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I agree with Camden, chopin uses her female characters to express her attitude toward society and women's rights suring the time she lived. She represents women as helpless to the iron grip societal views have on them. shows men as dogs who only need a housemaid and a sex toy to play with.

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Edna Pontellier's suicide is a triumph in societies clinch on women. It shows that even though t

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Edna Pontellier's suicide is a triumph in societies clinch on women. It shows that even though society can tell them what to do and attempt to boss them arround, women are ultimately in control of their own life and how they like to live them.

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Edna is the victim to a loveless, distant marriage and the inability to espace it without damaging her childrens' names. Robert is the victim of Edna's undying love and passion. Leonce is on the other end of this undying love for Robert and is clueless to the interaction, but is a victim to a wife who is disobedient and reckless. Alcee is the victim of an "accidental" one night stand in which Edna has no true feelings for him but he does not realize this.

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The Isolated setting on Grand Isle plays to give the reader an atmosphere of isolation and freedom from the world. When back in New Orleans, the story gives off a surrounded tone and a feeling of constraint as well as an awareness of many social boundaries that maynot have been as present on the Island, playing into the emotions of Edna and her tragic demise.

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I agree with Ace

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I agree with Ace, the title A Solitary Soul is more encompassing of Edna and the title connects with Edna as her character in the novel, being alone in her views and recklessness. While The Awakening does, as Ace also said, encompass the passage and Edna's revelation, A Solitary Soul would have given the story a more alone and empty tone to it as a women searches for love and accep

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I agree with Ace's

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Edna realizes that she has been living and married to a man that she doesn't truely love and the realization that she loves Robert and her children drives her to suicide.

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I strongly agree with James's comment on Edna's awakening. She truly becomes free of all the standards forced upon her.

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I strongly agree with Lexi's commentary to this question. Edna's awakening was one of personal growth and breaking the chains of society's oppression.

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(Emmie Summy) I agree in a way that her death could be seen as failure. Although at the same time I don't agree that she was selfish. I believe that she was so overcome by the want of freedom. That she couldn't bear her life anymore.

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I agree with what Camden is saying how The Awakening shows more of who edna is and how she evolves as a character whereas The solitary soul doesn't show how she changes.

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I strongly disagree with James' comment in which Edna's suicide was simply a tragedy. As stated in my personal comment, I feel her decision was all three of the given options. What I disagree with is how he described Edna's decision to end her life was "selfish". To be honest this actually really angers me. For my opinions of this topic are very strong and in no means should suicide be considered "selfish". When suicide occurs it is a final attempt to end one's suffering because they see this to be their only was out of their depression and suffering. I can not stress enough how much his comment angered me. Although Edna did leave behind her family, her family was content with how things were within their society as Edna was not. She was so upset and miserable in her life that she could simply no longer take it. Therefore, it is selfish to say suicide is "selfish" by means of not considering the victim's struggle and simply focusing on how her death may upset others. One being upset over a loss is not at all more important that the true struggles the victim of depression had faced.

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I agree strongly with Alyssa's comment. I believe that Edna's suicide cannot fit into one of those three categories. I like that she mentioned society's views on suicide and how no one should feel that suicide is an option especially because of other people.

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I agree with Jessica's view of the setting and the symbolism of the ocean.

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I strongly agree with Jessica's view point, it takes a more personal outlook, and the step by step references to Edna's suicide.

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I agree with Laurel that Edna symbolizes women as a whole in the 19th century who had to conform to the society.

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I agree with Camden's comment in the way that the characters were introduced to the audience. This shows the connection that Chopin had with the women that she created within the novel.

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I strongly agree with Ezra's outlook on the setting of the novel about how the secluded environment majorly impacts the characters in The Awakening.

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I agree most of all with Jessica's take on this question. While I personally do not believe that suicide is ever an answer, Jessica brings up a great point that it really was her final step in being "uncaged". Another point to bring up is that going against the social standards, as both Edna and Chopin did, would be social suicide

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I agree with Alexis' comment the most strongly.

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I agree strongly with Camden's comment. I believe that the title The Awakening played a crucial role in the indication of Edna's enlightenment, that would of not been represented with an alternate title.

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Alyssa's analysis of Edna's suicide was the most in depth in my opinion since it was not easy to categorize such an event into just one adjective, but, instead, incorporated aspects from all three categories.

