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Is it unfair to judge people and actions in the past by the standards of today?

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Is it unfair to judge people and actions in the past by the standards of today?

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I don’t think it’s necessarily unfair, because people in the past still had an idea of what’s moral/ethical and what’s not. This is demonstrated through the framers of the constitution’s decision to exclude the word “slavery” from the constitution while continuing it, because they knew it was wrong. - Annick H

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because different people are benefited or hurt differently. Harrison 

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because different people are benefited or hurt differently. Harrison 

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change doesnt always extend to everyone, as in discrimination is still prominent within systems and people are still excluded from law changes. orli

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change doesnt always extend to everyone, as in discrimination is still prominent within systems and people are still excluded from law changes. orli

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Some people react differently and have different ways of income. With a radical change some businesses my go out of business.

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Different groups of people had different places in a social hierarchy, meaning not everyone would benefit as much from a revolution as another.

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equal representation in the government for every citizen, balance between the government and the public. orli

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equal representation in the government for every citizen, balance between the government and the public. orli

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Hierarchies were established in the very beginning, so a big change for one person may not be the same for others. For instance, while men are more likely to benefit from the democratic government than enslaved people because they actually have the right to vote. - Annick H

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Some people do not like change, especially when it would not benefit them. (White men not wanting to change the status of minorities and their rights)

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That everyone must have the same rights. This is fundamental to a constitution democracy.

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One that reflects Enlightenment values - popular sovereignty, consent of the governed, natural rights. These are all important because they give power to the people and ensure that monarchy is avoided. - Annick H

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it created a free democratic society for only white men and privileged people who often owned property, discluded minorities. orli

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it created a free democratic society for only white men and privileged people who often owned property, discluded minorities. orli

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change does not always affect people the same for example certain marginalized groups can be left out of change like enslaved people/ blacks, natives, and women being left out of the constitution-siena

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Revolutinary change can be good and bad but it doesnt apply to all,Some people have more power than others. Hierarchy bacially and A Split or conflicting views - One wins the other looses, Slavery which later leads to the civil war. Differering opinions on the objective or goal, So many people had so many ideas they almost always conflcited.

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Allowing everyone to vote, and to be the "boss" of the government. -rose

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Peoples rights and liberties protected by the government (john locke ideas of natural rights)

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heavily inspired by the ideas coming from philosophers during the enlightenment period. orli

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heavily inspired by the ideas coming from philosophers during the enlightenment period. orli

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It established a strong democracy which is shown through the government representation - the people are able to vote for who represents them (house of representatives, senate, president - electoral and popular vote). However, this freedom was limited - Enslaved people were excluded from the right to vote. - Annick H

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It was founded on the idea of freedom and equality, but that "equality" was a lie that the framers did not expect to extend to all citizens

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It was founded on the idea of freedom and equality, but that "equality" was a lie that the framers did not expect to extend to all citizens

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equality for all and making sure checks and balances are in place so the gov does not corrupt its self and it has limits on its power-malachi

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The US Constitution did not create a free and democratic society because not everyone was granted equal rights and representation. Black people and women were still treated in traditional and oppressive ways. Although, poor white people did move up the social classes they still did not have the ability to vote as only rich white men could. -Marcus

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If we see groups of people that we are a part of being oppressed, there is something evoked inside of you that crucially illustrates the ancestral trauma passed on throughout generations. Having this relationship to these groups creates a special relationship to these events, and often makes you more passionate about such things occurring throughout the course of time. Revolutionary actions that free yet enslave millions within one singular country is alot of peoples history, no one was not affected by the continuous decisions of the government that subsequently change the course of many lives, like the constitution, providing a promise to white men an “american dream”, while the rest were to be left in the shadows of history, forgotten. orli

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If we see groups of people that we are a part of being oppressed, there is something evoked inside of you that crucially illustrates the ancestral trauma passed on throughout generations. Having this relationship to these groups creates a special relationship to these events, and often makes you more passionate about such things occurring throughout the course of time. Revolutionary actions that free yet enslave millions within one singular country is alot of peoples history, no one was not affected by the continuous decisions of the government that subsequently change the course of many lives, like the constitution, providing a promise to white men an “american dream”, while the rest were to be left in the shadows of history, forgotten. orli

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It did really create a free and democratic society, it was only for a select few. - Carl

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To a small extent because minorities such as women and people of color were not given written rights

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Consitution followed,
Government protects the conistution
The People have a voice, ALL of them.

