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I like Nathan's mom; "two sides to a pancake" is an awesome quote of parental wisdom

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I believe that truth is based on perspective. Everyone sees something a different way and is subjective to what the person believes in.

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I think there are objective truths. Like don't run with scissors, everyone should follow that truth no matter what

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Ben you better chill with that

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I agree with Alan that books are made to teach us lessons in life. The underlying message of a story is what gives the book value.

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Good point Jeremiah

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Their is always a moral to the story, and I don't think there is a moral to a nonfiction story.. it is more like an example of a lesson the author is trying to teach

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Unless it is scientific fact, truth can differ

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I disagree with Alexis scientific fact is constantly being changed and each time their is a breakthrough our whole perspective change

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Bending the truth for a greater impact is a dangerous game. If you bend it too little, it ends up being a petty lie. Bend it too much, and you've lost the original meaning/story.

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We all have our own personal truths that are different, which is why truth is a matter of perspective.

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wym @alexis

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"There are two sides to every pancake" -Nathan's Mom

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That is a good point- the truth can be "bent" not only how it is seen, but how it is heard through a story

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So some of us in physics today learned that time was relative. Using this same terminology, is truth relative?

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very good life lesson

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Yeah i agree with Jenna, in the end all that really matters is not the authenticity, its the meaning behind that should hold more value to the reader.

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Truth is based on experience, and how people perceive the world around them. People's experiences influence their opinions and perspectives, which directs their actions and behavior towards others

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i think that all 3 novels had different stories and meanings within them, but they all had 1 main meaning

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This can relate to the overall theme of a unit we had earlier this year being "Truth is a matter of perspective," because these stories while may have some nonfictional elements, mostly contain fictional elements to derive the meaning behind, sometimes real life isn't exciting or eventful enough to make a book attractive to read, which is why fiction  is used throughout many of them.

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i really like Jennas point about how it really helps to bring out the way different people felt about war and helps the readers to connect

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I don't think it matters on whether a fiction or non-fiction book is better, it matters on the message it tells.

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that are reading*

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I agree with Rohan, everyone has their own version of the truth and it affects how people behave because that person is going off of what they believe.

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I agree with Nathan on how fictional elements are incorporated in his stories for people who have not been in the war. He wants the stories he tells to be truly relatable.

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I would say truth is relative, the truth comes in many forms and can be interpreted many different ways

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Facts do not matter as much as the message does with however it is told.

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The problem I have with the "story truth" in a nonfiction story is that it disregards the fact that it being real grounds it in authenticity

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Rohan brings up a good point as we all hold our own judgement and different perspectives.

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Like in the movie big fish, the father tells tales of his life, but he exaggerates what happened to him. He says a person was like 12 feet to say he was really maybe 6. People exaggerate what happens to them with each story they tell. The story gets "Bent" like they said

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There is purpose behind the author's writing: O'Brien's purpose was to prove that there are different parts to the "truth"

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No one is ever going to agree on the real truth, therefore I think truth is definitely a matter of perspective

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I'll disagree with Lexis, there can be so much more to a story that makes it important other than why it is how it is, or what lesson it teaches.

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Yes David. Glad he cleared things up

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I agree with Rohan, people can emphasize with non fiction stories which often influences people to believe in the values displayed in the book

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I disagree with Rohan because the book 13 reasons why connected with a lot of people, books like harry potter are mainly for entertainment

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I would agree with David that we can learn something new from stories that we didn't think of before.

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I agree with Jenna, Tim O'Brien's story gives insight into his experiences, even if it all wasn't true. The value of his story was rooted in the emotions and messages conveyed, rather than the "happening truth."

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I agree that "bending" the story gives the message more impact to the reader

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I think that Tim O'Brien uses these different perspectives to convey the emotional truths of each individual. Tim wanted show a more holistic representation of war, and he used different perspectives to show different truths.

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i agree with Nathan how Tim O'Brien incorporated fictional elements into his story in order to keep the story interesting to the audience who have not experienced war

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that's also interesting: exaggerating something to make up for what's lost in the medium of story telling. How could that be done in a fictitious story? As opposed to a retelling of a real one like TTTC?

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I agree with David, he brought up a great point that being almost all stories are not true, but they yield significant meaning which could only be conveyed with a fictional story.

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I don't necessarily agree with Lexis, although a fiction story has more space to use regarding information or ways to convey the message. That doesn't exactly mean that that it's easier to convey the message. A real event can tell a message just as well and sometimes even better than a fiction story due to it being relatable.

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I think that Rohan makes a great point of how sometimes the whole truth is more relatable than story truth. Like how our school brings in people our age who struggled with drugs to try to discourage drug use, sometimes stories require good real life examples to allow people to truly connect with the story and understand the author.

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I think that most of the time non fiction books have a bigger impact based on the value of the story because the audience knows that it is a true story.

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i think a fictional story can have more meaning than a non fictional story, it just depends on the message the story is trying to tell

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All stories have story truth, but that doesn't mean that the story is unauthentic. It's what's behind the story that makes it authentic, not necessarily the physical story

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David brings up an interesting point about authenticity from pure story telling

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I feel like stories don't have to be authentic and still convey a message. This can be seen in the Shakespearean play, Taming of the Shrew, with how Petruchio was trying to tame Kate. This play was fictional, but through mockery, Shakespeare was able to convey his views on gender roles.

