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I don't think the domestic violence or homicide directed towards men is talked about nearly enough. It is not reported in the news very frequently and I believe that the stigma around men speaking out against abuse probably skews reports about the prevalence of such violence. I think the media portrayal of a typical heterosexual relationship portrays the man as being strong, and if a men were to open up about being abused, they may fear being perceived as weak. If domestic violence against men was less stigmatized, it would probably prevent domestic homicide against men.

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I don't think society talks about male victims a lot, in general. Part of the reason I believe we don't talk about male victim in domestic violence is cases, is because of toxic masculinity. It is the whole idea that men are strong and are considered weak if they are abused by someone, especially a women. Society questions a man "manliness", if they report the abuse, instead of sympathizing with them.

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I don't think there are as many male domestic murders as there are female domestic murders. The first is the power gap between men and women, and the second is the difference in emotional thinking between men and women. I don't deny the existence of male domestic murders, but I really can't think of an example. The recent domestic violence case is the only example I can think of, but it wasn't murder either.

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I do not think male victim domestic homicide is talked about enough. I think all aspects in regard to male are lacking on the amount of discussions being had such as mental health etc. Our society has set these standards for what is seen as a "man" and then it creates a stigma about males and their feelings/stories. Especially male victims. I think we need to become more educated on these topics and speak on them more often.

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male homicide is not talked about enough, I think because women are seen as the weaker gender that violence against them happens more frequently and therefore is talked about more, however men can be victims too and this stigma needs to be broken.

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Male domestic violence and homicide is not talked about nearly enough. I cannot think of a single case/story I have read or heard (other than this presentation) that has talked about male domestic homicide, which is quite jarring considering the amount of crime podcasts I listen to. I think it is extremely important that we talk about the realities of male domestic homicide and continue to spread awareness.

- Tamia Duchesneau

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I personally don't think male domestic homicide is talked about enough. Women aren't the only ones being abused in relationships. We live in a society where people and men themselves don't want to be viewed as weak so maybe they don't report these abuses enough.

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I do not think it is talked about enough, due to the patriarchal structure of society. If men have the "power" in society, people find it hard to view them as victims of domestic homicide. Even when this does happen, it is viewed as an "exception" to the patriarchal views of society. It is not viewed as equal to women victim homicide. An example of this is  Katherine Knight who abused and murdered her husband and abused many other people she was with

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I don't think male domestic abuse or homicide is talked about enough. I think many people in our society view men as "tough" and that they cannot be abused, but they of course can, in fact, be abused.

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I do not believe that male victim domestic has been represented enough, and when it is publicized to the media there is a negative stigma against the victim. Just as Kendra presented, the stigma is very prevalent in todays society. Which prevents other victims to come out file for domestic abuse cases. Even then, we can see many people who do file for domestic abuse and in the court of public opinion they are against the male victim.

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I don't think that male-victim domestic abuse to talked about enough for many reasons. The first being that women are typically seen as domestic abuse victims as they are the only type of domestic abuse victims (males can not be victims). Another reasons is that it would make males look weak and in our society men are seen as strong. Male are also always seen as the aggressors and women as timid. There needs to be more awareness about this topic to fight stigma and stereotypes

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I do not think that Male-victim domestic abuse is talked about enough. I think that this is due to the stigma that surrounds men being victims of domestic abuse. Unfortunately, sometimes this stigma results in men not reporting the abuse as well.
- Brooklynn Ashworth

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I don't think male-victim domestic abuse is talked about enough, its still a very "taboo" subject and i think thats because of deeply rooted systematic issues such as the patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Creating the unrealistic image of what a "man" looks like creates an unsafe environment for men to deviate from that perceived reality of what being a man entails.

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I do not think male-victim domestic abuse and homicide is talked about enough, because in our society the stereotype of women being the only victims of domestic violence are still going strong. Awareness needs to be spread about male-victim domestic violence to combat this stigma.

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Not at all, I don't think male victim homicide is talked about enough. I think it's because of the stigma around men, having to be "manly" and take a leading role. So it makes it harder for men to come out and talk about what's happened to them.

Zachary Turner-Good's girlfriend Isabelle Johnny had a probation placed on her after the couple had an incident and Isabelle was charged with domestic assault on Zachary. Zachary had to move into his own apartment.

Unfortunately, that was not enough and Zachary's father received a loud knock in the middle of the night with the news of Zachry's stabbing by Isabelle

Inter Partner Violence is most relevant to this case.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/intimate-partner-violence-indigenous-men-1.629117e

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At dawn's first light, with fresh snow blanketing the ground, Dale Good is chopping firewood, each crack of his axe splitting the logs in half. Nearby, a group of totems silently watches over him and his community of Gitanyow, an Indigenous village in remote northern B.C.

It's in quiet moments like these that he thinks about his son, Zachary.

"I still write to him on [Facebook] Messenger on his birthdays, wherever I feel lost," Good said. "I tell him I love him, I miss him, and that I wish he were still here."

But Zachary Turner-Good will never answer. He was killed six years ago, at age 25, his former girlfriend convicted of manslaughter.

Turner-Good's death is not an isolated incident. A 16-month CBC News investigation into intimate-partner homicide found that among male victims, one in three were Indigenous - the highest number of victims across all ethnicities.

It also marks an overrepresentation, given that First Nations, Inuit and Métis people made up only six per cent of the Canadian population as of the 2016 Census.

Experts say that very few men - particularly in Indigenous communities - open up and talk about this kind of violence. And until they do, there will be few options created to stem it.

'Just the way he was'

Dale Good remembers when he first held his baby boy in his hands; when he lifted him up and held him close, he could see Zachary's future.

