else in Hae's car.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/06/adnan-syed-new-trial-hae-min-lee-rabia-choudry
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Jay's Lies (Ethos)

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11mo
Jay's Lies (Ethos)
How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source? 
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped. 
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/
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Call log locations (Logos)

Katie Reyes
11mo
Call log locations (Logos)
How can you say you where one place when your phone pings a tower in another area?
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/
Jay Wilds

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Nisha Call (Logos)

Katie Reyes
12mo
Nisha Call (Logos)
Did Adnan actually call her or was it a butt dial?
Jay says that Adnan contacted Nisha and handed him the phone to speak while they were in the car. Although, Nisha remembers that they were in the adult store, where jay works, during the time that she spoke with him. Its possible that Nisha was accidentally called and never picked up but it was still billed. The phone company still bills calls after they have been on the phone for 2 minuets, even if they don't have a machine that picks up. 
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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos

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Kyra's Phone Number for Videos
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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay

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Adnan's Emotions Towards Jay
If Adnan really was innocent, and knew that Jay was the one telling these lies about him, why isn't he furious at Jay?
Adnan claims that the reason he is not more upset at Jay for telling these lies is because "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him".  This part of reaction towards Jay makes people believe that he really did murder Hae and simply isn't mad at Jay because Jay is right about everything. Well, in the defendants defense, maybe he just gave up?  Adnan has been in jail for 15+ years and until the podcast Serial came out, no one had thought about Adnan being innocent except his family, some friends, and his lawyer. The jury took one look at him and decided he was guilty after hours of discussion, Adnan barely had a chance.  So fighting it all, being angry at the whole situation would do no good for himself.
(this article mentioned it) https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/36t3jq/top_ten_reasons_adnan_syed_is_guilty_of_murder/
 
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Race and religion used against him?

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Race and religion used against him?
During Adnan's trial, the records prove that his race an religion were used against him. The court didn't introduce him as an american citizen, he was introduced as Pakistani Muslim "The defendant is of Pakistani background, he's a Muslim." -prosecutor during Adnan's trial. By telling the jury this the prosecutor is stereotyping Adnan because of his beliefs. 
 
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Below are my top ten reasons that the accusation that Adnan murdered Hae Min Lee is proven to the extent that there could be no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a "reasonable person" that he is guilty of the crime IN THIS WORLD. In the multiple worlds like ours found in our multiverse, Adnan is innocent. Just like Hae is still alive and the Beatles never broke up.

Note that in our legal system there can still be a doubt, but only to the extent that it would not affect a reasonable person's belief regarding whether or not the defendant is guilty. IN THIS WORLD, the preponderance of evidence and statistical probability point overwhelmingly to Adnan's culpability in the strangulation and murder of Hae Min Lee. Granted there are many people who would prefer to believe in the possibilities inherent in living in a multiverse where the fact that something is possible, somehow means it is reasonable to believe.

At any rate, in THIS WORLD the top ten reasons it is reasonable to believe that Adnan is guilty of murder:

1: Statistical probability.

Multiple studies have shown that in America the odds that Hae Min Lee, or any other female murder victim, are murdered by a random stranger is less then 10%. Over 90% of women murdered by men are murdered by someone they know. Of those, 60% are murdered by their intimate partner or ex-partner. Most often, females are "killed by males in the course of an argument between the victim and the offender." By far the leading and most reasonable explanation about what happened to Hae Min Lee is that there was an argument between Adnan and Hae over her new relationship with Don that escalated to violence. Every other theory, particularly given the total lack of any evidence to the contrary, stretches reasonable doubt to the breaking point. IN THIS WORLD. In the multiverse of worlds, Hae is killed by some random serial killer or by a drug gang or by alien abduction.

2: The absurdity of a police conspiracy

Without a doubt the police lead aspects of this case and interrogation. They had an uncooperative suspect (Jay) that they had to make cooperative. But to believe they coerced Jay's testimony in its entirety, you have to believe they also coerced Jen's testimony as well. You have to believe that something as substantial as finding Hae's car was hidden from her family. You have to discount incriminating cell phone evidence, most notably the Leakin Park cell phone pings. You have to develop wild theories about how all corroborating testimony was incorrectly attributed as having occurred on Jan 13th. etc. Is all of this possible? Yes. We live in a multiverse after all. Is it reasonable? No. Any reasonable outside observer can see that the odds that Jay was not involved directly in the burial (and tangentially the murder) of Hae Min Lee are remote. And if Jay is involved, any reasonable person would have to conclude Adnan is by far the most likely perpetrator of the murder. Just as any reasonable person would find Jay and probably Jen, as involved as accessories after the fact.

3: The Incriminating Cell Phone Pings.

In particular the Leakin park cell phone pings in the early evening. If Adnan had is phone at this time, which is what he claims, there is no reasonable explanation for these pings other then that the phone was near or in Leakin park which Adnan claims to have not been near. To get the phone there without Adnan's involvement involves creating scenarios that while certainly possible in this vast multiverse, are highly unlikely in this world, and can be reasonably dismissed as improbable. That something is possible does not mean it is reasonable to assume it could have happened. It bears noting that earlier in the day the cell phone pings do not align in any way with either Jay or Adnan's description of the morning. Very likely something else was going on. Who knows what but it is just another instance of Adnan lying about where he was and what he was doing.

4: Multiple instances of Adnan lying. Some of it deeply disturbing.

Any one instance doesn't say a lot. But taken together they paint the picture of someone who is manipulative and lacks credibility. Lying about Hae wanting to get back together with him is perhaps the most chilling. This was a lie Adnan told the School nurse on the day the news broke that Hae's body had been found. He claimed to have spoken to Hae the night before she disappeared and told the nurse that Hae "had wanted to get back together with him, that she still loved him, but that he didn't want to get back into the relationship in that manner - that they would always be friends." (source trial testimony of nurse: http://postimg.org/image/wz59tmc2p/) Given what we know of the phone log from the evening before the murder, and the very short conversation that Adnan had that AM with Hae, this does not ring true at all. What is creepy is that it sounds very much like what Hae likely told him in the car right before he strangled her. There are of course other damning lies. Lying about asking Hae for a ride on the day of the murder (witnessed by two separate credible witnesses and confirmed by Adnan to a police officer the same day). Lying about his car being unavailable when asking for the rid. Lying about how he wasn't bothered by their breakup. Lying about where he was and it not matching up with cell tower evidence. Stealing from the community Mosque donations. etc.

5: Hae's letters and diary which point to Adnan not accepting the breakup well and at times feeling menaced by his behavior.

6: Adnan's attitude towards Jay is not one of someone wrongfully accused.

Adnan continues to display what can only be described as a bizarre lack of emotion towards Jay. If Adnan is innocent, Jay is lying through his teeth. How could any innocent person not be enraged by this situation? In the best possible scenario, Jay was coerced into his testimony. But here we are 15 years later and Jay continues to lie. Adan's response that "he does not want to do the same thing to Jay as has been done to him" clearly doesn't make sense - Jay is NOT innocent in this situation. If Adnan is innocent Jay is LYING. Andan must KNOW this. How could such a moral person as himself not insist on finding out the truth regarding Jay? Note further that if there was not a police conspiracy then Jay was clearly involved somehow in his beloved Hae's murder. So not only does Jay kill his beloved Hae, he puts Adnan away for life. And Adnan doesn't want to accuse him of anything? Give me a break.

7: Adnan claiming no memory of the day.

This after a police call enquiring if he knew her whereabouts as she did not pick up her nephew which Adnan himself has argued was so important to Hae that he wouldn't even think of asking her for a ride. Anyone who genuinely cared about Hae would have been deeply alarmed. Just as all her close friends and family were. And he never attempts to contact her from this point on.

8: Multiple instances of both Jay and Jenn telling third party strangers about the strangulation death of Hae Min Lee BEFORE any police interrogations.

9: Writing "I'm going to kill" on a breakup note from Hae.

Assuming this was related to THIS WORLD and not the multiverse of worlds, and against the background of everything else that happened in THIS WORLD, it is pretty damning.

10: The Nisha call.

Reasonable to believe it was a butt dial? Sure. Just as it is reasonable to believe it was an actual phone call in an effort to provide an alibi for his whereabouts. Namely that he was with Jay. An alibi that he could no longer rely on once Jay flipped.

In conclusion, the most reasonable thing to believe happened in THIS WORLD is the following. Adnan got a ride from Hae Min Lee most likely with the intent of rekindling their relationship. They argued over their relationship and Don. Adnan in a fit of rage strangled Hae Min Lee. Adnan, with Jay's assistance, scouted Leakin Park in the early evening and returned later to bury Hae's body. Given how odd Jen's testimony is i wouldn't be surprised to find out she was involved somehow in the burial as well. Again, all in this world. In the multiverse, Adnan is innocent.

This is an incredibly sad case made sadder by the misplaced efforts by many who live in the multiverse rather then this world to secure the release of a murderer who refuses to take responsibility for his actions IN THIS WORLD.

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In a later post, I plan on expanding further on Adnan's cell phone records and the related witness testimony, and discussing what we can reconstruct about Hae's murder from the existing evidence. This post, however, is not about the evidence that we have. It's about the evidence that we don't have - and that's evidence that Jay is telling the truth about Adnan's involvement in Hae's death.

Now, it's possible that Adnan is still guilty of Hae's murder, and that the state managed to get the right guy, even if they didn't have much to go on. Possible. The fact that Jay is a completely incredible witness is not evidence that Adnan is innocent. But that doesn't change the fact that the state's evidence was based entirely on the uncorroborated testimony of a self-acknowledged liar with a motive to falsely incriminate Adnan.

The state has itself acknowledged that Jay was the alpha and the omega of its case against Adnan. At trial, the prosecutor told the jury, "Let's talk about Jay [ ] because, clearly, this case hinges on his testimony" (Brief of Appellant at 40). But while the prosecution then went on to continually assert, at every opportunity, that Jay was a "credible" witness, there was simply no objective basis for believing that Jay was likely to tell the truth when he testified at Adnan's trial.

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic here, or to exaggerate for effect. I know that's a pretty expansive claim to make. But it also happens to be accurate. We know that Jay had every motivation to lie and no motivation to the tell the truth; had a demonstrated history of lying when it was to his own advantage; and lacked corroborating evidence in support of his claims. Even assuming that Adnan is guilty of Hae's murder, there was still no objective reason to find Jay's testimony on that point to be credible.

How can a thing like that be evaluated? Well, the credibility of a witness's testimony - that is, roughly speaking, the testimony's evidentiary value - is judged in reference to four basic factors. Those factors are sometimes formulated in different ways, or split into additional categories, but they can be summarized as the following:

1. Inherent Credibility. A witness's general character for truthfulness and honesty.

2. Bias or Interest. A witness's motive to lie in a particular circumstance.

3. Inconsistent Statements. Whether a witness's statements have been internally consistent.

4. Corroboration by Other Evidence. A witness's credibility is enhanced when his testimony matches known evidence.

With those factors in mind, how does Jay's testimony stack up?

The Witness's Inherent Credibility

Some witnesses have inherent credibility. Call it demeanor, call it character, whatever, but the factfinder in a trial is entitled to conclude that a witness is simply not the type of person who would lie, and credit their testimony based on that alone. Personally, I think this is the most useless way to evaluate testimony, because humans just aren't natural polygraph machines - as a general rule, we're really bad at this. Juries always overestimate their own ability to distinguish the liars from the truth tellers simply by observing them.

But sometimes, it is very easy to make an assessment of a witness's inherent credibility. And that is when a witness informs you that he has none.

Jay is that witness.

Jay told the police and the jury, again and again, that he was willing to lie in order to avoid criminal punishment. He was not shy about this fact. Ask Jay why he lies, and he'll tell you: he lies because he didn't want to get in trouble.

For instance, in Jay's third police statement, he gave a completely different story than he had give in his first two statements. And when the cops asked why he has not told the truth before, Jay "admitted that he lied on the two previous occasions to cover up the fact that he bought and sold marijuana" (Appellant's Brief at 12).

And in one of Jay's first two interviews, a detective asked Jay "what [Adnan] ha[d] over [him]," and noted that he could not understand why Jay would have voluntarily helped cover up Hae's murder unless Adnan had some sort of leverage. Jay responded,

"Like I said, he knows I sold drugs, I mean . . . that was, I mean, that's . . . he could get me locked up for that, I mean." (Episode 4.)

In Jay's second interview - which, again, was radically different from what was said in his first interview, and also radically different from what he would later say in his third - Detective MacGillivary pointed out all of the known lies that Jay had told so far, and asked Jay why he had not simply told them the truth during his first interview. The following exchange occurred:

Detective: "Why did you lie about the location [where Hae was killed]?"

Jay: "Uh, I figured there was cameras there or somebody had spotted him doing what he was doing."

Detective: "But if you actually didn't assist with her murder . . ."

Jay: "But I'm associated. I'm associated." (Episode 4.)

Ignoring the truthful response that Jay's answer inadvertently contains (that Jay lied because he was concerned there would be video footage showing who committed the murder), we have yet another example of Jay fully disclosing to the police that when he believes the truth will get him in trouble, he is going to lie instead.

And if Jay is willing to repeatedly lie to the cops in order to avoid getting in trouble for buying and selling pot, why on earth would he not also be willing to lie in order to avoid getting in trouble for murder?

The Witness's Bias or Self-Interest

A witness's credibility is affected by the witness's "biases, prejudices, or ulterior motives . . . as they may relate directly to issues or personalities in the case at hand." Davis v. Alaska, 415 U.S. 308 (1974). Bias exists when there is a "relationship between a party and a witness which might lead the witness to slant, unconsciously or otherwise, his testimony in favor of or against a party," and biased "may be induced by a witness' like, dislike, or fear of a party, or by the witness' self-interest." United States v. Abel, 469 U.S. 45 (1984).

Does Jay have a bias which might lead him to slant his testimony against Adnan? Well, since not testifying against Adnan could very well have resulted in Jay serving the life-plus-thirty sentence that Adnan got, I'm going to say yes, he did in fact have a bias that might cause him to not tell the truth about Hae's murder.

It was obvious to Jay that the police were looking at him as a possible suspect. Jenn had already told the cops that Jay was throwing away shovels and clothes after Adnan had, supposedly, disposed of Hae's body by himself - and the cops knew, even if Jenn didn't, that Jay's story about not being involved in the burial was utter horseshit. So Jay's claims about not being involved at all in Hae's death were not going to get him very far. That cat was already out of the bag, because the police knew he had at least helped bury the body. And Jay had a very strong self-interest in making sure that the police believed his involvement went no further than that.

Jay also knew that the cops were running with the theory that Adnan had done it - after all, that's why they pulled Adnan's cell phone records. And Adnan being responsible matched the story that Jenn had already given them, via Jay's previous statements to her. At that moment, regardless of whether Adnan was guilty or innocent, Jay had every reason in the world to say, "Yep, Adnan did it. He told me he did it. He forced me to help bury the body. If you're looking for the murderer, he's your man."

But it gets worse. Once Jay's plea agreement was in place, Jay's motive to lie only increased. The plea agreement provided, at Sec. 1(a),

The Defendant represents that he/she has fully and truthfully responded to all questions put to Defendant by law enforcement authorities during all prior interviews. If at any point it becomes evident the Defendant has not been truthful concerning his involvement in this incident, the State is immediately released from any obligation under this agreement, the agreement becomes null and void, and the State is free to bring any charge against the Defendant supported by the evidence. The Defendant shall continue to cooperate fully with the State by providing full, complete and candid information concerning the murder of Hae Min Lee of which Defendant has knowledge.

So Jay "represent[ed] that he[ ] has fully and truthfully responded . . . during all prior interviews"? Well, shoot. That's not good for Jay. He has already admitted that he lied in every single interview he gave. And, "[i]f at any point it becomes evident [Jay] has not been truthful concerning his involvement in this incident, . . . the agreement becomes null and void"? Hmm, that's not good for Jay either. Since Jay definitely was not truthful in his police statements, he might reasonably think the state could void his agreement at any time. That's a pretty tenuous position for anyone to be in - what was Jay supposed to do? "The Defendant shall continue to cooperate fully with the State by providing full, complete and candid information concerning the murder of Hae Min Lee. . ." Ah-ha, there we go. There's something Jay can work with. "Cooperate fully." In other words: Jay would not be crazy for thinking that if he did not "cooperate fully" with the state - by testifying to what he knew they wanted to hear - then he would be facing a lot of jail time.

Is anyone surprised that Jay did go on and testify exactly as the state wanted him to? At trial, he told a new version of his story - one that he had never told in any of the prior police interviews, but which was selectively woven together from the most believable portions of his prior statements. And following Adnan's trial, he was given a sentence that let him avoid spending so much as a day in prison.

When a witness's testimony at trial is either internally inconsistent, or inconsistent with the witness's prior statements, the factfinder is left with a question. Was the witness lying a trial, and telling the truth before? Was he lying before, and telling the truth now? Or did the witness just lie both times? Are the witness's inconsistencies a result of the witness deliberately changing his story, or are they a result of the witness not being able to remember what he had said in his previous stories?

All of these questions raise serious doubts as to the credibility as the witness's testimony. And particularly where a key witness did himself have the opportunity to actually be the perpetrator of a crime, the fact that the witness's "statements to the police were replete with inconsistencies [ ] would . . . allow[ ] the jury to infer that [the witness] was anxious to see [the defendant] arrested for [the victim's] murder. " Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. 419 (1995).

So how does Jay stack up in terms of consistency? To hear the state tell it, Jay is a daggum straight-shooter who sticks by his word. During opening arguments, the prosecutor told the jury,

"The main plot points in Jay's story have been consistent. He tells them that consistently, Jay 'has always given the same story about what the defendant did where. Consistently, he tells Jennifer a consistent story, he tells police a consistent story about the defendant, he tells consistently the defendant's involvement, the defendant's actions on that day. He has never wavered on that point.'" (Episode 5.)

On the podcast, after quoting this portion of the prosecutor's opening argument, Koenig makes the following remark:

That is a lot of consistently-s and while, maybe it's not great oratory, it does have the advantage of being true. In Jay's statements, while the particulars shifted, the spine of his story did not." (Episode 5.)

Wait, what? Jay tells a "consistent" story? Jay has been "consistent" on the main points?

Koenig keeps using that word. I don't think it means what she thinks it means.

Both the prosecutor and Koenig seem to think Jay has earned the distinction of being "consistent" because Jay has been consistent about the fact that Hae was murdered and that Adnan is the one who did it. Okay yes, it is true, Jay's stories have been completely consistent on those points. But that's not the kind of "consistency" that makes a witness's testimony credible.

Let's review some of the things that Jay has not been consistent about. But keep in mind - I don't have access to the full police statements or the trial transcripts. I have only seen the bits that were deemed interesting enough to make it onto the show or the appellate briefs. And when a witness is lying, it is often in the boring questions, in the innocuous minutiae, that a witness's lies start falling apart. It's not so hard to remember one big story, but it's awfully hard to remember all the practical details of an imaginary event. So whatever inconsistencies I have laid out here, I can promise that there are going to be a whole helluva lot more in the totality of the transcripts.

But just from the excerpts that are publicly available, the list of things Jay has been inconsistent about is already getting pretty dang impressive.
Reasons Why Adnan Killed Hae:

1. Because "Hae made him mad" (trial testimony).

2. Because Hae "had broken his heart" (Jay's Second Interview).

3. Because "Adnan confronted Hae about flirting with . . . a car salesman and when she called Adnan crazy, he snapped and strangled her" (Episode 8) (Jay's Story to Chris).

Whether Adnan Planned Hae's Murder in Advance:

1. Yes (Jay's Second Interview) (Adnan told Jay, "I think I'm going to kill her, yeah I'm going to kill her.").

2. No (Episode 8) (Adnan "snapped and strangled her.").

Number of Times Adnan Told Jay That He Was Going to Kill Hae:

1. Once (Trial Testimony).

2. A lot (Jay's Second Interview).

Number of Days Before Hae's Murder That Adnan Told Jay He Was Going to Kill Her:

1. Same day (Jay's First Interview).

2. One day (Jay's Second Interview).

3. Four to five days (Jay's Second Interview).

When Does Adnan Ask Jay to Help Dispose of Hae's Body:

1. On the morning of January 12th, while he and Jay are shopping (Jay's Second Interview) (Detective: "However, the whole purpose of him being with you that day was to ask you for your assistance?" Jay: "Yes." Detective: "Of killing her?" Jay: "Yes, not some much in killing her, but in dispose.").

2. On the evening of January 12th, while he and Jay are talking on the phone (Jay's Second Interview) (Detective: "What was that conversation. What made you think that ah, January the 13th, would be the day that Adnan would kill Hae?" Jay: "He told me um, that we're gonna hook up the next day and that, he said, he said that's what he said, I gonna do it, I'm gonna kill her.").

3. On the morning of January 13th, while he and Jay are shopping (Jay's First Interview) ("On my birthday, on the evening of my birthday um Adnan called me and we chatted ah we made plans for the next day evening. That morning he called me and we took .... we were going to the Mall. He asked me if I could do him a favor.").

4. On the afternoon of January 13th, when he makes the "come-and-get-me" call (Jay's Second Interview) ("[Adnan] never asked me until like, he asked me to come and get him. It's wasn't anything of disposing the body. He never asked me none of that until the actual day.").

Whether Jay Tells Jenn that Adnan Had Plans to Kill Hae:

1. Yes, on January 12th (Jay's Second Interview) ("I told [Jenn] what the conversation me and Adnan had had earlier that day [about killing Hae]. And he reaction was just
about the same").

2. Yes, on January 13th, before going to pick up Adnan from Best Buy (Jay's Second Interview) (Detective: "Jenn never really like Hae, correct?" Jay: "Yeah, I mean." Detective: "So I mean, did she actually even care?" Jay: "Not really.").

3. No (Trial Testimony).

Places Where Adnan Killed Hae:

1. In her car in the parking lot at the Best Buy (Jay's Second Interview).

2. In her car in the parking lot at the Woodlawn Library (Jay's Story to Chris).

3. Jay has no idea (Jay's Story to Jenn).

4. Patapsco State Park (Jay's Third Interview).

Places Where Adnan Showed Hae's Body to Jay:

1. At Edmondson Avenue (Jay's First Interview).

2. At the Best Buy (Jay's Second Interview).

3. Never, Jay was with Adnan in Patapsco State Park when he killed her (Jay's Third Interview).

4. At Franklintown Road (Brief of Appellant at 12) (Detective MacGillivary testified "that [Jay] told him that [Adnan] showed him Hae's body in the trunk on Franklintown Road").

5. At a pool hall in Catonsville (Episode 8) ("[Jay] was shooting pool, Adnan called him he was like 'yo, I gotta talk to you,' and he was like 'yo I'm busy.' 'Yo, where are you' and he told him where he was. Adnan showed up and he's like 'oh I gotta talk to you' and he's like- this was a little tug of war for a while and Adnan eventually convinced him to come outside with him and his car or, I.").

6. At a gas station (Jay's Story to Tayyib).

7. Outside of Jay's grandmother's house (Intercept Interview).

Did Adnan Show Jay Hae's Body When It Was in a Car Trunk:

1. Yes, the body was in the trunk of Hae's car (Trial Testimony).

2. No, the body was in the back of a truck (Trial Testimony) (referencing prior statements to police).

When Does Jay Go to McDonald's:

1. After picking Adnan up from track (Jay's First Interview).

2. While waiting for Adnan to come back from the Park'N'Ride with Hae's car so they can bury the body (Episode 5).

When Does Jay Go to Patapsco State Park:

1. After 2:15 p.m., to help Adnan kill and/or dispose of Hae, because "[Adnan] killed Hae in Patapsco State Park," and "[Adnan] paid [Jay] to help" (Jay's Third Interview).

2. At 4:30 p.m., after ditching Hae's car and after buying weed. Once there, while "standing . . . at this cliff and [Adnan] starts telling [Jay]about how it was when he killed her," while they watch the "[s]un getting ready to hit mountain tops" (Episode 5). They are there for "[t]wenty minutes to a half an hour" (id.). (And yet somehow Adnan makes it back to Woodlawn in time for track.)

3. After 6:30 p.m., after leaving Cathy's and retrieving Hae's car (Episode 5).

4. Never (Trial Testimony).

Malls that Jay Says He Went Shopping at to Get a Present for Stephanie:

1. Westview Mall (Jay's First Interview).

2. Security Square Mall (Jay's Second Interview).

People Who Smoke Weed After Ditching Hae's Car:

1. Jay and Adnan (Trial Testimony from First Trial).

2. Just Jay (Trial Testimony from Second Trial).

Person Who Drives Adnan's Car to the Park'n'Ride After the Police Call Adnan to Ask About Hae:

1. Jay (Jay's First Interview) ("[Adnan] said take him back to the Park and Ride, I took
him back to the Park and Ride um he told me follow him, drove me all aroundinaudible").

2. Adnan (Jay's Second interview) (Detective: "And you get back in the car?" Jay: "Yes we get back in his car, he's driving." Detective: "And were do you go?" Jay: "We go back to 70 Parking Ride.").

Time that Hae Was Buried in Leakin Park:

1. Around 7:00 p.m. (Jay's First and Second Interviews and Trial Testimony).

2. Midnight (Intercept Interview).

People Who Dug Hae's Grave:

1. Just Adnan (Jay's First Interview).

2. Adnan and Jay (Jay's Second Interview).

Number of Shovels Used to Bury Hae:

1. One shovel (Jay's First Interview) ("Um, you guys might be able to find some dirt in [Adnan's] car . . .[f]rom both of our[ shoes], a shovel was in there to.").

2. Two shovels (Jay's Second Interview) ("There's two shovels that are kept with tools next to my porch. . . Um, he grabs the shovels and says we have to get rid of the body.").

Where the Shovel(s) Used to Bury Hae Were Thrown Away:

1. Super Fresh (Trial Testimony).

2. Westview Mall (Jay's Story to Jenn).

Where Jay's Clothes and Boots Were Thrown Away:

1. At Jay's house, on the night of the murder (Jay's First Interview).

2. At the F&M, on the night of Jay's murder, except for his boots, which were thrown away at Jay's house on the day following the murder (Jay's Second Interview).

3. At the Super Fresh, on the night of Jay's murder (Appellant's Brief at 10).

Where Jenn Picked Up Jay After Hae's Body Was Buried:

1. At Jay's home, where Adnan had dropped him off (Trial Testimony).

2. At Westview Mall in front of Value City (Int.2 at 58-59) (discussing statements made in first interview).

3. Other places (Trial Testimony) (noting that "[Jay] told the police different stories about where Jenn[] picked himup on January 13").

Where Adnan Removed Hae's Belongings from Her Car and Put Them in His Car:

1. At the I-70 Park'n'Ride (Jay's Second Interview) ("We went to the Route 70 parking lot . . . he got out of the car and proceeded to go through the trunk and the back seat and ah, several items he picked up . . . And then he came over to his car, um, told me to pop the trunk. I popped the trunk, he placed a whole bunch of items in the trunk. . . Um, I know one of them to be his track bag. It's a black bag with ah, white writing on it. The other look like a book bag, a black book bag with a brown bottom and ah, like her keys, um, and her wallet").

2. At Edmondson Avenue, after ditching Hae's car (Jay's Second Interview) ("Um, oh he stops and he digs in [Hae's] car some I don't know what he was getting, he dug in the car some more, parked it, took the keys with him and came and got in the other car . . . Um, the only items I definite that were hers that he had, he had her wallet with all of her, all of her identification, um credit cards, all that, her keys definite."); (Jay's First Interview) ("After he moved [Hae's car] to the second spot [off Edmondson] then he got out [her] car and acted like he was carrying her purse and her wallet [and her book bag] and he had some other stuff in his hand and ah.").

Number of Times Jay Goes to Cathy's House That Day:

1. Zero times (Jay's First Interview).

2. Three times (Jay's Second Interview).

Does Adnan Threaten to Have a "West Side Hit Man" Kill Jay:

1. Yes (Jay's First Interview).

2. No (All Other statements).

Times That Jay Promised He Is Telling The Truth But Later Admits He Was Lying:

1. Jay's First Interview (Jay: "I was as honest as I possibly can remember - I mean, truthfully honest.").

2. Jay's Second Interview (Detective: "The taped interview that you've given us right now - is that the truth?" Jay: "To the best that I can possibly, humanly at this point and time remember. That is the truth.")

3. Jay's Third Interview ("[Jay] gave a third statement on April 13, 1999, and admitted that he lied on the two previous occasions to cover up the fact that he bought and sold marijuana.") (CoSA Opinion at 6-7).

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. But you know what? All of those inconsistencies are irrelevant, compared to this final one:
Number of Pretrial Statements in Which Jay Lied to the Police:

All of them. (Brief of Appellant at 40) ("It was not contested [at trial] that [Jay] had lied in every pretrial statement he gave to the police.").

Keep in mind, there were at least four of these pretrial statements: the February 28, 1999 interview; the March 15, 1999 interview; the March 18, 1999 written itinerary; and the April 13, 1999 interview. And Jay gave different stories in all of them. Not to mention that he later gave a completely new story still, in his testimony at trial.

In fact, on the day of Jay's first interview with the police, he gave at least two entirely different stories. The first story, which was not tape recorded, was wholly different from the taped interview, and according to a detective, it had "a lot of inconsistencies. . . too many to go over":

Detective: Prior to us turning the tape on - we had a conversation with you.
Jay: Yes.
Detective: And during that conversation we spoke probably for about a half hour, forty-five minutes, the information that you provided during this interview was it the same information that you provided during the first interview?
Jay: No.
Detective: During the first interview there were a lot of inconsistencies.
Jay: Yes.
Detective: And there are too many to go over but you kind of disassociated yourself from all the information you provided in this interview. Why is that?
Jay: Scared.
Detective: All the information you provided during this interview has it been the complete truth?
Jay: To the best of my knowledge. (Int.1, at 24-25.)

So right off the bat, Jay's stories are wildly inconsistent - both internally inconsistent, and inconsistent with statements that he makes at later times. In fact, throughout all of Jay's stories, only the following facts remain consistent: (1) Adnan killed Hae sometime in the afternoon of January 13, 1999; (2) Jay was at Jenn's house until 3:40 p.m.; (3) Hae's car was initially ditched at the Park'n'Ride; (4) Adnan went to track practice that day; and (5) she was later buried in Leakin Park. Nothing else stays the same.

Corroboration of the Witness's Testimony By Other Evidence

A witness's testimony may be shown credible, even if that witness does not have inherently credibility, is biased, or has given inconsistent statements, when his testimony is nevertheless corroborated by other evidence. However, in order for evidence to be corroborative - that is, to be able to demonstrate that a witness was telling the truth - the evidence must have come from a source that is independent of the witness's testimony. When such corroborative evidence does exist, that corroboration is objective evidence from which it can be concluded that the witness was likely to be telling the truth - at least in that particular aspect of his testimony.

Jay's testimony was in fact corroborated in significant respects:

1. Jay's testimony that he buried Hae was corroborated by the fact he knew where she was buried, and how she was positioned in the grave.

2. Jay's testimony that he ditched Hae's car was corroborated by the fact that he knew where her car had been left.

So even though Jay is not a credible witness, we can, with a fair amount of confidence, credit those two major portions of his testimony, as they could be verified by independent and external evidence (i.e., Jay's story about the burial did in fact match what police discovered at the scene, Jay's story about the car was true because he did in fact lead the police to it). As a result, Jay's involvement in both the burial and disposing of the car are about the most solidly confirmed facts that we have in this case.

But even if Jay's testimony is corroborated in those respects, that does not mean his testimony provides credible evidence against Adnan. Because even though Jay's testimony is corroborated as to his involvement in Hae's murder, his testimony is not corroborated as to Adnan's involvement in the murder.

Not a single claim that Jay has made about Adnan's culpability for Hae's murder can be verified by independent and external evidence. Not the time that Adnan allegedly called Jay for a ride after killing Hae (there's no 3:45 p.m. incoming call), not that Adnan was in Leakin Park on the night of Hae's murder (cell records show no calls to Adnan's friends from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.), not that Adnan buried Hae's body (no physical evidence at crime scene), and not that Adnan had any contact whatsoever with Hae after 2:15 p.m. that day (no witnesses or physical evidence that Hae and Adnan were ever in contact after school let out).

Although the state claimed that Jay's testimony was corroborated by Adnan's cell phone records, this is not the case. Because in order to be corroborative, evidence must not only be consistent with a witness's testimony, it must also be independent of it. Jay's testimony at trial may have had some demonstrable consistencies with the cell phone records (although there were still mountains of inconsistencies between his story and the records, even at trial), but the cell phone records were not corroborative, because they were not independent from that testimony.

First, as a simple matter of math, the more stories that a witness tells, the more likely it becomes that the witness will have told a story that actually matches up with the truth. For example, if a witness is asked to identify the make of a defendant's getaway vehicle, and says, "Hyundai, Ford, Jeep, Tesla, Lamborghini," then that witness's testimony about seeing the car drive away from the crime scene cannot be said to have been "corroborated" if it later turns out that the car was, in fact, a Ford.

That's what happened here with Jay's police statements. He gave details about Hae's murder - lots of details. And while most of his stories were clearly fabrications, some of the bits and pieces that he told to the cops were not so obviously false. For example, Jay told one friend that the murder happened in Catonsville, told another friend that the murder happened at Best Buy, and told the cops that the murder happened at Edmondson Avenue. But which is the "true" answer? Well, the cell phone records show that two of those stories can't be true, but they don't disprove the Best Buy story. So the cops went with that, because hey, it's confirmed by the evidence, isn't it?

This method of developing Jay's story left the prosecution with a lot of options to choose from, when it came to figuring out what their star witness was going to be bound by his plea bargain to say at trial. In making it's case against Adnan, the state could rummage through Jay's testimony, take little from column A, take a little from column B, add in a little bit of totally new stuff, and voila - they've got testimony which sort of matches the physical evidence and communications data! Or, at least, which can't as easily be shown to have been a blatant lie.