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I love what Jessica said about how Edna ending her life truly is her setting herself free. The ocean represents the freedom she desired so walking into the ocean and ending her life was her way of achieving the freedom she craved.

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Edna undergoes a significant change in attitude, behavior, and overall character throughout the course of the novel, as she becomes aware of and examines the actions, depressions, and passionate tragedy's along the course of the novel.

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Edna's suicide is considered all three. She failed at being that socially accepting woman in the 19th century. while at the same time she had a triumph. She was looking for a way out because she wanted freedom and she got that just not in the best way. It was a tragedy for her family because they lost someone they loved.

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I feel as if Edna was the victim, she struggled to reach the identity she had hoped for. With the closing chapter we see that the societal morals got the best of her.

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Edna's awakening can be seen in several different lights.  She realizes that she is not the mother that she should be to her children. She also sees that her husband is not affectionate towards her like he should be. But her ultimate "awakening" is her understanding that she is not just a piece of property to be ordered around, she is her own person and will do as she wants and pleases to do.

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Edna's awakening was that conformity is not required. It stated towards the beginning of the novel that Edna had two sides: an outer self that conformed and an inner self that questioned. As the novel progressed, her innermost self began to overtake her entire being. This defiance and strive for individuality in a society where, especially for women (and married women of her status at that), not fitting the ideal mold was undesirable and concerning only fueled Edna's fire in gaining the freedom she knows is suppose to be unattainable but she aims to capture as her own.

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Edna's "awakening" is when she finally realizes that she does not have to give in and act how the normal women of the time period do. Throughout the novel the reader sees Edna's struggle with conforming to society's norms of how a woman should be. Yet, at the end of the novel Edna commits her final act of rebellion when she decides to end her own life.

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Kate Chopin is obviously able to relate to Edna in her struggles since she lived during the time period and experienced the same struggles as Edna which is exactly why she is able to write about such experiences with such detail and passion.

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The original title to the Awakening would have been A Solitary Soul, which after reading the novel, makes sense, but does not necessarily provide the symbolism and or provoke the thoughts that the title The Awakening allows. Though Edna is indeed a solitary soul, and this is shown throughout the novel, the current title allows the audience to dig deeper into the meaning behind the work as well as the characters Chopin so greatly emphasizes.

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Edna's suicide is a tragedy, because she knew that no matter how hard she tried to get away from social constraints that it wasn't going to happen. Edna believed that the only way to get out of the constraints was to kill herself. Who knows what could've happened had she kept trying. It is also tragic, because she left her husband and her kids behind.

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The original title, A Solitary Soul, depicts Edna's beliefs of how a woman should be during the 19th century while the title of The Awakening illustrates the unwavering thoughts on becoming free from societies control

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Chopin I feel sides with Edna in the novel. I believe that Chopin in her time who was writing when traditionally women didn't write that she feels for Edna. I think that Edna's voice may be Chopin's voice. Chopin also sides with the other characters who value traditional as well.

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When I see a book, I do judge them based on their cover and make assumptions on what they might be about and how they will end based on the title. When seeing the title The Awakening, I was expecting a tale of triumph and love and internal conflict that would be solved (and that all kind of happened, more or less). If the book had been called A Solitary Soul, I would have started with this negative outlook and attitude toward it. Edna does become a "solitary soul" in a sense, with wanting to be independent and really being alone even in her own marriage. However, this title does not encompass the real meaning of the novel. The title The Awakening brings more positive feeling and had me cheering for Edna along the way, waiting for the foreshadowing the title gives to be recognized and fulfilled.

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I agree with Camden in which she said Chopin could relate to the female characters from within the novel as she understands the true struggle.

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The clearest example of a victim is Edna. Her new ideas of exploring a life when a woman need not be married to be happy. Edna was a victim of being born into a time that was not yet aware of the abilities women posses that are of equal, if not greater, value to those of men. Other victims include the children who will grow up without their mother, as well as Mr. Pontellier, who, while he was poor husband, lost something...ahem...someone that he cherished.

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The main victim within the story is obviously seen as Edna. The way in which she wanted to live however didn't fit her society in the way that desired. This in all created her decision to commit suicide leaving herself the victim of her own demise. This could also include the ones that she surrounded herself with, making them the victims as well.

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The setting emphasizes the society and time period in which Edna is living in and shows contrast between what Edna wants and what society wants Edna to be.

