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What events or moments make the two wish for death? Are they the same? (does the Creature wish for death when he feels lonely? Does Victor wish for death when he feels guilt? or?). What implications might it have if those moments are different?

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It is blurring the line between life and death because Victor can create life, but if that life does not want to live, then there is no point.

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it's important to keep in mind the kinds of knowledge he's thirsty for - he doesn't become a scientest, after all, but learns language, history, political philosophy, and moral philosophy. How does this knowledge compare to Victor's curriculum?

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"Often I say I was tempted to plunge into that silent lake that the waters my close over me and my calamities forever."

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There's irony in the fact that the creation has the ability and mental capacity to formulate the deaths of Victor's love ones; it is a patriarchal figure being killed by the son, and this ties back to Victor's mother being killed due to her maternal instincts when treating Elizabeth. "Elizabeth was saved, but the consequences of this imprudence were fateful to her preserver." Neither took the time to recognize further consequences than their initial actions.

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by "reading" the letters meant for Walton's sister, the reader is pulled into the story as audience, while still being positioned at home in England. The various viewpoints also help prevent taking Victor as simply crazy - we wouldn't trust him if he were the sole narrator. Note that his means the story is also a composite of different parts. . .

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We believe there are different frame narratives to show different perspectives throughout the novel. It allows us to see different sides of the story in a new context.

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The creator is the more monstrous because he breaks the divine order in pursuit for a legacy that will withstand time. "A new species would bless me as its creator and source; many happy and excellent natures would owe their being to me" (55). Humans are imperfect even though we are created from perfection (God). How would a human so imperfect create something perfect? "God in pity, made man beautiful and alluring , after his own image; but my form is a filthy type of yours, more horrid even from the very resemblance" (133). The ability to create something so "horrid" and "filthy" is much worse than that of being the creation. The creature here is the victim.

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It is worth noting that the creation is not intended to be a monster prior to his inception. He is made of humans, so physically, he is very much like one. Mentally, his mind is a blank slate. He is not born wanting to kill; his mind absorbs negativity because this is what he is dealt with.

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The different frames provide a variety of perspectives that give each character's background more meaning. Walton and Victor are similar in their desires for fame and reputation. They also bring a family aspect to the narrative. All of the different points of view are different points in victor's life by showing his work from various view points , it builds the narrative. Yes don't recreate life it will only be monstrous.

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"Inflamed by pain, I vowed eternal hatred and vengeance to all mankind"
- The creature was born an innocent being as if he were a child discovering the world. It is his abandonment by Victor and his rejection by the Delaceys that leads to him birthing hatred in his mind and with his strength this become monstrosity.

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Every narrative has their own ideas and stories within the text. Without the multiple narratives it would be difficult to get a deeper insight into the story.

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the creature's vengeance is a product of his abandonment. "if I cannot inspire love", the creature says, "I will cause fear" (150). The creature begins innocent, holding on to hopes of companionship, but is made wretched by others.

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The Creature's thirst for knowledge, rather than taking away from his monstrous nature, enhances his humanity. When reading Paradise Lost, he says it "excited different and far deeper emotions" and "moved every feeling of wonder and awe. (132)" This symbolizes how the more he reads and becomes educated, the more he appreciates the humanistic emotions.

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"The dissecting room and the slaughter-house furnished many of my materials; and often did my human nature turn with loathing from my occupation, whilst, still urged on..." p.55 -Frankenstein
This work shows his loss of humanity in his creation of the monster and only when it comes to life does he realize his mistake.

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"If the multitude of mankind knew of my existence, they would do as you do, and arm themselves for my destruction" P. 103
Shelley making the creature have human-like qualities allow the audience to sympathize with the creature. The creature has excellent reasoning of saying "why would I not kill humans if they would kill me".

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the fact that the monster exhibits the capacities of human nature - reason, emotion - shows that it is very much human.

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"With this deep consciousness of what they owed towards the being to which they had given life, added to the active spirit of tenderness that animated both, it may be imagined that while during every hour of my infant life I received a lesson of patience, of charity, and of self-control, I was so guided by a silken cord that all seemed but one train of enjoyment to me."
- Since Victor grew up in a house that was full of love he had all the means to avoid that path that he took. He should have learned how to treat a living being.
- He did not give the same love and devotion to his creation as his parents gave to him. So while the monster had the potential to be human, it was Victors lack of emotional support and abandonment that ultimately lead to the creature being vengeful.
- He is told by his professors to abandon the path he has taken

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"I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel, whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed." p.103  Adam was a monster in the beginning
because he wasn't like everyone else. The monster had no control over his creation however, his creator did. The monster was the creators vision.

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Yes as seen in the quote, " They often, I believe, suffered... for several times they placed food before the old man when they reserved none for themselves." "This trait of kindness moved me sensibly." p.114 -Creature

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Victor creating such a composite being links his creature to the creation of Eve from Adam's rib. This shows a symbolic relationship between Frankenstein, and God in Paradise Lost. Both take great care in creating their beings, and then forsake them. "Remember, that I am thy creature; I ought to be thy Adam; but I am rather the fallen angel, whom though drivest from joy for no misdeed." (p. 89)

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The creature was not initially created in motivation of destruction, or anything wicked. The monster's yearning for vengeance is a result of reoccurring abandonment.
Victor his creator was the first to abandon the monster. This is a theme constantly surfacing to the monster later in the text. The monster sought love, but was met violence and fury. After the monster had been struck by Felix whom he adored he said "My heart sunk within me as with bitter sickness and I refrained" (137). Soon after the want of love the feelings of anger overthrew the monster. The monster states "I declared everlasting war against the species" (143).  Anger and hatred are induced feelings from events of the present or past. These feelings are not inherited

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"the uncouth and inarticulate sounds which broke from me frightened me into silence again."
- This quality of the creature being frightened by his own voice is sympathetic and humanizing.

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The creatures abandonment caused the vengeance because he was isolated from mankind. Because nobody could stand the sight of him, he turned on mankind and vowed to get revenge.
"I am alone, and miserable; man will not associate with me" P.146

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" Shall each man,  find a wife for his bosom, and each beast have his mate, and I be alone ? " - p.172 Creature

This quote shows that the creature is a product of his abandonment.

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We agree in that it is more monstrous to create a monster, as the Creature's evil tendencies only arose once Victor abandoned him; it is a creator's duty to take care of their created, but in not doing so, Victor triggered a vengeful monster. As the Creature states, "[He] was benevolent and good; misery made [him] a fiend." Perhaps if Victor had taken care of him and nurtured him as he was nurtured, the Creature would have turned out differently.

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Frankenstein being a book grounded  around creation, what is the significance behind the two central characters constantly contemplating death?

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Frankenstein being a book grounded  around creation, what is the significance behind the two central characters constantly contemplating death?

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Does the creature's thirst for knowledge about mankind make him less of a monster?

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Does the creature's thirst for knowledge about mankind make him less of a monster?

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What purpose do the multiple frame narratives serve in the text?

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What purpose do the multiple frame narratives serve in the text?

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How does each character and their stories overlap to create the narrative?
Is Victor's creation meant to serve as a lesson for every man?

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 Is the Creature's vengeance a product of his creation or abandonment?

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 Is the Creature's vengeance a product of his creation or abandonment?

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What was symbolic about Shelley making Victor make his creature so composite? 

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What was symbolic about Shelley making Victor make his creature so composite? 

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Is it more monstrous to be a monster or to create one ? 

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Is it more monstrous to be a monster or to create one ? 