But it gets worse than that. Jay did not just have an opportunity to make lots of guesses, and then pick and choose from those guesses later when developing his trial testimony. Jay was actually permitted to make statements that were based on the investigator's independent evidence of what had occurred on that day:

"[Detective] MacGillivary interviewed [Jay] a second time on March 15, 1999, with [Adnan's] cell phone records, and noticed that [Jay] statement did not match up to the records. Once confronted with the cell phone records, [Jay] 'remembered things a lot better.'" (Brief of Appellant at 11.)

In order for evidence to corroborate a witness's story - that is, to demonstrate that a witness was telling the truth - the corroborating evidence has to come from an independent source. But when a witness's story is created by using the "corroborating" evidence as a reference, then that evidence doesn't prove anything about the veracity of the witness's account. Because, as should be self-evident, if you tell a witness, "I know your story is a lie if you tell me you did something other than 'XYZ,'" and the witness then tells you, "I did 'XYZ,'" that's not evidence that the witness is telling the truth. It's just evidence that the witness is not a complete idiot.

Here, Jay was told what portions of his story were contradicted by the cell phone records, and also why those portions were contradicted. For instance, when Jay claimed, on March 18th, that he and Adnan had called Patrick to buy weed immediately after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, Jay was confronted by the police with the fact that his story could not be true, because he had made a call to Jenn at 3:21 p.m., before ever calling Patrick to "look for weed" (Episode 5). So by the time trial comes around, Jay has fixed his story: "oh, I was calling Jenn because I needed to find out if Patrick was home."

By giving Jay at least four interviews and a ride-along, and by challenging Jay each time his story did not match the known evidence, the police informed Jay of what parts of his story they could disprove, and - just as significantly - they also implicitly told Jay which parts of his story they could not disprove. For instance, in the second interview, when questioning Jay about where Hae's body was discovered, they (1) explicitly alerted Jay to the fact that another witness (Jenn) was giving a story that didn't match his; and (2) implicitly alerted Jay to the fact that they had not discovered any evidence - such as security cameras - that could prove or disprove that the murder happened there.

So it's no surprise that, as the investigation went on, and as Jay was interviewed more and more often, the story that Jay told began to fit the evidence "a lot better." And the resulting consistencies between his story and the known facts are in no way evidence that Jay had finally decided to start telling the truth.
Conclusion:
The ultimate question here is not whether or not we can determine if Jay is telling the truth about Adnan's involvement in Hae's murder. The question is whether Jay's testimony is significant evidence of Adnan's guilty.

And it is not. The testimony that Jay gave at Adnan's trial can be equally explained by the theory that Adnan murdered Hae, or by the theory that which Jay murdered Hae without Adnan's involvement. Because regardless of what actually happened, Jay could be expected to give the exact same testimony. Jay's testimony therefore does not increase or decrease the probability that Adnan is actually guilty of Hae's murder.

-Susan

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[ Edit, 1/17/2015: In the two months since this post was written, substantially more evidence concerning the events of January 13, 1999, has been released. As a result, I have completely revised my opinion on numerous matters discussed herein.

This post has therefore been updated to add new and more accurate maps. However, I have not yet updated much of the accompanying text, and much of my current interpretation of the cellphone data is substantially different from what it was when this post was first written.]

Like everyone else in the world, I've been listening to For those who haven't listened in yet, Serial is a weekly podcast covering the murder of 18-year-old Hae Min Lee, who was killed on January 13, 1999. Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was subsequently convicted of first-degree murder and kidnapping, and is currently serving a life sentence. (And if you haven't listened to the podcast yet, turn back now and come back when you have. Otherwise, the minutiae of these cell phone records won't be interesting in the slightest.)

The evidence against Adnan was complicated and deeply ambiguous. That's unsurprising - after all, there's a reason his case was chosen to be the subject Serial's first season. But while there's much we do not know about the the investigation into Hae's murder and the state's case against Adnan, based on what the show has covered so far, and what has been made publicly available about Adnan's two trials, there are many reasons to be unsettled by his conviction. Even for those who think Adnan probably did plot and carry out the murder of his ex-girlfriend - and there are plenty who do - it is hard to say that there wasn't room for some very reasonable doubts about his guilt.

Legally, there was sufficient evidence to support Adnan's conviction; he's not going to win any appeals there. An eye witness - Jay, Adnan's weed dealer and casual friend - testified to his guilt. But while the jury always has the right to determine whether a witness is telling the truth, it does not appear that, in this case, there was any objective basis for crediting Jay's testimony against Adnan (as discussed in further detail at Serial: Why Jay's Testimony Is Not Credible Evidence of Adnan's Guilt).

Other than Jay's testimony, the only evidence that Adnan had any connection with Hae's murder came from his cell phone records. As a result, understanding what those cell records show, and do not show, is a highly significant part of the case. Provided below is a summary of the data from each of the 31 calls made to or from Adnan's cell phone that day - including the time, who the call was to, the duration, and the cell phone tower that the call was routed through - and a summary of how that data compares to the testimony and statements given by key witnesses in the case.

A note on the significance of the location data: It should be stressed that the tower data - that is, the record of the tower and antenna that a call was routed through - provides us with a probabilistic (and not determinative) location for where each call was made or received from. Moreover, the maps below use an oversimplified division of likely cell tower territories based purely on distances between towers, and does not take other factors into account. The fact that any particular call may have been routed through any particular tower and antenna does not mean that the call was actually made or received from within the territory immediately adjacent to that tower/antenna; calls can be routed through towers other than the one they are closest to for any number of reasons, and two calls made from the exact same location, within minutes of one another, could end up being routed through different towers. As a result, it should be assumed that some of the 31 calls made from Adnan's phone that day were made or received from a tower other than the one the phone was closest to at the time of the call.

Taken in the aggregate, however, the tower data is very useful for assessing the likely path followed by whoever had the cell phone that day. Additionally, by comparing the tower data against both the witnesses' known events of the day, and with the movement of the cell phone as shown from the calls that occurred before and after, we can make a good prediction as to the accuracy of the tower data for each call individually.

As there was no testimony at trial concerning the actual ranges of these towers, the below maps assume a conservative tower range of approximately two miles.
Prosecution's Story:
On the morning of January 13th, Adnan calls Jay from school, and then during his free period drives over to Jay's house to pick him up. Adnan plans to kill Hae that afternoon, so he leave his car and cell phone with Jay, so that Jay can pick him up after the murder has been committed.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, he called Jay from school to make sure Jay remembered to get a birthday present for his girlfriend, Stephanie. Adnan and Stephanie are also close friends, and he did not want her to be upset if Jay forgot to get her something:

I kind of had a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a gift. And I had free periods during school. So it was not abnormal for me to leave school to go do something and then come back. So I went to his house. And I asked him, did you happen to get a present for Stephanie? He said no. So I said, if you want to, you can drop me back off to school. You can borrow my car. And you can go to the mall and get her a gift or whatever. Then just come pick me up after track practice that day. (Episode 1.)

Jay's Stories:
Jay says that, on the morning of January 13th, Adnan called him from school and then drove over to pick him up, and they go shopping together. In some of Jay's statements, he claims that this was the first time he learned of the murder plan. In other statements, he claims he had learned of the plan the previous day. Although he sometimes also claims that parts of the murder were planned over the phone, Jay's stories generally claim Adnan enlisted his help in carrying out Hae's murder while the two of them were on a shopping trip together. However, he is inconsistent as to which shopping trip this was.

The Shopping Trip on January 12th: One of Jay's stories involves Adnan and Jay discussing Hae's murder during a shopping trip that occurred on January 12, 1999 - the day before Hae's murder. Jay informs Jenn of Adnan's plan to murder Hae, but she does not react to this news:

[I] went shopping with a friend of mine, an ex-friend of mine and ah, we ah, went to ah, ah, I just believe we went to Wal-Mart. . . . We had had a conversation. . . During the conversation he stated, um, that he was going to kill that bitch, referring to Hae Lee. . . . Ah, I didn't, I took it with contexts and stand out my inaudible. We went, he dropped, he returned me to my house ah, I paged [Jenn] um no I'm sorry. Yes I paged [Jenn], um, we went to the [ ] park. . . There I told her the conversation me and Adnan had had earlier that day. And her reaction was just about the same and then . . . Returned home about 10 o'clock, received
another call from Adnan. This time he had told me ah, that we're gonna hook up tomorrow. And that was it for the 12th. (Jay's Second Interview on March 15, 1999) (herein "Int.2").

The Shopping Trip on January 13th: Jay's other story involves a shopping trip that instead takes place on January 13th, before Hae's murder. Adnan calls Jay from school (the 10:45 a.m. call), and then goes to pick Jay up at his house:

I believe [Adnan] called me first. Um, he probably showed up at about 11, a little after 11 , 11:30, 11, 11:30 (Int.2 at 5).

That morning [on January 13th] [Adnan] called me and we took .... we were going to the Mall. He asked me if I could do him a favor. . . [Adnan called my house] a little after ten, about ten forty-five, quarter to eleven. I woke .... that is when I woke up. I showered so it was about an hour before I left. Ah we left the house, on the way to the Mall he asked me if I could do him a favor. . . (Int.1 at 2.)

Jay also confirms, in response to a detective's question, that Adnan "came to [Jay's] house about quarter of twelve, [ ] about an hour [ ] after he called" ( id.).

In his statements concerning the shopping trip on January 13, Jay's stories about what mall he and Adnan went to are not consistent. He names two different locations:

[W]e headed toward Westview mall. Um, we did a little shopping together. (Jay's First Interview on February 28, 1999) (herein "Int.1").

We went to Security Square Mall. (Int.2.)

Explanatory Note: This call is likely a good example of the tower data not guaranteeing that a call was made/received from the area typically covered by the the tower/antenna it ends up being routed through. There is no reason for the 12:07 p.m. call to have been made in the shaded territory - it doesn't fit any narratives, and no other calls are ever routed through L668. The most likely explanation is that the call was made within the territory typically covered by the tower directly to the west of L668, which is L651 - the Woodlawn tower.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go shopping together for a little while at Security Square Mall (just south of Best Buy ("BBPL"). Adnan tells Jay of his plan to kill Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he did not go shopping with Jay, and went back to school at around 11:30 a.m. However, he let Jay borrow his car and cell phone, so that Jay could go buy a birthday present for Stephanie, who is also a close friend of Adnan's. He tells Jay he will call after track practice so that Jay can come pick him up.
Jay's Story:
In his second interview, Jay tells the police that Adnan comes over and they go shopping for a birthday present for Stephanie. After a while, Jay says,

We left the mall. I took him to school. I dropped him off in the back of the school. He went up to class. He left his cell phone in the car with me, told me he'd call me. I went back to my friend Jenn's house and waited for him to call. (Int.1 at 7.)

When asked what time he dropped Adnan back off at school, he says it was between 12:45 and 1:15 p.m. ( id.).

At trial, Jay testified that:

On the way [back] to school, [Adnan] talked about his relationship with Hae, and said it was not going well. [Jay] testified that [Adnan] seemed hurt rather than angry. [Jay] then testified that [Adnan] said Hae made him mad and said, "I am going to kill that bitch." [Adnan] told [Jay] he could drop [Adnan] off at school and take [Adnan's] car as long as he picked [Adnan] up later. [Adnan] gave [Jay] [Adnan's] cell phone so that he could call [Jay] when he was ready to be picked up." (Appellant's Brief at 7.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that on the morning of January 13th, she and Jay made plans to hang out:

From work I called Jay. I asked if he wanted to come to my house and hang out. He said "sure swing by and pick him up." Um then he got back in touch with me to let me know not to come and get him that he would be at my house. Between . . . Twelve-thirty and one I got back to my house, between one and one-thirty Jay arrived at my house. (Jenn Int. at 1.).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call indicates that Jay is not at Jenn's house as of 12:07, as Jay would not have any reason to call "Jenn Home" if he were. Since Jenn says she was at work and did not get home until 12:30 or 1 p.m., Jay could not have spoken to her when he called her home. This means that this call cannot be the call that Jenn mentions when she says that Jay "got back in touch with me"; it is unclear how Jay got in touch with her.

It is worth noting that Jay's grandmother's house is within the range of the L652A tower.
Prosecution's Story:
After Adnan and Jay go shopping, Jay drops Adnan back off at school, and then drives Adnan's car to Jenn's house where he hangs out while awaiting Adnan's call.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is back at Woodlawn.
Jay's Story:
Jay says that he dropped Adnan back off at school after class. In both his first and second statements to the police, the detectives make sure that Jay clarifies he dropped Adnan off in the rear of the building (Int.1 at 3, 5; Int.2 at 6).

In his first statement, Jay said that after dropping Adnan off, he immediately went to his friend's Jenn's house. Jenn was not home, so he started playing video games with Jenn's 15-year-old brother, Mark. Then, "a little while [later] [Mark's] sister [Jenn] came in the house," at approximately 12:45 p.m. (Int.1 at 5).

In his second statement, Jay claims that he gets to Jenn's house at around 12:30, and Jenn gets home "probably about 1:30" (Int.2 at 8-9). He claims that after Jenn arrives at the house, they hang around all day, only leaving her house once:

Later that afternoon we had went out to her car. I think we had ran to the store, come back to get some soda or something like that. And we sitting in [Jenn's] car and I told her that ah, I think that ah, Adnan was gonna kill Hae. (Int.2 at 9.)

At trial, Jay's story changed somewhat (perhaps to account for the fairly obvious fact he did not spend the whole afternoon at Jenn's house, as he claimed in his first two police statements). He testified that, after dropping Adnan off at school, he called his friend Jenn at 12:07 p.m., and then "went to her home and played video games with Jen's brother Mark for about 30 minutes. Jen[n] was not home. [Jay] then left with Mark to go back to the mall. . . [H]e and Mark returned to Mark's house and Jen[n] was there." (Appellant's Brief at 7-8.) Jay also does not testify, like he told the police in the second interview, that he informed Jenn of Adnan's plan to kill Hae.

Additional note: to date, I have seen no explanation for why Jenn's 15-year-old brother was at home playing video games at noon on a Wednesday.
Jenn's Story:
In her statement to the police, Jenn claimed that she arrived at her home first, and Jay showed up about an hour later:

So want to say I got home probably between twelve-thirty and one and than I want to say that Jay got there probably between one and one-thirty, maybe as late a two, but I don't want to... I don't think it was that late. I think it was around one-thirty. So Jay gets there around one-thirty and we played video games, hang out. (Jenn's Police Interview at 6) (herein "Jenn Int.").

I remember Jay got to my house, he said he was wait... he sat the phone down on the coffee table and he said "I'm waiting for a phone call." I was like you know, "who's going to call you, what's" you know his cell phone... cell phone's out whatever, like it's just a cell phone... he was like "I'm suppose to get a call around three thirty" and I said "okay" and he said "that's when I'm leaving, around three-thirty when I get the phone call." (Jenn Int. at 9.)

Jenn says Jay later left her house sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 (Episode 4).

At trial, Jenn testified that on January 13, 1999, "[Jay] came over to her house in a tan car to hang out with her and her brother. [Jay] was acting different, not relaxed, and had a cell phone which was unusual. [Jay] said he was waiting for a call." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The fact that Jay calls "Jenn Home" shows that Jay is not at Jenn's house at 12:45 that day. Although this contradicts Jay's first story to the police, in which he claims to have gotten to Jenn's at around 12:30 p.m., by the time of Adnan's trial his story has been changed to say that he did not get to Jenn's house until around 1 p.m that day.

The timeline of when Jay and Jenn arrived at Jenn's house is never resolved, however, as both Jay and Jenn claim to have been the first person to have arrived at Jenn's house. Jay's first story is that he arrived at 12:30 p.m. and Jenn arrived at 1:30 p.m.; Jenn's story is that she arrived at 12:30 p.m., and Jay arrived at 1:30 p.m. At trial, Jay tells a completely new story to try and explain this fact: he claims that he went to Jenn's house at around 1 p.m., but she was not home, so he and Jenn's brother went to the mall to shop. When Jay and Jenn's brother returned from shopping, Jenn was home.

Significantly, the tower data for the 12:41 p.m. call contradicts all known narratives of what was occurring during this time period. The call pings a tower fives mile to the east of Jenn's house, close to downtown Baltimore, which makes its very unlikely that Jay was at Jenn's house at 12:41 p.m., or even that he was near Woodlawn or Security Square Mall. There is no explanation for what Jay was doing downtown at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Adnan's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay only mentions receiving or making one call before Hae's death, and that is a call from Adnan to the cell phone at 3:40 p.m. to tell Jay to pick him up. Jay says he received this call while at Jenn's house:

Detective: About three o'clock, so he . ... you're waiting around, he finally calls about three-forty?
Jay: Yes.

In Jay's second statement, Jay says that he had left Jenn's house and was driving somewhere else when Adnan called for a pickup. He says instead that he received three calls on the cell phone from Adnan while at Jenn's house, but that none of these calls were requesting a pickup:

Detective: [H]ow many phone calls did you receive?
Jay: 3.
Detective: And what was the nature of the calls?
Jay: Um, one was ah, to check and see if the phone was on.
Detective: And who made that call?
Jay: Adnan. Um, the other, the other was ah, the other was, I was telling him that I was gonna be there. That's where I was gonna be at, that was the 2nd one. And the 3rd one, I can't, it was very short, I can't remember what we conversated about. (Int.2 at 11.)

This indicates that the detectives have showed Jay the call records, and have asked Jay to explain each call on the list. The three incoming calls Jay is talking about must necessarily be the 12:43, 2:36, and 3:15 p.m. calls. At trial, the prosecution disregards this statement from Jay, and argues that the 2:36 p.m. call is Adnan's "come-and-get-me-call" from Best Buy. At the time of Jay's second interview, however, this theory had not been developed yet, and the detectives are still accepting Jay's story that Adnan did not call for a pick up until about 3:40 p.m. So their questions assume these three calls were made while Jay was at Jenn's.

This left the detectives with a problem. Since Adnan's cell records show no incoming call at 3:40 p.m., how did Adnan call at 3:40 p.m. for a pickup? Simple - he must have called Jenn's landline! So they ask Jay about that:

When asked to explain what he and Adnan discussed during the landline call, though, Jay gives an answer that does not help the detectives, because he doesn't say it was the "come-and-get-me" call:

Jay: Um, [Adnan] had told me he was, he inaudible, he was gonna need me to pick him up at a certain time, that was 3:30. I waited until 3:30, he didn't call, I left he house, ah with his car and cell phone. (Int.2 at 11.)

A little while later, the detectives ask Jay about the landline call again, suggesting that Adnan had given instructions to Jay, and asking Jay to describe those instructions. Instead, Jay just gives a new answer entirely:

Detective: And that [landline call] was giving you instructions or what was the phone conversation?
Jay: Ah, I'm leaving school. He told me he was leaving school then. (Int.2 at 11.)

Jay claims that the "come-and-get-me" call did not occur until a few minutes later, after leaving Jenn's house:

Jay: I left Jenn's house because [Adnan] didn't call me at the time that he said he was. And at that time I was half way between my house and [redacted]'s house. And he told me to meet him at Best Buy. (Int.2 at 12.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that she and Jay spent the afternoon "at [her] house, talked, listened to the radio played video games, played with my dog" (Jenn Int. at 9.) While Jay was at her house, Jay received two phone calls:

Um I don't want to say ..... I want to say that he wasn't ..... they weren't very long, they .... I think they were like inaudible and to the point like I don't think they sat down like inaudible or whatever on the phone. I don' t think... I mean I really don't remember exactly but I. (Jenn Int. at 9).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone is almost certainly not at Jenn's house, but is instead closer to downtown Baltimore.
The Prosecution's Story:
After Woodlawn let out at 2:15 p.m., Adnan caught a ride in Hae's car, and then strangled her to death in the Best Parking Lot ("BBPL"). At 2:36 p.m., Adnan used a pay phone outside of Best Buy to call his cell phone (which Jay had), and Adnan told Jay to pick him up. (Note: For various reasons, the prosecution's theory of the 2:36 call is not likely to be correct. It is not based on the testimony of any witness, and cannot be squared by known timelines, but it is the only call the prosecution can identify that might have come from Adnan. It is much more likely, however, that as of 2:36 p.m., Hae was still alive.)
Adnan's Story:
After school let out, he probably would have gone to the library and checked his e-mail, while waiting for track practice to start, which either begins at 3:30 (Episode 1), (Appellant's Brief at 5); or at 4:00 p.m. (Episode 5).
Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that Jay was waiting for a phone call, and planned to leave her house when he received it. Jay received several calls while he was at her house, but that he did not leave her house until sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 p.m.:

[Jay] just said he was waiting for a call and it was going to come around three-thirty, three forty-five, um Jay got a call and then I don't know what was said to him in conversation um than Jay got another call, got off the phone and then another call came in and I don't know if it was the same person or who it was and I don't know whether it was on my phone or whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. Um then Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen. (Jenn Int. at 1-2.)

Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, he says he spent the day at Jenn's house waiting or Adnan to call. Adnan told Jay he would call at around 3 p.m., but he actually calls at around 3:40 p.m.:

In Jay's second interview, he gives the exact same time for the call:

Jay is very consistent about Adnan calling to be picked up at 3:40 p.m.; however, we know from the cell phone records that his claim cannot be true.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone records show that, at 2:36 p.m., the cell phone was pinging through the Woodlawn tower. Because the phone records also show that Jay was not at Jenn's house from 12pm to 3:40pm (as he and Jenn have claimed), that leaves us with the following: (1) Jay was in vicinity of Hae's last-known location at the time that she went missing; and (2) Jay has no alibi for where he was during that time period.

Additional Note: Jay's explanation for why he lied about where the trunk pop occurred is completely nonsensical - or, at least, it is if you assume that Jay isn't lying about everything else. Jay's answer only makes sense if, in fact, that is the only question that Jay has actually answered truthfully. He's telling the truth about why he lied.

Because the reason Jay lied about where Hae was murdered was because he was worried there might have been cameras at that location. And if the police checked those cameras, they would see that it had been Jay, not Adnan, who was in the parking lot with Hae. Hence, in Jay's first statement, he gave the police a made up location, far away from Best Buy. But by the time of Jay's second interview, he had learned that Jenn had told the police about where Hae had been killed, and that there were in fact no cameras at that location.
The Prosecution's Story:
After receiving a call from Adnan at 2:36 p.m., Jay picks up Adnan from the Best Buy Parking Lot. Adnan then shows him Hae's body in the trunk of her car. They leave the Best Buy, with Adnan driving Hae's car and Jay driving Adnan's car, and head to the I-70 Park'n'Ride ("I70PnR"), where Adnan ditches Hae's car. Both Jay and Adnan get into Adnan's car and drive away.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.

At trial, Inez Hendricks testified that that Adnan "was on the track team, and practice begins by 3:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 5).
Jay's Stories (Five Versions):
In Jay's first interview, Jay tells the police that he was at Jenn's house from a little after noon until "Adnan called him about 3:45 p.m. saying 'come pick me up.'" Jay explains that he went to pick Adnan up at a location 20 minutes away (marked above with an asterisk), "from off of Edmondson Avenue at a strip," and that when Jay got there, Adnan "popped the trunk open," revealing Hae's body (Jay's 2/28/99 Interview).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that when Adnan called Jay at 3:40 p.m., Adnan told him that "that bitch is dead. Come and get me. I'm at Best Buy." In the same interview, Jay explains why he lied about where he saw the body the first time:

Detective MacGillivary: "Why did you lie about the location?"

Jay: "Uh, I figured there was cameras there or somebody had spotted him doing what he was doing." (Id.)

In Jay's third interview, on April 13, 1999, Jay "told police that [Adnan] killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that [Adnan] paid him to help" (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's fourth story, which he tells his friend Chris, is that he was at a pool hall in Catonsville when Adnan called. Adnan then drove to the pool hall in Hae's car, and that is where the "trunk pop" occurs.

Jay's fifth story, which he tells his friend Tayyib, is that:

Jay told Tayib that Adnan had called Jay the day before asking for his help in the murder. Jay said his reply to Adnan was that he would not help in the killing of Hae, but he would help Adnan bury the body. Jay further went on to tell Tayib that he met Adnan on the day of the incident at a gas station w[h]ere Adnan showed Jay the body. ( Comment on Tayyib's Statement.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn initially said that Jay was still at her house at the time of this call, because he was there until "well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen." Accordingly, Jay would still have had Adnan's phone at the time of this call. However, at trial, Jenn changes her story, and says instead that Jay left her house that day sometime between 3:00 and 3:30 p.m. (Brief of Appellant at 13).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Whoever has the cell phone appears to have been at or near Woodlawn. There is no evidence as to whom the 3:15 p.m. call was from.
The Prosecution's Story:
After ditching the car at the Park'n'Ride, "to hear Jay tell it, [he and Adnan] just kind of tool around Baltimore County together for a while as if nothing had happened- buy some weed, cruise around, make some calls. After a while, Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn High School." (Episode 1.) While in Adnan's car, with Adnan, Jay makes a call to Jenn to see if his weed dealer, Patrick, is at his home.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.
Jay's Stories:
Jay claims he was at Jenn's house until 3:40 p.m., which means he should still have been at Jenn's house at the time of this call.

If you instead use the timeline offered by the prosecution at trial, which disregards Jay's timeline and claims instead that Jay picked up Adnan from Best Buy shortly after 2:36 p.m., then the 3:21 p.m. call occurred sometime around when Adnan and Jay are at the Park'n'Ride.

In Jay's first and second police statements, he makes no mention of any call to Jenn during the afternoon. Instead, Jay claims, in the ride-along with the police on March 18, 1999, that after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, he and Adnan wanted to find some weed. They then called Jay's friend "Patrick"** to see if he could sell them any, but Patrick was not home, so Jay left a message on Patrick's answering machine (Episode 5). (**Note: The transcript identifies the friend as "Pete," but the call records identify him as "Patrick." It is possible that this is a mistaken transcription, and that Jay said "Pat" during the statement, and it was misheard as "Pete." I have been unable to confirm what Jay actually says, but for now I will assume "Patrick" and "Pete" are the same individual, and refer to him as Patrick.)

At trial, in order to explain this discrepancy, Jay testified that, after ditching Hae's car at the Park'nRide, "he called Jenn [ ] first, at 3:21 to find out if Patrick was home" (Episode 5). When Jenn did not know where Patrick was, he and Adnan then tried calling Patrick, before later giving up and driving to Forrest Park to buy weed from a corner salesman. Jay testified that this call to Jenn was made after he and Adnan had left the Park'n'Ride, and were driving south on Cooks Lane towards Patrick's house (which is off of Edmondson):

Whatever version of the story you go by, Jay's story has two big problems here. First, the Patrick call doesn't happen until 3:59 p.m., a full 40 minutes after Jay made the 3:21 p.m. call to Jenn. And second, the call records show that the call was made while in the area close to Best Buy - not the Park'n'Ride, and not on the way to Patrick's house. Jay is lying about where this call was made, and almost certainly the why as well.
Jenn's Story:
Jenn testified that Jay would not have called her to find out where Patrick was, because "[t]hats just not a thing that would have happened" (Episode 5). This contradicts Jay's story.

It is unclear whether, at trial, Jenn denies ever receiving a call from Jay at 3:21 p.m., or if she only denies that it was to ask about Patrick.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jay cannot be at Jenn's home, as he and Jenn repeatedly told the police and testified at trial. The cell phone records show that the phone was near Woodlawn for the entire time of Hae's probable abduction and/or murder, and that the phone was being used to call "Jenn Home" during this same time period. As Adnan has no reason to call Jenn, it is virtually certain that the call was made by Jay.

Jay's police statements are also inconsistent with this call. In his first interview, he does not mention ever making any calls to Jenn, at any point. In Jay's second interview, he tells the police that after he and Adnan left the Park'n'Ride, he decided to call Patrick to buy some weed. It is not until trial that Jay claims to have called Jenn, in order to find out if Patrick was home.

Explanatory Note: For a more in-depth discussion of the Nisha Call and why I believe it to be significant, please see Why the Nisha Call Shows That Hae Was Murdered at 3:32 p.m..

Of all the phone calls made on the day of Hae's murder, this one is the hardest for all sides to explain. Because even though three people were involved in the call - Nisha, Jay, and Adnan - not a single one of them seems to remember this conversation taking place, at least not on the date and at the location shown in the cell phone records.

But because Nisha is only friends with Adnan, and because Jay has no apparent reason to call her if he is not with Adnan, this one is hands-down the worst evidence for Adnan's case. If Adnan was at track, as he says, he could not have made this call. However, neither the prosecution, Jay, or Nisha have a plausible explanation for this call, either. Given that Nisha's number was saved at the top of the list in Adnan's cell phone, and given that Jay's explanation for the call (as discussed below) does not appear to be true, this call casts doubt on Adnan's case but is far from conclusive.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay are in Adnan's car, having ditched Hae's car. Adnan calls Nisha, and then puts Jay on the phone to talk to her. (This means that Hae's car must have been ditched at this time - if it hasn't, then both Adnan and Jay could not have spoken on the phone.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at track practice and does not have the phone.
Jay's Story:
Although Jay claims he did not leave Jenn's place until 3:45 p.m. (and therefore would not be with Adnan at the time of this call), Jay does say he remembers the call with Nisha. In his written itinerary on 3/18/99 (after, it should be noted, he has already been repeatedly confronted with the cell phone records), Jay says Adnan did call Nisha while he and Jay were driving around getting his, and that after he called her, "Adnan handed the phone to Jay at the golf course on West Forest Park Avenue" (Episode 5).

Jay's story is not supported (although not disproven, either) by the tower data, as the pings for all calls from 2:36 p.m to 3:59 p.m., including this call, hit tower L651, which is the tower that is very close to both Best Buy and Woodlawn High School. This makes it unlikely (but again, not impossible) that the call occurred as Jay says it did.
Nisha's Story:
Nisha testified that she recalled having a phone conversation with Adnan when he put Jay on the phone. But there's a problem with this story - Nisha remembers the call happening at night, and while Jay and Adnan were at a video store that Jay worked at. But the call that happened on January 13, 1999, happened in the middle of the afternoon, and Jay would not begin working at the video store until weeks after Hae's murder.

This makes the phone call Nisha remembers unlikely to be the same phone call as the one that happened on the day Hae died, but it does nothing to explain what conversation did happen that day.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Although the Nisha call is currently unexplained by all theories of the case, the cell phone records do confirm that - whatever the circumstances under which it was made - a call was likely placed by someone using Adnan's phone, from somewhere in the Woodlawn area, to Nisha.

Explanatory Note: At this point, I have not seen anything explaining who Phil is, but he is presumably Jay's friend, and not Adnan's.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed for a couple hours.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track practice or waiting for track to begin, which would have been at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Story:
To my knowledge, Jay has never once identified "Phil" or explained why Phil was called. Phil is not mentioned at any point during either Jay's first or second interviews. Jay may have discussed Phil at trial, but if so, I have seen nothing referencing it.

The Phil call is interesting, however, in that it was made at 3:48 p.m. - which is almost exactly the same time that Jay claims Adnan called him from Best Buy, asking Jay to come pick him up. But under the state's timeline (which has Jay going to pick up Adnan at 2:36 p.m.), by the time of the 3:48 p.m. call, Jay and Adnan must be on their way to Forest Park to buy weed, having ditched the car at the Park'n'Ride

Perhaps, however, part of Jay's story about the "come-get-me" call is true. Hae's murderer did indeed place a call at 3:45 p.m., asking a friend for help in disposing of Hae's body... but the caller was Jay, and the friend was the mysterious Phil, of whom we know almost nothing.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower. Based solely on tower data, it appears that the cell phone (whether it is in Jay's possession alone, or whether it is with both Jay and Adnan) is still in the vicinity of where Hae was murdered, but it could also be explained by the killer driving Hae's car to the I-70 Park'n'Ride. The call does ping an antenna eastward from where it had pinged in the three calls in the previous half hour, and it is well within reason that a call from the Park'n'Ride would route through a cell phone tower to the west (particularly given the topography of that area). Also possible, however, is that the cell phone has not moved during this time period, and the killer is still in the same location as the crime scene, with both Adnan's and Hae's cars. Perhaps that is why whoever has the cell phone is calling friends, to see if anyone can lend a hand.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan would be at track practice, which starts either at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first interview, Jay does not ever mention calling any of his friends. There is no discussion of Patrick, or a call made to Patrick, or of going somewhere to buy weed. Jay says that immediately after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride,

we went um we dropped an L back in the woods, back at [Patapsco] State Park (Int.1 at 10).

Jay and Adnan are at the cliffs at Patapsco for approximately half an hour. At approximately 4:30 p.m., Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn, and drops him off at track practice ( id. at 10-11).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that, after dropping Hae's car off at the Park'n'Ride, he calls his friend Patrick to see if they can buy some weed, but Patrick is not home, so he leaves a message. When asked how long he was on the phone, Jay say:

Um, the machine it'll ring 4 or 5 times before the machine'll pick up. There' s a long song on there. Um, then his sister comes on, maybe like 4 minutes. (Int.2 at 16.)

The call was actually only 25 seconds long, so his claim about 4 minutes is way off. The claim that it lasted "like 4 minutes" is, however, intriguingly close to the time the call was made - 3:59 p.m. In light of the extensive coaching that the detectives provide to Jay during his second interview, it is possible that Jay has been shown the call records and asked to explain them, and mistakenly believed the call to Patrick lasted 3 minutes and 59 seconds, rather than that it had been made at 3:59 p.m.

Regardless of this mistake about the duration of the call, however, there is a problem with this story - Jay also claims that he and Adnan spoke to Nisha while they were in Forest Park. But that call was thirty minutes earlier, at 3:32, and Jay says that he and Adnan didn't go to Forest Park until after he called Patrick - at 3:59 p.m. Both things can't be true. Either Jay and Adnan drove to Forest Park after calling Patrick to ask about the weed, or else they did so before calling him. But in any event, both stories appear to be equally false, because they are not supported by the tower records.

Also - everything else aside, this is a really really odd story. Jay and Adnan have a body in the trunk, and their reaction is to call around to score some weed? Come on. From everything we know about both Jay and Adnan, neither of them are that monumentally stupid. And everything we know about human nature suggests that someone who has committed a carefully premeditated murder does not then go drive around the city calling people and hoping to score weed. Whoever made these calls, and whoever the killer is, I would bet an awful lot of money that the 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls had nothing to do with scoring weed and everything to do with a panicky murderer (or murderers) trying to figure out next steps.