"It was like receiving a hug from him," Good recalled. "That's the kind of person he was throughout his life. Affectionate. He always hugged people."

Zachary was also helpful throughout his life, Good said. He'd always help family members with one thing or another. Even village elders, often cutting and stacking their firewood in the winters, refusing offers of payment.

"That was him. That's just the way he was," he said.

Good doesn't recall when Zachary started seeing his girlfriend, Isabelle Johnny. But he remembers when he first brought her to a family gathering. "She seemed cold and distant. And there was nothing behind her eyes," he said.

After an incident between the couple saw Isabelle charged with domestic assault on Zachary, she was placed on probation, and Zachary moved into an apartment on his own.

Good helped him buy furniture and move into the space - something he'd come to regret.

On May 6, 2015, Good was sleeping in his living quarters in a work camp in Kitimat, B.C., after finishing a shift when he was awakened by a knock on his door. His daughter and her husband were standing there when he opened it.

His stomach dropped.

"They told me she got into Zachary's apartment ... and stabbed him, and that he died in hospital," he said. "The hardest part was learning how he died. You never think it could happen to your family, but it did."

In 2017, Isabelle Johnny pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to four years in prison, as well as three years' probation, a lifetime ban on possessing firearms and she had to supply a DNA sample. She was also ordered to have no contact with Zachary's family. After credit for time served, she spent 198 days in custody.

It's only in retrospect, Good said, that he sees there were warning signs something was wrong in the relationship.

Zachary started attending fewer family gatherings. He was losing weight. And he stopped playing soccer, a game he loved and was exceptionally skilled at. Good later found out that Zachary would sometimes live with relatives in Terrace, B.C., often for a week or more at a time.

He never told his parents why, Good said. In fact, he never talked about the relationship at all - something Good feels contributed to his death.

"Men won't talk about [marital] violence they're enduring because of how they feel they'll be perceived. As wimps or weak," he said. "It seems like we always expect the violence to come from our men - but it doesn't."

Strategies, services lacking in remote communities

One contributing factor to Zachary's death could have been the lack of programs and services for men experiencing intimate partner violence, particularly in a remote Indigenous community.

Cindy Robinson knows all too well about this.

While Robinson now lives in Nanaimo, B.C., where she is studying for a graduate degree in leadership and health, her home community of Kitasoo is located on the province's northwest coast, accessible only by boat and plane.

She served one term as an elected councillor, and learned first hand about intimate partner violence.

Robinson said she intervened and broke up a number of fights between couples in the small community, where there were no programs, services or specialized counselling to help.

Community decision-makers weren't equipped to handle the issue beyond "waking the chief up in the middle of the night and asking, 'Can we place this person in a different location?'" she said. "It's something that requires strategies."

One night, she recalled, her own home became a de facto safe house, when a mother showed up with her children, all of them in their pajamas, fleeing a violent husband. "There was nowhere else for them to go, so I took them in," she said.

It soon dawned on Robinson that for all fights where she intervened, the couples had something in common: Trauma they had lived with since childhood.

"They got it from their parents, who got it from their parents - it's intergenerational," said Robinson. "I think a lot of it does stem from the first contact of colonization. Churches and the residential school experience."

Male voices not part of the conversation

Robert Innes, an associate professor of social sciences and Indigenous studies at McMaster University who has studied Indigenous masculinity and violence, says research into violence against Indigenous men by Indigenous women is limited.

There are programs and services for Indigenous men who have committed violence toward Indigenous women. But because Indigenous men don't tend to talk about the violence they experience, no one has given thought to the need, said Innes.

The biggest reason for the scarcity of data and resources is that stigma and shame prevent men from starting the conversation, he said.

"They don't want people to know their business. And also because, you know, they are not supposed to be beaten up by their spouse," Innes said. "Who wants to have their manhood and their masculinity questioned, right? Or made fun of?"

Men need safe spaces to open up about the violence they experience, he said, and their audience should be the experts who provide similar programs for women.

But the power of just one person speaking out can be great, said Innes, pointing to former AFN National Chief Phil Fontaine's disclosure of the sexual abuse he experienced in residential school.

"That made it easier for people to come forward and to talk about their experiences. And this is the same issue," he said.

Back in Gitanyow, Dale Good splits another block of wood with the crack of his axe. He places the halves on the growing stack in front of him, then pauses for a few moments, thoughtfully, before speaking.

Zachary is gone forever, he says, and part of him died with his son in that lonely apartment.

"It will never leave you until it's your time to go. It stays with you," he said. "Regardless of how you lose your child, that piece of your heart is gone."

But Good says he also feels obligated to impart the painful lessons he learned from his son's death. To share what he knows about intimate partner violence with Zachary's friends and the community. To start the conversation.

"As men, we [think we] have to be strong and not show emotion," he said. "Listen. Look what's around you. Is it worth your life? Because eventually it will take your life."

Support is available for anyone affected by intimate partner violence. You can access support services and local resources in Canada by visiting this website. If your situation is urgent, please contact emergency services in your area.

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I think male victim domestic violence is not talked about enough. I think this is because of the stigma around men, that they can't be victims. It is believed that men are stronger than women and also it is more rare for them to be victims of domestic violence or sexual assault. It's more common for women to be the victims so its less talked about. I also think because it is more rare, it's harder for men to come forward about it and they probably feel a lot of shame.

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Susan Manyathelo and her husband Peter Manyathelo were reported to have been fighting in there home when Susan ended up injuring Peter. The exact details are not clear but Susan than drove with Peter and left him in the drivers seat of the vechile parked on the side of a road before she continued to work. A passerby notified the authorities of the vechile. When police arrived they found a pool of blood surrounding the motionless body in the drivers seat. The man sustained deep scars on his head and it was suspected he had been hit with metal or anthoer sharp object. Peter had no identification and his identity remained unsure for a few days.

