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Definetly my guy winston is dead,

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Did you ever once feel that winston was going to overcome the party?

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I agree with Jason about Winston not being physically dead ,but being mentally gone. Winston finally agreed with the party and said he loved Big Brother, he lost his individuality.

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i agree with Sabrina's response to Isabella's question about how Winston now believes that he is a part of every one else and is no longer different from others who don't rebel and is safe

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I think Mrs. P's interpretation of the ending is more likely because O'Brian did say they would eventually shoot him.

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I agree with Blaze that it was more of a mental change rather than a physical change.

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I agree with sabrina i don't think he actually died. It was an eye opener that he actually loves big bother.

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I agree with Sabrina, I also don't think that Winston died physically.

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Def

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I agree with what Jade said about Winston not physically dying, but the Winston that he has been through out the entirety of the book has died. Suddenly he now loves Big Brother, even though he used to despise him

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I agree with Sabrina, I feel that Winston's physical self did not die but rather his hate for big brother. His negative perspective towards big brother was such a big part of his character and because of that his love for big brother changed him completely. He became a new person that had different beliefs from the old Winston and no longer wanted rebellion.

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in response to sabrina, i agree that winston lost apart of himself and not his physical self . i think the only thing he lost was his will to rebel

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I think that all of these are interesting perspectives. THey all have merit and I would like to thing that Orwell left the ending open for interpretation to incite discussion such as this

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I agree with  Blaze

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Responding to Brandon, I think love can overcome natural instincts to survive but it just depends on the case. For example if a couple was in a life or death scenario, one might give up their life for the sake of the other.

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I can agree with Michelle in her description of Big Brother as an all knowing entity.

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In response to Ben's comment, I can agree that O'briens betrayal was most shocking because Winston viewed O'brien as someone who was trustworthy.

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Responding to Sabrina’s comment, Winston’s realization of big brother’s meaning to the society he lives within causes him to love and appreciate big brother. 

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(question)
Why do y'all think that this book is so popular? Does it remind you of the book that Winston is given at all?

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I agree with Daisy about the US

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I agree with Daisy that the U.S is the best country and west is best

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I agree with Daisy's response that

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I slightly agree with Daisy’s response to Ben’s question. While it is hard to have a strict government in today’s society due to the flow of information in the United States, I do not think it is impossible. Anything can happen in the world and that has been proven many times. I personally don’t think the world represented in 1984 will happen to the U.S. but I keep my mind open.

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I do believe there were/are regimes in our world attempting to do the same things as the Party, but none nearly as successful.

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Responding to Ben's question about authoritative governments occurring in today's society. I agree with Daisy's comment that that a catastrophic event would have to occur in order for every country to fall into this method of control. Also, I don't think that we could ever reach the government style of that in 1984.

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I agree with Mrs.Polasek’s statement that the book is used to catch other people who choose to rebel :)

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I agree with sean's Comments about how Winston never really directly rebelled. and how

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Responding to Brandon's question on rebellion, I think that often people rebel because they feel like a rule, law, or way of life is unfair to them or to others

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Responding to Sabrina’s comment, I agree that the betrayal of others can be made to an extent. The expression of guilt can cause one to betray a stranger easier rather than someone who is considered a loved one. 

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(@ Ben's belief about when it is just to rebel)
I like this idea because it is justified by the text. Winston is constantly thinking about how the proles are the ones that are supposed to rebel but they don't because they understand that it puts them in imminent danger and they cannot rationalize putting their life in danger for a cause greater than their imbolent selves.

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I agree with Brandon's comment on betrayal. When not looking in terms of a life or death situation, humans tend to betray others, but don't necessarily mean to inflict any intentional harm. I believe that depending on what type of situation one is in can lead to whether one will betray another or not.

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I agree with Brandon’s response regarding betrayal, that people are not necessarily going through everyday life with a purpose to betray someone. Betrayal is just something that comes unexpectedly

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in response to Brandon's question. I believe the more constraints placed upon an individual, the more they want to do those things, not just out of spite but simply because more things in general are restricted, and the lack of variety leads people to want more.

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I think it is easier to betray people that you have no deep relationship with. I agree with what Sabrina is saying, that it is easier to betray ones you love in an alarming situation.

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I agree with Sean, I think humans will betray others because we would rather save ourselves from the embarrassment. Also, it's just easier to betray others.