In any event, Jay claims that after leaving the Park'n'Ride and calling Patrick's answering machine, he and Adnan

head to Forrest Park to see if we couldn't find that corner salesman there um. We go down there, we buy 2 dime sacks. Um, we turn around, I believe we stopped to get blunts on um, Rogers and Gwynn Oak, Gwynn Oak and Rogers on the corner of Gwynn Oak and Rogers. (Int.2 at 16.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower, possibly indicating that the killer is still at the Park'n'Ride with Hae's vehicle.

If so, the 3:58 call may in fact be the real "come-and-get-me" call. One (very speculative) scenario: after killing Hae, if Jay decided to move her car to a new location away from the scene of the crime, Jay would be stuck with a two-car problem. After abandoning Hae's car (either at the Park'n'Ride, or somewhere near - a call from the Park'n'Ride could have been routed through L651, so that remains a possibility), he would either have a long walk back to Adnan's car (approximately forty minutes, if at the Park'n'Ride), or else he would need someone to pick him up and drive him back. The 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls could then be explained by Jay calling his friends to see who could give him a lift. Jay might have called Phil first, and when Phil wasn't available, Jay tried a friend and/or drug dealer. (Come to think of it, if you need a getaway vehicle, calling up a drug dealer buddy might be a smart idea - "Hey Pat, this is Jay - I'd love to buy some weed, can you hook me up? Except, small problem, I don't have a ride - but if you swing by and pick me up, we can then go and smoke some of what I buy?"). Whatever happened during these two calls, it appears that, based on the tower data from the call following this one, Patrick might have come through for Jay.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is still at track practice.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first and second interviews on 2/28/99 and 3/15/99, and in his written itinerary on 3/18/99, Jay tells the exact same story: that at 4:30 p.m., he and Adnan drive to Patapsco State Park to smoke weed and watch the sunset, which would have occurred at 5:05 p.m. (Episode 5).

In Jay's third interview with the police, on 4/13/99, Jay states that - rather than travel to Patapsco after the crime - Adnan killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that Jay was there too, because Adnan had paid him to help with the murder and/or body disposal. This story is contradicted by all of Jay's other versions of what happened, and - based on the timelines - it is pretty much impossible. Actually, it's entirely impossible, it simply could not have happened.

Likely realizing this (or, more likely, being instructed on this by a prosecutor and/or defense attorney), Jay does not testify about any Patapsco trip at Adnan's trial. The whole visit to the cliffs there to smoke weed just falls out of the story completely. Instead, Jay's trial testimony just has him and Adnan driving around aimlessly for a bit, until eventually Jay drops Adnan off at track practice.
Jenn's Story:
As discussed supra, Jenn says she got home from work a little after 12pm, and Jay showed up a little while after that. She and Jay

hung out at my house and th[e]n I guess around three-thirty, three forty-five[,] Jay got a call and then . . . Jay got another call . . . and then another call came in and I don't know . . . Whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. [ ] [T]hen Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three-forty and four-fifteen. I left my house between four-fifteen and four-thirty to go pick up my parents from work."

At Adnan's trial, Jenn testified that on January 13th, Jay came over "to hang out with her and her brother," and that "[a]t 3:00-3:30 p.m., [Jay] left her house. After 4:30 p.m., Jennifer called her friend [Cathy's] house and [Jay] was there." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jenn is lying. If Jay was at her place until "well after 3:45," and she left pretty much immediately after, how is Jay calling "Jenn Home" at 4:21? And why doesn't Jenn tell the police that Jay called her immediately after he left her house?

The most plausible explanation for Calls 10 and 11 is that:

1. Jay got help either in moving Hae's car to the Park'n'Ride (if two cars were driven there), or Jay got a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (if only Hae's car was driven there). The calls at 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. are from Jay, either (i) after he has driven Hae's car somewhere to ditch it, and calling to ask for a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (or other parking lot near Woodlawn), possibly under the pretext of buying weed from the mysterious Phil and Patrick, or (ii) while Jay is still at the crime scene, and calling to straight up ask for help in transporting Hae's and Adnan's car to the Park'n'Ride. If the latter option is what occurs it could be that Jay finally got through to Patrick, who agrees to help, and Jay does the infamous "trunk pop" to Patrick when he arrives. Jay then ditches Hae's car and is reunited with Adnan's car, with an assist from Patrick; and,

2. At 4:21 p.m., after recovering Adnan's car, Jay calls "Jenn Home" to see if she's around. She is. Jay then goes to Jenn's house at around 4:30 p.m. for them to hang out, while Jay tries to figure out what the hell to do next. (Interesting note: it's only a 20-minute walk from the Park'n'Ride to Jenn's house. Perhaps this could explain some of Jay's movements.) While at Jenn's house, Jay is in fact "waiting for a phone call," as Jenn will later testify. Because the phone call that Jay is expecting is from Adnan - calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track, just like he and Jay had agreed upon. At 4:58, Jay gets that call and goes to get Adnan, before they both go to Cathy's.

3. At 6:00 p.m., Jenn calls Cathy's apartment, and Cathy tells Jenn that Adnan and Jay are at her place. This is why in Jenn insists that Jay left her house "after 3:45 p.m." (police statement) or at "3:00-3:30 p.m." (trial testimony), but also insists that when she calls her friend Cathy "after 4:30 p.m.," Cathy tells her that Jay is already there. These two events (Jay leaving Jenn's, and Jenn calling Cathy to learn that Jay is there) really do happen about an hour apart - but they occur at 5pm and 6pm, not 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.

In fact, the only way all the timelines can fit together - without simply deciding that the trip to Jenn's or the trip to Cathy's or the trip to Woodlawn never occurred at all - is if Jay's visit to Jenn occurs after Hae is already dead. That's why Jay is "acting weird" when he's at Jenn's house. That's why Jay tells Jenn that he is "waiting for a phone call" - because Adnan told Jay he would be calling for a pickup after track was over. And the 4:12 p.m. call is Jay calling to see if Jenn is home, either asking for help, or telling her he is coming over.

And that's also why Jenn and Jay both insist over and over again that Jay was at Jenn's until "well after 3:45" - because Jenn's story about Jay being at her place until "3:45 p.m." is something she was told to say in order to give Jay an alibi. If Jay killed Hae, then Jay might know that Hae was killed a little before 3:45 (i.e., a little before the call to Phil at 3:48). Even though the police have some mistaken theory about Hae dying at 2:30 p.m., Jay knows it was at least an hour later - and in case the police know that to, Jay has to make sure his alibi accounts for that time period.

So even though the call records show that Jay was probably at Jenn's house from 4:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. on January 13 (assuming he was there at all), Jay has told Jenn to make sure her story includes that he was at her place until "after 3:45 p.m." Because that is the critical window.

This would also mean that neither the Patapsco trip nor any of the other side quests Jay has mentioned ever happened at all. The trip to buy weed, if it actually happened (I'm skeptical), is the sole detour that even could have possibly occurred, according to the call records, but that call could just as easily show instead a ping from the Park'n'Ride.

Additional Note: Here is where the real speculation comes in. Remember Neighbor Boy? The friend of Jay's, who told one of his neighbors that he had seen Hae's body in the back of a trunk? It may have been simply been bunk, some kid trying to make himself sound cool by telling a story. But I would be awfully curious to know if there is any connection between Neighbor Boy and either Phil or Patrick...

While I have not been able to obtain any information on Phil, I was able to find one very speculative, but possibly interesting, bit of information about Patrick. In 1999, Patrick's home address was for a road off Edmondson Ave - a few blocks down from where Hae's car was abandoned after her burial.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed. Maybe they went to White Castle or something, idk.

Note: For an explanation of why this call shows that Jay's story was coached to fit the cellphone records, please see this post.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track from the time it started (at 3:30 p.m., or maybe 4 p.m., witnesses testify to different times).
Jay's Story:
Jay says that, after driving around and smoking for a while, Adnan "told [Jay] that [he] had to take him back to school because he needed to be seen" at track practice, so that he could establish an alibi for Hae's murder (Episode 1). Adnan told Jay he would call him to pick him up when track was over.

In Jay's first police statement, Jay said that he went back to his home after dropping Adnan off at track, and that he was still at home when Adnan called him to ask to be picked up.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay said that, after dropping Adnan at track (which the detectives carefully specify was done in the front of the building, on the circle), he went to a park to smoke a blunt, and then went to Cathy's apartment where he smoked some more:

At Adnan's trial, Jay testified at trial that, after dropping Adnan off, he "went to [Cathy's] house, smoked some marijuana, and debated about what to do. [Cathy] and her boyfriend were there." (Appellant's Brief at 9.) Then, "[a]bout 30 minutes later, [Adnan] called and [Jay] went to school to get him" ( id.). The story about Jay going to "Cathy's" apartment after dropping Adnan at track is unverified by any other source that I am aware of, and appears to be a fabrication - because Cathy did not arrive home until after 5:00 p.m. that day.
Jenn's Story:
At trial, Jenn says that "after 4:30 p.m.," she called her friend Cathy, and Jay was at Cathy's apartment at that time (Brief of Appellant at 13). However, based on Cathy's testimony, it seems almost certain that Jenn's call to Cathy occurred after 6 p.m., because Cathy says she did not get home until after 5:00 p.m., and that when Jenn called her, both Adnan and Jay were at her apartment.
Cathy's Story:
We know that Jay does go to Cathy's apartment at some point on January 13th, but it was almost certainly after picking Adnan up from track, and not before track like Jay claims. Why? Because Cathy testified that she did not arrive home until "5:00-5:15 p.m." that day, and that Jay and Adnan showed up "later" (Brief of Appellant at 13). Cathy said, in her statement, that:

while Jay and Adnan were there, Jenn called the apartment. Or maybe it was she that called Jenn . . . But she does remember talking to Jenn and saying, 'Jay's here with some kid who's practically passed out on the cushions.' And Jenn thought that was curious, like, 'what's Jay doing there?' She told Cathy that Jay had been acting weird earlier in the day too. (Episode 6.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The tower records show that the cell phone was near both Jay's house and Jenn's house from 4:30 to 5:00 p.m. - and therefore wholly inconsistent with Jay going to Cathy's before getting Adnan from track. In fact, the three calls we know for certain were made from Cathy's - the 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 p.m. calls - all pinged towers farther south, close to Cathy's, as expected, but the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls both ping towers to the north of Cathy's, next to Jenn's and Jay's places.

This cell phone data is consistent with Jay committing the crime alone. After ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, Jay either goes to Jenn's place or returns to his home. It is now 4:30 p.m., and Jay is aware that Adnan will soon be calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track. There would not have been enough time for Jay to dispose of Hae's body (and also it would have been too risky to do so in the daylight). If Jay goes to Jenn's house, then this perfectly explains Jenn's police statement (see Call 11) in which she describes Jay receiving several calls. These are the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls. Perhaps after leaving Jenn's house, Jay returns home to get shovels for later use, and puts them in the trunk of Adnan's car. After all, Jay says it takes him 15 minutes to pick up Adnan from practice after Adnan calls, and a drive from Jenn's to Jay's to Woodlawn would have taken about 13 minutes.
The Prosecution's Story:
At trial, the prosecution's story is that, at the time of this call, Jay and Adnan are in Forrest Park buying weed.
Adnan's Story:
After track, Adnan says he would have called Jay to pick him up. The 4:58 p.m. call would likely have been Adnan calling his cell phone to let Jay know he was done.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay said that he and Adnan were in Patapsco State Park smoking weed at the time of this call.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claimed that he dropped Adnan back off at Woodlawn for track practice at about the time this call occurred.

At trial, Jay testified that he and Adnan were buying weed in Forrest Park at the time of this call.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call was almost certainly from Adnan, telling Jay that track is over and to come pick him up. That would be consistent with everything we can establish about the witnesses' timelines.

It is virtually certain Adnan was at track that day. Why? Because regardless of whether Jay is guilty or innocent, his testimony about Adnan going to track is credible - Jay has no reason to lie about that specific fact, and many reasons to tell the truth.

If Jay did kill Hae, then when the police interviewed him and made it clear that they thought Adnan was their suspect, Jay would have been given a motive to frame Adnan. However, since Jay knew that he had picked up Adnan from track practice that day, Jay's story had to include the fact that Adnan went to track - because Jay knew that people had seen Adnan at track, and Jay assumed that people would remember that. (In fact, only a single witness has specific memories of Adnan being at track that day. Other witnesses have also stated that they believe Adnan was there that day, even if they do not have a specific memory of it, because if Adnan had not showed they would have remembered that.)

On the other hand, if Jay's story about Adnan killing Hae is true, then he likewise has every reason to tell the truth about track practice. If he says Adnan did not go to track, but someone remembered seeing him there, Jay's story would begin to look questionable. Additionally, Jay has no reason to misremember dropping Adnan off at track.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 5:14 call was an incoming call that was not answered, and a voicemail message lasting one minute, seven seconds was then left on Adnan's phone. As Adnan did not know how to check his voicemail yes, the message is not retrieved until January 14th.

Adnan was likely still at track practice at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
It is unclear how exactly the prosecution explains this call. The call is made to one of Adnan's friends - Krista - which should suggest that Adnan has the phone. But Jay's story claims he does not pick up Adnan from track until about 6:00 p.m.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picks him up from track at around 5:15 p.m., he and Jay go over to Cathy's apartment. Adnan does not know Cathy, but Jay knows Cathy through Jenn, as she is Cathy's sorority sister.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay claims that after track practice (at around 7 p.m., so much later than the call records can support) he and Adnan go to a McDonald's off of Rolling Road and have dinner.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claims he and Adnan go to Cathy's apartment at around 6:15 p.m., so a little after this call. Jay also claims that, at around 5:45 p.m., Adnan calls from track to ask to be picked up - a claim that cannot be reconciled with the 5:38 p.m. call to Krista.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
As much as anything about the timeline of that day can be called established fact, the time period from about 5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. appears to be the most well accounted for.

At approximately 5:15 p.m., Jay picks Adnan up from track, and they then go to "Cathy's" (not-her-real-name's) house. Cathy is a friend of Jenn's. Cathy sort of knows Jay, through Jenn, but Adnan and Cathy had never met before that day. Adnan almost certainly has his cell phone back again by the time of this call - Krista is a friend of Adnan's, not Jay's, and Jay is unlikely to be calling her.

The tower ping at L653 could show that Adnan and Jay are driving from Woodlawn to "Cathy's" house. Or, as Jay says, they could be at a McDonald's getting dinner. And by "getting McDonald's," what I actually mean is "getting high and then really needing some Chicken McNuggets."

Explanatory Note: There is little/no dispute that Jay and Adnan arrived at Cathy's sometime between 5:30 p.m. and 6:00 p.m, where they hung out and smoke weed until approximately 6:30 p.m., before both left in Adnan's car.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go to Cathy's after track practice, although the precise time is hard to reconcile between Jay's and Cathy's testimonies.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picked Adnan up from track, they smoke some pot, and then Jay takes them to Cathy's apartment.
Cathy's Story:
At trial, Cathy testified that:

On January 13, 1999, at 5:00-5:15 p.m., she arrived home, and her boyfriend Jeff [ ] was there. [Jay] and [Adnan] arrived later . . . They all watched television at about 6:00 p.m. Appellant was lying on some pillows on her floor when he asked, 'how do you get rid of a high?' (Brief of Appellant at 13-14.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jay's testimony, which is that he was at Cathy's before leaving to pick up at Adnan, and then returning to her house. Cathy (and apparently Jeff) never confirm that Jay had already been at their house earlier that afternoon.

Also, according to Cathy, Jay and Adnan just showed up at her place out of the blue:

I was kinda surprised and a little confused because [Jay] didn't call me unless he was with Jenn and nobody had called to say 'hey are you guys home? Do you guys want to hang out?' Nothing like that. So it was a little strange that he would just pop up at the door. I remember him being like, 'do you want to smoke? Do you wanna hang out?' And I remember being like, 'well hang on a second,' and asking Jeff if he wanted to- 'Jay's at the door!' Jeff was like, 'for what?' 'Well he wants to hang out.' And Jeff was like, 'that's cool.' So Jay came in and he introduced his friend, I don't think he introduced him by name, I think he was just like, 'this is a friend of mine.' (Episode 6.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jenn's testimony. According to Jenn, she and Jay "had plans to go to [Cathy's] house together that evening" (Brief of Appellant at 13). So why does Cathy seem to think it was a total surprise to see Jay there?
Cathy's Story:
Cathy recalls that Adnan received a call from someone, but that it was "not lengthy." After the call, Adnan was asking, "what if they come talk to me, what should I say, [ ] what should I do."
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
It is not firmly established who the 6:09 call was from, but Sarah Koenig gives a fairly convincing explanation on the podcast - it was from Adnan's friend, Aisha, telling Adnan that she had told the police to speak with him about Hae:

So maybe Aisha called Adnan at 6:09, says "I just talked to the police and they're going to get in touch with you too." Aisha says that Adnan was annoyed. Maybe that's what Cathy interpreted as panicked. I think we can all stipulate that Adnan was super stoned. He told me he had weed in the car and was worried the cops were going to find it if they came to talk to him. So, imagine for a second that Adnan is talking to Aisha and says something like . . . What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? They're gonna come talk to me. What am I supposed to say?" (Episode 9.)

Additionally, although this call pings a different tower from the 6:07 p.m. call, it is virtually certain that the cell phone remains at the same location - Cathy's house - at all times between 6:07 and 6:24.

Explanatory Note: This call was almost certainly from the police, asking if Adnan has seen Hae. As Koenig describes the start of the investigation:

"Hae's brother called the cops that afternoon. Officer Scott Adcock arrives from the Baltimore County PD. His initial report records the time as 5:12 p.m. Adcock calls Aisha and Adnan asking if they've seen Hae." (Episode 9.)

Officer Adcock's Story:
Office Adcock testified that, during this phone call, Adnan told him he'd asked Hae for a ride, but that he'd been "held up" at school and missed the ride. (One of Hae's friends, Becky, gives a somewhat similar story - she says that Adnan asked Hae for a ride, but that at 2:20 p.m., Hae tells Adnan that she won't be able to give him a ride, and Adnan says "OK, I'll just ask someone else."
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says that he remembers this phone call:

"Oh no, uh, I do remember that phone call and I do remember being high at the time because the craziest thing is to be high and have the police call your phone. I'll never forget that." (Episode 6.)

But Adnan does not recall asking Hae for a ride that day, or telling the officer that he asked for one.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock calls while he and Adnan were at McDonald's.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock called when he and Adnan were "leaving [Cathy's] apartment," and were "stepping from the foyer into the hallway." Jay says he then begins to panic.
Cathy's Story:
Cathy says that, a little while after receiving a phone call, Adnan just leaves, heading out the door, and Jay follows Adnan out, leaving his "hat and smokes" at Cathy's (Episode 6). Adnan and Jay go downstairs and get into Adnan's car. Cathy sees them stay there, for "[l]ike a minute . . . just sitting out in the car."
What the Call Records Show:
Based on the timing of the 5:38, 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 calls, what appears to have happened is that, after Jay picked up Adnan from track, Jay and Adnan go to smoke. Adnan gets really, really high. Jay and Adnan then show up at Cathy's sometime between 5:40pm and 6:00pm. At 6:07, Hae's brother calls asking about Hae. At 6:09, Aisha calls, and tells Adnan that the police are going to call him. Adnan freaks; he is super high, and the police are about to call him, and he starts asking, "What do I do if the cops call me? How do I get rid of a high?" Ten minutes later, he and Jay leave Cathy's apartment. In the hallway, Officer Adcock calls Adnan, and Adnan and Jay get into Adnan's parked car while speaking to the officer for a little over 4 minutes. They then drive away.
Yaser's Story:
To my knowledge, Yaser has never been questioned about this phone call. Yaser was a friend of Adnan's, although it's unclear how close they were. Yaser is also the individual identified by the anonymous caller as someone the police should speak to, because Yaser, according to the caller, knows something about Adnan's involvement in the murder.
Adnan's Father's Story:
Adnan's father testified at trial that, on January 13, 1999, Adnan "attended religious services with [him] from 7:30 p.m. to 10:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 16). Adnan's mosque was close to his home, and is marked above with an asterisk.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "after the Adcock call, he and Adnan left Cathy's and then they do a bunch of different things: they drive to Jay's house for shovels, then to I-70 Park & Ride for Hae's car, then Jay goes to McDonald's back by school to wait for Adnan, says he's there waiting for about 20 minutes, then they drive all around for awhile back over to Patapsco, then up Dogwood, to Security, before they finally get to Leakin Park." (Episode 5.) There's a huge problem with Jay's story though. Doing what Jay describes "takes an hour and twenty minutes. Twice as long as, in other words, than the call log accounts for." ( Id.).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 6:59 p.m. call pings a tower that covers Adnan's home and mosque, but not Jay's house. Jay does claim that he went to the McDonald's by school to wait for Adnan for 20 minutes after picking up Hae's car, but Jay does not explain why on earth he and Adnan would add this trip to their itinerary. One possible explanation is that it's an attempt to explain why the 6:59 call and the 7:00 p.m. call pinged at Woodlawn.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, "he's pretty sure he was with his phone at that time after track. Again, his memory is vague, it's full of I probably would haves. But he says that from what he can remember of the evening, after he got the call from Office Adcock, he remembers dropping Jay off at some point and then he says he would have gone to the mosque for prayers. It was Ramadan. He doesn't say he lent his phone out or his car to Jay or anyone else that evening."

But if Adnan did kill Hae, this is quite possibly the most baffling thing Adnan could say. Why on earth would his story be that he is "pretty sure he was with his phone" at that time, when, if he is guilty, he knew full well that is exactly when Hae was buried? Why would he lie about everything else, but tell the truth about this damning detail - when he could just as easily have said instead that he let Jay borrow his phone that evening? Or even just say that he "might've" let Jay borrow his phone? Why would Adnan make such a bold-faced lie about going to mosque that evening (when there could potentially be dozens of witnesses who could confirm that he did not go to mosque), but then not go a tiny step further and say he doesn't remember having his phone, but he frequently lent it out to Jay, and might have done so that night?

A simpler explanation is that Adnan really just doesn't remember letting Jay borrow his phone and car while he was at mosque. Which isn't an entirely satisfying explanation, but it makes more sense than a guilty Adnan lying about everything else and telling the truth about this single incriminating thing. After all, it is pretty much established fact that Adnan was as high as a kite at 6:30pm that night; him being fuzzy on the details is at least explainable. And if Jay had asked to borrow the the car, wouldn't Adnan have probably agreed, based on his willingness to allow Jay to borrow it earlier? After all, he's going to be in mosque for a couple hours, it wouldn't be any inconvenience to him. Alternatively, perhaps Adnan felt he was too high to drive, e.g., "How do you make a high go away?" In which case Jay "offered" to drive an impaired Adnan to mosque, and then needed to "borrow" the car to drive back to Cathy's - while promising Adnan he'd return the car when mosque was out.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, he "was supposed to meet [Jenn] at 7:00 p.m., so he paged her at 7:00 p.m. from Leakin Park" (Appellant's Brief at 9). Jay does not explain why he was supposed to meet Jenn at 7:00 p.m., or when he and Jenn made this agreement.
Jenn's Story:
In Jenn's police statement, she says that,

between six-thirty, anytime, after I got home from picking my parents up, to seven-thirty. I guess it's between that. I was in my bedroom ah getting dress because I knew I was going out later to just hang out at my friend Cathy's house. (Jenn Int. at 13.)

While getting ready to go to Cathy's, she then gets a message from Jay. Or maybe two messages. The source of this message is very unclear; Jenn gives a laundry list of answers of where this message might have come from:

that's when I got the page that was a voice message from Jay saying to get him from the park and then when I .... and then like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him, but I'm not sure. He left a message on the machine telling me something about either to come and pick him up at the park or he was going to be later than what he thought, so don't go to the park yet. I think I got two messages, maybe on my pager, one saying to pick him up and the next message saying "I'm going to be later don't pick" you know "don't pick me up at the park" or "I'll call you when I need you" or something. I was confused... there was confusion in his message so I felt it necessary to contact him to find out where I was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

So Jenn either got a "page that was a voice message" (technically possible - a portable voicemail service was available in Baltimore, although the service shut down sometime in 1999), or "like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him." Or maybe she got two messages. The two messages seem to make the most sense - the first message, via an unknown medium, was to tell Jenn that he needed the ride from the park, and the next message was to say that he needed her to pick him up later.

Either way, I believe we can be safe in assuming that one of these two communications was the 7:00 p.m. page. Jenn pretty much clarifies that at another point in her statement:

I believe that I got a voice message from Jay like um telling me to get him from the park and around between seven and seven-thirty I think it was and for some reason the message was like very confusing or something (Jenn Int. at 12).

The park Jenn identifies is this park located "off of Crosby and Chesworth," but is not "the one that the pool's on" ( id.). This would make it Western Hills Community Park - a three minute walk away from Adnan's mosque.

Now that's an interesting coincidence. Why would Jay be calling Jenn to ask for a ride from a place across the street from Adnan's mosque at 7 or 7:30 p.m.? Perhaps because Jay knew Adnan would be driving there, after leaving Cathy's?
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
There are two big problems with Jay's trial testimony about paging Jenn from Leakin Park. First, the cell records show that the 7:00 p.m. call was most likely made from the Woodlawn area, not Leakin Park. Second, Jay's story has him in Adnan's car - but not with Adnan -at 7:00 p.m. So how could he have paged Jenn at 7:00 p.m., if Adnan was calling Yaser at 6:59? Jay testified at trial Adnan drove him to Jay's house, where they got "two shovels . . . and put them in [Adnan's] car" (Brief of Appellant at 9.) They then "drove to pick up Hae's car, and [Adnan] got in Hae's car. [Jay] followed [Adnan] around for 45 minutes, and they ended up in Leakin Park." ( Id.) Which means that Adnan and Jay were in separate vehicles at 7:00 p.m., if Jay's story is true.

An alternative explanation for the cell phone data is that Jay borrowed Adnan's car and phone while he was in mosque. After leaving Cathy's, Adnan is dropped off at the mosque near his house, and Jay drives to Hae's car (which is either at the Park'n'Ride or at a mall parking lot near Woodlawn). He then drives Hae's car to Leakin Park, taking the phone and the shovels with him from Adnan's car, and buries her. He returns Hae's car to where it was stashed earlier, gets back in Adnan's car, and heads back to the mosque to return the car and phone to Adnan when mosque is out at 9pm.

The fact that Jay left Jenn a message asking Jenn to pick him up from a park near Adnan's mosque further supports this theory. If Adnan did kill Hae, and recruited Jay to help him bury her, is no explicable reason why Jay would be calling Jenn's pager from Adnan's phone, and leaving Jenn a message asking to be picked up from the park near the mosque. Such a call could be explained, however, if Jay had been unaware that he would be unable to use Adnan's car and cell phone. If Jenn and Jay had spoken on the phone while Jay was at Cathy's (we know that Jenn called Cathy around 6:00 - 6:30 p.m. that night), then Jay may have asked for a ride from Jenn then, planning to have her take him to Hae's car after Adnan dropped him off on his way to mosque. Jay's plans may have changed when Adnan ended up letting Jay borrow his car while he was in mosque. The 7:00 p.m. call would then be Jay notifying Jenn that he no longer needed the pick up from the park near the mosque, but that he would need her to pick him up later.

EDIT, 1/17/2015: Due to the release of additional information concerning the reliability of the cellphone data, as well as the nature of the forensic evidence, I no longer believe that the cellphone was in Leakin Park at this time. It appears instead that the burial in Leakin Park took place hours later.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay picked up Hae's car from the I-70 Park'n'Ride, and then drive into Leakin Park via N. Franklintown Road, where they body Hae's body. The route from the Park'n'Ride to the place where Hae's body was found takes approximately four minutes. Although it is unclear why this specific location is chosen for the burial site, it appears, from Google Maps, that t he section of N. Franklintown Road that Hae's killer(s) would have used to enter the woods does not have a guardrail up. Although there are now concrete barriers in place, it seems very likely that, in January 1999, those barriers were not there, allowing whoever buried Hae to pull off at the side of the road there. As Gwynns Falls Trail was under construction at that time, there was likely ample room for Hae's car to be parked (without blocking N Franklintown Road) while a grave was dug and Hae's body was transferred into it. (For comparison purposes, note that the "Warning This Park is Patrolled" sign behind the concrete barriers matches the sign described in Episode 3 and shown on the S erial website.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "[w]hile [he] and [Adnan] were digging, [Jenn] called the cell phone, returning [Jay's] page [at 7:00 p.m.]. [Adnan] allegedly answered and told [Jenn] they were busy and hung up." (Brief of Appellant at 9.)
Jenn's Story:
Jenn has stated that either the 7:09 or 7:16 p.m. call came from her. Jenn told the police in her taped interview that she called Jay because although he had left her a message earlier, asking her to pick him up, "there was confusion in his message so [she] felt it necessary to contact him to find out where [she] was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.) She says this call occurred

I guess I'd say between six- thirty and seven-thirty. . . I knew that I was dialing [Adnan's] cell phone, the cell phone number." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

"When I called them, um, Adnan answered the phone and said 'Jay will call you back when you're re-' when he's ready for you to come and get him, or for you to come and meet him, or whatever. 'Jay will call you when he's ready.' And um, so that's all like, he was very quick and very 'bye' you know." (Episode 6.)

But at trial, she gave a different story. She testified that when she called the cell, someone other than Jay answered the phone and said, "Jay will call you back when he is ready for you to come and get him, he is busy" (Brief of Appellant at 13). She stated that "[t]he voice on the cell phone was an older male, deep, not like a kid, and it was not [Jay]" ( id.). But Jenn does not identify the voice as belonging to Adnan - even though she knows him, and even though she had previously identified the speaker as Adnan in her police interview.

It should also be noted that Jenn's statement (as well as Jay's) does not match the known duration of the call. At 33 seconds, whatever conversation occurred must have been longer than the brief exchange Jenn describes, which would have taken less than 10 seconds.

But aside from that, why on earth would Adnan know that Jenn was calling to find out when to pick Jay up? And why would he even answer the phone? Surely after burying Hae's body, Jay would have preferred to take his accomplice home himself - rather than forcing a third party to come pick him up, and potentially become involved.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 7:09 p.m. and 7:16 p.m. calls are the two most significant calls in the case, because both calls were routed through L689B - which is the tower/antenna whose range is almost exclusively limited to the southwest leg of Leakin Park, where Hae was buried. We can say with almost complete certainty that whoever had the cell phone at that time was in Leakin Park, burying Hae's body.

Why? Because we have independent evidence confirming that Hae was buried between 6:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on January 13, 1999. (1) The first witness statement in the case came from Jenn, in her statement to the police on February 27, 1999, when she told them that Jay asked her to pick him up "some time after eight o'clock" (Episode 6). Jenn said that "[a]fter they'd driven a little ways, Jay mention[ed] shovels. The shovels Adnan had used to dig in the park to bury Hae." (Episode 4.) She has no apparent motive to lie about the timing of when she picked up Jay, and there is no evidence that she had seen the cell phone records at that point, or was matching her story to them. (2) Cathy, who has no motive to lie and whose testimony could apparently be verified by her boyfriend, Jeff, states that Adnan and Jay were at her house until 6:30 p.m. that evening.

So Hae was buried in Leakin Park during that hour-and-a-half window. Of the 52 outgoing and incoming malls made to Adnan's cell phone on January 12 and 13, 1999, exactly two calls were routed through L689B, which is the tower and antenna that covers the southwest portion of Leakin Park (and covers almost nothing that isn't Leakin Park). In fact, only one other call was even routed through tower L689, despite the fact it is adjacent to the towers covering Woodlawn and Cathy's house - and that's the 4:12 p.m. call, when Jay would have been parking Hae's car immediately next to Leakin Park, at the Park'n'Ride.

This is very strong evidence that the reason the 7:09 and 7:16 p.m. calls were routed from the Leakin Park tower is that the cell phone was, in fact, in Leakin Park. The odds are too much against this being a mere coincidence - because over the course of 48 hours, only two calls are routed through L689B, and both occur precisely within the one-and-a-half hour window in which we know the killer was in Leakin Park burying Hae's body. This is a sufficient basis from which to conclude that the killer had the phone while burying Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, shortly after the call from Jenn (at 7:09), "while [Adnan] took Hae's body to the shallow grave and put dirt on her to cover her, he received another call. He spoke part in Arabic and part in English." (Brief of Appellant at 9-10.) Adnan does not speak Arabic, or any similar languages (Episode 5), so Jay's testimony is hard to explain.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call, like the previous call, pings the tower in Leakin Park. Whoever has the phone is likely burying Hae's body.
Jenn's Stories:
Jenn's Police Statement: During her interview with the police, Jenn says she picked Jay up sometime after 8 p.m., because she had "arranged to meet [Jay] in the parking lot of Westview Mall" (Episode 6). Jenn drove to Westview Mall, where she "saw [Jay and Adnan] arrive in Adnan's car." (Episode 6.). She told the police that,

"Jay mentioned to me that he knew where Adnan dumped the shovel or shovels. I don't know how many there were - but he mentioned to me that he know that where Adnan put the shovels." (Episode 4.)

Jenn then tells the police that, after picking Jay up and leaving, "she drives Jay back to Westview Mall to the dumpsters back there so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe the handles clean in case of fingerprints" ( id.). "After that, Jay came back, got in [Jenn's] car, and he was really shooken up. . . He was like you have to take me to go see my girlfriend now" ( id.).

Jenn's Trial Testimony: At trial, Jenn testified that "[b]etween 8:00-8:15 p.m., [she] got a message from [Jay] to pick him up at Westview ["WV"] Mall in 15 minutes, so she left and picked him up in front of Value City." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn arrived there first. When Jay and Adnan arrived, "[Adnan] was . . . driving, and said hello to [Jenn]. [Jay] got in her car and said . . . '[Adnan] strangled Hae in the Best Buy parking lot. [I] saw her body in the trunk.' . . . [Adnan] used [Jay's] shovels to bury her and [Jay] wanted to make sure there were no fingerprints on them." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn further "testified [Jay] told her he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay. They went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." ( Id.)
Jay's Story:
After burying Hae, Jay claims he and Adnan got back into their respective cars, and drove to a neighborhood off of Edmondson Avenue (Route 40), where Hae's car was abandoned.