-Meg Pearle

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Absolutely not - there is a focus on the violence perpetrated by men against women. However, it is common place to see women abuse men in the media (such as a woman slapping her husband/boyfriend in movies and on TV ) and this is not framed as inter partner violence but if the tables are turned and a male slaps his wife it is immediately framed as inter partner violence.

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No, I don't think that male victim homicide or domestic abuse is talked about enough. There is a deeply rooted stigma stemming overall from the patriarchy, which discourages men from coming forward with their stories due to fear of being emasculated and seen as less than. Toxic masculinity encourages men to continue to be silent and not come forward about their abuse. We saw instances of this in Hollywood with actors such as Terry Crews and Brendan Fraser.

However, I think it's crucial to highlight the inherent problem of only bringing up male victims in response to a woman sharing her story. There are instances in online spaces where male victims are specifically only brought up to silence women, which helps neither male victims, nor women who are speaking out against the patriarchy.

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While I do believe there is a degree of stigma behind the reason we do not talk about male victim domestic homicide, there are also just less instances of this happening. I think that what we are seeing right now in the media concerning some domestic violence cases that there may be a change to how much we talk about it, and I do think that we should talk about it more.

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I do not think that male victim domestic homicide is talked about enough due to the social stigma against men coming forward about being abused, especially if it is by a woman. A case of male victim domestic homicide is the stabbing of Zachary Turner-Good, who was murdered by his ex-girlfriend. His family has since spoken to the media about how he withdrew from his passions and his family during his relationship with his abuser.

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I do not believe that male victim domestic homicide is talked about enough. This may be because of it being statistically rare, but even then, it should be equally talked about because it is just as serious as female victim domestic homicide. However, many cases of male victim domestic homicide are not reported resulting in low report rates; this could be due to the stigma surrounding violence towards men. There is a misconception in our society that males can't be the victims of abuse or violence from females, but that is wrong.

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I think that male domestic violence is not discussed enough. I believe that there is a stigma around men who are victims of domestic abuse coming forward. It does need to be talked about more to bring awareness to the issue.

-Sarah Lacusta

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Male domestic violence is not often talked about as it does happen less than female domestic violence and there is also a lot of stigma behind it. Men can be ridiculed for stepping forward and talking about the abuse they have endured and they can also not be believed due to the fact that it is majorly women that are victims of domestic abuse.

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I do not think ghat male victim homicide is talked about enough. Our society is built on this construct where males are rarely the victims. The stigma surrounding that men are "stronger" or "dominant" has created a stigma that men are rarely on the receiving end of violent acts.

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Given that males are rarely the victims of homicide, it makes sense that it is spoken about less than female victim homicides. However, it remains important to discuss male victim homicide, as not doing so can build stereotypes, further perpetuate stigmas, and can lead to the general public not understanding that male victim homicides do happen, and probably more often than people think.

- Anthony Baxter

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I don't think that male domestic homicide is talked about enough due to the toxic masculinity and stigma being attached to males and their victim profiles. Society usually has a pre-disposed way of thinking that women are the victims due to their innately weaker position in society and the elevation of female victims vs. male victims.

Also, males do not usually come forth as victims as they don't want to look weak or unable to take care of themselves properly because in society stereotypically they are the ones who should protect others from harm and not get harmed themselves.

They see it as a sense of shame and embarrassment if they are the ones getting hurt especially by women as society has ingrained it into them that they are stronger and have a higher position in the world than women.

For example, Katherine Knight stabbed her lover with a butcher knife at least 37 times in February 2000, she then chopped him up, cooked him, and prepared to serve him to his own children.

She was diagnosed with postnatal depression after witnesses saw her violently pushing and swinging her second child in a stroller down a busy street. She spent a few months in a psychiatric hospital, where she told nurses that she intended to kill a mechanic who had fixed Kellett’s car because that made it possible for him to leave her.

When he left her, she soon remarried John Charles Thomas Price. Katherine Knight took a butcher knife from next to her bed — where she had always kept them — and stabbed Price 37 times. According to evidence, he woke up during the attack but could not fight her off.

He succumbed to his wounds and Knight dragged his body downstairs, skinned him, and hung his body from a meat hook in the living room. Then, she decapitated him and cut up pieces of his body to cook in a dish with potato, pumpkin, beets, zucchini, cabbage, squash, and gravy.

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Slaughterhouse worker Katherine Knight became the first woman in Australia to receive a life sentence without parole after she decapitated and cooked John Charles Thomas Price.

Most lovers' quarrels end with an apology. But for Katherine Knight, murder and mutilation were the end result.

Not only did this Australian abattoir worker stab her lover with a butcher knife at least 37 times in February 2000, she then chopped him up, cooked him, and prepared to serve him to his own children.

Even before this grisly killing, the life of Katherine Mary Knight was marked by violence and sexual abuse that only hinted at the bloodshed to come.

A Brutal Childhood

Born on October 24, 1955, in Tenterfield, Australia, Katherine Mary Knight was the product of a scandalous affair between her mother, Barbara Roughan, and her father, Ken Knight. Roughan was not only already a mother of four boys with another man, but she even met Knight through her husband. When their secret rendezvous came to light, it rocked their small conservative town.

Following this tumultuous start, Knight's chaotic childhood didn't get much better from there. Her father was a violent alcoholic who raped her mother multiple times a day. Knight herself claims that she was sexually assaulted by several family members until the age of 11.