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In the grand scheme I don't think betrayal is ever justified because it means offloading your own burdens or pain or trials on someone else, but in the point of view of an individual it is always justified because a person's highest priority obligation is themselves, so if an action that benefits the self harms another, then oh well. Survival is number 1.

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Responding to Ashley’s comment, I agree with her input of a human’s inability to naturally betray others.

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Responding to Ben’s opinion on human rights, our individual rights are what we are born with so they can’t necessarily be taken away or granted by the government

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I agree with Sabrina, I think betrayal is completely dependent upon your morals. While you may consider telling a teacher about a friend’s issue as fixing a tough situation, they may see it as betraying their trust, even though it may ultimately help them. It is entirely influenced by what you consider right and wrong.

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Responding to Daisy's question about betrayal. I think humans have the notion to betray someone for their own personal benefit in terms of survival. When put in a life or death situation, most likely people will choose their own survival than help someone they love.

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I think betrayal often comes from being put in a situation where betraying someone will save you from punishment, embarrasment, etc.

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I don't think governments have the power to grant people individual rights. Individual rights are those that all humans are born with, therefore no government has jurisdiction to grant or deny them.

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Responding to Ben’s statement about people’s rights, our individual human rights is what people are born with so they cant be necessarily granted or taken away from us by the government

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(helping @ Daisy define individual rights)
I think that individual rights, similar to Ben, are not and cannot be dictated by certain laws but are the most essential goals that should be protected by societies always.

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@ Daisy's question about betrayal. I like Ashley's response, I do feel like we would never think of betraying someone on a normal day, but when the time comes us as individuals are looking out for ourselves.

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I believe the people should be constantly aware of encroachment upon their freedoms, without the awareness of the citizens in government affairs, the government no longer accurately represents the will of its people.

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I think people should just always be aware of what actions their government is doing that way it's harder for governments to do bad things

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Responding to Sean's question about government encroachment. Individuals need to be constantly aware of that actions of the government, as they enforce a person's social and individual rights through the justice system. If we are oblivious to what they government does, a totalitarian government will begin to form and all out rights will be stripped away.

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Responding to Bill’s comment, I agree that emotional pain can triumph physical pain to an extent. Most of the time emotional pain can happen through/from physical pain.

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Responding to Daisy, I believe that individual rights can be defined as the rights that each person holds from birth on, that are respected and upheld by the government

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I think physical pain can create emotional pain close to the level of the physical pain, but physical pain rarely results from emotional pain, and even when it does it's no where near as intense as said emotional pain.

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I don't think that torturing Julia would have had the same result as threatening Winston with rats because as we know, Winston ended up choosing to harm Julia above having to face his fear of the rats.

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I don't think you can make a blanket statement putting one form of pain over the other considering they can exist in various levels. I do however believe that emotional pain and physical pain are more intertwined than we're discussing them as.

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( @ Bill/William/Billiam's answer about physical/emotional pain)
I agree that emotional pain is far worse than physical pain due to the fact that it can persists and be self-propelling, but I think that the idea of physical pain not inflicting trauma is being overlooked because then one could argue that the physical pain is worse.

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Responding to Ben's question about emotional and physical pain. I feel like emotional pain is more destructive than physical pain because pain in the physical sense is more of a temporary installment while emotional pain lingers and overcomes the mind of individuals. Emotional pain that has lasted for an extensive period of time, can even lead to physical pain that a person puts on themselves

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Responding to Sean, I completely agree with his input of brainwashing in today’s society. It is apparent in younger generations and expressed profusely.

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I agree with Ben, that a lot of times people tend to do things because society presents a path or "good" choices for them, rather than doing things because they actually want to

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like what Ben said, I agree the idea of "success" and doing well are tied with financial gain and social norms. the act of doing something outside of that is generally related to being less successfull

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I agree with what Ben and Daisy said about how society chooses the more rational route then the route that makes us happy. I feel in most people money is their happiness.

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Responding to Sean, I agree that the mindset of the "American Dream" has been drilled into our heads forever, and anything outside of this is seen as unsuccessful or not a "good" member of society. We are taught to obey the status quo and the status quo only, which puts stress on individuals to follow it strictly.