Jay says that at some point after this, Jenn picks him up. But where? Jay has given a lot of different answers about where Jenn picks him up from, and it's not clear which (if any) are true (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's story at trial is that after ditching Hae's car, he and Adnan "went to Value City [located in Westview Mall, off of Route 40] and threw away some of Hae's belongings and some other evidence in a dumpster. [Jay] paged Jen again. [Adnan] allegedly drove [Jay] home and [Jay] changed his clothes and put them in a bag. Jen came to pick up [Jay] at his home and took him to Super Fresh where he threw the shovels and his bag of clothes away in a dumpster." (Brief of Appellant at 10.)
Why Jenn and Jay Are Both Lying about the 8:04 and 8:05 p.m. calls:
(1) Did Jenn see Jay arrive at Westview, or did Jay page Jenn to pick him up while he was at Westview? Because Jenn says when Jay paged her to pick him up, she went to Westview, where shortly after Adnan and Jay pulled up. In contrast, Jay says he paged Jenn while he was already at Westview, and Adnan then dropped him off at Jay's house, where Jenn later picked him up.

These stories are completely irreconcilable, and cannot be explained by simple memory lapses. Why would Jenn forget where Jay told her that Adnan had killed Hae? And why would Jay forget where Jenn picked him up?

(2) Where were the shovels (or shovel) thrown away? In Westview Mall or at Super Fresh?

Jenn says that Jay told her they were tossed at Westview - and that, after picking up Jay at Westview and driving off somewhere, she and Jay later drive back to Westview, so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe them clean. But Jay says (at trial) that he only threw away some of Hae's belongings at Westview - and that he didn't toss the shovels until after Jenn picked him up at his house, and drove him to Super Fresh, where he dumped the shovel(s) in a dumpster. So were they thrown away at Westview or Super Fresh? And why would Jay have needed to have Jenn drive him away from Westview, and then later drive him back to wipe down prints?

Any why the heck wasn't Adnan concerned about wiping down prints, if he did it? And for that matter, why would Adnan be letting his pot dealer handle the huge responsibility of disposing of the evidence? If Adnan did kill Hae, I just cannot imagine him leaving such an important detail for Jay to handle.

(Incidentally, Super Fresh is out westward on Route 40, on the way to Patapsco State Park. Perhaps this somehow works in to Jay's whole nonsensical Patapsco story somehow? Given how often Jay repeats it, it would be beyond bizarre if nothing about Hae's murder was linked to there. Something about Jay's claims about Patapsco are true, it's just hard to know what.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 8:04 and 8:05 calls show that whoever has the cell phone was probably somewhere along Route 40/Edmondson Avenue. As Edmondson Avenue is where Hae's car was abandoned (Jay later led police to where the car had been ditched), these calls are almost certainly showing the killer abandoning the car after burying her body.

If Jay killed Hae, acting alone, then he still has a two-car problem to deal with in disposing of Hae's body and car - as he would have parked Adnan's car in one spot, and then driven Hae's car to a different spot, with no way to get back to Adnan's car. The cell phone records do suggest an explanation for what was going on. As all of the calls made from 7:00 p.m. to 8:05 p.m. are to Jenn's pager, this indicates that not only did Jay have the phone, but that he had something urgent to communicate with her about.

The most likely thing Jay needed to talk to Jenn about was getting a ride after leaving Hae's car. If Jenn was telling the truth about picking Jay up from a strip mall -- and her story on this point seems more credible than Jay's - then that would explain how Jay was able to solve the two car problem. After dropping Adnan at mosque at 7:00 p.m., he drove Adnan's car to Hae's car (probably at the Park'n'Ride), drove Hae's car to bury Hae's body, then ditched her car off Edmondson Avenue. Getting from the Woodlawn area, to the Park'n'Ride, and then to the burial spot would take about fifteen minutes (five minutes for each leg, plus five minutes to switch cars.) Jay said that burying the body took 20-25 minutes. That would mean Jay was ditching the car at around 7:45 p.m., and from where her car was left, there are at least a couple strip malls within a 20-minute walk, if you're walking a little faster than average.

That would provide a possible explanation for the two pages to Jenn in rapid succession, at 8:04 p.m. and 8:05 p.m. - at right about the time Jay would've gotten to a strip mall. The double page could have acted as the signal for Jenn to come and pick him up at a pre-arranged location.

In reality, if Jay was the sole killer, there are many ways he could have handled ditching Hae's car after burying her body (such as parking it back at the Park'n'Ride and moving it over to Edmondson later, for instance). But whatever method was used, I think it is a fair inference that Jay's multiple calls to Jenn from Leakin Park that night were related to the cover up of Hae's murder - because why would someone burying a body repeatedly page a friend, unless the pages were related to said body burying? It's not exactly a time that you would be worrying about making social arrangements, that's for sure.

Additional Note: I'm not trying to say Jenn had knowledge of Jay killing Hae, or that she was actively involved in disposing of Hae's car. That's not what the timeline seems to imply. Her testimony is that her assistance was limited to disposing of clothes and boots, and it's entirely possible that's true. It's also perfectly possible she would have fully believed Jay, if Jay told her Adnan had done it. Her decision to distort her testimony to protect Jay, then, might have only been intended to help an innocent friend not take the rap for a murder he didn't commit. But her statement to the police has been cooked.

I will note, however, that I actually do believe most of Jenn's story. Her description of events seems mostly accurate - but she has changed the timeline and the details to make sure Jay can "prove" to the police that he was not involved in the actual murder.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan does not have clear memories of what happened that night after he went to mosque.
Jenn's Stories:
This is going to get confusing, because Jenn describes at least three different series of events that occur after she picks up Jay from Westview. Those three versions are:

1. Pick up Jay at Westview → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to the Cathy's house (Jenn Int. at 2-4).

2. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Cathy's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party (id. at 18-20).

3. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party → Go to Cathy's house (id. at 21).

Regarding the trip to Stephanie's, Jenn says that they went either after rerturning to Westview to wipe down the shovels or before returning to Westview for the shovels (or after leaving Westview and never returning), and that the trip took about 15 minutes. After Jenn picked up Jay from Westview for the first time, Jay told her that "he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay," so "[t]hey went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 13). But Jenn is ambiguous in the wording she uses to describe this trip:

We, I want to say that we went to Stephanie's house, his girlfriend, I want to say that we went there 'cause I think that I remember Jay saying that he wanted to go see Steph, he wanted to go and give her a hug and see her and make sure she was okay and everything[.] (Jenn Int. at 18.)

Jenn also said (in her trial testimony and police statement) that the following day she took Jay "to F&M drugstore to get rid of clothing and boots in a dumpster" (Brief of Appellant at 13). In her police statement, she was consistent with this trial testimony, and stated that,

sometime during the 14th . . . I went to see Jay again at his house. I picked him up and and he had his boots with him as well as his inaudible jacket that he had on the night before and he asked me if I would take him to F & M parking lot. I took him to F & M parking lot and we drove around the back until we saw a dumpster . . . and Jay threw his clothes boots in the dumpster. (Jenn Int. at 23.)

Cathy's Story:
Cathy testified that, on January 13, 1999, after Jay and Adnan left her house a little after 6:30 p.m., "[Jay] returned hours later with Jennifer, but [Adnan] was not with them." (Appellant's Brief at 14).

Cathy had no reason to lie, and Jenn and Jay returning to Cathy's is consistent with Jenn's claims that she and Jay had plans to go there that night. It appears that Jay may even have testified that he and Jenn returned to Cathy's at 11:30pm that night. But in that case, what did Jenn and Jay do from around 8:30 p.m. until 11:30 p.m.? And why did he and Jenn not go to Stephanie's, as they claim?
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I drive myself home and on the way home he's like "stop here." We stopped at ah Westview and one of the dumpster's behind Westview he threw all the stuff in. Um. . . Um we argue um we argue some more, went to the 7 -11 and then inaudible. (Int.1 at 20-21.)

In Jay's second interview, Jay also claims in the first interview that he throws his clothes away in the trash outside of his house:

Detective: Where did you discard the clothing?
Jay: Um I put mine in the trash at my house, put it out in the trash? (Int.1 at 22.)

Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I get out of [Adnan's] car, I go in my house, Jenny calls me back, I tell her I need, I need to talk to her, um, its real important. And for her to come and get me. She comes right over, um, I take my clothes from that day, I put them in a plastic bag. Um, I go out to to the car with Jen. I tell her what happened. She ah, she says to me urn, she really can't believe it, and I tell her stay away from him. And I tell her if I get locked up that she'll, she'll be the one person that really knew that I didn't Hae. (Int.2 at 39.)

Jay says that Jenn picked him up at his house, and then took him to the dumpster at the "F & M, the one behind the ah, F & M inaudible on Route 40," where he threw away "[a]ll [his] clothes, it was ah, they were in a giant plastic bag" (Int.2 at 41). However, Jay "think[s] [he] may had held on to [his] boots until the day after" ( id.).

So while Jay and Jenn agree that Jay threw his boots away on the 14th, Jay and Jenn disagree on just about everything else.
Stephanie's Story:
Stephanie says that she did not speak to Jay until 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. This does not match Jay and Jenn claims they went to Stephanie's at 8:30-9:30 p.m. that night.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 9:01 p.m. call to Nisha strongly suggests that Adnan, and not Jay, had the phone at this time. But the call is also made from L651 - the same tower covering Adnan's mosque and home. Although Adnan's cell phone spent the previous two hours in Leakin Park and along Route 40, the only calls made during that time were to Jenn's pager. Not a single call was made to one of Adnan's contacts, which is consistent with the phone not being in his possession during that time.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Once again, the records support a finding that (1) Adnan has his phone, as Jay would have no reason to call Krista, and (2) Adnan was at home, as shown by the tower the call connected through.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Call 26.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26 and 27.

Explanatory Note: This call is another good example of a call routed through a cell tower outside of its normal range. There is no reason to believe - regardless of which witness's testimony is accepted - that Adnan was anywhere other than at his home at this time, or that he was out somewhere moving around at 10:02 p.m. at night. Adnan was almost certainly at home, and, by chance, his call to Yaser was routed through the tower directly south (L698), rather than through the tower that calls made from Adnan's home are most commonly routed through (L651).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-28.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-29.

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How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source?
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped.
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/

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How many inconsistencies can someone have before you call them an unreliable source?
- Issue #1
Jay himself has told the police multiple times that he is willing to lie to get himself out of trouble, maybe this is another one of those situations.
- Issue #2
In one testimony for motive against Adnan, Jay said it was because she made him mad.  The next time he said the motive was that Hae had broken Adnan's heart.  Then the next time he just completely changed it and went "He snapped and strangled her"
-Issue #3
Constantly Jay told his friend Jenn that Adnan had plans to kill Hae. In his second interview he said it was planned on the 12th. Later that interview Jay switches this story into the 13th. But then, when he is a witness on trial and during his testimony, he says that Adnan had NO plans to ever kill Hae and that he just snapped.
https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/26/serial-why-jays-testimony-is-not-credible-evidence-of-adnans-guilt/

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[ Edit, 1/17/2015: In the two months since this post was written, substantially more evidence concerning the events of January 13, 1999, has been released. As a result, I have completely revised my opinion on numerous matters discussed herein.

This post has therefore been updated to add new and more accurate maps. However, I have not yet updated much of the accompanying text, and much of my current interpretation of the cellphone data is substantially different from what it was when this post was first written.]

Like everyone else in the world, I've been listening to For those who haven't listened in yet, Serial is a weekly podcast covering the murder of 18-year-old Hae Min Lee, who was killed on January 13, 1999. Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was subsequently convicted of first-degree murder and kidnapping, and is currently serving a life sentence. (And if you haven't listened to the podcast yet, turn back now and come back when you have. Otherwise, the minutiae of these cell phone records won't be interesting in the slightest.)

The evidence against Adnan was complicated and deeply ambiguous. That's unsurprising - after all, there's a reason his case was chosen to be the subject Serial's first season. But while there's much we do not know about the the investigation into Hae's murder and the state's case against Adnan, based on what the show has covered so far, and what has been made publicly available about Adnan's two trials, there are many reasons to be unsettled by his conviction. Even for those who think Adnan probably did plot and carry out the murder of his ex-girlfriend - and there are plenty who do - it is hard to say that there wasn't room for some very reasonable doubts about his guilt.

Legally, there was sufficient evidence to support Adnan's conviction; he's not going to win any appeals there. An eye witness - Jay, Adnan's weed dealer and casual friend - testified to his guilt. But while the jury always has the right to determine whether a witness is telling the truth, it does not appear that, in this case, there was any objective basis for crediting Jay's testimony against Adnan (as discussed in further detail at Serial: Why Jay's Testimony Is Not Credible Evidence of Adnan's Guilt).

Other than Jay's testimony, the only evidence that Adnan had any connection with Hae's murder came from his cell phone records. As a result, understanding what those cell records show, and do not show, is a highly significant part of the case. Provided below is a summary of the data from each of the 31 calls made to or from Adnan's cell phone that day - including the time, who the call was to, the duration, and the cell phone tower that the call was routed through - and a summary of how that data compares to the testimony and statements given by key witnesses in the case.

A note on the significance of the location data: It should be stressed that the tower data - that is, the record of the tower and antenna that a call was routed through - provides us with a probabilistic (and not determinative) location for where each call was made or received from. Moreover, the maps below use an oversimplified division of likely cell tower territories based purely on distances between towers, and does not take other factors into account. The fact that any particular call may have been routed through any particular tower and antenna does not mean that the call was actually made or received from within the territory immediately adjacent to that tower/antenna; calls can be routed through towers other than the one they are closest to for any number of reasons, and two calls made from the exact same location, within minutes of one another, could end up being routed through different towers. As a result, it should be assumed that some of the 31 calls made from Adnan's phone that day were made or received from a tower other than the one the phone was closest to at the time of the call.

Taken in the aggregate, however, the tower data is very useful for assessing the likely path followed by whoever had the cell phone that day. Additionally, by comparing the tower data against both the witnesses' known events of the day, and with the movement of the cell phone as shown from the calls that occurred before and after, we can make a good prediction as to the accuracy of the tower data for each call individually.

As there was no testimony at trial concerning the actual ranges of these towers, the below maps assume a conservative tower range of approximately two miles.
Prosecution's Story:
On the morning of January 13th, Adnan calls Jay from school, and then during his free period drives over to Jay's house to pick him up. Adnan plans to kill Hae that afternoon, so he leave his car and cell phone with Jay, so that Jay can pick him up after the murder has been committed.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, he called Jay from school to make sure Jay remembered to get a birthday present for his girlfriend, Stephanie. Adnan and Stephanie are also close friends, and he did not want her to be upset if Jay forgot to get her something:

I kind of had a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a gift. And I had free periods during school. So it was not abnormal for me to leave school to go do something and then come back. So I went to his house. And I asked him, did you happen to get a present for Stephanie? He said no. So I said, if you want to, you can drop me back off to school. You can borrow my car. And you can go to the mall and get her a gift or whatever. Then just come pick me up after track practice that day. (Episode 1.)

Jay's Stories:
Jay says that, on the morning of January 13th, Adnan called him from school and then drove over to pick him up, and they go shopping together. In some of Jay's statements, he claims that this was the first time he learned of the murder plan. In other statements, he claims he had learned of the plan the previous day. Although he sometimes also claims that parts of the murder were planned over the phone, Jay's stories generally claim Adnan enlisted his help in carrying out Hae's murder while the two of them were on a shopping trip together. However, he is inconsistent as to which shopping trip this was.

The Shopping Trip on January 12th: One of Jay's stories involves Adnan and Jay discussing Hae's murder during a shopping trip that occurred on January 12, 1999 - the day before Hae's murder. Jay informs Jenn of Adnan's plan to murder Hae, but she does not react to this news:

[I] went shopping with a friend of mine, an ex-friend of mine and ah, we ah, went to ah, ah, I just believe we went to Wal-Mart. . . . We had had a conversation. . . During the conversation he stated, um, that he was going to kill that bitch, referring to Hae Lee. . . . Ah, I didn't, I took it with contexts and stand out my inaudible. We went, he dropped, he returned me to my house ah, I paged [Jenn] um no I'm sorry. Yes I paged [Jenn], um, we went to the [ ] park. . . There I told her the conversation me and Adnan had had earlier that day. And her reaction was just about the same and then . . . Returned home about 10 o'clock, received
another call from Adnan. This time he had told me ah, that we're gonna hook up tomorrow. And that was it for the 12th. (Jay's Second Interview on March 15, 1999) (herein "Int.2").

The Shopping Trip on January 13th: Jay's other story involves a shopping trip that instead takes place on January 13th, before Hae's murder. Adnan calls Jay from school (the 10:45 a.m. call), and then goes to pick Jay up at his house:

I believe [Adnan] called me first. Um, he probably showed up at about 11, a little after 11 , 11:30, 11, 11:30 (Int.2 at 5).

That morning [on January 13th] [Adnan] called me and we took .... we were going to the Mall. He asked me if I could do him a favor. . . [Adnan called my house] a little after ten, about ten forty-five, quarter to eleven. I woke .... that is when I woke up. I showered so it was about an hour before I left. Ah we left the house, on the way to the Mall he asked me if I could do him a favor. . . (Int.1 at 2.)

Jay also confirms, in response to a detective's question, that Adnan "came to [Jay's] house about quarter of twelve, [ ] about an hour [ ] after he called" ( id.).

In his statements concerning the shopping trip on January 13, Jay's stories about what mall he and Adnan went to are not consistent. He names two different locations:

[W]e headed toward Westview mall. Um, we did a little shopping together. (Jay's First Interview on February 28, 1999) (herein "Int.1").

We went to Security Square Mall. (Int.2.)

Explanatory Note: This call is likely a good example of the tower data not guaranteeing that a call was made/received from the area typically covered by the the tower/antenna it ends up being routed through. There is no reason for the 12:07 p.m. call to have been made in the shaded territory - it doesn't fit any narratives, and no other calls are ever routed through L668. The most likely explanation is that the call was made within the territory typically covered by the tower directly to the west of L668, which is L651 - the Woodlawn tower.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go shopping together for a little while at Security Square Mall (just south of Best Buy ("BBPL"). Adnan tells Jay of his plan to kill Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he did not go shopping with Jay, and went back to school at around 11:30 a.m. However, he let Jay borrow his car and cell phone, so that Jay could go buy a birthday present for Stephanie, who is also a close friend of Adnan's. He tells Jay he will call after track practice so that Jay can come pick him up.
Jay's Story:
In his second interview, Jay tells the police that Adnan comes over and they go shopping for a birthday present for Stephanie. After a while, Jay says,

We left the mall. I took him to school. I dropped him off in the back of the school. He went up to class. He left his cell phone in the car with me, told me he'd call me. I went back to my friend Jenn's house and waited for him to call. (Int.1 at 7.)

When asked what time he dropped Adnan back off at school, he says it was between 12:45 and 1:15 p.m. ( id.).

At trial, Jay testified that:

On the way [back] to school, [Adnan] talked about his relationship with Hae, and said it was not going well. [Jay] testified that [Adnan] seemed hurt rather than angry. [Jay] then testified that [Adnan] said Hae made him mad and said, "I am going to kill that bitch." [Adnan] told [Jay] he could drop [Adnan] off at school and take [Adnan's] car as long as he picked [Adnan] up later. [Adnan] gave [Jay] [Adnan's] cell phone so that he could call [Jay] when he was ready to be picked up." (Appellant's Brief at 7.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that on the morning of January 13th, she and Jay made plans to hang out:

From work I called Jay. I asked if he wanted to come to my house and hang out. He said "sure swing by and pick him up." Um then he got back in touch with me to let me know not to come and get him that he would be at my house. Between . . . Twelve-thirty and one I got back to my house, between one and one-thirty Jay arrived at my house. (Jenn Int. at 1.).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call indicates that Jay is not at Jenn's house as of 12:07, as Jay would not have any reason to call "Jenn Home" if he were. Since Jenn says she was at work and did not get home until 12:30 or 1 p.m., Jay could not have spoken to her when he called her home. This means that this call cannot be the call that Jenn mentions when she says that Jay "got back in touch with me"; it is unclear how Jay got in touch with her.

It is worth noting that Jay's grandmother's house is within the range of the L652A tower.
Prosecution's Story:
After Adnan and Jay go shopping, Jay drops Adnan back off at school, and then drives Adnan's car to Jenn's house where he hangs out while awaiting Adnan's call.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is back at Woodlawn.
Jay's Story:
Jay says that he dropped Adnan back off at school after class. In both his first and second statements to the police, the detectives make sure that Jay clarifies he dropped Adnan off in the rear of the building (Int.1 at 3, 5; Int.2 at 6).

In his first statement, Jay said that after dropping Adnan off, he immediately went to his friend's Jenn's house. Jenn was not home, so he started playing video games with Jenn's 15-year-old brother, Mark. Then, "a little while [later] [Mark's] sister [Jenn] came in the house," at approximately 12:45 p.m. (Int.1 at 5).

In his second statement, Jay claims that he gets to Jenn's house at around 12:30, and Jenn gets home "probably about 1:30" (Int.2 at 8-9). He claims that after Jenn arrives at the house, they hang around all day, only leaving her house once:

Later that afternoon we had went out to her car. I think we had ran to the store, come back to get some soda or something like that. And we sitting in [Jenn's] car and I told her that ah, I think that ah, Adnan was gonna kill Hae. (Int.2 at 9.)

At trial, Jay's story changed somewhat (perhaps to account for the fairly obvious fact he did not spend the whole afternoon at Jenn's house, as he claimed in his first two police statements). He testified that, after dropping Adnan off at school, he called his friend Jenn at 12:07 p.m., and then "went to her home and played video games with Jen's brother Mark for about 30 minutes. Jen[n] was not home. [Jay] then left with Mark to go back to the mall. . . [H]e and Mark returned to Mark's house and Jen[n] was there." (Appellant's Brief at 7-8.) Jay also does not testify, like he told the police in the second interview, that he informed Jenn of Adnan's plan to kill Hae.

Additional note: to date, I have seen no explanation for why Jenn's 15-year-old brother was at home playing video games at noon on a Wednesday.
Jenn's Story:
In her statement to the police, Jenn claimed that she arrived at her home first, and Jay showed up about an hour later:

So want to say I got home probably between twelve-thirty and one and than I want to say that Jay got there probably between one and one-thirty, maybe as late a two, but I don't want to... I don't think it was that late. I think it was around one-thirty. So Jay gets there around one-thirty and we played video games, hang out. (Jenn's Police Interview at 6) (herein "Jenn Int.").

I remember Jay got to my house, he said he was wait... he sat the phone down on the coffee table and he said "I'm waiting for a phone call." I was like you know, "who's going to call you, what's" you know his cell phone... cell phone's out whatever, like it's just a cell phone... he was like "I'm suppose to get a call around three thirty" and I said "okay" and he said "that's when I'm leaving, around three-thirty when I get the phone call." (Jenn Int. at 9.)

Jenn says Jay later left her house sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 (Episode 4).

At trial, Jenn testified that on January 13, 1999, "[Jay] came over to her house in a tan car to hang out with her and her brother. [Jay] was acting different, not relaxed, and had a cell phone which was unusual. [Jay] said he was waiting for a call." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The fact that Jay calls "Jenn Home" shows that Jay is not at Jenn's house at 12:45 that day. Although this contradicts Jay's first story to the police, in which he claims to have gotten to Jenn's at around 12:30 p.m., by the time of Adnan's trial his story has been changed to say that he did not get to Jenn's house until around 1 p.m that day.

The timeline of when Jay and Jenn arrived at Jenn's house is never resolved, however, as both Jay and Jenn claim to have been the first person to have arrived at Jenn's house. Jay's first story is that he arrived at 12:30 p.m. and Jenn arrived at 1:30 p.m.; Jenn's story is that she arrived at 12:30 p.m., and Jay arrived at 1:30 p.m. At trial, Jay tells a completely new story to try and explain this fact: he claims that he went to Jenn's house at around 1 p.m., but she was not home, so he and Jenn's brother went to the mall to shop. When Jay and Jenn's brother returned from shopping, Jenn was home.

Significantly, the tower data for the 12:41 p.m. call contradicts all known narratives of what was occurring during this time period. The call pings a tower fives mile to the east of Jenn's house, close to downtown Baltimore, which makes its very unlikely that Jay was at Jenn's house at 12:41 p.m., or even that he was near Woodlawn or Security Square Mall. There is no explanation for what Jay was doing downtown at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Adnan's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay only mentions receiving or making one call before Hae's death, and that is a call from Adnan to the cell phone at 3:40 p.m. to tell Jay to pick him up. Jay says he received this call while at Jenn's house:

Detective: About three o'clock, so he . ... you're waiting around, he finally calls about three-forty?
Jay: Yes.

In Jay's second statement, Jay says that he had left Jenn's house and was driving somewhere else when Adnan called for a pickup. He says instead that he received three calls on the cell phone from Adnan while at Jenn's house, but that none of these calls were requesting a pickup:

Detective: [H]ow many phone calls did you receive?
Jay: 3.
Detective: And what was the nature of the calls?
Jay: Um, one was ah, to check and see if the phone was on.
Detective: And who made that call?
Jay: Adnan. Um, the other, the other was ah, the other was, I was telling him that I was gonna be there. That's where I was gonna be at, that was the 2nd one. And the 3rd one, I can't, it was very short, I can't remember what we conversated about. (Int.2 at 11.)

This indicates that the detectives have showed Jay the call records, and have asked Jay to explain each call on the list. The three incoming calls Jay is talking about must necessarily be the 12:43, 2:36, and 3:15 p.m. calls. At trial, the prosecution disregards this statement from Jay, and argues that the 2:36 p.m. call is Adnan's "come-and-get-me-call" from Best Buy. At the time of Jay's second interview, however, this theory had not been developed yet, and the detectives are still accepting Jay's story that Adnan did not call for a pick up until about 3:40 p.m. So their questions assume these three calls were made while Jay was at Jenn's.

This left the detectives with a problem. Since Adnan's cell records show no incoming call at 3:40 p.m., how did Adnan call at 3:40 p.m. for a pickup? Simple - he must have called Jenn's landline! So they ask Jay about that:

When asked to explain what he and Adnan discussed during the landline call, though, Jay gives an answer that does not help the detectives, because he doesn't say it was the "come-and-get-me" call:

Jay: Um, [Adnan] had told me he was, he inaudible, he was gonna need me to pick him up at a certain time, that was 3:30. I waited until 3:30, he didn't call, I left he house, ah with his car and cell phone. (Int.2 at 11.)

A little while later, the detectives ask Jay about the landline call again, suggesting that Adnan had given instructions to Jay, and asking Jay to describe those instructions. Instead, Jay just gives a new answer entirely:

Detective: And that [landline call] was giving you instructions or what was the phone conversation?
Jay: Ah, I'm leaving school. He told me he was leaving school then. (Int.2 at 11.)

Jay claims that the "come-and-get-me" call did not occur until a few minutes later, after leaving Jenn's house:

Jay: I left Jenn's house because [Adnan] didn't call me at the time that he said he was. And at that time I was half way between my house and [redacted]'s house. And he told me to meet him at Best Buy. (Int.2 at 12.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that she and Jay spent the afternoon "at [her] house, talked, listened to the radio played video games, played with my dog" (Jenn Int. at 9.) While Jay was at her house, Jay received two phone calls:

Um I don't want to say ..... I want to say that he wasn't ..... they weren't very long, they .... I think they were like inaudible and to the point like I don't think they sat down like inaudible or whatever on the phone. I don' t think... I mean I really don't remember exactly but I. (Jenn Int. at 9).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone is almost certainly not at Jenn's house, but is instead closer to downtown Baltimore.
The Prosecution's Story:
After Woodlawn let out at 2:15 p.m., Adnan caught a ride in Hae's car, and then strangled her to death in the Best Parking Lot ("BBPL"). At 2:36 p.m., Adnan used a pay phone outside of Best Buy to call his cell phone (which Jay had), and Adnan told Jay to pick him up. (Note: For various reasons, the prosecution's theory of the 2:36 call is not likely to be correct. It is not based on the testimony of any witness, and cannot be squared by known timelines, but it is the only call the prosecution can identify that might have come from Adnan. It is much more likely, however, that as of 2:36 p.m., Hae was still alive.)
Adnan's Story:
After school let out, he probably would have gone to the library and checked his e-mail, while waiting for track practice to start, which either begins at 3:30 (Episode 1), (Appellant's Brief at 5); or at 4:00 p.m. (Episode 5).
Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that Jay was waiting for a phone call, and planned to leave her house when he received it. Jay received several calls while he was at her house, but that he did not leave her house until sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 p.m.:

[Jay] just said he was waiting for a call and it was going to come around three-thirty, three forty-five, um Jay got a call and then I don't know what was said to him in conversation um than Jay got another call, got off the phone and then another call came in and I don't know if it was the same person or who it was and I don't know whether it was on my phone or whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. Um then Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen. (Jenn Int. at 1-2.)

Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, he says he spent the day at Jenn's house waiting or Adnan to call. Adnan told Jay he would call at around 3 p.m., but he actually calls at around 3:40 p.m.:

In Jay's second interview, he gives the exact same time for the call:

Jay is very consistent about Adnan calling to be picked up at 3:40 p.m.; however, we know from the cell phone records that his claim cannot be true.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone records show that, at 2:36 p.m., the cell phone was pinging through the Woodlawn tower. Because the phone records also show that Jay was not at Jenn's house from 12pm to 3:40pm (as he and Jenn have claimed), that leaves us with the following: (1) Jay was in vicinity of Hae's last-known location at the time that she went missing; and (2) Jay has no alibi for where he was during that time period.

Additional Note: Jay's explanation for why he lied about where the trunk pop occurred is completely nonsensical - or, at least, it is if you assume that Jay isn't lying about everything else. Jay's answer only makes sense if, in fact, that is the only question that Jay has actually answered truthfully. He's telling the truth about why he lied.

Because the reason Jay lied about where Hae was murdered was because he was worried there might have been cameras at that location. And if the police checked those cameras, they would see that it had been Jay, not Adnan, who was in the parking lot with Hae. Hence, in Jay's first statement, he gave the police a made up location, far away from Best Buy. But by the time of Jay's second interview, he had learned that Jenn had told the police about where Hae had been killed, and that there were in fact no cameras at that location.
The Prosecution's Story:
After receiving a call from Adnan at 2:36 p.m., Jay picks up Adnan from the Best Buy Parking Lot. Adnan then shows him Hae's body in the trunk of her car. They leave the Best Buy, with Adnan driving Hae's car and Jay driving Adnan's car, and head to the I-70 Park'n'Ride ("I70PnR"), where Adnan ditches Hae's car. Both Jay and Adnan get into Adnan's car and drive away.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.

At trial, Inez Hendricks testified that that Adnan "was on the track team, and practice begins by 3:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 5).
Jay's Stories (Five Versions):
In Jay's first interview, Jay tells the police that he was at Jenn's house from a little after noon until "Adnan called him about 3:45 p.m. saying 'come pick me up.'" Jay explains that he went to pick Adnan up at a location 20 minutes away (marked above with an asterisk), "from off of Edmondson Avenue at a strip," and that when Jay got there, Adnan "popped the trunk open," revealing Hae's body (Jay's 2/28/99 Interview).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that when Adnan called Jay at 3:40 p.m., Adnan told him that "that bitch is dead. Come and get me. I'm at Best Buy." In the same interview, Jay explains why he lied about where he saw the body the first time:

Detective MacGillivary: "Why did you lie about the location?"

Jay: "Uh, I figured there was cameras there or somebody had spotted him doing what he was doing." (Id.)

In Jay's third interview, on April 13, 1999, Jay "told police that [Adnan] killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that [Adnan] paid him to help" (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's fourth story, which he tells his friend Chris, is that he was at a pool hall in Catonsville when Adnan called. Adnan then drove to the pool hall in Hae's car, and that is where the "trunk pop" occurs.

Jay's fifth story, which he tells his friend Tayyib, is that:

Jay told Tayib that Adnan had called Jay the day before asking for his help in the murder. Jay said his reply to Adnan was that he would not help in the killing of Hae, but he would help Adnan bury the body. Jay further went on to tell Tayib that he met Adnan on the day of the incident at a gas station w[h]ere Adnan showed Jay the body. ( Comment on Tayyib's Statement.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn initially said that Jay was still at her house at the time of this call, because he was there until "well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen." Accordingly, Jay would still have had Adnan's phone at the time of this call. However, at trial, Jenn changes her story, and says instead that Jay left her house that day sometime between 3:00 and 3:30 p.m. (Brief of Appellant at 13).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Whoever has the cell phone appears to have been at or near Woodlawn. There is no evidence as to whom the 3:15 p.m. call was from.
The Prosecution's Story:
After ditching the car at the Park'n'Ride, "to hear Jay tell it, [he and Adnan] just kind of tool around Baltimore County together for a while as if nothing had happened- buy some weed, cruise around, make some calls. After a while, Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn High School." (Episode 1.) While in Adnan's car, with Adnan, Jay makes a call to Jenn to see if his weed dealer, Patrick, is at his home.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.
Jay's Stories:
Jay claims he was at Jenn's house until 3:40 p.m., which means he should still have been at Jenn's house at the time of this call.

If you instead use the timeline offered by the prosecution at trial, which disregards Jay's timeline and claims instead that Jay picked up Adnan from Best Buy shortly after 2:36 p.m., then the 3:21 p.m. call occurred sometime around when Adnan and Jay are at the Park'n'Ride.

In Jay's first and second police statements, he makes no mention of any call to Jenn during the afternoon. Instead, Jay claims, in the ride-along with the police on March 18, 1999, that after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, he and Adnan wanted to find some weed. They then called Jay's friend "Patrick"** to see if he could sell them any, but Patrick was not home, so Jay left a message on Patrick's answering machine (Episode 5). (**Note: The transcript identifies the friend as "Pete," but the call records identify him as "Patrick." It is possible that this is a mistaken transcription, and that Jay said "Pat" during the statement, and it was misheard as "Pete." I have been unable to confirm what Jay actually says, but for now I will assume "Patrick" and "Pete" are the same individual, and refer to him as Patrick.)