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Like most novels, The Awakenings setting played a huge role in the story. Due to the time period one was able to further understand the true gender inequality Edna was facing. Furthermore, the readers were able to understand that Edna did not fit truly into her time period. Moreover, The Awakenings location in Louisiana displayed the southern ideals and creole culture. Overall showing that Edna did not fit in to the norm in her society. She was not a creole nor did she truly want to be. These played a huge role in how the protagonist changed throughout the story. Lastly, being at the southernmost part close to the water allowed for the symbolism of the ocean to be displayed.

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The setting plays a big role on how the story is formed. Taking place during the late 19th century, the social norms come into place. During this time period women were seen just as a wife and mother. We see this within Edna's struggle to be free within herself. The Grand Isle is also very important as it surrounds water. Which we find out is very significant to Edna but also ironic.

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I believe that Chopin's voice really shown through her female characters. Since the author lived through this time period (shown through her use of details and local color), Chopin was easily able to connect to these females and their place/struggles in the society they were living in. Her descriptions of the males were much more straightforward and direct as opposed to the females, which seemingly took form with much more indirect characterization.

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Chopin's attitude regarding the female protagonist, Edna, is almost a representation of pity. As Edna truly was ahead of her time period. She simply was not like all other women from the 19th century as she was more intelligent and independent. Her attitude seems to display a possibly passion for Chopin being a feminist. Feeling the need for equality between both men and women.

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As others have already stated the author has a different attitude towards each of the characters. Because each character has a different role in the story, Chopin may sympathize with Edna the most because she is like her. But her attitude towards Madame Ragtionlle may be admirable because she would like to be more like her.

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I view Edna as a victim because in the beginning of the story she was shown to be a " typical woman" of her time. Taking semi care of the kids and doing the house work. However throughout the story she began to feel trapped, she didn't want that life or responsibility. she wanted to be free and at that time she couldn't do that.

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The setting of Grand Isle is incredibly important. While Edna's family is locked in Louisiana, her new passions and desires remain in the isolated, and "magical" Grand Isle. The ocean is also a symbol for the never-ending, new opportunities that await Edna.

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Edna experiences her own personal awakening throughout the novel when she realizes her suppression in society and the standards she must live up to. This is grown throughout the novel and comes to a halting stop when she ultimately commits suicide.

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Yes, I think that Edna was a victim. Edna was a victim of society. She wanted freedom and independence, but she could not obtain it, because it was looked down on for a women to have independence within the society.

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Edna's suicide is a failure. She believed that that was the only option she had. She could have taken a moment to consider alternatives. Yes, society was against her but is death really the answer to what she was looking for?

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The "cut-off" society within the Grand Isle plays a major role in how the characters are shaped, and how their outcomes come to be. The creole society in which Edna lives almost helps her create her own decisions to which she becomes independent and in the end inevitably decides to take her own life because of her trapped feeling.

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The awakening that Edna experiences is internal. She realizes that, contrary to what everyone else and society tells her, she doesn't have to be submissive. She is even told to "think of the children" before she walks out in the ocean and commits suicide. She realized she loves her children, but she really "woke up" in realizing that that is what society always told her and what society wanted her to do. In the end, she made a choice for herself and finally set herself free.

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Had the book been named, A Solitary Soul I feel it would've given more insight into Edna's character right from the beginning where as The Awakening you might not realize it's meaning until after you've read the book.

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I believe that the original title A solitary Soul describes Edna's loneliness and feelings of entrapment; however it does not display the enlightenment Edna reaches. The title The Awakening displays how Edna reached a new idea of personal satisfaction.

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Edna's suicide, seemed like a escape from her life, seemed like she needed to run away from her depression, and conflicts in the story. Therefore, it is a tragedy because she believed there was no other way to escape her feelings.

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Although it may be considered ironic and even quite morbid to consider a suicide to be a triumph, that is how i perceived it. Edna realized that there was no way that she could be true to herself in a time period that so against women being their own individuals so she was able to find an "out" to her oppressive situation: death.

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I agree with Justin's point on Edna being ahead of her time. Chopin was as well. The protagonist and author were both examples of a social change to come.

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I agree with majority of everyone, the setting taken place, and the time period reflected back to the novel, and became a very important part in this book. 

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I agree with majority of everyone, the setting taken place, and the time period reflected back to the novel, and became a very important part in this book. 