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I agree with Lexis- besides the "truth" of a story, the significance is why it is a story and what the lesson of the story is

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To answer Jenna's question I believe a fake story can bring more value than a non-fiction one I believe that's the reason Tim O'Brien writes the book the way he does

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I would say that every book we have read this year has an underlying message to it.

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I agree with Rohan how he says that stories should be understandable so it makes the person read it and find interesting

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Alan that book was confusing to read

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relatable @ben

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The story truth is often times more effective of a method to relay a message because of the fact that the author can mold it to represent whatever side of the story he wants, and can make it more relatable to the reader, making it more of an appeal to emotion.

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I think that stories don't always have to have a message, I mean I'm pretty sure the book Cujo wasn't trying to deliver a message aside from the fact that murderous dogs are not very nice to play with on a hot summer day in a broken car.

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No i'm not @Zohaib

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You see guys, this is pure authenticity. Doofenshmirtz completely means to "set fire to the sun" when he says it. ???

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Jeremiah are you hinting towards fake news?

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I don't think it matters if it is fiction or non-fiction as long as long as there is a meaning.

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yeah me too brandon

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I agree with David, because many stories must be changed in order to convey the message and meaning. In TTTC, Tim had to alter his story in order to convey the emotions that he felt, so that the reader could experience them accurately also.

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I think that all stories are rooted in authentic experiences, but the actual authenticity is not necessarily the most important part, as longs as the ability to translate the experience to the reader is there.

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I agree with Jenna and I think that the story truth is often times more meaningful because it allows people to be  able to picture it and put themselves in that same situation.

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I agree with Jenna that the value of the story is same as the message that the author is trying to convey. It does not matter if the story is fiction or not as long as the message is getting across.

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I believe that the value of a story is in the lessons that it teaches and the feelings and emotions it brings out in the reader

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I agree with Jenna, the story doesnt necessarily need to be true, if in the end it makes a good point and sheds light on a particular situation.

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I agree with Jenna and that the value of a story is rooted in the message it conveys. This can be seen in The Things They Carried, “by telling stories, you objectify your own experience. You separate it from yourself. You pin down certain truths. You make up others” (O’Brien 152).

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I agree with Jenna's point where it does not matter the size of the story and that the level of reading doesn't disregard that the story has a moral meaning.

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fiction isn't not authentic, if a fictitious story sells itself as such, it's completely authentic. Which is why I think that authenticity is rather important for a typical and traditional enjoyment experience of a story

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you can do it Big Al

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I agree with Jenna, I think there can still be value in fiction based on the themes and messages portrayed. Also, sometimes a story must be manipulated in order to convey the message accurately

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I agree with Jenna, I think that values still relate to us even if the story in fiction.

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I believe that the value in the story is it's ability to represent emotions, and so it can be inauthentic, but also long is it properly conveys the emotional truth, it is a valuable story.

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I'd say that although a story may be fiction, the morals it presents can be just as authentic as if it was a non-fiction story.

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I agree with Jenna that stories may be fictional but it can have a message behind the story to teach people.

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The things they carried showed that the value of a story is not rooted in its authenticity. Sometimes you must change a story in order to successfully get your point across. Sometimes "story truth" holds more value than "happening truth"

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I think that Frankenstein is authentic because it comes from Mary Shelley, who is a mother and had those fears and pressures of becoming a parent and taking on life. In Frankenstein Victor struggled with the responsibility of taking on life, making the story authentic.

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i believe in you

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i like Rohans point where it helps to connect to the people ready it

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O'Brien was looking at the "story truth" vs the "happening truth." When something happened within a war, such as a soldier dying, the truth was at many times exaggerated. You tell the story once, and you later add one little detail which exaggerates the story over time.

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I agree with Rohan as this creates sympathy or empathy.

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I agree with Jenna some of the most fictional books have the most significant message behind

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i agree with how it does not matter whether a story fiction or non fiction because if a story still teaches values and lessons then its authenticity does not matter

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I say ambition drives human behavior, because their feelings slowly change their character

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I looked at the question by looking at the story's realism how plausible it is. For example Taming in the shrew, Macbeth, and Frankenstein are all plausible stories that could or could of happened

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I think human behavior drives ambition because ambitious people typically have common behavior characteristics which displays how certain behavioral traits lead to ambition.

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I think they can both effect each other at the same time.

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To answer your question Rohan I believe that ambition drives human behavior because it's the individuals want that can shape their life in this picture wither they want to become rich or want a role in life.

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Zohaib, that's called a character trait.

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Is human behavior driven by ambition or is ambition driven by human behavior?

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I also think Ambition really drives human behavior, because just as Macbeth and Victor, ambition really changed their identity.

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I think that irresponsibility promotes recklessness which can be present in the way that Victor continued to pursue his creation of the monster as his judgement began to become clouded and he was not able to think correctly.

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As we can see in Frankenstein, It is important to be responsible for your actions because it helps build your character and protect others from being hurt. If one leaves their responsibility, others may have to pay the cost for it.

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Well they effect each other because emotion can cause human drives and human drives cause emotion

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Yes Big Al

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I agree with Mr. Chris Morris here, because The Taming of the Shrew are more into the basis of human character and behavior, which is evident on the disguises and the goals of the characters.