At trial, in order to explain this discrepancy, Jay testified that, after ditching Hae's car at the Park'nRide, "he called Jenn [ ] first, at 3:21 to find out if Patrick was home" (Episode 5). When Jenn did not know where Patrick was, he and Adnan then tried calling Patrick, before later giving up and driving to Forrest Park to buy weed from a corner salesman. Jay testified that this call to Jenn was made after he and Adnan had left the Park'n'Ride, and were driving south on Cooks Lane towards Patrick's house (which is off of Edmondson):

Whatever version of the story you go by, Jay's story has two big problems here. First, the Patrick call doesn't happen until 3:59 p.m., a full 40 minutes after Jay made the 3:21 p.m. call to Jenn. And second, the call records show that the call was made while in the area close to Best Buy - not the Park'n'Ride, and not on the way to Patrick's house. Jay is lying about where this call was made, and almost certainly the why as well.
Jenn's Story:
Jenn testified that Jay would not have called her to find out where Patrick was, because "[t]hats just not a thing that would have happened" (Episode 5). This contradicts Jay's story.

It is unclear whether, at trial, Jenn denies ever receiving a call from Jay at 3:21 p.m., or if she only denies that it was to ask about Patrick.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jay cannot be at Jenn's home, as he and Jenn repeatedly told the police and testified at trial. The cell phone records show that the phone was near Woodlawn for the entire time of Hae's probable abduction and/or murder, and that the phone was being used to call "Jenn Home" during this same time period. As Adnan has no reason to call Jenn, it is virtually certain that the call was made by Jay.

Jay's police statements are also inconsistent with this call. In his first interview, he does not mention ever making any calls to Jenn, at any point. In Jay's second interview, he tells the police that after he and Adnan left the Park'n'Ride, he decided to call Patrick to buy some weed. It is not until trial that Jay claims to have called Jenn, in order to find out if Patrick was home.

Explanatory Note: For a more in-depth discussion of the Nisha Call and why I believe it to be significant, please see Why the Nisha Call Shows That Hae Was Murdered at 3:32 p.m..

Of all the phone calls made on the day of Hae's murder, this one is the hardest for all sides to explain. Because even though three people were involved in the call - Nisha, Jay, and Adnan - not a single one of them seems to remember this conversation taking place, at least not on the date and at the location shown in the cell phone records.

But because Nisha is only friends with Adnan, and because Jay has no apparent reason to call her if he is not with Adnan, this one is hands-down the worst evidence for Adnan's case. If Adnan was at track, as he says, he could not have made this call. However, neither the prosecution, Jay, or Nisha have a plausible explanation for this call, either. Given that Nisha's number was saved at the top of the list in Adnan's cell phone, and given that Jay's explanation for the call (as discussed below) does not appear to be true, this call casts doubt on Adnan's case but is far from conclusive.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay are in Adnan's car, having ditched Hae's car. Adnan calls Nisha, and then puts Jay on the phone to talk to her. (This means that Hae's car must have been ditched at this time - if it hasn't, then both Adnan and Jay could not have spoken on the phone.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at track practice and does not have the phone.
Jay's Story:
Although Jay claims he did not leave Jenn's place until 3:45 p.m. (and therefore would not be with Adnan at the time of this call), Jay does say he remembers the call with Nisha. In his written itinerary on 3/18/99 (after, it should be noted, he has already been repeatedly confronted with the cell phone records), Jay says Adnan did call Nisha while he and Jay were driving around getting his, and that after he called her, "Adnan handed the phone to Jay at the golf course on West Forest Park Avenue" (Episode 5).

Jay's story is not supported (although not disproven, either) by the tower data, as the pings for all calls from 2:36 p.m to 3:59 p.m., including this call, hit tower L651, which is the tower that is very close to both Best Buy and Woodlawn High School. This makes it unlikely (but again, not impossible) that the call occurred as Jay says it did.
Nisha's Story:
Nisha testified that she recalled having a phone conversation with Adnan when he put Jay on the phone. But there's a problem with this story - Nisha remembers the call happening at night, and while Jay and Adnan were at a video store that Jay worked at. But the call that happened on January 13, 1999, happened in the middle of the afternoon, and Jay would not begin working at the video store until weeks after Hae's murder.

This makes the phone call Nisha remembers unlikely to be the same phone call as the one that happened on the day Hae died, but it does nothing to explain what conversation did happen that day.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Although the Nisha call is currently unexplained by all theories of the case, the cell phone records do confirm that - whatever the circumstances under which it was made - a call was likely placed by someone using Adnan's phone, from somewhere in the Woodlawn area, to Nisha.

Explanatory Note: At this point, I have not seen anything explaining who Phil is, but he is presumably Jay's friend, and not Adnan's.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed for a couple hours.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track practice or waiting for track to begin, which would have been at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Story:
To my knowledge, Jay has never once identified "Phil" or explained why Phil was called. Phil is not mentioned at any point during either Jay's first or second interviews. Jay may have discussed Phil at trial, but if so, I have seen nothing referencing it.

The Phil call is interesting, however, in that it was made at 3:48 p.m. - which is almost exactly the same time that Jay claims Adnan called him from Best Buy, asking Jay to come pick him up. But under the state's timeline (which has Jay going to pick up Adnan at 2:36 p.m.), by the time of the 3:48 p.m. call, Jay and Adnan must be on their way to Forest Park to buy weed, having ditched the car at the Park'n'Ride

Perhaps, however, part of Jay's story about the "come-get-me" call is true. Hae's murderer did indeed place a call at 3:45 p.m., asking a friend for help in disposing of Hae's body... but the caller was Jay, and the friend was the mysterious Phil, of whom we know almost nothing.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower. Based solely on tower data, it appears that the cell phone (whether it is in Jay's possession alone, or whether it is with both Jay and Adnan) is still in the vicinity of where Hae was murdered, but it could also be explained by the killer driving Hae's car to the I-70 Park'n'Ride. The call does ping an antenna eastward from where it had pinged in the three calls in the previous half hour, and it is well within reason that a call from the Park'n'Ride would route through a cell phone tower to the west (particularly given the topography of that area). Also possible, however, is that the cell phone has not moved during this time period, and the killer is still in the same location as the crime scene, with both Adnan's and Hae's cars. Perhaps that is why whoever has the cell phone is calling friends, to see if anyone can lend a hand.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan would be at track practice, which starts either at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first interview, Jay does not ever mention calling any of his friends. There is no discussion of Patrick, or a call made to Patrick, or of going somewhere to buy weed. Jay says that immediately after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride,

we went um we dropped an L back in the woods, back at [Patapsco] State Park (Int.1 at 10).

Jay and Adnan are at the cliffs at Patapsco for approximately half an hour. At approximately 4:30 p.m., Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn, and drops him off at track practice ( id. at 10-11).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that, after dropping Hae's car off at the Park'n'Ride, he calls his friend Patrick to see if they can buy some weed, but Patrick is not home, so he leaves a message. When asked how long he was on the phone, Jay say:

Um, the machine it'll ring 4 or 5 times before the machine'll pick up. There' s a long song on there. Um, then his sister comes on, maybe like 4 minutes. (Int.2 at 16.)

The call was actually only 25 seconds long, so his claim about 4 minutes is way off. The claim that it lasted "like 4 minutes" is, however, intriguingly close to the time the call was made - 3:59 p.m. In light of the extensive coaching that the detectives provide to Jay during his second interview, it is possible that Jay has been shown the call records and asked to explain them, and mistakenly believed the call to Patrick lasted 3 minutes and 59 seconds, rather than that it had been made at 3:59 p.m.

Regardless of this mistake about the duration of the call, however, there is a problem with this story - Jay also claims that he and Adnan spoke to Nisha while they were in Forest Park. But that call was thirty minutes earlier, at 3:32, and Jay says that he and Adnan didn't go to Forest Park until after he called Patrick - at 3:59 p.m. Both things can't be true. Either Jay and Adnan drove to Forest Park after calling Patrick to ask about the weed, or else they did so before calling him. But in any event, both stories appear to be equally false, because they are not supported by the tower records.

Also - everything else aside, this is a really really odd story. Jay and Adnan have a body in the trunk, and their reaction is to call around to score some weed? Come on. From everything we know about both Jay and Adnan, neither of them are that monumentally stupid. And everything we know about human nature suggests that someone who has committed a carefully premeditated murder does not then go drive around the city calling people and hoping to score weed. Whoever made these calls, and whoever the killer is, I would bet an awful lot of money that the 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls had nothing to do with scoring weed and everything to do with a panicky murderer (or murderers) trying to figure out next steps.

In any event, Jay claims that after leaving the Park'n'Ride and calling Patrick's answering machine, he and Adnan

head to Forrest Park to see if we couldn't find that corner salesman there um. We go down there, we buy 2 dime sacks. Um, we turn around, I believe we stopped to get blunts on um, Rogers and Gwynn Oak, Gwynn Oak and Rogers on the corner of Gwynn Oak and Rogers. (Int.2 at 16.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower, possibly indicating that the killer is still at the Park'n'Ride with Hae's vehicle.

If so, the 3:58 call may in fact be the real "come-and-get-me" call. One (very speculative) scenario: after killing Hae, if Jay decided to move her car to a new location away from the scene of the crime, Jay would be stuck with a two-car problem. After abandoning Hae's car (either at the Park'n'Ride, or somewhere near - a call from the Park'n'Ride could have been routed through L651, so that remains a possibility), he would either have a long walk back to Adnan's car (approximately forty minutes, if at the Park'n'Ride), or else he would need someone to pick him up and drive him back. The 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls could then be explained by Jay calling his friends to see who could give him a lift. Jay might have called Phil first, and when Phil wasn't available, Jay tried a friend and/or drug dealer. (Come to think of it, if you need a getaway vehicle, calling up a drug dealer buddy might be a smart idea - "Hey Pat, this is Jay - I'd love to buy some weed, can you hook me up? Except, small problem, I don't have a ride - but if you swing by and pick me up, we can then go and smoke some of what I buy?"). Whatever happened during these two calls, it appears that, based on the tower data from the call following this one, Patrick might have come through for Jay.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is still at track practice.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first and second interviews on 2/28/99 and 3/15/99, and in his written itinerary on 3/18/99, Jay tells the exact same story: that at 4:30 p.m., he and Adnan drive to Patapsco State Park to smoke weed and watch the sunset, which would have occurred at 5:05 p.m. (Episode 5).

In Jay's third interview with the police, on 4/13/99, Jay states that - rather than travel to Patapsco after the crime - Adnan killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that Jay was there too, because Adnan had paid him to help with the murder and/or body disposal. This story is contradicted by all of Jay's other versions of what happened, and - based on the timelines - it is pretty much impossible. Actually, it's entirely impossible, it simply could not have happened.

Likely realizing this (or, more likely, being instructed on this by a prosecutor and/or defense attorney), Jay does not testify about any Patapsco trip at Adnan's trial. The whole visit to the cliffs there to smoke weed just falls out of the story completely. Instead, Jay's trial testimony just has him and Adnan driving around aimlessly for a bit, until eventually Jay drops Adnan off at track practice.
Jenn's Story:
As discussed supra, Jenn says she got home from work a little after 12pm, and Jay showed up a little while after that. She and Jay

hung out at my house and th[e]n I guess around three-thirty, three forty-five[,] Jay got a call and then . . . Jay got another call . . . and then another call came in and I don't know . . . Whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. [ ] [T]hen Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three-forty and four-fifteen. I left my house between four-fifteen and four-thirty to go pick up my parents from work."

At Adnan's trial, Jenn testified that on January 13th, Jay came over "to hang out with her and her brother," and that "[a]t 3:00-3:30 p.m., [Jay] left her house. After 4:30 p.m., Jennifer called her friend [Cathy's] house and [Jay] was there." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jenn is lying. If Jay was at her place until "well after 3:45," and she left pretty much immediately after, how is Jay calling "Jenn Home" at 4:21? And why doesn't Jenn tell the police that Jay called her immediately after he left her house?

The most plausible explanation for Calls 10 and 11 is that:

1. Jay got help either in moving Hae's car to the Park'n'Ride (if two cars were driven there), or Jay got a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (if only Hae's car was driven there). The calls at 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. are from Jay, either (i) after he has driven Hae's car somewhere to ditch it, and calling to ask for a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (or other parking lot near Woodlawn), possibly under the pretext of buying weed from the mysterious Phil and Patrick, or (ii) while Jay is still at the crime scene, and calling to straight up ask for help in transporting Hae's and Adnan's car to the Park'n'Ride. If the latter option is what occurs it could be that Jay finally got through to Patrick, who agrees to help, and Jay does the infamous "trunk pop" to Patrick when he arrives. Jay then ditches Hae's car and is reunited with Adnan's car, with an assist from Patrick; and,

2. At 4:21 p.m., after recovering Adnan's car, Jay calls "Jenn Home" to see if she's around. She is. Jay then goes to Jenn's house at around 4:30 p.m. for them to hang out, while Jay tries to figure out what the hell to do next. (Interesting note: it's only a 20-minute walk from the Park'n'Ride to Jenn's house. Perhaps this could explain some of Jay's movements.) While at Jenn's house, Jay is in fact "waiting for a phone call," as Jenn will later testify. Because the phone call that Jay is expecting is from Adnan - calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track, just like he and Jay had agreed upon. At 4:58, Jay gets that call and goes to get Adnan, before they both go to Cathy's.

3. At 6:00 p.m., Jenn calls Cathy's apartment, and Cathy tells Jenn that Adnan and Jay are at her place. This is why in Jenn insists that Jay left her house "after 3:45 p.m." (police statement) or at "3:00-3:30 p.m." (trial testimony), but also insists that when she calls her friend Cathy "after 4:30 p.m.," Cathy tells her that Jay is already there. These two events (Jay leaving Jenn's, and Jenn calling Cathy to learn that Jay is there) really do happen about an hour apart - but they occur at 5pm and 6pm, not 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.

In fact, the only way all the timelines can fit together - without simply deciding that the trip to Jenn's or the trip to Cathy's or the trip to Woodlawn never occurred at all - is if Jay's visit to Jenn occurs after Hae is already dead. That's why Jay is "acting weird" when he's at Jenn's house. That's why Jay tells Jenn that he is "waiting for a phone call" - because Adnan told Jay he would be calling for a pickup after track was over. And the 4:12 p.m. call is Jay calling to see if Jenn is home, either asking for help, or telling her he is coming over.

And that's also why Jenn and Jay both insist over and over again that Jay was at Jenn's until "well after 3:45" - because Jenn's story about Jay being at her place until "3:45 p.m." is something she was told to say in order to give Jay an alibi. If Jay killed Hae, then Jay might know that Hae was killed a little before 3:45 (i.e., a little before the call to Phil at 3:48). Even though the police have some mistaken theory about Hae dying at 2:30 p.m., Jay knows it was at least an hour later - and in case the police know that to, Jay has to make sure his alibi accounts for that time period.

So even though the call records show that Jay was probably at Jenn's house from 4:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. on January 13 (assuming he was there at all), Jay has told Jenn to make sure her story includes that he was at her place until "after 3:45 p.m." Because that is the critical window.

This would also mean that neither the Patapsco trip nor any of the other side quests Jay has mentioned ever happened at all. The trip to buy weed, if it actually happened (I'm skeptical), is the sole detour that even could have possibly occurred, according to the call records, but that call could just as easily show instead a ping from the Park'n'Ride.

Additional Note: Here is where the real speculation comes in. Remember Neighbor Boy? The friend of Jay's, who told one of his neighbors that he had seen Hae's body in the back of a trunk? It may have been simply been bunk, some kid trying to make himself sound cool by telling a story. But I would be awfully curious to know if there is any connection between Neighbor Boy and either Phil or Patrick...

While I have not been able to obtain any information on Phil, I was able to find one very speculative, but possibly interesting, bit of information about Patrick. In 1999, Patrick's home address was for a road off Edmondson Ave - a few blocks down from where Hae's car was abandoned after her burial.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed. Maybe they went to White Castle or something, idk.

Note: For an explanation of why this call shows that Jay's story was coached to fit the cellphone records, please see this post.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track from the time it started (at 3:30 p.m., or maybe 4 p.m., witnesses testify to different times).
Jay's Story:
Jay says that, after driving around and smoking for a while, Adnan "told [Jay] that [he] had to take him back to school because he needed to be seen" at track practice, so that he could establish an alibi for Hae's murder (Episode 1). Adnan told Jay he would call him to pick him up when track was over.

In Jay's first police statement, Jay said that he went back to his home after dropping Adnan off at track, and that he was still at home when Adnan called him to ask to be picked up.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay said that, after dropping Adnan at track (which the detectives carefully specify was done in the front of the building, on the circle), he went to a park to smoke a blunt, and then went to Cathy's apartment where he smoked some more:

At Adnan's trial, Jay testified at trial that, after dropping Adnan off, he "went to [Cathy's] house, smoked some marijuana, and debated about what to do. [Cathy] and her boyfriend were there." (Appellant's Brief at 9.) Then, "[a]bout 30 minutes later, [Adnan] called and [Jay] went to school to get him" ( id.). The story about Jay going to "Cathy's" apartment after dropping Adnan at track is unverified by any other source that I am aware of, and appears to be a fabrication - because Cathy did not arrive home until after 5:00 p.m. that day.
Jenn's Story:
At trial, Jenn says that "after 4:30 p.m.," she called her friend Cathy, and Jay was at Cathy's apartment at that time (Brief of Appellant at 13). However, based on Cathy's testimony, it seems almost certain that Jenn's call to Cathy occurred after 6 p.m., because Cathy says she did not get home until after 5:00 p.m., and that when Jenn called her, both Adnan and Jay were at her apartment.
Cathy's Story:
We know that Jay does go to Cathy's apartment at some point on January 13th, but it was almost certainly after picking Adnan up from track, and not before track like Jay claims. Why? Because Cathy testified that she did not arrive home until "5:00-5:15 p.m." that day, and that Jay and Adnan showed up "later" (Brief of Appellant at 13). Cathy said, in her statement, that:

while Jay and Adnan were there, Jenn called the apartment. Or maybe it was she that called Jenn . . . But she does remember talking to Jenn and saying, 'Jay's here with some kid who's practically passed out on the cushions.' And Jenn thought that was curious, like, 'what's Jay doing there?' She told Cathy that Jay had been acting weird earlier in the day too. (Episode 6.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The tower records show that the cell phone was near both Jay's house and Jenn's house from 4:30 to 5:00 p.m. - and therefore wholly inconsistent with Jay going to Cathy's before getting Adnan from track. In fact, the three calls we know for certain were made from Cathy's - the 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 p.m. calls - all pinged towers farther south, close to Cathy's, as expected, but the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls both ping towers to the north of Cathy's, next to Jenn's and Jay's places.

This cell phone data is consistent with Jay committing the crime alone. After ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, Jay either goes to Jenn's place or returns to his home. It is now 4:30 p.m., and Jay is aware that Adnan will soon be calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track. There would not have been enough time for Jay to dispose of Hae's body (and also it would have been too risky to do so in the daylight). If Jay goes to Jenn's house, then this perfectly explains Jenn's police statement (see Call 11) in which she describes Jay receiving several calls. These are the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls. Perhaps after leaving Jenn's house, Jay returns home to get shovels for later use, and puts them in the trunk of Adnan's car. After all, Jay says it takes him 15 minutes to pick up Adnan from practice after Adnan calls, and a drive from Jenn's to Jay's to Woodlawn would have taken about 13 minutes.
The Prosecution's Story:
At trial, the prosecution's story is that, at the time of this call, Jay and Adnan are in Forrest Park buying weed.
Adnan's Story:
After track, Adnan says he would have called Jay to pick him up. The 4:58 p.m. call would likely have been Adnan calling his cell phone to let Jay know he was done.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay said that he and Adnan were in Patapsco State Park smoking weed at the time of this call.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claimed that he dropped Adnan back off at Woodlawn for track practice at about the time this call occurred.

At trial, Jay testified that he and Adnan were buying weed in Forrest Park at the time of this call.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call was almost certainly from Adnan, telling Jay that track is over and to come pick him up. That would be consistent with everything we can establish about the witnesses' timelines.

It is virtually certain Adnan was at track that day. Why? Because regardless of whether Jay is guilty or innocent, his testimony about Adnan going to track is credible - Jay has no reason to lie about that specific fact, and many reasons to tell the truth.

If Jay did kill Hae, then when the police interviewed him and made it clear that they thought Adnan was their suspect, Jay would have been given a motive to frame Adnan. However, since Jay knew that he had picked up Adnan from track practice that day, Jay's story had to include the fact that Adnan went to track - because Jay knew that people had seen Adnan at track, and Jay assumed that people would remember that. (In fact, only a single witness has specific memories of Adnan being at track that day. Other witnesses have also stated that they believe Adnan was there that day, even if they do not have a specific memory of it, because if Adnan had not showed they would have remembered that.)

On the other hand, if Jay's story about Adnan killing Hae is true, then he likewise has every reason to tell the truth about track practice. If he says Adnan did not go to track, but someone remembered seeing him there, Jay's story would begin to look questionable. Additionally, Jay has no reason to misremember dropping Adnan off at track.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 5:14 call was an incoming call that was not answered, and a voicemail message lasting one minute, seven seconds was then left on Adnan's phone. As Adnan did not know how to check his voicemail yes, the message is not retrieved until January 14th.

Adnan was likely still at track practice at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
It is unclear how exactly the prosecution explains this call. The call is made to one of Adnan's friends - Krista - which should suggest that Adnan has the phone. But Jay's story claims he does not pick up Adnan from track until about 6:00 p.m.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picks him up from track at around 5:15 p.m., he and Jay go over to Cathy's apartment. Adnan does not know Cathy, but Jay knows Cathy through Jenn, as she is Cathy's sorority sister.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay claims that after track practice (at around 7 p.m., so much later than the call records can support) he and Adnan go to a McDonald's off of Rolling Road and have dinner.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claims he and Adnan go to Cathy's apartment at around 6:15 p.m., so a little after this call. Jay also claims that, at around 5:45 p.m., Adnan calls from track to ask to be picked up - a claim that cannot be reconciled with the 5:38 p.m. call to Krista.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
As much as anything about the timeline of that day can be called established fact, the time period from about 5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. appears to be the most well accounted for.

At approximately 5:15 p.m., Jay picks Adnan up from track, and they then go to "Cathy's" (not-her-real-name's) house. Cathy is a friend of Jenn's. Cathy sort of knows Jay, through Jenn, but Adnan and Cathy had never met before that day. Adnan almost certainly has his cell phone back again by the time of this call - Krista is a friend of Adnan's, not Jay's, and Jay is unlikely to be calling her.

The tower ping at L653 could show that Adnan and Jay are driving from Woodlawn to "Cathy's" house. Or, as Jay says, they could be at a McDonald's getting dinner. And by "getting McDonald's," what I actually mean is "getting high and then really needing some Chicken McNuggets."

Explanatory Note: There is little/no dispute that Jay and Adnan arrived at Cathy's sometime between 5:30 p.m. and 6:00 p.m, where they hung out and smoke weed until approximately 6:30 p.m., before both left in Adnan's car.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go to Cathy's after track practice, although the precise time is hard to reconcile between Jay's and Cathy's testimonies.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picked Adnan up from track, they smoke some pot, and then Jay takes them to Cathy's apartment.
Cathy's Story:
At trial, Cathy testified that:

On January 13, 1999, at 5:00-5:15 p.m., she arrived home, and her boyfriend Jeff [ ] was there. [Jay] and [Adnan] arrived later . . . They all watched television at about 6:00 p.m. Appellant was lying on some pillows on her floor when he asked, 'how do you get rid of a high?' (Brief of Appellant at 13-14.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jay's testimony, which is that he was at Cathy's before leaving to pick up at Adnan, and then returning to her house. Cathy (and apparently Jeff) never confirm that Jay had already been at their house earlier that afternoon.

Also, according to Cathy, Jay and Adnan just showed up at her place out of the blue:

I was kinda surprised and a little confused because [Jay] didn't call me unless he was with Jenn and nobody had called to say 'hey are you guys home? Do you guys want to hang out?' Nothing like that. So it was a little strange that he would just pop up at the door. I remember him being like, 'do you want to smoke? Do you wanna hang out?' And I remember being like, 'well hang on a second,' and asking Jeff if he wanted to- 'Jay's at the door!' Jeff was like, 'for what?' 'Well he wants to hang out.' And Jeff was like, 'that's cool.' So Jay came in and he introduced his friend, I don't think he introduced him by name, I think he was just like, 'this is a friend of mine.' (Episode 6.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jenn's testimony. According to Jenn, she and Jay "had plans to go to [Cathy's] house together that evening" (Brief of Appellant at 13). So why does Cathy seem to think it was a total surprise to see Jay there?
Cathy's Story:
Cathy recalls that Adnan received a call from someone, but that it was "not lengthy." After the call, Adnan was asking, "what if they come talk to me, what should I say, [ ] what should I do."
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
It is not firmly established who the 6:09 call was from, but Sarah Koenig gives a fairly convincing explanation on the podcast - it was from Adnan's friend, Aisha, telling Adnan that she had told the police to speak with him about Hae:

So maybe Aisha called Adnan at 6:09, says "I just talked to the police and they're going to get in touch with you too." Aisha says that Adnan was annoyed. Maybe that's what Cathy interpreted as panicked. I think we can all stipulate that Adnan was super stoned. He told me he had weed in the car and was worried the cops were going to find it if they came to talk to him. So, imagine for a second that Adnan is talking to Aisha and says something like . . . What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? They're gonna come talk to me. What am I supposed to say?" (Episode 9.)

Additionally, although this call pings a different tower from the 6:07 p.m. call, it is virtually certain that the cell phone remains at the same location - Cathy's house - at all times between 6:07 and 6:24.

Explanatory Note: This call was almost certainly from the police, asking if Adnan has seen Hae. As Koenig describes the start of the investigation:

"Hae's brother called the cops that afternoon. Officer Scott Adcock arrives from the Baltimore County PD. His initial report records the time as 5:12 p.m. Adcock calls Aisha and Adnan asking if they've seen Hae." (Episode 9.)

Officer Adcock's Story:
Office Adcock testified that, during this phone call, Adnan told him he'd asked Hae for a ride, but that he'd been "held up" at school and missed the ride. (One of Hae's friends, Becky, gives a somewhat similar story - she says that Adnan asked Hae for a ride, but that at 2:20 p.m., Hae tells Adnan that she won't be able to give him a ride, and Adnan says "OK, I'll just ask someone else."
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says that he remembers this phone call:

"Oh no, uh, I do remember that phone call and I do remember being high at the time because the craziest thing is to be high and have the police call your phone. I'll never forget that." (Episode 6.)

But Adnan does not recall asking Hae for a ride that day, or telling the officer that he asked for one.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock calls while he and Adnan were at McDonald's.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock called when he and Adnan were "leaving [Cathy's] apartment," and were "stepping from the foyer into the hallway." Jay says he then begins to panic.
Cathy's Story:
Cathy says that, a little while after receiving a phone call, Adnan just leaves, heading out the door, and Jay follows Adnan out, leaving his "hat and smokes" at Cathy's (Episode 6). Adnan and Jay go downstairs and get into Adnan's car. Cathy sees them stay there, for "[l]ike a minute . . . just sitting out in the car."
What the Call Records Show:
Based on the timing of the 5:38, 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 calls, what appears to have happened is that, after Jay picked up Adnan from track, Jay and Adnan go to smoke. Adnan gets really, really high. Jay and Adnan then show up at Cathy's sometime between 5:40pm and 6:00pm. At 6:07, Hae's brother calls asking about Hae. At 6:09, Aisha calls, and tells Adnan that the police are going to call him. Adnan freaks; he is super high, and the police are about to call him, and he starts asking, "What do I do if the cops call me? How do I get rid of a high?" Ten minutes later, he and Jay leave Cathy's apartment. In the hallway, Officer Adcock calls Adnan, and Adnan and Jay get into Adnan's parked car while speaking to the officer for a little over 4 minutes. They then drive away.
Yaser's Story:
To my knowledge, Yaser has never been questioned about this phone call. Yaser was a friend of Adnan's, although it's unclear how close they were. Yaser is also the individual identified by the anonymous caller as someone the police should speak to, because Yaser, according to the caller, knows something about Adnan's involvement in the murder.
Adnan's Father's Story:
Adnan's father testified at trial that, on January 13, 1999, Adnan "attended religious services with [him] from 7:30 p.m. to 10:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 16). Adnan's mosque was close to his home, and is marked above with an asterisk.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "after the Adcock call, he and Adnan left Cathy's and then they do a bunch of different things: they drive to Jay's house for shovels, then to I-70 Park & Ride for Hae's car, then Jay goes to McDonald's back by school to wait for Adnan, says he's there waiting for about 20 minutes, then they drive all around for awhile back over to Patapsco, then up Dogwood, to Security, before they finally get to Leakin Park." (Episode 5.) There's a huge problem with Jay's story though. Doing what Jay describes "takes an hour and twenty minutes. Twice as long as, in other words, than the call log accounts for." ( Id.).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 6:59 p.m. call pings a tower that covers Adnan's home and mosque, but not Jay's house. Jay does claim that he went to the McDonald's by school to wait for Adnan for 20 minutes after picking up Hae's car, but Jay does not explain why on earth he and Adnan would add this trip to their itinerary. One possible explanation is that it's an attempt to explain why the 6:59 call and the 7:00 p.m. call pinged at Woodlawn.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, "he's pretty sure he was with his phone at that time after track. Again, his memory is vague, it's full of I probably would haves. But he says that from what he can remember of the evening, after he got the call from Office Adcock, he remembers dropping Jay off at some point and then he says he would have gone to the mosque for prayers. It was Ramadan. He doesn't say he lent his phone out or his car to Jay or anyone else that evening."

But if Adnan did kill Hae, this is quite possibly the most baffling thing Adnan could say. Why on earth would his story be that he is "pretty sure he was with his phone" at that time, when, if he is guilty, he knew full well that is exactly when Hae was buried? Why would he lie about everything else, but tell the truth about this damning detail - when he could just as easily have said instead that he let Jay borrow his phone that evening? Or even just say that he "might've" let Jay borrow his phone? Why would Adnan make such a bold-faced lie about going to mosque that evening (when there could potentially be dozens of witnesses who could confirm that he did not go to mosque), but then not go a tiny step further and say he doesn't remember having his phone, but he frequently lent it out to Jay, and might have done so that night?

A simpler explanation is that Adnan really just doesn't remember letting Jay borrow his phone and car while he was at mosque. Which isn't an entirely satisfying explanation, but it makes more sense than a guilty Adnan lying about everything else and telling the truth about this single incriminating thing. After all, it is pretty much established fact that Adnan was as high as a kite at 6:30pm that night; him being fuzzy on the details is at least explainable. And if Jay had asked to borrow the the car, wouldn't Adnan have probably agreed, based on his willingness to allow Jay to borrow it earlier? After all, he's going to be in mosque for a couple hours, it wouldn't be any inconvenience to him. Alternatively, perhaps Adnan felt he was too high to drive, e.g., "How do you make a high go away?" In which case Jay "offered" to drive an impaired Adnan to mosque, and then needed to "borrow" the car to drive back to Cathy's - while promising Adnan he'd return the car when mosque was out.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, he "was supposed to meet [Jenn] at 7:00 p.m., so he paged her at 7:00 p.m. from Leakin Park" (Appellant's Brief at 9). Jay does not explain why he was supposed to meet Jenn at 7:00 p.m., or when he and Jenn made this agreement.
Jenn's Story:
In Jenn's police statement, she says that,

between six-thirty, anytime, after I got home from picking my parents up, to seven-thirty. I guess it's between that. I was in my bedroom ah getting dress because I knew I was going out later to just hang out at my friend Cathy's house. (Jenn Int. at 13.)

While getting ready to go to Cathy's, she then gets a message from Jay. Or maybe two messages. The source of this message is very unclear; Jenn gives a laundry list of answers of where this message might have come from:

that's when I got the page that was a voice message from Jay saying to get him from the park and then when I .... and then like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him, but I'm not sure. He left a message on the machine telling me something about either to come and pick him up at the park or he was going to be later than what he thought, so don't go to the park yet. I think I got two messages, maybe on my pager, one saying to pick him up and the next message saying "I'm going to be later don't pick" you know "don't pick me up at the park" or "I'll call you when I need you" or something. I was confused... there was confusion in his message so I felt it necessary to contact him to find out where I was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

So Jenn either got a "page that was a voice message" (technically possible - a portable voicemail service was available in Baltimore, although the service shut down sometime in 1999), or "like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him." Or maybe she got two messages. The two messages seem to make the most sense - the first message, via an unknown medium, was to tell Jenn that he needed the ride from the park, and the next message was to say that he needed her to pick him up later.

Either way, I believe we can be safe in assuming that one of these two communications was the 7:00 p.m. page. Jenn pretty much clarifies that at another point in her statement:

I believe that I got a voice message from Jay like um telling me to get him from the park and around between seven and seven-thirty I think it was and for some reason the message was like very confusing or something (Jenn Int. at 12).

The park Jenn identifies is this park located "off of Crosby and Chesworth," but is not "the one that the pool's on" ( id.). This would make it Western Hills Community Park - a three minute walk away from Adnan's mosque.

Now that's an interesting coincidence. Why would Jay be calling Jenn to ask for a ride from a place across the street from Adnan's mosque at 7 or 7:30 p.m.? Perhaps because Jay knew Adnan would be driving there, after leaving Cathy's?
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
There are two big problems with Jay's trial testimony about paging Jenn from Leakin Park. First, the cell records show that the 7:00 p.m. call was most likely made from the Woodlawn area, not Leakin Park. Second, Jay's story has him in Adnan's car - but not with Adnan -at 7:00 p.m. So how could he have paged Jenn at 7:00 p.m., if Adnan was calling Yaser at 6:59? Jay testified at trial Adnan drove him to Jay's house, where they got "two shovels . . . and put them in [Adnan's] car" (Brief of Appellant at 9.) They then "drove to pick up Hae's car, and [Adnan] got in Hae's car. [Jay] followed [Adnan] around for 45 minutes, and they ended up in Leakin Park." ( Id.) Which means that Adnan and Jay were in separate vehicles at 7:00 p.m., if Jay's story is true.