In school, Knight was known as a bully who terrorized smaller children. Without ever learning how to read or write, she quit at the age of 15 to work at a clothing factory. A year later, she landed her "dream job" at a slaughterhouse cutting out the internal organs of animals.

Journalist Peter Lalor wrote in Blood Stain, his true-crime book that covered Katherine Knight, that she loved her job so much that she hung her first set of butcher's knives over her bed - just in case she ever wanted to use them.

And eventually, she did.

First Comes Love, Then Comes Attempted Murder

While working in the butcher shop, Knight met David Kellett, a raging alcoholic much like her father who was prone to fistfights. Used to this kind of violence, Knight surprised her new beau when she joined in on one of his drunken scuffles.

He soon realized, however, that Knight was capable of doing more than a little damage with her fists. Before long he found himself being dominated by her.

In 1974, she convinced him to marry her. He was heavily intoxicated the entire time and her mother even warned him about her daughter's temper, saying that Knight had "a screw loose somewhere."

On their wedding night, Knight and Kellett consummated their marriage three times. When he fell asleep, Knight wanted a fourth round and took issue with her new husband's exhaustion, so she started to strangle him.

Kellett woke up and managed to fight Knight off. Even though she attempted to kill him only one day into their marriage, the union lasted for 10 more years. The marriage was, however, far from perfect.

Kellett was often unfaithful, and once even left his wife and their two daughters in the middle of the night. After discovering one of Kellett's affairs, Knight placed their two-month-old infant on the local train tracks shortly before a train was due (the train didn't come and the infant was spared) and also threatened several people with a stolen ax.

She was also diagnosed with postnatal depression after witnesses saw her violently pushing and swinging her second child in a stroller down a busy street.

She spent a few months in a psychiatric hospital, where she told nurses that she intended to kill a mechanic who had fixed Kellett's car because that made it possible for him to leave her. Despite this threat, Kellett took Knight back when she was released from the hospital. Their reunion didn't last long, and Knight went through a period of deep distress after Kellett finally did leave her.

Katherine Knight's String Of Toxic Relationships

In 1986, shortly after her breakup with Kellett, Katherine Knight jumped into a whirlwind romance with David Saunders, a local miner.

Within a few months, Saunders moved in with her and her two daughters. However, he kept his apartment, and Knight became incredibly jealous and suspicious about what he did when she wasn't around. Like her previous relationships, this one quickly grew toxic and violent.

At one point she slit the throat of his two-month-old dingo puppy in front of him just to show him what she was capable of.

Still, they stayed together and even had a daughter a year later. However, Saunders left Knight shortly after the birth because she had attempted to kill him with a pair of scissors.

She then met a man named John Chillingworth. They stayed together for three years and had a child, Eric, Knight's first son. While no violent incidents have been reported about their relationship, it ended after Chillingworth learned that Knight was having an affair with a man named John Charles Thomas Price.

Katherine Knight's Violent Relationship With John Charles Thomas Price

The beginning of Katherine Knight and John Price's relationship was without complications. He had two older children who lived with him and seemed to like Knight, and he made enough money as a miner to keep her comfortable. They moved in together in 1995 and things were going smoothly.

However, when she suggested they marry and he declined, she turned violent.

Knight framed Price for stealing things from his company and got him fired. Though he initially kicked her out, a few months later they started seeing each other again.

However this time, he refused to let her move back in. According to their friends and neighbors, Knight's violence then began to escalate.

In February of 2000, an argument between John Charles Thomas Price and Katherine Knight culminated with her attempting to stab him in the chest. He took out a restraining order against her in an attempt to keep his children safe. Toward the end of the month, Price let on that he was concerned for his safety and told his coworkers that if he ever went missing, it was because Knight killed him.

He was right to be afraid.

Murder, Mutilation, And A Macabre Dinner Menu

On February 29, 2000, John Charles Thomas Price came home from work and followed his usual routine of checking in with the neighbors before going to bed at 11 p.m. Knight came home shortly after, made herself dinner, watched TV, showered, and then went upstairs. She woke Price, the two had sex, and he went back to bed.

Then, Katherine Knight took a butcher knife from next to her bed - where she had always kept them - and stabbed Price 37 times. According to evidence, he woke up during the attack but could not fight her off.

He succumbed to his wounds and Knight dragged his body downstairs, skinned him, and hung his body from a meat hook in the living room. Then, she decapitated him and cut up pieces of his body to cook in a dish with potato, pumpkin, beets, zucchini, cabbage, squash, and gravy.

She then made a dish for herself, though the half-discarded contents later found at the crime scene suggest that she couldn't finish her meal.

She then lay down next to the headless, mutilated corpse of Price, took a large number of pills, and passed out.

Price's coworkers heeded his warning the next morning and called the police after he didn't show up for his shift. The police arrived to find Katherine Knight's gruesome crime scene and immediately detained the comatose Knight. Once she woke up, she claimed to have no memory of the night before.

In the kitchen, police found Price's head, boiling in a pot of vegetables on the stove. On the table, they found two full plates, each labeled with a name. In horror, the police realized that Knight had planned to serve John Price's body parts to his children.

Katherine Knight: "Never To Be Released"

Despite her claims that she had no recollection of the night John Charles Thomas Price died, Katherine Knight was quickly charged with his murder.

In October of 2001, her trial commenced but it didn't get very far. For reasons that remain unclear, Knight changed her plea to guilty and the judge adjourned the case without testimony.

She was escorted to prison that day and the judge ordered that her papers be marked "never to be released." For the first time in history, a woman in Australia was given a life sentence without parole.

