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May is a sweetheart whose had her heart stamped on.....

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May is a sweetheart whose had her heart stamped on.....

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Would we judge Nora the same way if she was a man.... #feminism #because Emma Watson told me so

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Nora is a bitch not may? Bc she left her childrens

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A rare picture of newland and ollenska. Take that may

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Love, Alex

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Even in Ernest lol

EVERYONE IS GROSS, but they are still awesome

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I disliked everything

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Does the lack of subtlety of the theme of Earnest lead people to overlook It's importance? Is there more to the play than its overt humor suggests?

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AP Lit is LIIIITTTT

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Everyone is afraid of society even when archer gets the opp. To see Ellen again society still has a hold on him in the German ending the same could be said of Nora

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Literal in "Ernest", but we see people being influenced by expectations or norms in both "Innocence" and "A Doll's House". Especially in Innocence, people act a certain way in the public eye because they are expected to. Helmer is also influenced by expectations, it changes the way he treats his wife.

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Is that bc they dumb, or trained to be dumb?

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smells nice

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Is it better to walk away or stay and endure?

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Is it better to walk away or stay and endure?

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Does money control people's actions in each of these three stories?

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Is it just me or is it so obviously satirical that it would be offensive? If someone made fun of my way of life in such an outright way, I think I would be hurt.

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POV is important - in Doll's House, it mainly follows Norah's POV and is shown as much more serious, problematic, and at times sad. TIOBE on the other hand is mostly from the men's POV and is much more comedic (even though it's essentially satire about society). Age of Innocence is kind of in the middle - shows mostly Newland but also kind of Olenska; has elements of satire/comedy/amused tone but is also sad and shows misfortune

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Giving in to convention and sacrificing your own happiness for the sake of your family vs submitting to society and giving up your passions ... both deal with this kind of a theme but have opposite endings. mucho interesting

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Real intelligence vs. Artificial Intelligence

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Real intelligence vs. Artificial Intelligence

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None of the wealthy in the importance of being earnest is truly intellectual

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Real views of mans perspective of marriage is revealed

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Just saying.

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In importance of being earnest, they reveal the views of their society but make the audience laugh about them: Oscar Wilde does this to make society laugh at themselves without them realizing it (makes them question their society)

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She sacrifices her essential self for the sake of her family, not the Family

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nora left her husband in a oh snap moment #feminism

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Mother like Nora. This divide is very important to the Victorian age society

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Marriage in AOI not for love, for social advancement or money or societal acceptance

In IOBE, it's about love but the love they have is so shallow-- they hardly know each other and their relationships are based on lies, with Gwendolyn and Cecily literally willing to marry anyone, and basing their love entirely on names, while lady bracknell suddenly says Cecily is ok for algernon when she finds out Cecily is rich

In dolls house, marriage was meant to be love, but it turned into oppression, as Nora thought attention equated love and that being played with and being an amusement was what she wanted, because that was the love she'd known and shown all her life

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Frowned upon for not following the rules 

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Frowned upon for not following the rules 

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Society pressures woman to follow a certain rule of conduct

Seen in the ADH and Age of Innocene and IOBE

Proper during diner and gatherings, language, and speech

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In the heat of the moment the characters reveal their true colors, express true emotion

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This is more literal in "Ernest", where the characters are literally pretending to be other people.

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Society is fake and everyone in it is stupid drones of society

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who is acting truthfully upon their real emotions and who is lying to themselves and others to fit in?

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what would you say age/earnest/adh is? comedy/drama/both?

what does it have to do with the fact that they're all victorian works/take place in victorian era

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Afraid husband will find out about money problems

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why doesnt he love me?

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Men shield women from the real problems of society

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The endings of a dolls house and the age of innocence are similar in the sense that they both include someone walking away from issues etc

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All of them convey similar issues in different tones

AOI- a bit sad, nostalgic, sometimes satirical, in some ways condescending/amused

TIOBE- very satirical/sarcastic/comedic

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Bunburying is used to escape reality/chains of their society

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Roses are red

Violets are blue

Society is a bitch and so are u

From archer to may

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Stagnancy is the common to all these works, and the only difference is how they authors/characters interpret it

For women it is a tragedy because are suffocated, but for men it is a comedy be they are free and have nothing to do

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I like the talk about settings. No matter the area or the time period, the same Victorian ideals remain.