An alternative explanation for the cell phone data is that Jay borrowed Adnan's car and phone while he was in mosque. After leaving Cathy's, Adnan is dropped off at the mosque near his house, and Jay drives to Hae's car (which is either at the Park'n'Ride or at a mall parking lot near Woodlawn). He then drives Hae's car to Leakin Park, taking the phone and the shovels with him from Adnan's car, and buries her. He returns Hae's car to where it was stashed earlier, gets back in Adnan's car, and heads back to the mosque to return the car and phone to Adnan when mosque is out at 9pm.

The fact that Jay left Jenn a message asking Jenn to pick him up from a park near Adnan's mosque further supports this theory. If Adnan did kill Hae, and recruited Jay to help him bury her, is no explicable reason why Jay would be calling Jenn's pager from Adnan's phone, and leaving Jenn a message asking to be picked up from the park near the mosque. Such a call could be explained, however, if Jay had been unaware that he would be unable to use Adnan's car and cell phone. If Jenn and Jay had spoken on the phone while Jay was at Cathy's (we know that Jenn called Cathy around 6:00 - 6:30 p.m. that night), then Jay may have asked for a ride from Jenn then, planning to have her take him to Hae's car after Adnan dropped him off on his way to mosque. Jay's plans may have changed when Adnan ended up letting Jay borrow his car while he was in mosque. The 7:00 p.m. call would then be Jay notifying Jenn that he no longer needed the pick up from the park near the mosque, but that he would need her to pick him up later.

EDIT, 1/17/2015: Due to the release of additional information concerning the reliability of the cellphone data, as well as the nature of the forensic evidence, I no longer believe that the cellphone was in Leakin Park at this time. It appears instead that the burial in Leakin Park took place hours later.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay picked up Hae's car from the I-70 Park'n'Ride, and then drive into Leakin Park via N. Franklintown Road, where they body Hae's body. The route from the Park'n'Ride to the place where Hae's body was found takes approximately four minutes. Although it is unclear why this specific location is chosen for the burial site, it appears, from Google Maps, that t he section of N. Franklintown Road that Hae's killer(s) would have used to enter the woods does not have a guardrail up. Although there are now concrete barriers in place, it seems very likely that, in January 1999, those barriers were not there, allowing whoever buried Hae to pull off at the side of the road there. As Gwynns Falls Trail was under construction at that time, there was likely ample room for Hae's car to be parked (without blocking N Franklintown Road) while a grave was dug and Hae's body was transferred into it. (For comparison purposes, note that the "Warning This Park is Patrolled" sign behind the concrete barriers matches the sign described in Episode 3 and shown on the S erial website.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "[w]hile [he] and [Adnan] were digging, [Jenn] called the cell phone, returning [Jay's] page [at 7:00 p.m.]. [Adnan] allegedly answered and told [Jenn] they were busy and hung up." (Brief of Appellant at 9.)
Jenn's Story:
Jenn has stated that either the 7:09 or 7:16 p.m. call came from her. Jenn told the police in her taped interview that she called Jay because although he had left her a message earlier, asking her to pick him up, "there was confusion in his message so [she] felt it necessary to contact him to find out where [she] was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.) She says this call occurred

I guess I'd say between six- thirty and seven-thirty. . . I knew that I was dialing [Adnan's] cell phone, the cell phone number." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

"When I called them, um, Adnan answered the phone and said 'Jay will call you back when you're re-' when he's ready for you to come and get him, or for you to come and meet him, or whatever. 'Jay will call you when he's ready.' And um, so that's all like, he was very quick and very 'bye' you know." (Episode 6.)

But at trial, she gave a different story. She testified that when she called the cell, someone other than Jay answered the phone and said, "Jay will call you back when he is ready for you to come and get him, he is busy" (Brief of Appellant at 13). She stated that "[t]he voice on the cell phone was an older male, deep, not like a kid, and it was not [Jay]" ( id.). But Jenn does not identify the voice as belonging to Adnan - even though she knows him, and even though she had previously identified the speaker as Adnan in her police interview.

It should also be noted that Jenn's statement (as well as Jay's) does not match the known duration of the call. At 33 seconds, whatever conversation occurred must have been longer than the brief exchange Jenn describes, which would have taken less than 10 seconds.

But aside from that, why on earth would Adnan know that Jenn was calling to find out when to pick Jay up? And why would he even answer the phone? Surely after burying Hae's body, Jay would have preferred to take his accomplice home himself - rather than forcing a third party to come pick him up, and potentially become involved.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 7:09 p.m. and 7:16 p.m. calls are the two most significant calls in the case, because both calls were routed through L689B - which is the tower/antenna whose range is almost exclusively limited to the southwest leg of Leakin Park, where Hae was buried. We can say with almost complete certainty that whoever had the cell phone at that time was in Leakin Park, burying Hae's body.

Why? Because we have independent evidence confirming that Hae was buried between 6:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on January 13, 1999. (1) The first witness statement in the case came from Jenn, in her statement to the police on February 27, 1999, when she told them that Jay asked her to pick him up "some time after eight o'clock" (Episode 6). Jenn said that "[a]fter they'd driven a little ways, Jay mention[ed] shovels. The shovels Adnan had used to dig in the park to bury Hae." (Episode 4.) She has no apparent motive to lie about the timing of when she picked up Jay, and there is no evidence that she had seen the cell phone records at that point, or was matching her story to them. (2) Cathy, who has no motive to lie and whose testimony could apparently be verified by her boyfriend, Jeff, states that Adnan and Jay were at her house until 6:30 p.m. that evening.

So Hae was buried in Leakin Park during that hour-and-a-half window. Of the 52 outgoing and incoming malls made to Adnan's cell phone on January 12 and 13, 1999, exactly two calls were routed through L689B, which is the tower and antenna that covers the southwest portion of Leakin Park (and covers almost nothing that isn't Leakin Park). In fact, only one other call was even routed through tower L689, despite the fact it is adjacent to the towers covering Woodlawn and Cathy's house - and that's the 4:12 p.m. call, when Jay would have been parking Hae's car immediately next to Leakin Park, at the Park'n'Ride.

This is very strong evidence that the reason the 7:09 and 7:16 p.m. calls were routed from the Leakin Park tower is that the cell phone was, in fact, in Leakin Park. The odds are too much against this being a mere coincidence - because over the course of 48 hours, only two calls are routed through L689B, and both occur precisely within the one-and-a-half hour window in which we know the killer was in Leakin Park burying Hae's body. This is a sufficient basis from which to conclude that the killer had the phone while burying Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, shortly after the call from Jenn (at 7:09), "while [Adnan] took Hae's body to the shallow grave and put dirt on her to cover her, he received another call. He spoke part in Arabic and part in English." (Brief of Appellant at 9-10.) Adnan does not speak Arabic, or any similar languages (Episode 5), so Jay's testimony is hard to explain.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call, like the previous call, pings the tower in Leakin Park. Whoever has the phone is likely burying Hae's body.
Jenn's Stories:
Jenn's Police Statement: During her interview with the police, Jenn says she picked Jay up sometime after 8 p.m., because she had "arranged to meet [Jay] in the parking lot of Westview Mall" (Episode 6). Jenn drove to Westview Mall, where she "saw [Jay and Adnan] arrive in Adnan's car." (Episode 6.). She told the police that,

"Jay mentioned to me that he knew where Adnan dumped the shovel or shovels. I don't know how many there were - but he mentioned to me that he know that where Adnan put the shovels." (Episode 4.)

Jenn then tells the police that, after picking Jay up and leaving, "she drives Jay back to Westview Mall to the dumpsters back there so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe the handles clean in case of fingerprints" ( id.). "After that, Jay came back, got in [Jenn's] car, and he was really shooken up. . . He was like you have to take me to go see my girlfriend now" ( id.).

Jenn's Trial Testimony: At trial, Jenn testified that "[b]etween 8:00-8:15 p.m., [she] got a message from [Jay] to pick him up at Westview ["WV"] Mall in 15 minutes, so she left and picked him up in front of Value City." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn arrived there first. When Jay and Adnan arrived, "[Adnan] was . . . driving, and said hello to [Jenn]. [Jay] got in her car and said . . . '[Adnan] strangled Hae in the Best Buy parking lot. [I] saw her body in the trunk.' . . . [Adnan] used [Jay's] shovels to bury her and [Jay] wanted to make sure there were no fingerprints on them." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn further "testified [Jay] told her he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay. They went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." ( Id.)
Jay's Story:
After burying Hae, Jay claims he and Adnan got back into their respective cars, and drove to a neighborhood off of Edmondson Avenue (Route 40), where Hae's car was abandoned.

Jay says that at some point after this, Jenn picks him up. But where? Jay has given a lot of different answers about where Jenn picks him up from, and it's not clear which (if any) are true (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's story at trial is that after ditching Hae's car, he and Adnan "went to Value City [located in Westview Mall, off of Route 40] and threw away some of Hae's belongings and some other evidence in a dumpster. [Jay] paged Jen again. [Adnan] allegedly drove [Jay] home and [Jay] changed his clothes and put them in a bag. Jen came to pick up [Jay] at his home and took him to Super Fresh where he threw the shovels and his bag of clothes away in a dumpster." (Brief of Appellant at 10.)
Why Jenn and Jay Are Both Lying about the 8:04 and 8:05 p.m. calls:
(1) Did Jenn see Jay arrive at Westview, or did Jay page Jenn to pick him up while he was at Westview? Because Jenn says when Jay paged her to pick him up, she went to Westview, where shortly after Adnan and Jay pulled up. In contrast, Jay says he paged Jenn while he was already at Westview, and Adnan then dropped him off at Jay's house, where Jenn later picked him up.

These stories are completely irreconcilable, and cannot be explained by simple memory lapses. Why would Jenn forget where Jay told her that Adnan had killed Hae? And why would Jay forget where Jenn picked him up?

(2) Where were the shovels (or shovel) thrown away? In Westview Mall or at Super Fresh?

Jenn says that Jay told her they were tossed at Westview - and that, after picking up Jay at Westview and driving off somewhere, she and Jay later drive back to Westview, so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe them clean. But Jay says (at trial) that he only threw away some of Hae's belongings at Westview - and that he didn't toss the shovels until after Jenn picked him up at his house, and drove him to Super Fresh, where he dumped the shovel(s) in a dumpster. So were they thrown away at Westview or Super Fresh? And why would Jay have needed to have Jenn drive him away from Westview, and then later drive him back to wipe down prints?

Any why the heck wasn't Adnan concerned about wiping down prints, if he did it? And for that matter, why would Adnan be letting his pot dealer handle the huge responsibility of disposing of the evidence? If Adnan did kill Hae, I just cannot imagine him leaving such an important detail for Jay to handle.

(Incidentally, Super Fresh is out westward on Route 40, on the way to Patapsco State Park. Perhaps this somehow works in to Jay's whole nonsensical Patapsco story somehow? Given how often Jay repeats it, it would be beyond bizarre if nothing about Hae's murder was linked to there. Something about Jay's claims about Patapsco are true, it's just hard to know what.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 8:04 and 8:05 calls show that whoever has the cell phone was probably somewhere along Route 40/Edmondson Avenue. As Edmondson Avenue is where Hae's car was abandoned (Jay later led police to where the car had been ditched), these calls are almost certainly showing the killer abandoning the car after burying her body.

If Jay killed Hae, acting alone, then he still has a two-car problem to deal with in disposing of Hae's body and car - as he would have parked Adnan's car in one spot, and then driven Hae's car to a different spot, with no way to get back to Adnan's car. The cell phone records do suggest an explanation for what was going on. As all of the calls made from 7:00 p.m. to 8:05 p.m. are to Jenn's pager, this indicates that not only did Jay have the phone, but that he had something urgent to communicate with her about.

The most likely thing Jay needed to talk to Jenn about was getting a ride after leaving Hae's car. If Jenn was telling the truth about picking Jay up from a strip mall -- and her story on this point seems more credible than Jay's - then that would explain how Jay was able to solve the two car problem. After dropping Adnan at mosque at 7:00 p.m., he drove Adnan's car to Hae's car (probably at the Park'n'Ride), drove Hae's car to bury Hae's body, then ditched her car off Edmondson Avenue. Getting from the Woodlawn area, to the Park'n'Ride, and then to the burial spot would take about fifteen minutes (five minutes for each leg, plus five minutes to switch cars.) Jay said that burying the body took 20-25 minutes. That would mean Jay was ditching the car at around 7:45 p.m., and from where her car was left, there are at least a couple strip malls within a 20-minute walk, if you're walking a little faster than average.

That would provide a possible explanation for the two pages to Jenn in rapid succession, at 8:04 p.m. and 8:05 p.m. - at right about the time Jay would've gotten to a strip mall. The double page could have acted as the signal for Jenn to come and pick him up at a pre-arranged location.

In reality, if Jay was the sole killer, there are many ways he could have handled ditching Hae's car after burying her body (such as parking it back at the Park'n'Ride and moving it over to Edmondson later, for instance). But whatever method was used, I think it is a fair inference that Jay's multiple calls to Jenn from Leakin Park that night were related to the cover up of Hae's murder - because why would someone burying a body repeatedly page a friend, unless the pages were related to said body burying? It's not exactly a time that you would be worrying about making social arrangements, that's for sure.

Additional Note: I'm not trying to say Jenn had knowledge of Jay killing Hae, or that she was actively involved in disposing of Hae's car. That's not what the timeline seems to imply. Her testimony is that her assistance was limited to disposing of clothes and boots, and it's entirely possible that's true. It's also perfectly possible she would have fully believed Jay, if Jay told her Adnan had done it. Her decision to distort her testimony to protect Jay, then, might have only been intended to help an innocent friend not take the rap for a murder he didn't commit. But her statement to the police has been cooked.

I will note, however, that I actually do believe most of Jenn's story. Her description of events seems mostly accurate - but she has changed the timeline and the details to make sure Jay can "prove" to the police that he was not involved in the actual murder.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan does not have clear memories of what happened that night after he went to mosque.
Jenn's Stories:
This is going to get confusing, because Jenn describes at least three different series of events that occur after she picks up Jay from Westview. Those three versions are:

1. Pick up Jay at Westview → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to the Cathy's house (Jenn Int. at 2-4).

2. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Cathy's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party (id. at 18-20).

3. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party → Go to Cathy's house (id. at 21).

Regarding the trip to Stephanie's, Jenn says that they went either after rerturning to Westview to wipe down the shovels or before returning to Westview for the shovels (or after leaving Westview and never returning), and that the trip took about 15 minutes. After Jenn picked up Jay from Westview for the first time, Jay told her that "he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay," so "[t]hey went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 13). But Jenn is ambiguous in the wording she uses to describe this trip:

We, I want to say that we went to Stephanie's house, his girlfriend, I want to say that we went there 'cause I think that I remember Jay saying that he wanted to go see Steph, he wanted to go and give her a hug and see her and make sure she was okay and everything[.] (Jenn Int. at 18.)

Jenn also said (in her trial testimony and police statement) that the following day she took Jay "to F&M drugstore to get rid of clothing and boots in a dumpster" (Brief of Appellant at 13). In her police statement, she was consistent with this trial testimony, and stated that,

sometime during the 14th . . . I went to see Jay again at his house. I picked him up and and he had his boots with him as well as his inaudible jacket that he had on the night before and he asked me if I would take him to F & M parking lot. I took him to F & M parking lot and we drove around the back until we saw a dumpster . . . and Jay threw his clothes boots in the dumpster. (Jenn Int. at 23.)

Cathy's Story:
Cathy testified that, on January 13, 1999, after Jay and Adnan left her house a little after 6:30 p.m., "[Jay] returned hours later with Jennifer, but [Adnan] was not with them." (Appellant's Brief at 14).

Cathy had no reason to lie, and Jenn and Jay returning to Cathy's is consistent with Jenn's claims that she and Jay had plans to go there that night. It appears that Jay may even have testified that he and Jenn returned to Cathy's at 11:30pm that night. But in that case, what did Jenn and Jay do from around 8:30 p.m. until 11:30 p.m.? And why did he and Jenn not go to Stephanie's, as they claim?
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I drive myself home and on the way home he's like "stop here." We stopped at ah Westview and one of the dumpster's behind Westview he threw all the stuff in. Um. . . Um we argue um we argue some more, went to the 7 -11 and then inaudible. (Int.1 at 20-21.)

In Jay's second interview, Jay also claims in the first interview that he throws his clothes away in the trash outside of his house:

Detective: Where did you discard the clothing?
Jay: Um I put mine in the trash at my house, put it out in the trash? (Int.1 at 22.)

Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I get out of [Adnan's] car, I go in my house, Jenny calls me back, I tell her I need, I need to talk to her, um, its real important. And for her to come and get me. She comes right over, um, I take my clothes from that day, I put them in a plastic bag. Um, I go out to to the car with Jen. I tell her what happened. She ah, she says to me urn, she really can't believe it, and I tell her stay away from him. And I tell her if I get locked up that she'll, she'll be the one person that really knew that I didn't Hae. (Int.2 at 39.)

Jay says that Jenn picked him up at his house, and then took him to the dumpster at the "F & M, the one behind the ah, F & M inaudible on Route 40," where he threw away "[a]ll [his] clothes, it was ah, they were in a giant plastic bag" (Int.2 at 41). However, Jay "think[s] [he] may had held on to [his] boots until the day after" ( id.).

So while Jay and Jenn agree that Jay threw his boots away on the 14th, Jay and Jenn disagree on just about everything else.
Stephanie's Story:
Stephanie says that she did not speak to Jay until 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. This does not match Jay and Jenn claims they went to Stephanie's at 8:30-9:30 p.m. that night.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 9:01 p.m. call to Nisha strongly suggests that Adnan, and not Jay, had the phone at this time. But the call is also made from L651 - the same tower covering Adnan's mosque and home. Although Adnan's cell phone spent the previous two hours in Leakin Park and along Route 40, the only calls made during that time were to Jenn's pager. Not a single call was made to one of Adnan's contacts, which is consistent with the phone not being in his possession during that time.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Once again, the records support a finding that (1) Adnan has his phone, as Jay would have no reason to call Krista, and (2) Adnan was at home, as shown by the tower the call connected through.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Call 26.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26 and 27.

Explanatory Note: This call is another good example of a call routed through a cell tower outside of its normal range. There is no reason to believe - regardless of which witness's testimony is accepted - that Adnan was anywhere other than at his home at this time, or that he was out somewhere moving around at 10:02 p.m. at night. Adnan was almost certainly at home, and, by chance, his call to Yaser was routed through the tower directly south (L698), rather than through the tower that calls made from Adnan's home are most commonly routed through (L651).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-28.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-29.

-Susan

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fter more than 17 years of incarceration, and multiple denied appeals, Adnan Syed has finally been granted a new trial and the murder conviction he has lived with for nearly two decades has been thrown out. Adnan was the subject of the globally popular podcast Serial, because of which his case became a worldwide obsession almost overnight.

But my obsession with it began in 1999, when he was first arrested. Adnan is my younger brother's best friend and like a brother to me as well. From the day he was taken from his bed in the pre-dawn hours of 26 February 1999 until today, he has maintained his innocence and I, and my family, have believed him.

Adnan's conviction turned on two things - a state witness, Jay Wilds, who testified to having helped him bury the body, and Adnan's cellphone records that the prosecution introduced to corroborate Wilds' story of his and Adnan's movements on 13 January 1999, the day the victim Hae Min Lee disappeared. The state argued the cell records could be used to track Adnan's movements and back up Wilds' story, pointing in particular to two incoming phone calls to Adnan's phone around 7pm that night, both of which pinged a cell tower that covered the area where the victim's body was found.

Wilds changed his story during the investigation and trial, and did so again most recently in an interview with the publication the Intercept. In that, he says the burial took place around midnight, negating any significance the cell records had in placing Adnan near the burial site around 7pm.

What further undermined the significance of the cell records was a fax cover sheet discovered by Susan Simpson, an attorney and the co-host of our podcast, Undisclosed. Simpson noticed the cover sheet clearly stated that incoming call information was not reliable for location of the phone. Adnan's attorney at trial never caught this information, for whatever reason (including the possibility that the state didn't give it to her). This issue was raised in Adnan's recent appeal, and ultimately became the reason the judge threw his conviction out and ordered a new trial.

As it stands now, Adnan Syed is an innocent man. He is no longer convicted of any crime but remains charged with the murder of Hae Min Lee, just as he was before trial in 1999. He will remain innocent until and unless the State of Maryland can prove his guilt all over again.

But they can't because we can prove his innocence with the two pieces of factual information that are irrefutable: that Lee left school after 2.15pm and was intercepted by her killer by 3.30pm on 13 January 1999, after which the family realized something was wrong. Lee picked up her young cousin from elementary school every day by 3.30pm, but that day she never made it.

The second fact we have relates to the findings of the autopsy report. According to the medical examiner and other forensic pathologists who have reviewed the crime scene pictures and autopsy reports, Lee's body showed fixed frontal lividity, the phenomenon in which, after death, all the blood pools to the part of the body closest to the ground. Such lividity could only be present if, after being killed, Lee was left in a face down position, stretched out, for between eight and 10 hours. When Lee's body was found in Leakin Park, Baltimore, it was twisted and resting mostly on her right side. This means after her body was moved to the burial site after lividity had become permanent. Hae was not dumped in Leakin Park around 7pm. Her body was kept somewhere where it could lay flat for around 10 hours before it was moved to the park.

The killer had to both have the opportunity and means to intercept Hae by 3.30pm and to kill her, leave her body in a flat position somewhere private for eight to 10 hours, then move her later to Leakin Park.

Adnan could not have done these things.

Among the judge's findings, which we've been attempting to get to court for many years, is a confirmation of the credibility of the testimony of an alibi witness, Asia McClain, who was never contacted by Adnan's defense counsel. McClain testified before the appellate court that she was with Adnan in the public library until around 2.40pm. We have gathered evidence, which is not yet public, that confirms Adnan attended track practice that day and arrived for practice by 3.30pm. After seeing McClain, Adnan had to change for practice and then walk to the other side of the school for it. We have other witnesses who saw him on his way to track practice, meaning the time between when he was seen by McClain and by the time Lee was intercepted is largely accounted for.

The appellate judge further destroyed the state's case regarding what happened in this timeframe in a lengthy footnote to his 59-page opinion. Judge Welch found that the cell records contradicted nearly every part of the state's case and Wilds' testimony in the time frame during which Lee was known to have disappeared.

This, coupled, with Adnan having no opportunity or means to store Lee's body in a flat position (not in the boot of her small car as the state would have us believe) for up to 10 hours and then move it to the burial spot, is nearly enough for a finding of actual innocence.

That's not all though. We know that every piece of forensic evidence collected pointed to Adnan's innocence. From the hairs found Lee's body, which did not match Adnan, to the dozens of soil samples taken from his clothing, shoes, car, and room, which returned negative results for matching soil from Leakin Park.

The ball is now in the state's court. It can drop charges, appeal the recent ruling, or offer Adnan a plea deal. One way or the other Adnan is likely to come home soon, but I'll continue to work with investigators until we make it clear to the world that he is innocent of this terrible crime. And then we must all challenge the state to reopen the investigation into the murder of Hae Min Lee.

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With school traffic, regular traffic, and the distance, how did Adnan make it in time in the Best Buy parking lot to kill Hae?
Sarah herself went and tried out the driving for the times, however she did end up making it.  In her words, "you'd have to really try to make it in time".  However the timings after the murder are what don't make sense. This is a huge part because it shows that he simply might not have had time to do all of these things and kill Hae at that specific time.
-For example, the NIsha call. The Nisha call puts Adnan exactly where Jay says he is except Nisha could've sworn that they talked at night, not in the middle of the day.
- Another example would be the autopsy report.  It shows that Hae's body was lying face first for 10 hours causing blood to pool at the front of the body.  In Jay's story this doesn't add up because he says only a few hours passed till he picked Adnan up at the strip of land, or wait sorry, the Best Buy Parking lot,  and they buried the body at Linkin Park.

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[ Edit, 1/17/2015: In the two months since this post was written, substantially more evidence concerning the events of January 13, 1999, has been released. As a result, I have completely revised my opinion on numerous matters discussed herein.

This post has therefore been updated to add new and more accurate maps. However, I have not yet updated much of the accompanying text, and much of my current interpretation of the cellphone data is substantially different from what it was when this post was first written.]

Like everyone else in the world, I've been listening to For those who haven't listened in yet, Serial is a weekly podcast covering the murder of 18-year-old Hae Min Lee, who was killed on January 13, 1999. Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was subsequently convicted of first-degree murder and kidnapping, and is currently serving a life sentence. (And if you haven't listened to the podcast yet, turn back now and come back when you have. Otherwise, the minutiae of these cell phone records won't be interesting in the slightest.)

The evidence against Adnan was complicated and deeply ambiguous. That's unsurprising - after all, there's a reason his case was chosen to be the subject Serial's first season. But while there's much we do not know about the the investigation into Hae's murder and the state's case against Adnan, based on what the show has covered so far, and what has been made publicly available about Adnan's two trials, there are many reasons to be unsettled by his conviction. Even for those who think Adnan probably did plot and carry out the murder of his ex-girlfriend - and there are plenty who do - it is hard to say that there wasn't room for some very reasonable doubts about his guilt.

Legally, there was sufficient evidence to support Adnan's conviction; he's not going to win any appeals there. An eye witness - Jay, Adnan's weed dealer and casual friend - testified to his guilt. But while the jury always has the right to determine whether a witness is telling the truth, it does not appear that, in this case, there was any objective basis for crediting Jay's testimony against Adnan (as discussed in further detail at Serial: Why Jay's Testimony Is Not Credible Evidence of Adnan's Guilt).

Other than Jay's testimony, the only evidence that Adnan had any connection with Hae's murder came from his cell phone records. As a result, understanding what those cell records show, and do not show, is a highly significant part of the case. Provided below is a summary of the data from each of the 31 calls made to or from Adnan's cell phone that day - including the time, who the call was to, the duration, and the cell phone tower that the call was routed through - and a summary of how that data compares to the testimony and statements given by key witnesses in the case.

A note on the significance of the location data: It should be stressed that the tower data - that is, the record of the tower and antenna that a call was routed through - provides us with a probabilistic (and not determinative) location for where each call was made or received from. Moreover, the maps below use an oversimplified division of likely cell tower territories based purely on distances between towers, and does not take other factors into account. The fact that any particular call may have been routed through any particular tower and antenna does not mean that the call was actually made or received from within the territory immediately adjacent to that tower/antenna; calls can be routed through towers other than the one they are closest to for any number of reasons, and two calls made from the exact same location, within minutes of one another, could end up being routed through different towers. As a result, it should be assumed that some of the 31 calls made from Adnan's phone that day were made or received from a tower other than the one the phone was closest to at the time of the call.

Taken in the aggregate, however, the tower data is very useful for assessing the likely path followed by whoever had the cell phone that day. Additionally, by comparing the tower data against both the witnesses' known events of the day, and with the movement of the cell phone as shown from the calls that occurred before and after, we can make a good prediction as to the accuracy of the tower data for each call individually.

As there was no testimony at trial concerning the actual ranges of these towers, the below maps assume a conservative tower range of approximately two miles.
Prosecution's Story:
On the morning of January 13th, Adnan calls Jay from school, and then during his free period drives over to Jay's house to pick him up. Adnan plans to kill Hae that afternoon, so he leave his car and cell phone with Jay, so that Jay can pick him up after the murder has been committed.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, he called Jay from school to make sure Jay remembered to get a birthday present for his girlfriend, Stephanie. Adnan and Stephanie are also close friends, and he did not want her to be upset if Jay forgot to get her something:

I kind of had a feeling that maybe he didn't get her a gift. And I had free periods during school. So it was not abnormal for me to leave school to go do something and then come back. So I went to his house. And I asked him, did you happen to get a present for Stephanie? He said no. So I said, if you want to, you can drop me back off to school. You can borrow my car. And you can go to the mall and get her a gift or whatever. Then just come pick me up after track practice that day. (Episode 1.)

Jay's Stories:
Jay says that, on the morning of January 13th, Adnan called him from school and then drove over to pick him up, and they go shopping together. In some of Jay's statements, he claims that this was the first time he learned of the murder plan. In other statements, he claims he had learned of the plan the previous day. Although he sometimes also claims that parts of the murder were planned over the phone, Jay's stories generally claim Adnan enlisted his help in carrying out Hae's murder while the two of them were on a shopping trip together. However, he is inconsistent as to which shopping trip this was.

The Shopping Trip on January 12th: One of Jay's stories involves Adnan and Jay discussing Hae's murder during a shopping trip that occurred on January 12, 1999 - the day before Hae's murder. Jay informs Jenn of Adnan's plan to murder Hae, but she does not react to this news:

[I] went shopping with a friend of mine, an ex-friend of mine and ah, we ah, went to ah, ah, I just believe we went to Wal-Mart. . . . We had had a conversation. . . During the conversation he stated, um, that he was going to kill that bitch, referring to Hae Lee. . . . Ah, I didn't, I took it with contexts and stand out my inaudible. We went, he dropped, he returned me to my house ah, I paged [Jenn] um no I'm sorry. Yes I paged [Jenn], um, we went to the [ ] park. . . There I told her the conversation me and Adnan had had earlier that day. And her reaction was just about the same and then . . . Returned home about 10 o'clock, received
another call from Adnan. This time he had told me ah, that we're gonna hook up tomorrow. And that was it for the 12th. (Jay's Second Interview on March 15, 1999) (herein "Int.2").

The Shopping Trip on January 13th: Jay's other story involves a shopping trip that instead takes place on January 13th, before Hae's murder. Adnan calls Jay from school (the 10:45 a.m. call), and then goes to pick Jay up at his house:

I believe [Adnan] called me first. Um, he probably showed up at about 11, a little after 11 , 11:30, 11, 11:30 (Int.2 at 5).

That morning [on January 13th] [Adnan] called me and we took .... we were going to the Mall. He asked me if I could do him a favor. . . [Adnan called my house] a little after ten, about ten forty-five, quarter to eleven. I woke .... that is when I woke up. I showered so it was about an hour before I left. Ah we left the house, on the way to the Mall he asked me if I could do him a favor. . . (Int.1 at 2.)

Jay also confirms, in response to a detective's question, that Adnan "came to [Jay's] house about quarter of twelve, [ ] about an hour [ ] after he called" ( id.).

In his statements concerning the shopping trip on January 13, Jay's stories about what mall he and Adnan went to are not consistent. He names two different locations:

[W]e headed toward Westview mall. Um, we did a little shopping together. (Jay's First Interview on February 28, 1999) (herein "Int.1").

We went to Security Square Mall. (Int.2.)

Explanatory Note: This call is likely a good example of the tower data not guaranteeing that a call was made/received from the area typically covered by the the tower/antenna it ends up being routed through. There is no reason for the 12:07 p.m. call to have been made in the shaded territory - it doesn't fit any narratives, and no other calls are ever routed through L668. The most likely explanation is that the call was made within the territory typically covered by the tower directly to the west of L668, which is L651 - the Woodlawn tower.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go shopping together for a little while at Security Square Mall (just south of Best Buy ("BBPL"). Adnan tells Jay of his plan to kill Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he did not go shopping with Jay, and went back to school at around 11:30 a.m. However, he let Jay borrow his car and cell phone, so that Jay could go buy a birthday present for Stephanie, who is also a close friend of Adnan's. He tells Jay he will call after track practice so that Jay can come pick him up.
Jay's Story:
In his second interview, Jay tells the police that Adnan comes over and they go shopping for a birthday present for Stephanie. After a while, Jay says,

We left the mall. I took him to school. I dropped him off in the back of the school. He went up to class. He left his cell phone in the car with me, told me he'd call me. I went back to my friend Jenn's house and waited for him to call. (Int.1 at 7.)

When asked what time he dropped Adnan back off at school, he says it was between 12:45 and 1:15 p.m. ( id.).

At trial, Jay testified that:

On the way [back] to school, [Adnan] talked about his relationship with Hae, and said it was not going well. [Jay] testified that [Adnan] seemed hurt rather than angry. [Jay] then testified that [Adnan] said Hae made him mad and said, "I am going to kill that bitch." [Adnan] told [Jay] he could drop [Adnan] off at school and take [Adnan's] car as long as he picked [Adnan] up later. [Adnan] gave [Jay] [Adnan's] cell phone so that he could call [Jay] when he was ready to be picked up." (Appellant's Brief at 7.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that on the morning of January 13th, she and Jay made plans to hang out:

From work I called Jay. I asked if he wanted to come to my house and hang out. He said "sure swing by and pick him up." Um then he got back in touch with me to let me know not to come and get him that he would be at my house. Between . . . Twelve-thirty and one I got back to my house, between one and one-thirty Jay arrived at my house. (Jenn Int. at 1.).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call indicates that Jay is not at Jenn's house as of 12:07, as Jay would not have any reason to call "Jenn Home" if he were. Since Jenn says she was at work and did not get home until 12:30 or 1 p.m., Jay could not have spoken to her when he called her home. This means that this call cannot be the call that Jenn mentions when she says that Jay "got back in touch with me"; it is unclear how Jay got in touch with her.

It is worth noting that Jay's grandmother's house is within the range of the L652A tower.
Prosecution's Story:
After Adnan and Jay go shopping, Jay drops Adnan back off at school, and then drives Adnan's car to Jenn's house where he hangs out while awaiting Adnan's call.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is back at Woodlawn.
Jay's Story:
Jay says that he dropped Adnan back off at school after class. In both his first and second statements to the police, the detectives make sure that Jay clarifies he dropped Adnan off in the rear of the building (Int.1 at 3, 5; Int.2 at 6).

In his first statement, Jay said that after dropping Adnan off, he immediately went to his friend's Jenn's house. Jenn was not home, so he started playing video games with Jenn's 15-year-old brother, Mark. Then, "a little while [later] [Mark's] sister [Jenn] came in the house," at approximately 12:45 p.m. (Int.1 at 5).