To this day, Knight nevertheless maintains her innocence and refuses to accept responsibility for her actions.

Katherine Knight has appealed her sentence before and was denied almost immediately. She is still serving her life sentence at Silverwater Women's Correctional Centre.

After learning about Katherine Knight, learn about John Wayne Gacy, the real-life killer clown. Then, check out these five terrifying serial killer couples.

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No, male victim domestic homicide isn't talked about enough. I say this because it's not typically discussed among media, friends, or supports. I believe this to be the case because of our build in schemas and stereotypes. I hope from the recent court cases popularized on social media it will allow for the normalized discussions and understandings that men can be victims of domestic abuse which can also result on homicide.

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I do not believe that male victim domestic abuse/homicide is talked about enough because of the stigma surrounding it. Many people are afraid to talk about things like that, they may think it isn't as bad as it really is, or they could be threatened by their abuser. There are many factors that can affect why this issue is not discussed more. It's sad that that's the way it is, but hopefully that will change!

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No, I do not think that male domestic homicide is talked about enough. I believe that there is a stigma around men coming forward with such allegations against a woman; if you look at the Jonny Depp and Amber Heard case, it is a good example of how a woman thought she could get away with anything because she was abusing a man. I believe that if men do come forward, it will be a difficult journey to find people that support them and are willing to help.

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I don't think it's talked about enough, I think the toxic masculinity would make it difficult for men to come forward. With the very common view that men cannot be abused, or are weak if they are. If we talked about it more, I believe it would give space for them to come forward.

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No, I do not think that cases of male victim domestic homicide are given the same attention females, and are not talked about enough in general. I think that this is the case for two main reasons. One reason being that women are more often the victims of this type of violence and therefore their cases are happening more often and given more attention - But this does not mean that it isnt an issue that cases of male homicide are not given attention when they do happen. Another potential cause of this is that males being "victims" does not fit the narrative of gender roles and expectations and falls into the idea of toxic masculinity - therefore resulting in stigma and less conversation about a prevalent issue. We often rarely think of women as being capable of abuse and murder of a male in their life because again this phenomenon does not align with the gendered expectations and norms that we have created in western society.
The article that I have linked provides an example of male victim domestic homicide. And considering this is the topic of conversation in the padlet discussion I thought that it might be of interest to note that it was actually much more difficult to find male victim domestic homicide case examples than women case examples on the same topic - even as a searched "male victim" i was still primarily presented female victim cases.

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The Toronto Star, Curtis Rush, Staff Reporter, Dec. 3, 2004

Andre Labbe holds her children Brigitte, left, and Zoe in a photo taken on Mother's Day, 2003. Zoe and her mother died Dec. 1, while Brigitte was severely injured.

Andrea Labbe killed her husband, Brian Langer, her daughter Zoe, 3, and critically wounded another daughter, Brigitte, before stabbing herself to death, police confirmed today at a news conference. "This is a tragic case. There are no good answers for the families," Detective Sergeant Chris Buck told reporters, but he wouldn' t speculate on whether Labbe had a history of mental illness or whether she was suffering from some sort of post-partum psychosis.

She had three children, all 3 and under, including Brigitte, 2, and Margot, seven months.

"We know now the hows, we know the whos. We don' t have all the answers as to the whys and we may never have all the answers to the whys," Buck said.

The horrific scene was uncovered when emergency crews rushed to the two-storey home on Concord Ave. near Dupont St. and Ossington Ave. Wednesday shortly after 7:30 a.m. following a 911 call from a man who said his wife had stabbed him in the stomach.

Langer was taken to St. Michael' s Hospital where he was pronounced dead. The three girls were taken to the Hospital for Sick Children.

Zoe, who had no vital signs, was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Brigitte, who turns 2 tomorrow, has regained consciousness and is in stable condition, Buck said.

Buck said police would be examining Labbe' s medical records, but that he would not release the results.

Buck said he broke the news of the post-mortem results to almost 20 members of the families last night. He wouldn' t say how the Labbe family reacted to the news that Andrea had committed the crime.

The autopsy results, along with forensic analysis, showed that Langer, 47, was stabbed in the torso, daughter Zoe, 3, was stabbed in the neck and Labbe, 26, suffered a self-inflicted stab wound to the neck.

Brigitte was also stabbed but she is expected to live.

The detective added that Margot, the seven-month-old baby who was unharmed, has been transferred from the Children' s Aid Society to relatives. Brigitte will be released to relatives as well when she is well enough to leave hospital, Buck said.

Buck was visibly shaken by the events.

"Brigitte turns 2 years old tomorrow," he said in a halting, quaking voice. "The families have to try to get past what' s happened and move on to the many tomorrows. We have Christmas around the corner."

The crime has touched thousands of people and that is reflected in the dozens of flowers that have been left at the house and the scenes of many people who knew the family, openly weeping in front of the house and trying to come to grips with the tragedy.

Langer was president of a company that sells a computer program used in printing direct mail.

Thousands of business clients across the United States are also grieving. In email postings on a group website and in interviews, they all described him as a genuine, caring and professional man who will be sorely missed.

Buck called for people to respect the privacy of the families at this time of great sorrow.

"The families are now in the process of preparing for three funerals," he said. "They are all grieving together. As a community, we can grieve with them. But also, as a community, we need to respect the privacy of these families. We need to let go and we need to let these families get on with their lives."

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Virtual Library of Newspaper Articles The Toronto Star, Curtis Rush, Staff Reporter, Dec. 3, 2004 Andre Labbe holds her children Brigitte, left, and Zoe in a photo taken on Mother's Day, 2003. Zoe and her mother died Dec. 1, while Brigitte was severely injured.