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I believe this topic brings about the question as to whether Edna's suicide was intentional or not. Her death favors aspects of both tragedy and triumph in that her death took place in the same location and waters in which her baptism/rebirth occurred. Moreover, Edna's nakedness revealed both her vulnerability, freedom, and rebellion. Whether her suicide was intentional or not, she did not fight against its coming either way, which begs the question, again, as to if this swimming trip was intended to be her final one or not.

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Edna's awakening is when she realized she doesn't have to conform to the social norms.

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The setting of the story is very important because it shows how life is supposed to be in the 19th century to how Edna views life in the 19th century. Without having the setting of this time period, Edna's story would just be another tragedy rather than having a meaning.

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I am a very original person in my analysis of characters within a novel and I believe that Edna was a victim of the time period.

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Chopin has very specific attitudes towards the different characters in her story , particularly Edna. It is made very clear that what Edna seeks more than anything else is the freedom that was not granted to women during this time period. I feel as though she can personally relate to this and puts herself in Edna's shoes to display the passionate attitude she feels towards the subject.

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While in Edna's mind her suicide may be considered a triumph, I personally see it as a failure. She has this oppression that she can not do anything about. So the only way in her mind to change her circumstance is to end her suffering. The problem is she hasn't changed anything in society to make it less oppressive for others, so I guess in a way she was selfish.

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The awakening that Edna endures is seen throughout the novel. Edna finds that she can be free from the restrictions of society. This awakening provides an ideology for women's freedom of oppression.

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The original title a "Solitary Soul" does contain a more relative sense to how Edna felt alone. Although we can speculate that this wasn't the case, many women during this time period felt the same way Edna did. With this being said I like the title "The Awakening" better. It shows how Edna broke the standards and was awoke with what she knew was wrong.

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Edna's suicide cannot simply fall under one single category of being a triumph, tragedy, or failure. Instead, it is categorized by all three. Her suicide is a triumph in the sense that the decision of taking her own life was an act of rebellion or defiance against society. Suicide has practically always been frowned upon by society and said to be morally wrong. She succeeded in rebelling against society and staying true to herself. Her suicide shows signs of being a failure because she fell victim to her depression and let it overcome her. She was so tired of society and being so unhappy that she decided to end her own life. She failed in being strong. Finally, her suicide is an obvious tragedy because no one should feel the need to take their own life. Especially not because of others.

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Edna's awakening was a personal awakening. At the beginning Edna was oppressed by the social norms of the time period, forced to be a "perfect" wife. While towards the end she began to do things because she wanted to. She began to learn about real love, passion, and freedom from social barriers. This awakening was overall an enlightenment of new ideas and from oppression.

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I like what James said about the secondary characters being "hung up to dry". Chopin focuses more on Edna and her internal struggle and doesn't give many characters a large say. Chopin's attitude towards Leonce is derogatory and almost paints him as the villain or "bad guy" in Edna's story. Edna is written to be the damsel in distress that needs saving, but not by a knight in shining armor-- by herself.

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The setting of being in the 19th century plays a major role in the novel, because Edna struggles with trying to live outside the social norms and stereotypes of the 19th century. Also the setting of being on an island is important, because it shows isolation which means that they do not receive much influence from other people in the world. The ocean around the island also plays an important part, because that is ultimately where Edna's life and the novel end. The ocean also symbolizes freedom.

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The former title emphasizes the use of the caged bird as Edna's pre-awakened character. The use of the word "solitary" is interesting in showing the isolation on Grand Isle and in Edna, while the word "soul" gives a religious/spiritual aspect to Edna's social epiphany.

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I agree with majorly everyone's responses to this question. We all can agree that Edna was a victim within the novel as she was victim to her developed prolonged depression.

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I agree with Serra's comment. Chopin purposefully presented the character as a controversial character in order to allow Edna to represent the time period.

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I feel that Edna is a victim. She struggled to find herself throughout the novel by following her passions despite what society said. Society and tradition "killed" her. She believed in being your own individual rather than conforming to society's definition of an individual.

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The original name of the of the novel is fitting and can be seen by the way that the characters shape around the title. However, the alternative The Awakening allows for the audience to search for something that isn't as commonly seen and or "handed to you"
in other works of literature.