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worried about influencing her children

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all of them are victorian

significance?

values of victorian life

how does it compare/contrast with our world

what questions does it bring with gender roles/obligations/ignorance/society

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This came up when we were talking about comedy vs tragedy the other day. Even though The Age of Innocence and A Doll's House both seem to be very tragic, they both include satiric elects when they talk about society and its problems, which are a form of humor. Additionally, moments of ADH are extremely funny like with the macaroons.

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All three works have a sort of satirical element/tone to them - you can tell that the authors are critical of society at the time ... just like we talked about Wharton doing, they include frivolous details and focus on almost silly things to highlight a sort of disdain for the characters they write about

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there are limits to society and having money/status which creates a personal conflict and limits the happiness of their lives. Basically they want to do certain things but society holds them back.

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German ending of doll's house and iobe show society's need for everything to fall into place and end perfectly

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German ending- shows what is expected, justifies the oppressive lifestyle, works to suppress people's feelings that go against this lifestyle

Regular ending- forces people to see a contrast to that lifestyle, shocking/outrageous for that time period

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Third party perspective gives insight into society's ignorance. It's ironic in the importance of being earnest that people laugh at things that were actually important in their society.

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Entire world. Everything has a place and a role in society similar to the way in which the world runs today. The elite wealthy in the Age of innocence do not correspond with poor, similar to today's world. The same is shown in the importance of being earnest, where the man servants are treated with utter disrespect. The nanny in a dolls house is also horribly treated and even though she is also a

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Women in 1890s Societies in Different Countries

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Women in 1890s Societies in Different Countries

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Germany - Nora

England - Gwendolyn & Cecily

America - May & Ellen

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Age of Innocence and a Doll's House have similar societal views: marriage, fashion, parties

Love, kyri

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Hypocrisy-- class is defining, problems are so slight that they become large. It's all about where you live, how you dress. There are fashions controlling how to appropriately be fashionable. It's a very intricate and minutely controlling society in which it is actually time-consuming to stay afloat

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prevalent in all three works; there are levels of ignorance for all of the characters of their surrounding societies and/or characters

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Does't want to be her husband's possession

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USA v. Europe. Lots of comparison in Age of Innocence. Characters recognize location and what effect that has in Earnest

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I think that the age of innocence and the importance of being earnest similarity use sarcasm in order to exploit societal flaws in regards to marriage etc. Subtle humor and sarcasm is the driving force behind conveying this

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Everyone has their own obligation and responsibility to society. It is nothing of dire importance most of the time but to them it is the

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Idea of sacrificing one's own identity in order to fulfill the role that's expected of them (esp. Age of Innocence & Doll's House)

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Whose fault is it.

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the oppression of the standards / status VS personal emotion

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Age of innocence and adh are similar with their aspect of societal control and the roles people fill. But adh shows the possibility of escape while archer is stuck. But leaving comes with an immense sacrifice that archer was not capable of.

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Archer, like Nora, is also living in a kind of doll's house where life never really moves forward-it's stagnant

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Age of Innocence and A Doll's House both speak to the oppression felt by people in relationships, especially marriages that occurred too young or were arranged for societal reasons.

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Women in 1890s Societies Around the World

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Women in 1890s Societies Around the World

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Nora - in Germany

Cecily & Gwendolyn - in England

May & Ellen - in Amer

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society's

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The ending of the importance of being Ernest and the German ending of a dolls house both show everyone ending up with who they are supposed to (and are assumed to be happy). Both Isben's original ending and wharton's ending go against the expected ideals of the time period. The difference between these two defineant endings is that Wharton wrote hers many years after this time period had passed whereas Isben's original ending was created right in the heart of the Victorian era - and therefore had a more shocking impact with the audience

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Oppression of both women and men

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