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No I do not think male victim domestic homicide is talked about enough. Regardless of who the victim is, I think that there is always stigma around victims coming forward, but those negative connotations are even worse for male victims. Because of stereotypes we have learned through socialization, we have been taught that men are supposed to be the strong, dominant one's who hold the power, not the woman. So this idea would perpetuate that if men are the victims, that they were either weak, or showed too much power and likely 'deserved it.' I think these stigmas are why male victim homicide and abuse in general is talked about much less.

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I do not think it is talked about enough, and when it is it is usually brushed off as "oh they must have done something to deserve it", or "oh they're a man they can take it". Aside from thinking men are too strong to be abused, there is also the notion that women are too weak and fragile to carry out the abuse, seemingly incapable of hurting someone else when that is in fact not hte case.

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No I don't think it is talked about enough. To be fare even though men are usually in the forefront of media and attention for always everything else, things like mental health or situations that might make men seem 'weak' or 'lame' aren't talked about almost at all. Men also experience body shaming, depression, and abuse from their partners.

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Zachary Turner-Good was an Indigenous man who was killed at age 25 by his previous girlfriend, Isabelle Johnny. Previously, Johnny domestically assaulted Turner-Good and was placed on probation. Johnny then got into his apartment and stabbed Zachary in the chest, from which he later died in hospital. Johnny was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to four years in jail. Indigenous men are disproportionately overrepresented as victims of intimate partner homicide victims, with one in three male domestic homicide victims being Indigenous.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/intimate-partner-violence-indigenous-men-1.6291176

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At dawn's first light, with fresh snow blanketing the ground, Dale Good is chopping firewood, each crack of his axe splitting the logs in half. Nearby, a group of totems silently watches over him and his community of Gitanyow, an Indigenous village in remote northern B.C.

It's in quiet moments like these that he thinks about his son, Zachary.

"I still write to him on [Facebook] Messenger on his birthdays, wherever I feel lost," Good said. "I tell him I love him, I miss him, and that I wish he were still here."

But Zachary Turner-Good will never answer. He was killed six years ago, at age 25, his former girlfriend convicted of manslaughter.

Turner-Good's death is not an isolated incident. A 16-month CBC News investigation into intimate-partner homicide found that among male victims, one in three were Indigenous - the highest number of victims across all ethnicities.

It also marks an overrepresentation, given that First Nations, Inuit and Métis people made up only six per cent of the Canadian population as of the 2016 Census.

Experts say that very few men - particularly in Indigenous communities - open up and talk about this kind of violence. And until they do, there will be few options created to stem it.

'Just the way he was'

Dale Good remembers when he first held his baby boy in his hands; when he lifted him up and held him close, he could see Zachary's future.

"It was like receiving a hug from him," Good recalled. "That's the kind of person he was throughout his life. Affectionate. He always hugged people."

Zachary was also helpful throughout his life, Good said. He'd always help family members with one thing or another. Even village elders, often cutting and stacking their firewood in the winters, refusing offers of payment.

"That was him. That's just the way he was," he said.

Good doesn't recall when Zachary started seeing his girlfriend, Isabelle Johnny. But he remembers when he first brought her to a family gathering. "She seemed cold and distant. And there was nothing behind her eyes," he said.

After an incident between the couple saw Isabelle charged with domestic assault on Zachary, she was placed on probation, and Zachary moved into an apartment on his own.

Good helped him buy furniture and move into the space - something he'd come to regret.

On May 6, 2015, Good was sleeping in his living quarters in a work camp in Kitimat, B.C., after finishing a shift when he was awakened by a knock on his door. His daughter and her husband were standing there when he opened it.

His stomach dropped.

"They told me she got into Zachary's apartment ... and stabbed him, and that he died in hospital," he said. "The hardest part was learning how he died. You never think it could happen to your family, but it did."

In 2017, Isabelle Johnny pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to four years in prison, as well as three years' probation, a lifetime ban on possessing firearms and she had to supply a DNA sample. She was also ordered to have no contact with Zachary's family. After credit for time served, she spent 198 days in custody.

It's only in retrospect, Good said, that he sees there were warning signs something was wrong in the relationship.

Zachary started attending fewer family gatherings. He was losing weight. And he stopped playing soccer, a game he loved and was exceptionally skilled at. Good later found out that Zachary would sometimes live with relatives in Terrace, B.C., often for a week or more at a time.

He never told his parents why, Good said. In fact, he never talked about the relationship at all - something Good feels contributed to his death.

"Men won't talk about [marital] violence they're enduring because of how they feel they'll be perceived. As wimps or weak," he said. "It seems like we always expect the violence to come from our men - but it doesn't."

Strategies, services lacking in remote communities

One contributing factor to Zachary's death could have been the lack of programs and services for men experiencing intimate partner violence, particularly in a remote Indigenous community.

Cindy Robinson knows all too well about this.

While Robinson now lives in Nanaimo, B.C., where she is studying for a graduate degree in leadership and health, her home community of Kitasoo is located on the province's northwest coast, accessible only by boat and plane.

She served one term as an elected councillor, and learned first hand about intimate partner violence.

Robinson said she intervened and broke up a number of fights between couples in the small community, where there were no programs, services or specialized counselling to help.

Community decision-makers weren't equipped to handle the issue beyond "waking the chief up in the middle of the night and asking, 'Can we place this person in a different location?'" she said. "It's something that requires strategies."

One night, she recalled, her own home became a de facto safe house, when a mother showed up with her children, all of them in their pajamas, fleeing a violent husband. "There was nowhere else for them to go, so I took them in," she said.