In his second statement, Jay claims that he gets to Jenn's house at around 12:30, and Jenn gets home "probably about 1:30" (Int.2 at 8-9). He claims that after Jenn arrives at the house, they hang around all day, only leaving her house once:

Later that afternoon we had went out to her car. I think we had ran to the store, come back to get some soda or something like that. And we sitting in [Jenn's] car and I told her that ah, I think that ah, Adnan was gonna kill Hae. (Int.2 at 9.)

At trial, Jay's story changed somewhat (perhaps to account for the fairly obvious fact he did not spend the whole afternoon at Jenn's house, as he claimed in his first two police statements). He testified that, after dropping Adnan off at school, he called his friend Jenn at 12:07 p.m., and then "went to her home and played video games with Jen's brother Mark for about 30 minutes. Jen[n] was not home. [Jay] then left with Mark to go back to the mall. . . [H]e and Mark returned to Mark's house and Jen[n] was there." (Appellant's Brief at 7-8.) Jay also does not testify, like he told the police in the second interview, that he informed Jenn of Adnan's plan to kill Hae.

Additional note: to date, I have seen no explanation for why Jenn's 15-year-old brother was at home playing video games at noon on a Wednesday.
Jenn's Story:
In her statement to the police, Jenn claimed that she arrived at her home first, and Jay showed up about an hour later:

So want to say I got home probably between twelve-thirty and one and than I want to say that Jay got there probably between one and one-thirty, maybe as late a two, but I don't want to... I don't think it was that late. I think it was around one-thirty. So Jay gets there around one-thirty and we played video games, hang out. (Jenn's Police Interview at 6) (herein "Jenn Int.").

I remember Jay got to my house, he said he was wait... he sat the phone down on the coffee table and he said "I'm waiting for a phone call." I was like you know, "who's going to call you, what's" you know his cell phone... cell phone's out whatever, like it's just a cell phone... he was like "I'm suppose to get a call around three thirty" and I said "okay" and he said "that's when I'm leaving, around three-thirty when I get the phone call." (Jenn Int. at 9.)

Jenn says Jay later left her house sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 (Episode 4).

At trial, Jenn testified that on January 13, 1999, "[Jay] came over to her house in a tan car to hang out with her and her brother. [Jay] was acting different, not relaxed, and had a cell phone which was unusual. [Jay] said he was waiting for a call." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The fact that Jay calls "Jenn Home" shows that Jay is not at Jenn's house at 12:45 that day. Although this contradicts Jay's first story to the police, in which he claims to have gotten to Jenn's at around 12:30 p.m., by the time of Adnan's trial his story has been changed to say that he did not get to Jenn's house until around 1 p.m that day.

The timeline of when Jay and Jenn arrived at Jenn's house is never resolved, however, as both Jay and Jenn claim to have been the first person to have arrived at Jenn's house. Jay's first story is that he arrived at 12:30 p.m. and Jenn arrived at 1:30 p.m.; Jenn's story is that she arrived at 12:30 p.m., and Jay arrived at 1:30 p.m. At trial, Jay tells a completely new story to try and explain this fact: he claims that he went to Jenn's house at around 1 p.m., but she was not home, so he and Jenn's brother went to the mall to shop. When Jay and Jenn's brother returned from shopping, Jenn was home.

Significantly, the tower data for the 12:41 p.m. call contradicts all known narratives of what was occurring during this time period. The call pings a tower fives mile to the east of Jenn's house, close to downtown Baltimore, which makes its very unlikely that Jay was at Jenn's house at 12:41 p.m., or even that he was near Woodlawn or Security Square Mall. There is no explanation for what Jay was doing downtown at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Adnan's Story:
Same as Call 3.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay only mentions receiving or making one call before Hae's death, and that is a call from Adnan to the cell phone at 3:40 p.m. to tell Jay to pick him up. Jay says he received this call while at Jenn's house:

Detective: About three o'clock, so he . ... you're waiting around, he finally calls about three-forty?
Jay: Yes.

In Jay's second statement, Jay says that he had left Jenn's house and was driving somewhere else when Adnan called for a pickup. He says instead that he received three calls on the cell phone from Adnan while at Jenn's house, but that none of these calls were requesting a pickup:

Detective: [H]ow many phone calls did you receive?
Jay: 3.
Detective: And what was the nature of the calls?
Jay: Um, one was ah, to check and see if the phone was on.
Detective: And who made that call?
Jay: Adnan. Um, the other, the other was ah, the other was, I was telling him that I was gonna be there. That's where I was gonna be at, that was the 2nd one. And the 3rd one, I can't, it was very short, I can't remember what we conversated about. (Int.2 at 11.)

This indicates that the detectives have showed Jay the call records, and have asked Jay to explain each call on the list. The three incoming calls Jay is talking about must necessarily be the 12:43, 2:36, and 3:15 p.m. calls. At trial, the prosecution disregards this statement from Jay, and argues that the 2:36 p.m. call is Adnan's "come-and-get-me-call" from Best Buy. At the time of Jay's second interview, however, this theory had not been developed yet, and the detectives are still accepting Jay's story that Adnan did not call for a pick up until about 3:40 p.m. So their questions assume these three calls were made while Jay was at Jenn's.

This left the detectives with a problem. Since Adnan's cell records show no incoming call at 3:40 p.m., how did Adnan call at 3:40 p.m. for a pickup? Simple - he must have called Jenn's landline! So they ask Jay about that:

When asked to explain what he and Adnan discussed during the landline call, though, Jay gives an answer that does not help the detectives, because he doesn't say it was the "come-and-get-me" call:

Jay: Um, [Adnan] had told me he was, he inaudible, he was gonna need me to pick him up at a certain time, that was 3:30. I waited until 3:30, he didn't call, I left he house, ah with his car and cell phone. (Int.2 at 11.)

A little while later, the detectives ask Jay about the landline call again, suggesting that Adnan had given instructions to Jay, and asking Jay to describe those instructions. Instead, Jay just gives a new answer entirely:

Detective: And that [landline call] was giving you instructions or what was the phone conversation?
Jay: Ah, I'm leaving school. He told me he was leaving school then. (Int.2 at 11.)

Jay claims that the "come-and-get-me" call did not occur until a few minutes later, after leaving Jenn's house:

Jay: I left Jenn's house because [Adnan] didn't call me at the time that he said he was. And at that time I was half way between my house and [redacted]'s house. And he told me to meet him at Best Buy. (Int.2 at 12.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that she and Jay spent the afternoon "at [her] house, talked, listened to the radio played video games, played with my dog" (Jenn Int. at 9.) While Jay was at her house, Jay received two phone calls:

Um I don't want to say ..... I want to say that he wasn't ..... they weren't very long, they .... I think they were like inaudible and to the point like I don't think they sat down like inaudible or whatever on the phone. I don' t think... I mean I really don't remember exactly but I. (Jenn Int. at 9).

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone is almost certainly not at Jenn's house, but is instead closer to downtown Baltimore.
The Prosecution's Story:
After Woodlawn let out at 2:15 p.m., Adnan caught a ride in Hae's car, and then strangled her to death in the Best Parking Lot ("BBPL"). At 2:36 p.m., Adnan used a pay phone outside of Best Buy to call his cell phone (which Jay had), and Adnan told Jay to pick him up. (Note: For various reasons, the prosecution's theory of the 2:36 call is not likely to be correct. It is not based on the testimony of any witness, and cannot be squared by known timelines, but it is the only call the prosecution can identify that might have come from Adnan. It is much more likely, however, that as of 2:36 p.m., Hae was still alive.)
Adnan's Story:
After school let out, he probably would have gone to the library and checked his e-mail, while waiting for track practice to start, which either begins at 3:30 (Episode 1), (Appellant's Brief at 5); or at 4:00 p.m. (Episode 5).
Jenn's Story:
Jenn says that Jay was waiting for a phone call, and planned to leave her house when he received it. Jay received several calls while he was at her house, but that he did not leave her house until sometime between 3:45 and 4:15 p.m.:

[Jay] just said he was waiting for a call and it was going to come around three-thirty, three forty-five, um Jay got a call and then I don't know what was said to him in conversation um than Jay got another call, got off the phone and then another call came in and I don't know if it was the same person or who it was and I don't know whether it was on my phone or whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. Um then Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen. (Jenn Int. at 1-2.)

Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, he says he spent the day at Jenn's house waiting or Adnan to call. Adnan told Jay he would call at around 3 p.m., but he actually calls at around 3:40 p.m.:

In Jay's second interview, he gives the exact same time for the call:

Jay is very consistent about Adnan calling to be picked up at 3:40 p.m.; however, we know from the cell phone records that his claim cannot be true.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone records show that, at 2:36 p.m., the cell phone was pinging through the Woodlawn tower. Because the phone records also show that Jay was not at Jenn's house from 12pm to 3:40pm (as he and Jenn have claimed), that leaves us with the following: (1) Jay was in vicinity of Hae's last-known location at the time that she went missing; and (2) Jay has no alibi for where he was during that time period.

Additional Note: Jay's explanation for why he lied about where the trunk pop occurred is completely nonsensical - or, at least, it is if you assume that Jay isn't lying about everything else. Jay's answer only makes sense if, in fact, that is the only question that Jay has actually answered truthfully. He's telling the truth about why he lied.

Because the reason Jay lied about where Hae was murdered was because he was worried there might have been cameras at that location. And if the police checked those cameras, they would see that it had been Jay, not Adnan, who was in the parking lot with Hae. Hence, in Jay's first statement, he gave the police a made up location, far away from Best Buy. But by the time of Jay's second interview, he had learned that Jenn had told the police about where Hae had been killed, and that there were in fact no cameras at that location.
The Prosecution's Story:
After receiving a call from Adnan at 2:36 p.m., Jay picks up Adnan from the Best Buy Parking Lot. Adnan then shows him Hae's body in the trunk of her car. They leave the Best Buy, with Adnan driving Hae's car and Jay driving Adnan's car, and head to the I-70 Park'n'Ride ("I70PnR"), where Adnan ditches Hae's car. Both Jay and Adnan get into Adnan's car and drive away.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.

At trial, Inez Hendricks testified that that Adnan "was on the track team, and practice begins by 3:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 5).
Jay's Stories (Five Versions):
In Jay's first interview, Jay tells the police that he was at Jenn's house from a little after noon until "Adnan called him about 3:45 p.m. saying 'come pick me up.'" Jay explains that he went to pick Adnan up at a location 20 minutes away (marked above with an asterisk), "from off of Edmondson Avenue at a strip," and that when Jay got there, Adnan "popped the trunk open," revealing Hae's body (Jay's 2/28/99 Interview).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that when Adnan called Jay at 3:40 p.m., Adnan told him that "that bitch is dead. Come and get me. I'm at Best Buy." In the same interview, Jay explains why he lied about where he saw the body the first time:

Detective MacGillivary: "Why did you lie about the location?"

Jay: "Uh, I figured there was cameras there or somebody had spotted him doing what he was doing." (Id.)

In Jay's third interview, on April 13, 1999, Jay "told police that [Adnan] killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that [Adnan] paid him to help" (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's fourth story, which he tells his friend Chris, is that he was at a pool hall in Catonsville when Adnan called. Adnan then drove to the pool hall in Hae's car, and that is where the "trunk pop" occurs.

Jay's fifth story, which he tells his friend Tayyib, is that:

Jay told Tayib that Adnan had called Jay the day before asking for his help in the murder. Jay said his reply to Adnan was that he would not help in the killing of Hae, but he would help Adnan bury the body. Jay further went on to tell Tayib that he met Adnan on the day of the incident at a gas station w[h]ere Adnan showed Jay the body. ( Comment on Tayyib's Statement.)

Jenn's Story:
Jenn initially said that Jay was still at her house at the time of this call, because he was there until "well after three forty-five, between three forty-five and four-fifteen." Accordingly, Jay would still have had Adnan's phone at the time of this call. However, at trial, Jenn changes her story, and says instead that Jay left her house that day sometime between 3:00 and 3:30 p.m. (Brief of Appellant at 13).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Whoever has the cell phone appears to have been at or near Woodlawn. There is no evidence as to whom the 3:15 p.m. call was from.
The Prosecution's Story:
After ditching the car at the Park'n'Ride, "to hear Jay tell it, [he and Adnan] just kind of tool around Baltimore County together for a while as if nothing had happened- buy some weed, cruise around, make some calls. After a while, Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn High School." (Episode 1.) While in Adnan's car, with Adnan, Jay makes a call to Jenn to see if his weed dealer, Patrick, is at his home.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was still at Woodlawn or at the library, waiting for track practice to begin.
Jay's Stories:
Jay claims he was at Jenn's house until 3:40 p.m., which means he should still have been at Jenn's house at the time of this call.

If you instead use the timeline offered by the prosecution at trial, which disregards Jay's timeline and claims instead that Jay picked up Adnan from Best Buy shortly after 2:36 p.m., then the 3:21 p.m. call occurred sometime around when Adnan and Jay are at the Park'n'Ride.

In Jay's first and second police statements, he makes no mention of any call to Jenn during the afternoon. Instead, Jay claims, in the ride-along with the police on March 18, 1999, that after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, he and Adnan wanted to find some weed. They then called Jay's friend "Patrick"** to see if he could sell them any, but Patrick was not home, so Jay left a message on Patrick's answering machine (Episode 5). (**Note: The transcript identifies the friend as "Pete," but the call records identify him as "Patrick." It is possible that this is a mistaken transcription, and that Jay said "Pat" during the statement, and it was misheard as "Pete." I have been unable to confirm what Jay actually says, but for now I will assume "Patrick" and "Pete" are the same individual, and refer to him as Patrick.)

At trial, in order to explain this discrepancy, Jay testified that, after ditching Hae's car at the Park'nRide, "he called Jenn [ ] first, at 3:21 to find out if Patrick was home" (Episode 5). When Jenn did not know where Patrick was, he and Adnan then tried calling Patrick, before later giving up and driving to Forrest Park to buy weed from a corner salesman. Jay testified that this call to Jenn was made after he and Adnan had left the Park'n'Ride, and were driving south on Cooks Lane towards Patrick's house (which is off of Edmondson):

Whatever version of the story you go by, Jay's story has two big problems here. First, the Patrick call doesn't happen until 3:59 p.m., a full 40 minutes after Jay made the 3:21 p.m. call to Jenn. And second, the call records show that the call was made while in the area close to Best Buy - not the Park'n'Ride, and not on the way to Patrick's house. Jay is lying about where this call was made, and almost certainly the why as well.
Jenn's Story:
Jenn testified that Jay would not have called her to find out where Patrick was, because "[t]hats just not a thing that would have happened" (Episode 5). This contradicts Jay's story.

It is unclear whether, at trial, Jenn denies ever receiving a call from Jay at 3:21 p.m., or if she only denies that it was to ask about Patrick.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jay cannot be at Jenn's home, as he and Jenn repeatedly told the police and testified at trial. The cell phone records show that the phone was near Woodlawn for the entire time of Hae's probable abduction and/or murder, and that the phone was being used to call "Jenn Home" during this same time period. As Adnan has no reason to call Jenn, it is virtually certain that the call was made by Jay.

Jay's police statements are also inconsistent with this call. In his first interview, he does not mention ever making any calls to Jenn, at any point. In Jay's second interview, he tells the police that after he and Adnan left the Park'n'Ride, he decided to call Patrick to buy some weed. It is not until trial that Jay claims to have called Jenn, in order to find out if Patrick was home.

Explanatory Note: For a more in-depth discussion of the Nisha Call and why I believe it to be significant, please see Why the Nisha Call Shows That Hae Was Murdered at 3:32 p.m..

Of all the phone calls made on the day of Hae's murder, this one is the hardest for all sides to explain. Because even though three people were involved in the call - Nisha, Jay, and Adnan - not a single one of them seems to remember this conversation taking place, at least not on the date and at the location shown in the cell phone records.

But because Nisha is only friends with Adnan, and because Jay has no apparent reason to call her if he is not with Adnan, this one is hands-down the worst evidence for Adnan's case. If Adnan was at track, as he says, he could not have made this call. However, neither the prosecution, Jay, or Nisha have a plausible explanation for this call, either. Given that Nisha's number was saved at the top of the list in Adnan's cell phone, and given that Jay's explanation for the call (as discussed below) does not appear to be true, this call casts doubt on Adnan's case but is far from conclusive.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay are in Adnan's car, having ditched Hae's car. Adnan calls Nisha, and then puts Jay on the phone to talk to her. (This means that Hae's car must have been ditched at this time - if it hasn't, then both Adnan and Jay could not have spoken on the phone.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at track practice and does not have the phone.
Jay's Story:
Although Jay claims he did not leave Jenn's place until 3:45 p.m. (and therefore would not be with Adnan at the time of this call), Jay does say he remembers the call with Nisha. In his written itinerary on 3/18/99 (after, it should be noted, he has already been repeatedly confronted with the cell phone records), Jay says Adnan did call Nisha while he and Jay were driving around getting his, and that after he called her, "Adnan handed the phone to Jay at the golf course on West Forest Park Avenue" (Episode 5).

Jay's story is not supported (although not disproven, either) by the tower data, as the pings for all calls from 2:36 p.m to 3:59 p.m., including this call, hit tower L651, which is the tower that is very close to both Best Buy and Woodlawn High School. This makes it unlikely (but again, not impossible) that the call occurred as Jay says it did.
Nisha's Story:
Nisha testified that she recalled having a phone conversation with Adnan when he put Jay on the phone. But there's a problem with this story - Nisha remembers the call happening at night, and while Jay and Adnan were at a video store that Jay worked at. But the call that happened on January 13, 1999, happened in the middle of the afternoon, and Jay would not begin working at the video store until weeks after Hae's murder.

This makes the phone call Nisha remembers unlikely to be the same phone call as the one that happened on the day Hae died, but it does nothing to explain what conversation did happen that day.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Although the Nisha call is currently unexplained by all theories of the case, the cell phone records do confirm that - whatever the circumstances under which it was made - a call was likely placed by someone using Adnan's phone, from somewhere in the Woodlawn area, to Nisha.

Explanatory Note: At this point, I have not seen anything explaining who Phil is, but he is presumably Jay's friend, and not Adnan's.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed for a couple hours.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track practice or waiting for track to begin, which would have been at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Story:
To my knowledge, Jay has never once identified "Phil" or explained why Phil was called. Phil is not mentioned at any point during either Jay's first or second interviews. Jay may have discussed Phil at trial, but if so, I have seen nothing referencing it.

The Phil call is interesting, however, in that it was made at 3:48 p.m. - which is almost exactly the same time that Jay claims Adnan called him from Best Buy, asking Jay to come pick him up. But under the state's timeline (which has Jay going to pick up Adnan at 2:36 p.m.), by the time of the 3:48 p.m. call, Jay and Adnan must be on their way to Forest Park to buy weed, having ditched the car at the Park'n'Ride

Perhaps, however, part of Jay's story about the "come-get-me" call is true. Hae's murderer did indeed place a call at 3:45 p.m., asking a friend for help in disposing of Hae's body... but the caller was Jay, and the friend was the mysterious Phil, of whom we know almost nothing.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower. Based solely on tower data, it appears that the cell phone (whether it is in Jay's possession alone, or whether it is with both Jay and Adnan) is still in the vicinity of where Hae was murdered, but it could also be explained by the killer driving Hae's car to the I-70 Park'n'Ride. The call does ping an antenna eastward from where it had pinged in the three calls in the previous half hour, and it is well within reason that a call from the Park'n'Ride would route through a cell phone tower to the west (particularly given the topography of that area). Also possible, however, is that the cell phone has not moved during this time period, and the killer is still in the same location as the crime scene, with both Adnan's and Hae's cars. Perhaps that is why whoever has the cell phone is calling friends, to see if anyone can lend a hand.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan would be at track practice, which starts either at 3:30 or 4:00 p.m.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first interview, Jay does not ever mention calling any of his friends. There is no discussion of Patrick, or a call made to Patrick, or of going somewhere to buy weed. Jay says that immediately after ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride,

we went um we dropped an L back in the woods, back at [Patapsco] State Park (Int.1 at 10).

Jay and Adnan are at the cliffs at Patapsco for approximately half an hour. At approximately 4:30 p.m., Jay drives Adnan back to Woodlawn, and drops him off at track practice ( id. at 10-11).

In Jay's second interview, Jay says that, after dropping Hae's car off at the Park'n'Ride, he calls his friend Patrick to see if they can buy some weed, but Patrick is not home, so he leaves a message. When asked how long he was on the phone, Jay say:

Um, the machine it'll ring 4 or 5 times before the machine'll pick up. There' s a long song on there. Um, then his sister comes on, maybe like 4 minutes. (Int.2 at 16.)

The call was actually only 25 seconds long, so his claim about 4 minutes is way off. The claim that it lasted "like 4 minutes" is, however, intriguingly close to the time the call was made - 3:59 p.m. In light of the extensive coaching that the detectives provide to Jay during his second interview, it is possible that Jay has been shown the call records and asked to explain them, and mistakenly believed the call to Patrick lasted 3 minutes and 59 seconds, rather than that it had been made at 3:59 p.m.

Regardless of this mistake about the duration of the call, however, there is a problem with this story - Jay also claims that he and Adnan spoke to Nisha while they were in Forest Park. But that call was thirty minutes earlier, at 3:32, and Jay says that he and Adnan didn't go to Forest Park until after he called Patrick - at 3:59 p.m. Both things can't be true. Either Jay and Adnan drove to Forest Park after calling Patrick to ask about the weed, or else they did so before calling him. But in any event, both stories appear to be equally false, because they are not supported by the tower records.

Also - everything else aside, this is a really really odd story. Jay and Adnan have a body in the trunk, and their reaction is to call around to score some weed? Come on. From everything we know about both Jay and Adnan, neither of them are that monumentally stupid. And everything we know about human nature suggests that someone who has committed a carefully premeditated murder does not then go drive around the city calling people and hoping to score weed. Whoever made these calls, and whoever the killer is, I would bet an awful lot of money that the 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls had nothing to do with scoring weed and everything to do with a panicky murderer (or murderers) trying to figure out next steps.

In any event, Jay claims that after leaving the Park'n'Ride and calling Patrick's answering machine, he and Adnan

head to Forrest Park to see if we couldn't find that corner salesman there um. We go down there, we buy 2 dime sacks. Um, we turn around, I believe we stopped to get blunts on um, Rogers and Gwynn Oak, Gwynn Oak and Rogers on the corner of Gwynn Oak and Rogers. (Int.2 at 16.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The cell phone continues to ping the L651 tower, possibly indicating that the killer is still at the Park'n'Ride with Hae's vehicle.

If so, the 3:58 call may in fact be the real "come-and-get-me" call. One (very speculative) scenario: after killing Hae, if Jay decided to move her car to a new location away from the scene of the crime, Jay would be stuck with a two-car problem. After abandoning Hae's car (either at the Park'n'Ride, or somewhere near - a call from the Park'n'Ride could have been routed through L651, so that remains a possibility), he would either have a long walk back to Adnan's car (approximately forty minutes, if at the Park'n'Ride), or else he would need someone to pick him up and drive him back. The 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. calls could then be explained by Jay calling his friends to see who could give him a lift. Jay might have called Phil first, and when Phil wasn't available, Jay tried a friend and/or drug dealer. (Come to think of it, if you need a getaway vehicle, calling up a drug dealer buddy might be a smart idea - "Hey Pat, this is Jay - I'd love to buy some weed, can you hook me up? Except, small problem, I don't have a ride - but if you swing by and pick me up, we can then go and smoke some of what I buy?"). Whatever happened during these two calls, it appears that, based on the tower data from the call following this one, Patrick might have come through for Jay.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is still at track practice.
Jay's Stories:
In Jay's first and second interviews on 2/28/99 and 3/15/99, and in his written itinerary on 3/18/99, Jay tells the exact same story: that at 4:30 p.m., he and Adnan drive to Patapsco State Park to smoke weed and watch the sunset, which would have occurred at 5:05 p.m. (Episode 5).

In Jay's third interview with the police, on 4/13/99, Jay states that - rather than travel to Patapsco after the crime - Adnan killed Hae in Patapsco State Park, and that Jay was there too, because Adnan had paid him to help with the murder and/or body disposal. This story is contradicted by all of Jay's other versions of what happened, and - based on the timelines - it is pretty much impossible. Actually, it's entirely impossible, it simply could not have happened.

Likely realizing this (or, more likely, being instructed on this by a prosecutor and/or defense attorney), Jay does not testify about any Patapsco trip at Adnan's trial. The whole visit to the cliffs there to smoke weed just falls out of the story completely. Instead, Jay's trial testimony just has him and Adnan driving around aimlessly for a bit, until eventually Jay drops Adnan off at track practice.
Jenn's Story:
As discussed supra, Jenn says she got home from work a little after 12pm, and Jay showed up a little while after that. She and Jay

hung out at my house and th[e]n I guess around three-thirty, three forty-five[,] Jay got a call and then . . . Jay got another call . . . and then another call came in and I don't know . . . Whether it was on the cell phone that Jay had. [ ] [T]hen Jay left my house, probably around three-thirty, four, four-fifteen, well after three forty-five, between three-forty and four-fifteen. I left my house between four-fifteen and four-thirty to go pick up my parents from work."

At Adnan's trial, Jenn testified that on January 13th, Jay came over "to hang out with her and her brother," and that "[a]t 3:00-3:30 p.m., [Jay] left her house. After 4:30 p.m., Jennifer called her friend [Cathy's] house and [Jay] was there." (Brief of Appellant at 12-13.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Jenn is lying. If Jay was at her place until "well after 3:45," and she left pretty much immediately after, how is Jay calling "Jenn Home" at 4:21? And why doesn't Jenn tell the police that Jay called her immediately after he left her house?

The most plausible explanation for Calls 10 and 11 is that:

1. Jay got help either in moving Hae's car to the Park'n'Ride (if two cars were driven there), or Jay got a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (if only Hae's car was driven there). The calls at 3:48 and 3:59 p.m. are from Jay, either (i) after he has driven Hae's car somewhere to ditch it, and calling to ask for a ride back from the Park'n'Ride (or other parking lot near Woodlawn), possibly under the pretext of buying weed from the mysterious Phil and Patrick, or (ii) while Jay is still at the crime scene, and calling to straight up ask for help in transporting Hae's and Adnan's car to the Park'n'Ride. If the latter option is what occurs it could be that Jay finally got through to Patrick, who agrees to help, and Jay does the infamous "trunk pop" to Patrick when he arrives. Jay then ditches Hae's car and is reunited with Adnan's car, with an assist from Patrick; and,

2. At 4:21 p.m., after recovering Adnan's car, Jay calls "Jenn Home" to see if she's around. She is. Jay then goes to Jenn's house at around 4:30 p.m. for them to hang out, while Jay tries to figure out what the hell to do next. (Interesting note: it's only a 20-minute walk from the Park'n'Ride to Jenn's house. Perhaps this could explain some of Jay's movements.) While at Jenn's house, Jay is in fact "waiting for a phone call," as Jenn will later testify. Because the phone call that Jay is expecting is from Adnan - calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track, just like he and Jay had agreed upon. At 4:58, Jay gets that call and goes to get Adnan, before they both go to Cathy's.

3. At 6:00 p.m., Jenn calls Cathy's apartment, and Cathy tells Jenn that Adnan and Jay are at her place. This is why in Jenn insists that Jay left her house "after 3:45 p.m." (police statement) or at "3:00-3:30 p.m." (trial testimony), but also insists that when she calls her friend Cathy "after 4:30 p.m.," Cathy tells her that Jay is already there. These two events (Jay leaving Jenn's, and Jenn calling Cathy to learn that Jay is there) really do happen about an hour apart - but they occur at 5pm and 6pm, not 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m.

In fact, the only way all the timelines can fit together - without simply deciding that the trip to Jenn's or the trip to Cathy's or the trip to Woodlawn never occurred at all - is if Jay's visit to Jenn occurs after Hae is already dead. That's why Jay is "acting weird" when he's at Jenn's house. That's why Jay tells Jenn that he is "waiting for a phone call" - because Adnan told Jay he would be calling for a pickup after track was over. And the 4:12 p.m. call is Jay calling to see if Jenn is home, either asking for help, or telling her he is coming over.

And that's also why Jenn and Jay both insist over and over again that Jay was at Jenn's until "well after 3:45" - because Jenn's story about Jay being at her place until "3:45 p.m." is something she was told to say in order to give Jay an alibi. If Jay killed Hae, then Jay might know that Hae was killed a little before 3:45 (i.e., a little before the call to Phil at 3:48). Even though the police have some mistaken theory about Hae dying at 2:30 p.m., Jay knows it was at least an hour later - and in case the police know that to, Jay has to make sure his alibi accounts for that time period.

So even though the call records show that Jay was probably at Jenn's house from 4:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. on January 13 (assuming he was there at all), Jay has told Jenn to make sure her story includes that he was at her place until "after 3:45 p.m." Because that is the critical window.

This would also mean that neither the Patapsco trip nor any of the other side quests Jay has mentioned ever happened at all. The trip to buy weed, if it actually happened (I'm skeptical), is the sole detour that even could have possibly occurred, according to the call records, but that call could just as easily show instead a ping from the Park'n'Ride.

Additional Note: Here is where the real speculation comes in. Remember Neighbor Boy? The friend of Jay's, who told one of his neighbors that he had seen Hae's body in the back of a trunk? It may have been simply been bunk, some kid trying to make himself sound cool by telling a story. But I would be awfully curious to know if there is any connection between Neighbor Boy and either Phil or Patrick...

While I have not been able to obtain any information on Phil, I was able to find one very speculative, but possibly interesting, bit of information about Patrick. In 1999, Patrick's home address was for a road off Edmondson Ave - a few blocks down from where Hae's car was abandoned after her burial.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay drive continue to drive around in Adnan's car and smoke weed. Maybe they went to White Castle or something, idk.

Note: For an explanation of why this call shows that Jay's story was coached to fit the cellphone records, please see this post.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he was at track from the time it started (at 3:30 p.m., or maybe 4 p.m., witnesses testify to different times).
Jay's Story:
Jay says that, after driving around and smoking for a while, Adnan "told [Jay] that [he] had to take him back to school because he needed to be seen" at track practice, so that he could establish an alibi for Hae's murder (Episode 1). Adnan told Jay he would call him to pick him up when track was over.

In Jay's first police statement, Jay said that he went back to his home after dropping Adnan off at track, and that he was still at home when Adnan called him to ask to be picked up.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay said that, after dropping Adnan at track (which the detectives carefully specify was done in the front of the building, on the circle), he went to a park to smoke a blunt, and then went to Cathy's apartment where he smoked some more:

At Adnan's trial, Jay testified at trial that, after dropping Adnan off, he "went to [Cathy's] house, smoked some marijuana, and debated about what to do. [Cathy] and her boyfriend were there." (Appellant's Brief at 9.) Then, "[a]bout 30 minutes later, [Adnan] called and [Jay] went to school to get him" ( id.). The story about Jay going to "Cathy's" apartment after dropping Adnan at track is unverified by any other source that I am aware of, and appears to be a fabrication - because Cathy did not arrive home until after 5:00 p.m. that day.
Jenn's Story:
At trial, Jenn says that "after 4:30 p.m.," she called her friend Cathy, and Jay was at Cathy's apartment at that time (Brief of Appellant at 13). However, based on Cathy's testimony, it seems almost certain that Jenn's call to Cathy occurred after 6 p.m., because Cathy says she did not get home until after 5:00 p.m., and that when Jenn called her, both Adnan and Jay were at her apartment.
Cathy's Story:
We know that Jay does go to Cathy's apartment at some point on January 13th, but it was almost certainly after picking Adnan up from track, and not before track like Jay claims. Why? Because Cathy testified that she did not arrive home until "5:00-5:15 p.m." that day, and that Jay and Adnan showed up "later" (Brief of Appellant at 13). Cathy said, in her statement, that:

while Jay and Adnan were there, Jenn called the apartment. Or maybe it was she that called Jenn . . . But she does remember talking to Jenn and saying, 'Jay's here with some kid who's practically passed out on the cushions.' And Jenn thought that was curious, like, 'what's Jay doing there?' She told Cathy that Jay had been acting weird earlier in the day too. (Episode 6.)

What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The tower records show that the cell phone was near both Jay's house and Jenn's house from 4:30 to 5:00 p.m. - and therefore wholly inconsistent with Jay going to Cathy's before getting Adnan from track. In fact, the three calls we know for certain were made from Cathy's - the 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 p.m. calls - all pinged towers farther south, close to Cathy's, as expected, but the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls both ping towers to the north of Cathy's, next to Jenn's and Jay's places.

This cell phone data is consistent with Jay committing the crime alone. After ditching Hae's car at the Park'n'Ride, Jay either goes to Jenn's place or returns to his home. It is now 4:30 p.m., and Jay is aware that Adnan will soon be calling to tell Jay to pick him up from track. There would not have been enough time for Jay to dispose of Hae's body (and also it would have been too risky to do so in the daylight). If Jay goes to Jenn's house, then this perfectly explains Jenn's police statement (see Call 11) in which she describes Jay receiving several calls. These are the 4:27 and 4:58 p.m. calls. Perhaps after leaving Jenn's house, Jay returns home to get shovels for later use, and puts them in the trunk of Adnan's car. After all, Jay says it takes him 15 minutes to pick up Adnan from practice after Adnan calls, and a drive from Jenn's to Jay's to Woodlawn would have taken about 13 minutes.
The Prosecution's Story:
At trial, the prosecution's story is that, at the time of this call, Jay and Adnan are in Forrest Park buying weed.
Adnan's Story:
After track, Adnan says he would have called Jay to pick him up. The 4:58 p.m. call would likely have been Adnan calling his cell phone to let Jay know he was done.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay said that he and Adnan were in Patapsco State Park smoking weed at the time of this call.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claimed that he dropped Adnan back off at Woodlawn for track practice at about the time this call occurred.

At trial, Jay testified that he and Adnan were buying weed in Forrest Park at the time of this call.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call was almost certainly from Adnan, telling Jay that track is over and to come pick him up. That would be consistent with everything we can establish about the witnesses' timelines.