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the separation between the federal government and the state governments
,a bicameral house that checks each other- the senate and house of representatives
,3 different branches that separate them so they check each other so no one person has power. - judicial, legislative, and executive branches

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A way it reached an ideal was that its goal was to establish a fair government, which it achieved. they created the three branches, and made a government where they would have representation, unlike how they were governed under Britain's monarchy. - Annick H

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Different groups of people will be affected based on how they were treated before the revolution. -rose

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1. Consensual government (people agree to follow laws for natural rights)
2. Equal representation (people are discriminated against and laws are equal and accessible)
3.  Authority figures are checked (gov. figures don't have absolute power)
4. People have a say in gov. (some sort of voting system)

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One of the elements was a system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections

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Revolutionary change most impacted people who hold the power, because all of the elites were able to participate in their own government. However, the lower classes were not largely impacted by the revolutionary change because they still did not have the power to participate in their government. Furthermore, slavery was not abolished after the constitution so people who were enslaved received the same rights before the revolution and after. Revolutionary change impacted people based on the level of the social hierarchy they belonged to.

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Written with an ideal of democracy yet also written to keep groups of people in power.

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somewhat free because...
free- bill of rights gave rights to the people they did not have before, such as freedom of speech and religion and protest
free-government that has checks and balances so it protects the natural rights of people and the power is in the people and not one sole person.
not free- people were left out of the constitution like how slavery continued, the ⅗ compromise, and black and enslaved people were not able to vote.

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To a small extent, as they allowed some people to vote. A large  group of people could also run for office. -rose

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It established a new system that broke off of a monarchy but didn't provide representation for all people. It was not free. It had to adapt to become democratic.

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ideal- no taxation without representation- created a government that gave them representation through congress
lie- said freedom and “all men are created equal” but then left people out of the constitution and did not let them vote
ideal- democracy- they did have checks and balances and voting which enlisted a democratic government and not a monarchial one anymore

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Q3 Choosing specifically one historical perspective as a historian would not be valuable, as it results in the telling of a story from one eye, rather than many. For example, by using only the American colonies' perspectives to evaluate the American revolution, historians would come to the conclusion that the British were oppressive, money hungry, and a dominating monarchy. Whereas, by using the British colonies' perspectives, historians would find that American colonies were reckless, undutiful, and ungrateful for British protection and rule. When analyzing both perspectives, it could be suggested that both Americans and Britiains had strong beliefs of the topic, both being accusatory. This therefore helps historians understand the severity of the situation, along with the national pride that carried with it.

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mostly it was helping whit men with land or money and it was only democratic for them overall compared to others

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It was inspired by the enlightenment but didn't apply those ideals to all types of people. It was somewhat both.

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Some people only push for change that benefits them because of the trait of greed and selfishness in humans. Therefore, people ensure that they are the top of the hierarchy by pushing down others. -Marcus

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13 -no we have a moral obligation to not ignore it and instead use it, as if we ignore evidence that shows another side a whole part of history is left out and we don't see the true effects history had on some people.
like if we look at the revolution and leave out slavery we don't see that a whole group of people was left out of that so-called “freedom” and “all men are created equal” the constitution and revolution were said to have given us.

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It wrote that the constitution was the main document and had to be protected
It secured Freedom for certain people not alls
It protected people from the government. It didnt do all its job.

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In a revolution, not all groups receive liberation and freedom, and previously oppressed minorities, can continue to be oppressed under new nations -terefech

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I think this does not really relate to TOK. We also have not discussed history to TOK, so I fail to see the relation. - Carl

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The fundamental elements of a constitutional democracy are following a constitution as the main legal document that all laws and government structure are based off of. In addition, people having the right to elect their own leaders and choose who represents them in government is significant as well as the division of government and the right of the government to balance their power. All of these three fundamental ideas contribute to a constitutional democracy.

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becuase some people get power and some dont- malachi

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Q4. Yes, of course. Historians are influenced by just existing, their entire upbringing can affect how they see things and consequently what research they expose themselves to, and what research they choose to put out.

