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Pogchamp

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#rippiggy

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pogchamp

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lollll......

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can we have a moment of silence for our beloved friend Piggy. Please

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And the level of academic discussion has descended . . . . just like life on the island.

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Poggers

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#Piggy4President2020

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Another example of foreshadowing is when simon and ralph are talking, simon think that ralph will get rescued

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me too

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Piggy for President!

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piggy died

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Im kinda hungry now.

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why

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poggers?

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Sam - Good point. Ralph never surrenders that.

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Pog

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Keira - Yeah, big fire and rocks . .  it comes full circle

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I think that he foreshadowed Ralph saying that he was in charge because every time he would go to the other group he always tried to say that he was the chief and had been voted so they should listen to him.

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Lots of good catches so far. All valid

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I think there was foreshadowing when we see in the beginning the kids recklessly starting a huge fire and pushing boulders off the mountain and that how the story kinda ended and how they were rescued

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One instance of foreshadowing I can think of is when they were pretending a littlun was a pig in the circle, then later on they actually killed Simon in the circle.

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The instance when everyone left ralph to join Jack, but they didn't show ralph that when they had a meeting and he asked everyone where they liked to stay and they all said Ralph.

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An instance of foreshadowing I think of is the game they kept playing. One game roger got hurt, and another game Ralph almost died, and another game Simon was killed. So this was foreshadowing the big fight against Jack and Ralph. -Ella H

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when they killed simon I knew something was going to begin like they will start to kill others now

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Pushing boulders led to Piggys death and they pushed boulders a lot in the story before the death

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when the boys first started doing the chant for fun in a way it foreshadows how savage they will turn -becca

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Jack being so driven to hunt a pig then ends up killing Piggy with a rock. -Griffin

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I saw that before piggy was killed, when they were walking up to where jack was, piggy asked ralph if he was safe, because there was a cliff. Right after this he was pushed off of the cliff and killed.

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When Roger threw rocks at the boys at the beach, because eventually Piggy got crushed by one :( -Peyton

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Brady B  & Rooster - Those make sense

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when they climb the mountains they used to push the rocks down

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An example of foreshadowing in the story would be the ship passing the first time because it shows us the way that they will get rescued

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I can only think of Ralph going home and wishing  that piggy made it as well -sean

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One example of foreshadowing is Ralph and Jack's first encounter, it is obvious that there is tension as soon as they see each other

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when roger was throwing rocks at the kids  and pushing boulders over the mountain side

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The biggest one I can think of is when we talked about the boys pushing rocks off of the cliff. This foreshadowed Piggy's death by throwing the rocks off and killing him

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Sudip - How so?

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throwing rocks

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Piggys dont live long

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Let Piggy eat

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Last question: Foreshadowing: Golding includes a lot of it. What instances of foreshadowing can you think of?

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Let Piggy eat

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poor piggy just wanted food :(

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Poor Piggy.

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What I found jarring was this: In my mind, Jack had become a monster. The chief. An intimidating figure. Now he is reduced to a little boy. Such a powerful shift in perspective.

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Can we get a L in the chat for piggy

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Jack was the only character with red hair. He stole Piggy's specs which he had in his hand and he also was wearing a black cap which he was wearing at the start.  Thats why this little boy was Jack. - Griffin

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OK, so quite a few of you have correctly identified that the little boy is Jack. He had red hair. It's only mentioned when we first meet him. Golding does not remind us that he is a ginger. He wore a black cap. And he is the only who took possession of Piggy's specs.

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Rip Piggy

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rip piggy

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rip piggy

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It was jack because you could tell that he wanted to step forward and argue with ralph for the leadership position that he wanted. Also at the beginning of the book Im pretty sure it said he had red hair.

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Rip Piggy

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I suppose Golding wrote it this way to portray that Ralph really was more of noble leader and took responsibility for what happens even though it was actually more of jacks fault.

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Poor piggy i hope he ate well before he died.

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You know it's Jack because of the red hair and the glasses because in the previous chapter Jack had stolen the glasses to start a fire.

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Jack might of been the one in charge but Ralph knew that he should not be -sean

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I think that Ralph had more confidence speaking up knowing that he wasnt the one that caused the fire on the island and he wasn't the one trying to kill everyone out of hatred. Jack  started more conflicts which i think made him feel more guilty.  -Ella H

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we know that it is jack because he is holding the specs that are used to start the fire and he was the one to start the fire. Also he would be the only one to step up and think about saying he was actually in charge.

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I think that it is Ralph since he was friends with Piggy and he is trying to remember him with his spectacles

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The little boy is jack and i was confused on why now he is changing his mind after he turned everyone savage and i thought it was ironic how he switched back to being normal so fast. He had been fighting ralph for the title for so long and it was surprising for him to just give it up so fast. -becca

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I think this character is Jack because he took the broken spectacles from Piggy after he died- kale

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Its jack because he was the one who took the specticles from piggy and also he is painted on the face.

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his red hair and the cap he wore that the same thing all the boys were wearing when they met Ralph and PIggy

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I believe the character was Roger or Jack, because wasn't Roger also part of the choir? Plus they both went out to steal Piggy's glasses -Peyton

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Anonymous who is proud of Jack . .  that seems like a stretch. He's been a dictator set on killing his former friend. Seems like some other emotion besides generosity and sharing might be at play here.

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It was Jack and I was surprised he did not say anything. I feel like Jack is someone to boss around people his age but stay silent when adults are around.

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sean-

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When he said he was chief... I can understand why everyone was shocked but I did not think that he was going to let Jack say that he was chief

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Yes I did have a similar response. I was surprised that for once Jack didn't have something to say or didn't even try to correct Ralph that he's not the leader. You know it was jack becuase he's the one who had piggy's glasses.

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I was more surprised by the fact that the author described him wearing the choir outfit as he did at the beginning of the book. But back to the main point, this was surprising based on the fact that prior to this event, Jack did everything that he could to prove to the others that he was the true chief, but in this instance, he simply backed down, it was very surprising to read.

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Some of you are saying that this little boy is Jack. Prove it. What's your evidence?

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i'm proud of jack for giving someone else a chance instead of him being selfish and doing it himself

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Jack was faced with reality and he almost stepped down like he did in the beginning of the book when they were more civilized. -Ella H

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i was really surprised because jack didn't speak up or claim himself as the leader he just kinda stood back and did take responsibility for what he caused

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It was clearly Jack based on the context  clues. I can understand why he did this though. He clearly had just been hit with the realization that Ralph was right, they were to be saved because of a fire. He finally understood that Ralph was right all along.

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Yes this boy is jack and I did have the same response almost. I was surprisd that jack after doing all that didn't really step in after the officer said who is in charge. I don't get why he did all that then when he didn't want it as bad as ralph.

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So, let's start here: Golding has given us enough clues that we can figure out who this little boy is. Start making your educated guesses. It is not Piggy. Sadly, he is still dead.

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I believe this boy is Jack because he was the one who started the fire that is why he had the glasses in his hands. I understand that he was going to say that he was the leader, but then stopped because he realized that it was no longer important and acted civil. I think that this is because he realizes that they are rescued.

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I did have a similar reaction because he had not acted this way the whole book. He always wanted to be the leader until the grownups showed up. The character was Jack. -Griffin

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I very surprised that Jack just stood there. He could've just said no I was the leader, he's not. But he just stood there. So good for Jack to let Ralph have this one. -Peyton

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I interpret this as the character being piggy, mostly because of the spectacles, we know from the book that piggy wore spectacles but they ended up breaking in the book but they still used them to make fires

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Justin / Rooster - Yeah, Jack's silence surprises me.