It is virtually certain Adnan was at track that day. Why? Because regardless of whether Jay is guilty or innocent, his testimony about Adnan going to track is credible - Jay has no reason to lie about that specific fact, and many reasons to tell the truth.

If Jay did kill Hae, then when the police interviewed him and made it clear that they thought Adnan was their suspect, Jay would have been given a motive to frame Adnan. However, since Jay knew that he had picked up Adnan from track practice that day, Jay's story had to include the fact that Adnan went to track - because Jay knew that people had seen Adnan at track, and Jay assumed that people would remember that. (In fact, only a single witness has specific memories of Adnan being at track that day. Other witnesses have also stated that they believe Adnan was there that day, even if they do not have a specific memory of it, because if Adnan had not showed they would have remembered that.)

On the other hand, if Jay's story about Adnan killing Hae is true, then he likewise has every reason to tell the truth about track practice. If he says Adnan did not go to track, but someone remembered seeing him there, Jay's story would begin to look questionable. Additionally, Jay has no reason to misremember dropping Adnan off at track.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 5:14 call was an incoming call that was not answered, and a voicemail message lasting one minute, seven seconds was then left on Adnan's phone. As Adnan did not know how to check his voicemail yes, the message is not retrieved until January 14th.

Adnan was likely still at track practice at this time.
Prosecution's Story:
It is unclear how exactly the prosecution explains this call. The call is made to one of Adnan's friends - Krista - which should suggest that Adnan has the phone. But Jay's story claims he does not pick up Adnan from track until about 6:00 p.m.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picks him up from track at around 5:15 p.m., he and Jay go over to Cathy's apartment. Adnan does not know Cathy, but Jay knows Cathy through Jenn, as she is Cathy's sorority sister.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first statement, Jay claims that after track practice (at around 7 p.m., so much later than the call records can support) he and Adnan go to a McDonald's off of Rolling Road and have dinner.

In Jay's second statement, Jay claims he and Adnan go to Cathy's apartment at around 6:15 p.m., so a little after this call. Jay also claims that, at around 5:45 p.m., Adnan calls from track to ask to be picked up - a claim that cannot be reconciled with the 5:38 p.m. call to Krista.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
As much as anything about the timeline of that day can be called established fact, the time period from about 5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. appears to be the most well accounted for.

At approximately 5:15 p.m., Jay picks Adnan up from track, and they then go to "Cathy's" (not-her-real-name's) house. Cathy is a friend of Jenn's. Cathy sort of knows Jay, through Jenn, but Adnan and Cathy had never met before that day. Adnan almost certainly has his cell phone back again by the time of this call - Krista is a friend of Adnan's, not Jay's, and Jay is unlikely to be calling her.

The tower ping at L653 could show that Adnan and Jay are driving from Woodlawn to "Cathy's" house. Or, as Jay says, they could be at a McDonald's getting dinner. And by "getting McDonald's," what I actually mean is "getting high and then really needing some Chicken McNuggets."

Explanatory Note: There is little/no dispute that Jay and Adnan arrived at Cathy's sometime between 5:30 p.m. and 6:00 p.m, where they hung out and smoke weed until approximately 6:30 p.m., before both left in Adnan's car.
Prosecution's Story:
Jay and Adnan go to Cathy's after track practice, although the precise time is hard to reconcile between Jay's and Cathy's testimonies.
Adnan's Story:
After Jay picked Adnan up from track, they smoke some pot, and then Jay takes them to Cathy's apartment.
Cathy's Story:
At trial, Cathy testified that:

On January 13, 1999, at 5:00-5:15 p.m., she arrived home, and her boyfriend Jeff [ ] was there. [Jay] and [Adnan] arrived later . . . They all watched television at about 6:00 p.m. Appellant was lying on some pillows on her floor when he asked, 'how do you get rid of a high?' (Brief of Appellant at 13-14.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jay's testimony, which is that he was at Cathy's before leaving to pick up at Adnan, and then returning to her house. Cathy (and apparently Jeff) never confirm that Jay had already been at their house earlier that afternoon.

Also, according to Cathy, Jay and Adnan just showed up at her place out of the blue:

I was kinda surprised and a little confused because [Jay] didn't call me unless he was with Jenn and nobody had called to say 'hey are you guys home? Do you guys want to hang out?' Nothing like that. So it was a little strange that he would just pop up at the door. I remember him being like, 'do you want to smoke? Do you wanna hang out?' And I remember being like, 'well hang on a second,' and asking Jeff if he wanted to- 'Jay's at the door!' Jeff was like, 'for what?' 'Well he wants to hang out.' And Jeff was like, 'that's cool.' So Jay came in and he introduced his friend, I don't think he introduced him by name, I think he was just like, 'this is a friend of mine.' (Episode 6.)

Note that this is somewhat inconsistent with Jenn's testimony. According to Jenn, she and Jay "had plans to go to [Cathy's] house together that evening" (Brief of Appellant at 13). So why does Cathy seem to think it was a total surprise to see Jay there?
Cathy's Story:
Cathy recalls that Adnan received a call from someone, but that it was "not lengthy." After the call, Adnan was asking, "what if they come talk to me, what should I say, [ ] what should I do."
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
It is not firmly established who the 6:09 call was from, but Sarah Koenig gives a fairly convincing explanation on the podcast - it was from Adnan's friend, Aisha, telling Adnan that she had told the police to speak with him about Hae:

So maybe Aisha called Adnan at 6:09, says "I just talked to the police and they're going to get in touch with you too." Aisha says that Adnan was annoyed. Maybe that's what Cathy interpreted as panicked. I think we can all stipulate that Adnan was super stoned. He told me he had weed in the car and was worried the cops were going to find it if they came to talk to him. So, imagine for a second that Adnan is talking to Aisha and says something like . . . What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? They're gonna come talk to me. What am I supposed to say?" (Episode 9.)

Additionally, although this call pings a different tower from the 6:07 p.m. call, it is virtually certain that the cell phone remains at the same location - Cathy's house - at all times between 6:07 and 6:24.

Explanatory Note: This call was almost certainly from the police, asking if Adnan has seen Hae. As Koenig describes the start of the investigation:

"Hae's brother called the cops that afternoon. Officer Scott Adcock arrives from the Baltimore County PD. His initial report records the time as 5:12 p.m. Adcock calls Aisha and Adnan asking if they've seen Hae." (Episode 9.)

Officer Adcock's Story:
Office Adcock testified that, during this phone call, Adnan told him he'd asked Hae for a ride, but that he'd been "held up" at school and missed the ride. (One of Hae's friends, Becky, gives a somewhat similar story - she says that Adnan asked Hae for a ride, but that at 2:20 p.m., Hae tells Adnan that she won't be able to give him a ride, and Adnan says "OK, I'll just ask someone else."
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says that he remembers this phone call:

"Oh no, uh, I do remember that phone call and I do remember being high at the time because the craziest thing is to be high and have the police call your phone. I'll never forget that." (Episode 6.)

But Adnan does not recall asking Hae for a ride that day, or telling the officer that he asked for one.
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock calls while he and Adnan were at McDonald's.

In Jay's second police statement, Jay says that Officer Adcock called when he and Adnan were "leaving [Cathy's] apartment," and were "stepping from the foyer into the hallway." Jay says he then begins to panic.
Cathy's Story:
Cathy says that, a little while after receiving a phone call, Adnan just leaves, heading out the door, and Jay follows Adnan out, leaving his "hat and smokes" at Cathy's (Episode 6). Adnan and Jay go downstairs and get into Adnan's car. Cathy sees them stay there, for "[l]ike a minute . . . just sitting out in the car."
What the Call Records Show:
Based on the timing of the 5:38, 6:07, 6:09, and 6:24 calls, what appears to have happened is that, after Jay picked up Adnan from track, Jay and Adnan go to smoke. Adnan gets really, really high. Jay and Adnan then show up at Cathy's sometime between 5:40pm and 6:00pm. At 6:07, Hae's brother calls asking about Hae. At 6:09, Aisha calls, and tells Adnan that the police are going to call him. Adnan freaks; he is super high, and the police are about to call him, and he starts asking, "What do I do if the cops call me? How do I get rid of a high?" Ten minutes later, he and Jay leave Cathy's apartment. In the hallway, Officer Adcock calls Adnan, and Adnan and Jay get into Adnan's parked car while speaking to the officer for a little over 4 minutes. They then drive away.
Yaser's Story:
To my knowledge, Yaser has never been questioned about this phone call. Yaser was a friend of Adnan's, although it's unclear how close they were. Yaser is also the individual identified by the anonymous caller as someone the police should speak to, because Yaser, according to the caller, knows something about Adnan's involvement in the murder.
Adnan's Father's Story:
Adnan's father testified at trial that, on January 13, 1999, Adnan "attended religious services with [him] from 7:30 p.m. to 10:30 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 16). Adnan's mosque was close to his home, and is marked above with an asterisk.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "after the Adcock call, he and Adnan left Cathy's and then they do a bunch of different things: they drive to Jay's house for shovels, then to I-70 Park & Ride for Hae's car, then Jay goes to McDonald's back by school to wait for Adnan, says he's there waiting for about 20 minutes, then they drive all around for awhile back over to Patapsco, then up Dogwood, to Security, before they finally get to Leakin Park." (Episode 5.) There's a huge problem with Jay's story though. Doing what Jay describes "takes an hour and twenty minutes. Twice as long as, in other words, than the call log accounts for." ( Id.).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 6:59 p.m. call pings a tower that covers Adnan's home and mosque, but not Jay's house. Jay does claim that he went to the McDonald's by school to wait for Adnan for 20 minutes after picking up Hae's car, but Jay does not explain why on earth he and Adnan would add this trip to their itinerary. One possible explanation is that it's an attempt to explain why the 6:59 call and the 7:00 p.m. call pinged at Woodlawn.
Adnan's Story:
According to Adnan, "he's pretty sure he was with his phone at that time after track. Again, his memory is vague, it's full of I probably would haves. But he says that from what he can remember of the evening, after he got the call from Office Adcock, he remembers dropping Jay off at some point and then he says he would have gone to the mosque for prayers. It was Ramadan. He doesn't say he lent his phone out or his car to Jay or anyone else that evening."

But if Adnan did kill Hae, this is quite possibly the most baffling thing Adnan could say. Why on earth would his story be that he is "pretty sure he was with his phone" at that time, when, if he is guilty, he knew full well that is exactly when Hae was buried? Why would he lie about everything else, but tell the truth about this damning detail - when he could just as easily have said instead that he let Jay borrow his phone that evening? Or even just say that he "might've" let Jay borrow his phone? Why would Adnan make such a bold-faced lie about going to mosque that evening (when there could potentially be dozens of witnesses who could confirm that he did not go to mosque), but then not go a tiny step further and say he doesn't remember having his phone, but he frequently lent it out to Jay, and might have done so that night?

A simpler explanation is that Adnan really just doesn't remember letting Jay borrow his phone and car while he was at mosque. Which isn't an entirely satisfying explanation, but it makes more sense than a guilty Adnan lying about everything else and telling the truth about this single incriminating thing. After all, it is pretty much established fact that Adnan was as high as a kite at 6:30pm that night; him being fuzzy on the details is at least explainable. And if Jay had asked to borrow the the car, wouldn't Adnan have probably agreed, based on his willingness to allow Jay to borrow it earlier? After all, he's going to be in mosque for a couple hours, it wouldn't be any inconvenience to him. Alternatively, perhaps Adnan felt he was too high to drive, e.g., "How do you make a high go away?" In which case Jay "offered" to drive an impaired Adnan to mosque, and then needed to "borrow" the car to drive back to Cathy's - while promising Adnan he'd return the car when mosque was out.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, he "was supposed to meet [Jenn] at 7:00 p.m., so he paged her at 7:00 p.m. from Leakin Park" (Appellant's Brief at 9). Jay does not explain why he was supposed to meet Jenn at 7:00 p.m., or when he and Jenn made this agreement.
Jenn's Story:
In Jenn's police statement, she says that,

between six-thirty, anytime, after I got home from picking my parents up, to seven-thirty. I guess it's between that. I was in my bedroom ah getting dress because I knew I was going out later to just hang out at my friend Cathy's house. (Jenn Int. at 13.)

While getting ready to go to Cathy's, she then gets a message from Jay. Or maybe two messages. The source of this message is very unclear; Jenn gives a laundry list of answers of where this message might have come from:

that's when I got the page that was a voice message from Jay saying to get him from the park and then when I .... and then like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him, but I'm not sure. He left a message on the machine telling me something about either to come and pick him up at the park or he was going to be later than what he thought, so don't go to the park yet. I think I got two messages, maybe on my pager, one saying to pick him up and the next message saying "I'm going to be later don't pick" you know "don't pick me up at the park" or "I'll call you when I need you" or something. I was confused... there was confusion in his message so I felt it necessary to contact him to find out where I was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

So Jenn either got a "page that was a voice message" (technically possible - a portable voicemail service was available in Baltimore, although the service shut down sometime in 1999), or "like maybe actually maybe I knew to pick him up from the park earlier I had talked to him." Or maybe she got two messages. The two messages seem to make the most sense - the first message, via an unknown medium, was to tell Jenn that he needed the ride from the park, and the next message was to say that he needed her to pick him up later.

Either way, I believe we can be safe in assuming that one of these two communications was the 7:00 p.m. page. Jenn pretty much clarifies that at another point in her statement:

I believe that I got a voice message from Jay like um telling me to get him from the park and around between seven and seven-thirty I think it was and for some reason the message was like very confusing or something (Jenn Int. at 12).

The park Jenn identifies is this park located "off of Crosby and Chesworth," but is not "the one that the pool's on" ( id.). This would make it Western Hills Community Park - a three minute walk away from Adnan's mosque.

Now that's an interesting coincidence. Why would Jay be calling Jenn to ask for a ride from a place across the street from Adnan's mosque at 7 or 7:30 p.m.? Perhaps because Jay knew Adnan would be driving there, after leaving Cathy's?
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
There are two big problems with Jay's trial testimony about paging Jenn from Leakin Park. First, the cell records show that the 7:00 p.m. call was most likely made from the Woodlawn area, not Leakin Park. Second, Jay's story has him in Adnan's car - but not with Adnan -at 7:00 p.m. So how could he have paged Jenn at 7:00 p.m., if Adnan was calling Yaser at 6:59? Jay testified at trial Adnan drove him to Jay's house, where they got "two shovels . . . and put them in [Adnan's] car" (Brief of Appellant at 9.) They then "drove to pick up Hae's car, and [Adnan] got in Hae's car. [Jay] followed [Adnan] around for 45 minutes, and they ended up in Leakin Park." ( Id.) Which means that Adnan and Jay were in separate vehicles at 7:00 p.m., if Jay's story is true.

An alternative explanation for the cell phone data is that Jay borrowed Adnan's car and phone while he was in mosque. After leaving Cathy's, Adnan is dropped off at the mosque near his house, and Jay drives to Hae's car (which is either at the Park'n'Ride or at a mall parking lot near Woodlawn). He then drives Hae's car to Leakin Park, taking the phone and the shovels with him from Adnan's car, and buries her. He returns Hae's car to where it was stashed earlier, gets back in Adnan's car, and heads back to the mosque to return the car and phone to Adnan when mosque is out at 9pm.

The fact that Jay left Jenn a message asking Jenn to pick him up from a park near Adnan's mosque further supports this theory. If Adnan did kill Hae, and recruited Jay to help him bury her, is no explicable reason why Jay would be calling Jenn's pager from Adnan's phone, and leaving Jenn a message asking to be picked up from the park near the mosque. Such a call could be explained, however, if Jay had been unaware that he would be unable to use Adnan's car and cell phone. If Jenn and Jay had spoken on the phone while Jay was at Cathy's (we know that Jenn called Cathy around 6:00 - 6:30 p.m. that night), then Jay may have asked for a ride from Jenn then, planning to have her take him to Hae's car after Adnan dropped him off on his way to mosque. Jay's plans may have changed when Adnan ended up letting Jay borrow his car while he was in mosque. The 7:00 p.m. call would then be Jay notifying Jenn that he no longer needed the pick up from the park near the mosque, but that he would need her to pick him up later.

EDIT, 1/17/2015: Due to the release of additional information concerning the reliability of the cellphone data, as well as the nature of the forensic evidence, I no longer believe that the cellphone was in Leakin Park at this time. It appears instead that the burial in Leakin Park took place hours later.
The Prosecution's Story:
Adnan and Jay picked up Hae's car from the I-70 Park'n'Ride, and then drive into Leakin Park via N. Franklintown Road, where they body Hae's body. The route from the Park'n'Ride to the place where Hae's body was found takes approximately four minutes. Although it is unclear why this specific location is chosen for the burial site, it appears, from Google Maps, that t he section of N. Franklintown Road that Hae's killer(s) would have used to enter the woods does not have a guardrail up. Although there are now concrete barriers in place, it seems very likely that, in January 1999, those barriers were not there, allowing whoever buried Hae to pull off at the side of the road there. As Gwynns Falls Trail was under construction at that time, there was likely ample room for Hae's car to be parked (without blocking N Franklintown Road) while a grave was dug and Hae's body was transferred into it. (For comparison purposes, note that the "Warning This Park is Patrolled" sign behind the concrete barriers matches the sign described in Episode 3 and shown on the S erial website.)
Adnan's Story:
Adnan is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
Jay testified that "[w]hile [he] and [Adnan] were digging, [Jenn] called the cell phone, returning [Jay's] page [at 7:00 p.m.]. [Adnan] allegedly answered and told [Jenn] they were busy and hung up." (Brief of Appellant at 9.)
Jenn's Story:
Jenn has stated that either the 7:09 or 7:16 p.m. call came from her. Jenn told the police in her taped interview that she called Jay because although he had left her a message earlier, asking her to pick him up, "there was confusion in his message so [she] felt it necessary to contact him to find out where [she] was suppose[d] to get him from." (Jenn Int. at 13.) She says this call occurred

I guess I'd say between six- thirty and seven-thirty. . . I knew that I was dialing [Adnan's] cell phone, the cell phone number." (Jenn Int. at 13.)

"When I called them, um, Adnan answered the phone and said 'Jay will call you back when you're re-' when he's ready for you to come and get him, or for you to come and meet him, or whatever. 'Jay will call you when he's ready.' And um, so that's all like, he was very quick and very 'bye' you know." (Episode 6.)

But at trial, she gave a different story. She testified that when she called the cell, someone other than Jay answered the phone and said, "Jay will call you back when he is ready for you to come and get him, he is busy" (Brief of Appellant at 13). She stated that "[t]he voice on the cell phone was an older male, deep, not like a kid, and it was not [Jay]" ( id.). But Jenn does not identify the voice as belonging to Adnan - even though she knows him, and even though she had previously identified the speaker as Adnan in her police interview.

It should also be noted that Jenn's statement (as well as Jay's) does not match the known duration of the call. At 33 seconds, whatever conversation occurred must have been longer than the brief exchange Jenn describes, which would have taken less than 10 seconds.

But aside from that, why on earth would Adnan know that Jenn was calling to find out when to pick Jay up? And why would he even answer the phone? Surely after burying Hae's body, Jay would have preferred to take his accomplice home himself - rather than forcing a third party to come pick him up, and potentially become involved.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 7:09 p.m. and 7:16 p.m. calls are the two most significant calls in the case, because both calls were routed through L689B - which is the tower/antenna whose range is almost exclusively limited to the southwest leg of Leakin Park, where Hae was buried. We can say with almost complete certainty that whoever had the cell phone at that time was in Leakin Park, burying Hae's body.

Why? Because we have independent evidence confirming that Hae was buried between 6:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on January 13, 1999. (1) The first witness statement in the case came from Jenn, in her statement to the police on February 27, 1999, when she told them that Jay asked her to pick him up "some time after eight o'clock" (Episode 6). Jenn said that "[a]fter they'd driven a little ways, Jay mention[ed] shovels. The shovels Adnan had used to dig in the park to bury Hae." (Episode 4.) She has no apparent motive to lie about the timing of when she picked up Jay, and there is no evidence that she had seen the cell phone records at that point, or was matching her story to them. (2) Cathy, who has no motive to lie and whose testimony could apparently be verified by her boyfriend, Jeff, states that Adnan and Jay were at her house until 6:30 p.m. that evening.

So Hae was buried in Leakin Park during that hour-and-a-half window. Of the 52 outgoing and incoming malls made to Adnan's cell phone on January 12 and 13, 1999, exactly two calls were routed through L689B, which is the tower and antenna that covers the southwest portion of Leakin Park (and covers almost nothing that isn't Leakin Park). In fact, only one other call was even routed through tower L689, despite the fact it is adjacent to the towers covering Woodlawn and Cathy's house - and that's the 4:12 p.m. call, when Jay would have been parking Hae's car immediately next to Leakin Park, at the Park'n'Ride.

This is very strong evidence that the reason the 7:09 and 7:16 p.m. calls were routed from the Leakin Park tower is that the cell phone was, in fact, in Leakin Park. The odds are too much against this being a mere coincidence - because over the course of 48 hours, only two calls are routed through L689B, and both occur precisely within the one-and-a-half hour window in which we know the killer was in Leakin Park burying Hae's body. This is a sufficient basis from which to conclude that the killer had the phone while burying Hae.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan says he is at mosque.
Jay's Story:
At trial, Jay testified that, shortly after the call from Jenn (at 7:09), "while [Adnan] took Hae's body to the shallow grave and put dirt on her to cover her, he received another call. He spoke part in Arabic and part in English." (Brief of Appellant at 9-10.) Adnan does not speak Arabic, or any similar languages (Episode 5), so Jay's testimony is hard to explain.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
This call, like the previous call, pings the tower in Leakin Park. Whoever has the phone is likely burying Hae's body.
Jenn's Stories:
Jenn's Police Statement: During her interview with the police, Jenn says she picked Jay up sometime after 8 p.m., because she had "arranged to meet [Jay] in the parking lot of Westview Mall" (Episode 6). Jenn drove to Westview Mall, where she "saw [Jay and Adnan] arrive in Adnan's car." (Episode 6.). She told the police that,

"Jay mentioned to me that he knew where Adnan dumped the shovel or shovels. I don't know how many there were - but he mentioned to me that he know that where Adnan put the shovels." (Episode 4.)

Jenn then tells the police that, after picking Jay up and leaving, "she drives Jay back to Westview Mall to the dumpsters back there so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe the handles clean in case of fingerprints" ( id.). "After that, Jay came back, got in [Jenn's] car, and he was really shooken up. . . He was like you have to take me to go see my girlfriend now" ( id.).

Jenn's Trial Testimony: At trial, Jenn testified that "[b]etween 8:00-8:15 p.m., [she] got a message from [Jay] to pick him up at Westview ["WV"] Mall in 15 minutes, so she left and picked him up in front of Value City." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn arrived there first. When Jay and Adnan arrived, "[Adnan] was . . . driving, and said hello to [Jenn]. [Jay] got in her car and said . . . '[Adnan] strangled Hae in the Best Buy parking lot. [I] saw her body in the trunk.' . . . [Adnan] used [Jay's] shovels to bury her and [Jay] wanted to make sure there were no fingerprints on them." (Brief of Appellant at 13.) Jenn further "testified [Jay] told her he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay. They went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." ( Id.)
Jay's Story:
After burying Hae, Jay claims he and Adnan got back into their respective cars, and drove to a neighborhood off of Edmondson Avenue (Route 40), where Hae's car was abandoned.

Jay says that at some point after this, Jenn picks him up. But where? Jay has given a lot of different answers about where Jenn picks him up from, and it's not clear which (if any) are true (Brief of Appellant at 11).

Jay's story at trial is that after ditching Hae's car, he and Adnan "went to Value City [located in Westview Mall, off of Route 40] and threw away some of Hae's belongings and some other evidence in a dumpster. [Jay] paged Jen again. [Adnan] allegedly drove [Jay] home and [Jay] changed his clothes and put them in a bag. Jen came to pick up [Jay] at his home and took him to Super Fresh where he threw the shovels and his bag of clothes away in a dumpster." (Brief of Appellant at 10.)
Why Jenn and Jay Are Both Lying about the 8:04 and 8:05 p.m. calls:
(1) Did Jenn see Jay arrive at Westview, or did Jay page Jenn to pick him up while he was at Westview? Because Jenn says when Jay paged her to pick him up, she went to Westview, where shortly after Adnan and Jay pulled up. In contrast, Jay says he paged Jenn while he was already at Westview, and Adnan then dropped him off at Jay's house, where Jenn later picked him up.

These stories are completely irreconcilable, and cannot be explained by simple memory lapses. Why would Jenn forget where Jay told her that Adnan had killed Hae? And why would Jay forget where Jenn picked him up?

(2) Where were the shovels (or shovel) thrown away? In Westview Mall or at Super Fresh?

Jenn says that Jay told her they were tossed at Westview - and that, after picking up Jay at Westview and driving off somewhere, she and Jay later drive back to Westview, so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe them clean. But Jay says (at trial) that he only threw away some of Hae's belongings at Westview - and that he didn't toss the shovels until after Jenn picked him up at his house, and drove him to Super Fresh, where he dumped the shovel(s) in a dumpster. So were they thrown away at Westview or Super Fresh? And why would Jay have needed to have Jenn drive him away from Westview, and then later drive him back to wipe down prints?

Any why the heck wasn't Adnan concerned about wiping down prints, if he did it? And for that matter, why would Adnan be letting his pot dealer handle the huge responsibility of disposing of the evidence? If Adnan did kill Hae, I just cannot imagine him leaving such an important detail for Jay to handle.

(Incidentally, Super Fresh is out westward on Route 40, on the way to Patapsco State Park. Perhaps this somehow works in to Jay's whole nonsensical Patapsco story somehow? Given how often Jay repeats it, it would be beyond bizarre if nothing about Hae's murder was linked to there. Something about Jay's claims about Patapsco are true, it's just hard to know what.)
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 8:04 and 8:05 calls show that whoever has the cell phone was probably somewhere along Route 40/Edmondson Avenue. As Edmondson Avenue is where Hae's car was abandoned (Jay later led police to where the car had been ditched), these calls are almost certainly showing the killer abandoning the car after burying her body.

If Jay killed Hae, acting alone, then he still has a two-car problem to deal with in disposing of Hae's body and car - as he would have parked Adnan's car in one spot, and then driven Hae's car to a different spot, with no way to get back to Adnan's car. The cell phone records do suggest an explanation for what was going on. As all of the calls made from 7:00 p.m. to 8:05 p.m. are to Jenn's pager, this indicates that not only did Jay have the phone, but that he had something urgent to communicate with her about.

The most likely thing Jay needed to talk to Jenn about was getting a ride after leaving Hae's car. If Jenn was telling the truth about picking Jay up from a strip mall -- and her story on this point seems more credible than Jay's - then that would explain how Jay was able to solve the two car problem. After dropping Adnan at mosque at 7:00 p.m., he drove Adnan's car to Hae's car (probably at the Park'n'Ride), drove Hae's car to bury Hae's body, then ditched her car off Edmondson Avenue. Getting from the Woodlawn area, to the Park'n'Ride, and then to the burial spot would take about fifteen minutes (five minutes for each leg, plus five minutes to switch cars.) Jay said that burying the body took 20-25 minutes. That would mean Jay was ditching the car at around 7:45 p.m., and from where her car was left, there are at least a couple strip malls within a 20-minute walk, if you're walking a little faster than average.

That would provide a possible explanation for the two pages to Jenn in rapid succession, at 8:04 p.m. and 8:05 p.m. - at right about the time Jay would've gotten to a strip mall. The double page could have acted as the signal for Jenn to come and pick him up at a pre-arranged location.

In reality, if Jay was the sole killer, there are many ways he could have handled ditching Hae's car after burying her body (such as parking it back at the Park'n'Ride and moving it over to Edmondson later, for instance). But whatever method was used, I think it is a fair inference that Jay's multiple calls to Jenn from Leakin Park that night were related to the cover up of Hae's murder - because why would someone burying a body repeatedly page a friend, unless the pages were related to said body burying? It's not exactly a time that you would be worrying about making social arrangements, that's for sure.

Additional Note: I'm not trying to say Jenn had knowledge of Jay killing Hae, or that she was actively involved in disposing of Hae's car. That's not what the timeline seems to imply. Her testimony is that her assistance was limited to disposing of clothes and boots, and it's entirely possible that's true. It's also perfectly possible she would have fully believed Jay, if Jay told her Adnan had done it. Her decision to distort her testimony to protect Jay, then, might have only been intended to help an innocent friend not take the rap for a murder he didn't commit. But her statement to the police has been cooked.

I will note, however, that I actually do believe most of Jenn's story. Her description of events seems mostly accurate - but she has changed the timeline and the details to make sure Jay can "prove" to the police that he was not involved in the actual murder.
Adnan's Story:
Adnan does not have clear memories of what happened that night after he went to mosque.
Jenn's Stories:
This is going to get confusing, because Jenn describes at least three different series of events that occur after she picks up Jay from Westview. Those three versions are:

1. Pick up Jay at Westview → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to the Cathy's house (Jenn Int. at 2-4).

2. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Return to Westview to wipe down shovels → Go to Cathy's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party (id. at 18-20).

3. Pick up Jay at Westview → Go to Stephanie's house → Go to UMBC for friend Mike's birthday party → Go to Cathy's house (id. at 21).

Regarding the trip to Stephanie's, Jenn says that they went either after rerturning to Westview to wipe down the shovels or before returning to Westview for the shovels (or after leaving Westview and never returning), and that the trip took about 15 minutes. After Jenn picked up Jay from Westview for the first time, Jay told her that "he wanted to go check on Stephanie to make sure she was okay," so "[t]hey went to Stephanie's house between 8:30-9:00 p.m." (Brief of Appellant at 13). But Jenn is ambiguous in the wording she uses to describe this trip:

We, I want to say that we went to Stephanie's house, his girlfriend, I want to say that we went there 'cause I think that I remember Jay saying that he wanted to go see Steph, he wanted to go and give her a hug and see her and make sure she was okay and everything[.] (Jenn Int. at 18.)

Jenn also said (in her trial testimony and police statement) that the following day she took Jay "to F&M drugstore to get rid of clothing and boots in a dumpster" (Brief of Appellant at 13). In her police statement, she was consistent with this trial testimony, and stated that,

sometime during the 14th . . . I went to see Jay again at his house. I picked him up and and he had his boots with him as well as his inaudible jacket that he had on the night before and he asked me if I would take him to F & M parking lot. I took him to F & M parking lot and we drove around the back until we saw a dumpster . . . and Jay threw his clothes boots in the dumpster. (Jenn Int. at 23.)

Cathy's Story:
Cathy testified that, on January 13, 1999, after Jay and Adnan left her house a little after 6:30 p.m., "[Jay] returned hours later with Jennifer, but [Adnan] was not with them." (Appellant's Brief at 14).

Cathy had no reason to lie, and Jenn and Jay returning to Cathy's is consistent with Jenn's claims that she and Jay had plans to go there that night. It appears that Jay may even have testified that he and Jenn returned to Cathy's at 11:30pm that night. But in that case, what did Jenn and Jay do from around 8:30 p.m. until 11:30 p.m.? And why did he and Jenn not go to Stephanie's, as they claim?
Jay's Story:
In Jay's first interview, Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I drive myself home and on the way home he's like "stop here." We stopped at ah Westview and one of the dumpster's behind Westview he threw all the stuff in. Um. . . Um we argue um we argue some more, went to the 7 -11 and then inaudible. (Int.1 at 20-21.)

In Jay's second interview, Jay also claims in the first interview that he throws his clothes away in the trash outside of his house:

Detective: Where did you discard the clothing?
Jay: Um I put mine in the trash at my house, put it out in the trash? (Int.1 at 22.)

Jay says that after ditching Hae's car,

I get out of [Adnan's] car, I go in my house, Jenny calls me back, I tell her I need, I need to talk to her, um, its real important. And for her to come and get me. She comes right over, um, I take my clothes from that day, I put them in a plastic bag. Um, I go out to to the car with Jen. I tell her what happened. She ah, she says to me urn, she really can't believe it, and I tell her stay away from him. And I tell her if I get locked up that she'll, she'll be the one person that really knew that I didn't Hae. (Int.2 at 39.)

Jay says that Jenn picked him up at his house, and then took him to the dumpster at the "F & M, the one behind the ah, F & M inaudible on Route 40," where he threw away "[a]ll [his] clothes, it was ah, they were in a giant plastic bag" (Int.2 at 41). However, Jay "think[s] [he] may had held on to [his] boots until the day after" ( id.).

So while Jay and Jenn agree that Jay threw his boots away on the 14th, Jay and Jenn disagree on just about everything else.
Stephanie's Story:
Stephanie says that she did not speak to Jay until 11:30 p.m. on January 13th. This does not match Jay and Jenn claims they went to Stephanie's at 8:30-9:30 p.m. that night.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
The 9:01 p.m. call to Nisha strongly suggests that Adnan, and not Jay, had the phone at this time. But the call is also made from L651 - the same tower covering Adnan's mosque and home. Although Adnan's cell phone spent the previous two hours in Leakin Park and along Route 40, the only calls made during that time were to Jenn's pager. Not a single call was made to one of Adnan's contacts, which is consistent with the phone not being in his possession during that time.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Once again, the records support a finding that (1) Adnan has his phone, as Jay would have no reason to call Krista, and (2) Adnan was at home, as shown by the tower the call connected through.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Call 26.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26 and 27.

Explanatory Note: This call is another good example of a call routed through a cell tower outside of its normal range. There is no reason to believe - regardless of which witness's testimony is accepted - that Adnan was anywhere other than at his home at this time, or that he was out somewhere moving around at 10:02 p.m. at night. Adnan was almost certainly at home, and, by chance, his call to Yaser was routed through the tower directly south (L698), rather than through the tower that calls made from Adnan's home are most commonly routed through (L651).
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-28.
What the Cell Phone Records Show:
Same as Calls 26-29.

-Susan

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Edit, 1/17/2015: In the two months since this post was written, substantially more evidence concerning the events of January 13, 1999, has been released. As a result, I have completely revised my opinion on numerous matters discussed herein. This post has therefore been updated to add new and more accurate maps.

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