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Responding to Michelle's question concerning manipulation in today's society. I believe that the manipulation occurring today is not as extensive or harmful than those reflected in 1984. Most of the manipulation today, in a teenagers perspective is to go to college, be successful, and do the logical and more practical career path, thus basically stripping individuals ways to form dreams for their future.

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in response to @Michelle's question I feel that the current manipulation that takes place in our society is less harmful than in 1984, but it can still be harmful. When people are manipulated by fastfood to believe that their food can be healthy, it can be bad

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While I agree with Sean in that constant productivity being necessary is an idea that has been placed into our heads by modern western society, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to be spread. Productivity produces real benefits and real results, and is necessary to a functioning society. Happiness is undoubtedly important, but sacrifices must be made in order for our lives to progress.

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Responding to Brandon, I think that love can overcome a natural instinct to survive in terms of parents with their children, since many parents would risk their lives to save their children

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Responding to Daisy's response to Michelle's question, I do agree that in society we crave to be productive and have a final outcome to all of our actions.

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Responding to @Brandon's question, I don't believe that love could overcome the natural instinct to want to survive due to how the flight or flight mechanism works in the brain

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I think that the instinct to survive will always overpower any other urges or desires such as love, lust, rationality, etc.

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Responding to Ben, I think that O'Brien betraying Winston was always going to happen, although I think Winston was so desperate to find others with the same mindset as him that he didn't think anything through.

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Responding to Ashley's comment about Winston's betrayal, I agree that it was very surprising to see Winston betray Julia but I understand why he did so.

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I agree with @Ben about how O'brien's betrayal was the most shocking due to how Winston viewed O'brien as someone who could be trusted

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I agree with Ben in that Winston knew deep down that O'Brien wasn't to be trusted, but he did so anyway simply because he wanted to, regardless of the consequences

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(@ Ashley's thoughts about what surprised her)
I think it is an interesting idea to think of how willing Winston was to risk his own life to trust O'Brien in comparison with how willing he was to sacrifice Julia's life after he was captured.

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I agree with everyone's comments on the end of the novel in regards to Winston finally giving up his fight against the party and realizing that rebellion wasn't worth it, in turn "loving" big brother.

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Responding to Ashley's answer on Winston's betrayal to Julia. I remember when reading that in the novel I was completely shocked because Winston said on a previous page that he would increase his pain in order to take it away from the woman he loved. His betrayal proved that natural instinct of survival is almost more powerful than love because when in intense physical pain, humans would do whatever to do to make it stop.

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Responding to Sabrina's answer to the opening statement, I completely agree that Winston's view of Big Brother has dramatically changed from the beginning of the book to the end.

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I agree with Daisy about how often when people are b

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I think Sabrina's question was a great discussion starter, because of all the surprising things Orwell included in this book. I like Ashley's response towards Sabrina's question, about betrayal between Winston and Julia.

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I agree with Daisy on how Big Brother's ideology has gotten to Winston

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I agree with @Brandon about Winston's conformity to the party and big brother

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Responding to everyone's remarks over the question concerning what happened to Winston at the end of the novel. I agree with their comments of Winston drifting away from his internal conflicts toward Big Brother and is now conforming to the Party's ideologies.

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Responding to Sabrina's answer to the opening statement, I completely agree that Winston's view of Big Brother has dramatically changed from the beginning of the book to the end.

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(@ Michelle's comment on what Winston experiences at the end of the book)  I really liked Michelle's description of Big Brother as an all knowing entity. It really portrays how useless the rebellious acts of Winston were and how powerful conformity really is despite having differing rational thoughts.

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good luck to inner circle

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I agree with Brandon that by the end of the book, Winston has finally conformed.
I can agree that emotional pain would be far worse than physical pain because there's a lot of factors that can contribute to emotional pain.
To answer the question about when it is okay to rebel, I say that most people aren't out to betray people, it might just happen when there's high stakes.
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many of the inner circle (starting with Michelle) stated that Winston's new perception of big brother was due to the absence of his rational thought. the reasons for giving up his thoughts of rebellion were torture and bombardment on his brain by the party.

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The guy with the glasses said something that I agree with. He mentioned that fear can come from not knowing of what's to come. For example, not knowing what happens after death. That was one example that caught my attention. Wow, the fear of the unknown. What if all fear derives from our own selfishness? Think about it.