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As Emmie, Collette, and Lexi also mentioned, I agree that Edna's family could be considered victims of her neglectance and focus on her own life. To further the discussion, I believe it can also be argued that Edna's lover. Robert, could be considered a victim of the story in that his love and feelings are challenged by Edna's marital status as well as her personal status in finding herself in a society in which she does not fit in.

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I personally think, Edna was victim within the story, simply because she had a disorder that left her empty, self centered, and seemed to be always hungry for others attention, or so called conflicts.

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Edna Pontellier's suicide was a failure, triumph, and tragedy. While she failed to gain the freedom she was seeking, she triumphantly was free of the control of society. However, this decision was a tragedy for Edna's loved ones as the would be left without a wife and mother.

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Edna is a victim within the story as she cannot escape her own thoughts and opinions which lead her to a state of depression. Edna was obviously ahead of her time period and deserved more than what the 19th century had to offer. She was finally victimized and murdered by her depression as well as the oppression from her society when she chose to give in and kill herself.

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The title The Awakening makes the story come together. Since the main character has an "awakening" during the story. Where as A solitary Soul is just showing how Edna is feeling trapped.

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The original title, "A Solitary Soul" would show that Edna is alone within her society because she thinks differently and outside of the norms of the society which was not encouraged especially for women in the 19th century.

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Edna's awakening is when she realizes she doesn't have to be trapped within the social and moral standards of her time period. Edna wishes to be free more than anything. A very symbolic experience for Edna was her first time in the ocean. She saw the ocean as what she had longed for; freedom.

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While Edna is the obvious choice for the victim since she has been oppressed by society, there are a few other characters that could also be considered victims. The most outstanding choice would be Edna's children. Even though they were used to not having their mother in their lives; they are not used to not having a mother at all.

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As the others said, I too believe that Edna is the victim of her society. Her not fitting the mold of this time period's "ideal woman" and her desire for independence and individuality draw evident conflict against herself versus her strict, rigid world.

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Chopin designed Edna's character to defy societal norms so that hopefully when the story was read it would help to change societies way of thinking

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Edna's "awakening" is a personal renaissance. Her own deep passions are brought forth in her mind, no longer hiding behind social standards. Edna becomes free of the ideals that women should be bound to their husbands wishes and beliefs and nothing more, and dramatically partakes in a new lifestyle of misbehavior in the eyes of her "leaders".

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I think Chopin's view on the female protagonist was in a way- one of pity. She felt resentment for Edna because Chopin to an extent, understood the oppression she was enduring. Chopin was able to compare herself to the character and overall understand her feelings and wants.

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Edna's suicide can be looked at in numerous ways, but I would ultimately label it as being triumphant, though being very tragic in nature, Edna is finally achieving the independence she has sought throughout the novel. her suicide was presented as seemingly the only way she could truly gain the freedom she longed for.

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The setting is crucial to the story considering that the environment is foreign and uninviting through the eyes of the protagonist and can therefore serve as symbolism of the way that Mrs Pontellier viewed society as a whole due to her subjugation, which was a societal norm at the time.

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Edna's suicide wasn't one or the other. It was mix of all of these things. First, it was a tragedy because of the unusual way she took her life. She also left a family behind, a single parent and two young children that now have to survive without a mother. It was also a triumph because it was Edna's way of escaping this depression and pressure that she had accumulated throughout the novel. She finally gained her freedom from her marriage and her independence when she made her own choice to walk into the ocean. However, it can also be seen as a failure because she was young and had a lot of ambition. With the time ahead of her, she could have chosen to stand up to society and prove that women don't have to be submissive to men. She sort of gave up instead of recognizing her potential and acting on it.

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The Awakening can be seen as that rebellious nature that Chopin offers the audience of her book. Edna defies the view of women in her society to break that chain or stereotype. This allows for a unique experience for readers now and In the past.

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The setting and time period contribute to the novel. Knowing the traditional role of women in the late 19th and early 20th century you see that Edna does not fit that description. She is a strong young individual who chooses to follow her own desires and be herself rather than conform to society.

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The setting of the novel is during the 19th century in the Grand Isle, but also has a background on the creole outlook to readers, that tradition contributes and corresponds with the novel.

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I agree with Skylar's point of Edna being a voice for women, especially in the late 19th century when women's rights were an avoided conversation.

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I agree with Alexis that Edna was a victim of the time period. Society put pressure on her to be the perfect wife which meant loving Robert could basically destroy her.