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The US constitution only benefited white men who owned land and slaves while it was creating a democratic society

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The US constitution was based on the ideal that all people were equalTHey did not include Black people or minorities

They didnt secure rights for women

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The American dream is a lie, and what the country was built off. This was not true at the time, and isn't very true now. Not everyone was able to live out their "dream". -rose

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to some extent bc it made people free but only a select few-malachi

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The social status/ who you are, impacts human societies as not all people may have the same rights.

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There is a system of voting where people are able to have a say in who is in power. A government where power is orderly and shared. Lastly, peoples natural rights are protected by the government. -Marcus

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Popular sovereignty
Checks and Balances
limited power
- Terefech

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Gov is limited by legal and institutional means.

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its was based off of enlightenment but doesnt apply to all people

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Only using the perspective of the colonists, or people in power, to figure out what happened during the Revolution and other parts of history. As it is probably very biased. -rose

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The US Constitution created a somewhat free and democratic society because on the one hand, the government did not grant voting rights to many minorities and majority of people and the electoral college and other constitutional compromises kept power from the public and limited democracy. However, on the other hand, people gained the power and freedom to a democratic government and to have autonomy over their political systems.

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It somewhat created a free and democratic society

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It somewhat created a free and democratic society

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While democracy was established minorities still didn't have full rights or representation

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the growth and diffusion of the population based on change would alter many aspects of societies.  

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the growth and diffusion of the population based on change would alter many aspects of societies.  

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Only white males who owned property really had a democratic society therefore not very democratic and free

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They used ideals to hook people in and believe but they were lies for most people.

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People, based on the amount of power that society gives them, have different amounts of power and things they can do in the country, including rights, what they can own, etc. - June

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"All men are created equal" was an ideal pushed by American founders to make sure all had equal rights. In reality, this was a lie because rich white men had more rights and freedoms than everyone else. Women and people of color were in fact not created equal.- Marcus

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the goal of history is to find the truth but some people try and hide certain details to make them selves look better

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1: I think that truth and the way you analyze to get to that conclusion is the goal. It allows you to expand your thinking and learn more.

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The status of minorities didn't change under the new constitution, and those of power were still white, rich, landowning men. - Terefech

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Very low extent because only white men who owned property had rights, including the fact that they were enfranchised.

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equal opportunity as well as representation. 

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equal opportunity as well as representation. 

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- reem

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It was a lie to us now but back then it was accepted and understood, luckily we have evolved as people since then. - Carl

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Value judgments should be avoided while writing about history because in reality they don't display the full story. For example, founding fathers like George Washington is hailed as a hero but has done atrocious things like owning slaves.  Overall value judgments should be avoided because history is a bigger picture than just good and bad, so representing it with one word would not do it justice. -Marcus

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The US founding was based on an ideal because the foundation of the US was mainly built on Enlightenment values such as natural rights and limited government authority, and they believed in the right to democracy and self govern themselves free from oppression. However, the US claimed to be founded for the purpose of equality and freedom, but they still owned slaves and oppressed many minorities.

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-rrem

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Well I can say that some people like to be in the same place they were or liked the rules at the time but others didn't.

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Yael: Is it unfair to judge people and actions in the past by the standards of today?

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Yael: Is it unfair to judge people and actions in the past by the standards of today?

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It is not unfair to judge people and actions in the past by the standards of today, because even though we can recognize that people were held to a different standard in the past, their actions may still not be morally correct. Owning enslaved people was a common norm at the time of the Revolutionary War, and it was not a standard that anyone questioned at the time or thought was morally wrong. However, 200 years later we recognize that slavery was unjust and terrible. When studying that time period, we can acknowledge that owning slaves was normal at the time while still condemning society for supporting slavery and making that a norm.

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A constitution needs to have a form of voting, whether it is representative with the people voting on representatives which pass legislation, or direct with the people directly voting on legislation and leaders.

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Revolutionary change in human societies affect people differently because different revolutions are lead by different types of people which effect who reaps the benefits of the revolution.

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i would say heavily because the wanted and preached for freedom of speech,everyone having  natural rights,etc, yet when it came to slavery they still kept it showing that they were not actually doing what they said they were when it came to certain people