It soon dawned on Robinson that for all fights where she intervened, the couples had something in common: Trauma they had lived with since childhood.

"They got it from their parents, who got it from their parents - it's intergenerational," said Robinson. "I think a lot of it does stem from the first contact of colonization. Churches and the residential school experience."

Male voices not part of the conversation

Robert Innes, an associate professor of social sciences and Indigenous studies at McMaster University who has studied Indigenous masculinity and violence, says research into violence against Indigenous men by Indigenous women is limited.

There are programs and services for Indigenous men who have committed violence toward Indigenous women. But because Indigenous men don't tend to talk about the violence they experience, no one has given thought to the need, said Innes.

The biggest reason for the scarcity of data and resources is that stigma and shame prevent men from starting the conversation, he said.

"They don't want people to know their business. And also because, you know, they are not supposed to be beaten up by their spouse," Innes said. "Who wants to have their manhood and their masculinity questioned, right? Or made fun of?"

Men need safe spaces to open up about the violence they experience, he said, and their audience should be the experts who provide similar programs for women.

But the power of just one person speaking out can be great, said Innes, pointing to former AFN National Chief Phil Fontaine's disclosure of the sexual abuse he experienced in residential school.

"That made it easier for people to come forward and to talk about their experiences. And this is the same issue," he said.

Back in Gitanyow, Dale Good splits another block of wood with the crack of his axe. He places the halves on the growing stack in front of him, then pauses for a few moments, thoughtfully, before speaking.

Zachary is gone forever, he says, and part of him died with his son in that lonely apartment.

"It will never leave you until it's your time to go. It stays with you," he said. "Regardless of how you lose your child, that piece of your heart is gone."

But Good says he also feels obligated to impart the painful lessons he learned from his son's death. To share what he knows about intimate partner violence with Zachary's friends and the community. To start the conversation.

"As men, we [think we] have to be strong and not show emotion," he said. "Listen. Look what's around you. Is it worth your life? Because eventually it will take your life."

Support is available for anyone affected by intimate partner violence. You can access support services and local resources in Canada by visiting this website. If your situation is urgent, please contact emergency services in your area.

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Male domestic violence and male mental health in general is not talked about enough in the media, or within homes. There are countless studies and statistics outlining the underrepresentation of support for male victims of IPV, depression, and other mental health issues. Due to the "be a man" stigma, many men suppress their emotions, not take advantage of available resources, or don't ask for help in any capacity. Opening the conversation in your own home with your male friends and family to ensure they feel seen, heard, and supportive, is so important.

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Personally, I do not think male victims are talked about enough in any capacity. Although our dialogue is increasing and gaining awareness for domestic abuse and victims/survivors, these people discussed are rarely the cases that involve men. As mentioned in the lecture, the media often does not cling onto stories of male victims of abuse, as they do not fit the "perfect" or "ideal" victim narrative. With the newly and highly publicized case of Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard, I think we begin to see the complexities of abusive relationships, and the biases of gender dynamics. Although this case sparked some meaningful and necessary dialogue in the media concerning male victims, I believe this is only a small step in shedding light on the darkness and isolation for ALL victims of Intimate Partner Violence.

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The topic of domestic homicide and abuse in regards to males being the victims is rarely talked about. This is due to the low reports men do when experiencing abuse from their significant other because of the male stigma of having to "man up" or "be a man". So men reporting that their 5 foot girlfriend is beating them, would fear being ridiculed for letting it happen cause they are usually a lot larger and stronger. I also believe when men do open up about being abused people do not take them seriously and shy them away because women in our society are mainly seen as victims of domestic abuse rather than being an actual abuser.

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i don't think that male domestic homicide is talked enough. Just as any other cases where the victim is male, there is so much stigma surrounding the men being a victim that it isn't brought up and the men just continue to suffer until they can find a way out. I think men are embarrassed to admit theyve been a victim to abuse, that they arent "strong" or any other stereotype so it is underreported

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Similar to sexual assault cases where males are the victim, male victim domestic violence or homicide is a discourse not brought up often due to stigma and cultural notions that men are stronger and cannot be assaulted by a woman. This is unfortunate as there are real cases where male victims suffer death but their stories are not mentioned. One such case is Simon Gilchrist who was murdered by his girlfriend in 2004. His mother later admitted that she did not notice the signs of abuse on her son because he was a man.

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I do think it is not talked about enough, unfortunately it is strongly tied to societal views of what being a man should look like.

Simon Gilchrist was 23 when his girlfriend Caroline Mawhood stabbed him to death at their flat in York in 2004. His own mother admits that the warning signs she saw in the years before his death were brushed off easily by herself and others because of outdated gender behaviour and relationship biases.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-61150257

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Jose Linnane is working with North Yorkshire Police to raise awareness of male domestic abuse

A mother whose son was murdered by his girlfriend has said the domestic abuse of males is all too often dismissed as men just being "under the thumb".

Simon Gilchrist was 23 when Caroline Mawhood stabbed him to death at their flat in York in 2004.

His mother, Jose Linnane, said the signs her son was the victim of domestic abuse "didn't register so much" because he was a man.

Mrs Linnane is now working with police to raise awareness of the issue.

Describing how her son had changed during his relationship with Mawhood, Mrs Linnane said: "There was a little spark missing. His phone would go constantly. He didn't see his friends much.

"At first I thought, that's natural in a relationship and working full-time, but then it was like he couldn't do anything.

"I noticed a couple of marks on his face. In my stomach it didn't feel right, but he brushed it off."

"I believe because Simon was male it didn't register so much."

Mrs Linnane added: "If my daughter had been getting umpteen phone calls, I would've said, 'that's not right'. Her group of girlfriends would say the same.

"But a group of men would say, 'you're under the thumb' and she'd be seen as a nagger."

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Simon Gilchrist managed to call for help from a pay phone outside his flat after the attack, but died later in hospital

When Mr Gilchrist was attacked by Mawhood with a kitchen knife in a drunken rage in July 2004, he managed to call 999 from a phone box outside the couple's flat in Bell Farm Avenue.

He was taken to hospital but later died.

Caroline Mawhood denied murder but was subsequently found guilty following a trial at Leeds Crown Court and was jailed for life.

She must serve at least 12 years of her sentence before being considered for parole.

'Gut feeling'

Mrs Linnane is now working with North Yorkshire Police to help highlight the issue of male domestic abuse.

Insp Clare Crossan, from the force, said: "We should never assume it's just a female that can be a victim at the hands of a male.

"Anyone can be a victim of domestic abuse: it cuts across gender, class, all parts of society. So, we should be equally tuned in as to whether a victim is male or female."

Insp Crossan said domestic abuse could be violence, but equally it could be controlling or coercive behaviour.

"If you're concerned about a member of your family or a friend, please don't take it as read they're okay. Have that conversation with them and don't just be a bystander," she added.

"Have some further chats around whether they actually are all right - and if your gut feeling is that something is wrong, you may well be right."

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Insp Clare Crossan asked people concerned about possible domestic abuse against men not to be a 'bystander'

The Respect charity, which runs a helpline for male victims of domestic abuse called the Men's Advice Line, said it had seen an increase in calls in the past year.

It took more than 32,600 calls in 2021, up from 22,323 in 2019.

Ippo Panteloudakis, from the charity, said: "There's still a stigma around male domestic abuse - a fear of being ridiculed and laughed at and not believed. Society needs to change to accept male victims.

"Saying men are 'under the thumb' is unacceptable. Laughing at someone is unacceptable. We need to change society as a whole."

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The mother of a York man murdered by his partner says she wants to raise awareness of the issue.

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Weissenberg and his girlfriend lived together, shared a bank account and followed the same day-to-day routine. The abuse began on a holiday when the hotel they stayed in didn't meet Weissenberg's expectations and she wanted him to complain to the hotel manager but he refused. In response she began to slap him around the head and scream at him. Afterward she attempted to justify her outburst by telling him about her troubled childhood and abuse in previous relationships. As the years went on the emotional dependency grew and she began to track his every moment and dictate what he did/where he went. This went on for 6 years and Weissenberg ended up in the emergency room on multiple occasions with cuts and broken bones.
When Weissenberg eventually escaped this situation he began a self-help group that offers counseling for men in crisis situations and safe places to take refuge in.

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Males being victims of domestic violence is statistically rare, so it is not talked about enough, however, it is also likely underreported since most men may not see it as abuse when it technically is (e.g. girlfriend slapping you for forgetting anniversary). As for more aggressive types of abuse, I think some men are embarrassed to admit they are victims of abuse, especially abuse from a female. I think this comes from the toxic patriarchal culture that we live under where men feel obligated to be strong and dominant and women are supposed to be docile and harmless. I think with the Johnny Depp case male victims may feel more comfortable with coming forward.

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No I do not believe male victims of domestic homicide is talked about nearly enough. With where we are at as a society you would think the stigma around male masculinity would be lifted. I agree with Jenna with how she talks about how men are ridiculed for when they share their emotions and experiences. Men are constantly placed upon a double standard and neglected when it comes to mental health. And when they are the victims of homicide, they are talked about in a fashion that doesn't necessarily justify it but in most cases brushes it off because they are men "who should be able to handle it". Where if it was a child or woman, uproar would ensue.

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This is a case study of Katherine Knight that brutally murdered her husband after continual abuse throughout their relationship. She had also been very abusive in past relationships towards her partners but had never actually got to the murder stage until her last partner John Price. In past relationships she would have been the sole perpetrator, and in some cases the the continuum of abuse would have reached System of Violence, however in the case of her partner John, the continuum of abuse reached the Sole Victim stage. I will not put the details of the killing as they are quite horrible but feel free to follow the link to read her story.

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I have never thought that male domestic violence and male sexual assault have been acknowledged enough and the stigma behind males being victims is tragic. I used to be in the California Youth Government (2015-2018) and with my position in the senate I wrote and pushed for the approval of additional funds for male victim-focused counseling/support. Due to the differences in societal views between genders, men often feel isolated in their struggle with abuse and assault because of traditional gender roles and masculinity. Being taken advantage of or abused by a woman (or other men) degrades the male victim and causes an internal fracture of one's masculinity, which leads to feelings of inferiority and shame, ultimately resulting in low reporting from male victims. From the presentation, 1/9 men are victims but that only accounts for the reported cases. In actuality, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was more like 1/6. When I investigated male abuse and rape statistics for my previous position, I uncovered that abuse and SA/R cases that occur in the prison system are not included in the general statistics... yet I'm sure everyone has heard a prison joke about dropping the soap. In a national survey of incarcerated individuals from prisons, jails, correctional facilities, etc, 10% of them have been victims of SA/R while in prison, and more than 1/3 of these victims have reported being assaulted more than 3 times. in the US alone, there are 2 million incarcerated individuals, 10% of that would be 200,000 victims that are not reported in the general statistics.

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I don`t think male victim domestic homicide is talked about nearly enough. Society is still caught in the idea that "men need to behave like men" and the whole issue around toxic masculinity. Men are often ridiculed when they come out to share their experiences with domestic abuse, sexual abuse ect. because they`re bigger and should be able to stop the women. It is really an unfortunate double standard that exists today.