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I believe that tan doesn't depict women correctly. She believes that Chinese women aren't able to do things on their own for example in this conversation,  "How does she want it?" asked Mr. Rory. He thinks I do not understand English. He is floating his fingers through my hair. He is showing how his magic can make my hair thicker and longer.”

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The Joy Luck Club begins with Jing-mei's story and continues with the mothers' stories, the daughters' stories form the center, and then the novel cycles back to the mothers and ends with Jing-mei.

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I believe that Tan depicts men as still having the dominance and power in the relationships among the women.  Even so, the women were still extremely influential over the men. For example, the mother chooses the sons wife. Although the wife had no say, neither did the son. This happened with Lindo Jong and Tyan-Yu in the chapter The Red Candle.

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In the book the book mainly is about women and doesn't really hit a solid topic of men.

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To start off, Amy Tan explains all the stereotypes or effects gender has in how gender was so important to the culture and time period of this book, but it honestly depends on how people view the Chinese culture. Personally, Tan really addressed and showed the impacts and effects gender had in this culture and time period. Based upon specifically how the book depicts women, for example, in the prologue, page 3, Tan describes an old woman cooing to a swan and, saying to it, "In America I will have a daughter just like me. But over there nobody will say her worth is measured by the loudness of her husband’s belch. Over there nobody will look down on her, because I will make her speak only perfect American English." This shows how in this time period the book is set, the worth of women were measured by their husband’s wealth and power but this old woman wants her daughters to live a different culture to this and not feel inferior.

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The Joy Luck Club I believe, depicts women to wives, to be loyal and always obedient to their husbands. Doing certain tasks such a cooking, taking care of the children and husband, be overall be dependent on the husband. However I think the women are still an essential part in relationships even though they are pushed aside to such a limiting role. In chapter 3, “The Red Candle” Lindo Jong expresses, ”In front of his parents, I was an obedient wife, just as they taught me. I instructed the cook to kill a fresh young chicken every morning and cook it until pure juice came out. I would strain this juice myself into a bowl, never adding any water. I gave this to him for breakfast, murmuring good wishes about his health. And every night I would cook a special tonic soup called tounaui, which was not only very delicious but has eight ingredients that guarantee long life for mothers. This pleased my mother-in-law very much.” (pg. 57)

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I believe that The joy Luck club depicts women very well but also like very sentimental because they seem to be needing help from things that have happened to them.

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I believe that The joy Luck club depicts women very well but also like very sentimental because they seem to be needing help from things that have happened to them.

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Tan is not fair in the way she depicts both genders as throws males, especially Asian men, in a bad light. The women are presented as weak-willed people at first, but as the book progresses, they become stronger. However, for Asian men, she is too harsh on them as they were biased since they were in the view of the women.  Lindo Jong was forced to marry a man and was taught to be obedient and serve her husband. However, Jong describes the husband as someone who is selfish or heartless as, on page 50, it states, "He complained the soup was not hot enough and then spilled the bowl as if it were an accident. He waited until I had sat down to eat and then would demand another bowl of rice.”

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I agree with Alyssa because throughout the story different things were said about how the male figures were either abusive or they cheated on the female. And I believe that men were depicted very well because of their Chinese culture. For example, in chapter 11 on page 219 , Rose Hsu states, “Ted pulled out the divorce papers and stared at them. His x’s were still there, the blanks were still blank. "

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i agree with alyssa becuase to me in the story, it manily talks about sort of heart break that the men cause the women and how its not really much of

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But still, Tan depicts men as the providers for the women. Men or sons also had more worth in the family, as seen by this quote by An-Mei’s mother “A son can never go to somebody elses house to live. If he went, he would lose any hope for the future."

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Although the novel focuses on how similar the generations are in spirit, it is physical appearance that makes Waverly and Jing-mei realize they are truly their mothers' daughters. Lindo Jong's discussion of Chinese and American faces creates a turn in the story line. It is a confirmation that the mothers have become as American as the daughters are Chinese. While we have witnessed the daughters' struggles with dual identity, this is the first time we realize how much American culture-the daughters' culture-affects the mothers as well. In fact, when Lindo returned to China on a trip, she was not even seen as Chinese.  I can relate this to myself because I was born in the United States but taken to Mexico right after so that my mom could finish her studies.  So I know what the parents feel because once I came back to the US I had no idea how to speak English nor did I know their culture so it took sometime to get used to the big change. Even though neither my mom or myself knew anything about the US culture my father brought us over here and we just followed.  For this reason I believe that in the Joy Luck Club women are depicted to be loyal and always obedient to their husbands.

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I think Tan portrays men as the provider for their wives, but also the cause of unhappiness within the 4 daughters in the book.  In the chapter, “Waiting between the trees” Ying-Ying expresses her thoughts as “How could I not love this man? But it was the love of a ghost.” Which meant she held a devoted love for her husband, but he loved her transparently, as a ‘ghost’, which meant he did not feel the same way or it wasn’t a real love. Like how Chinese cultures and traditions in AP world, society was mostly patriarchal and women were taught to love and be dependent their husbands. (like the practice of foot binding)

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Personally, based on the time period of this book is set in, Tan does a well job of depicting men correctly as they were in this chinese culture. For example, in chapter 11 on page 219 , Rose Hsu states, “Ted pulled out the divorce papers and stared at them. His x’s were still there, the blanks were still blank. "What do you think you’re doing? Exactly what?" he said. And the answer, the one that was important above everything else, ran through my body and fell from my lips: "You can’t just pull me out of your life and throw me away." This one specific event shows the readers that men were very demanding and were in control during this time period which makes sense because women were portrayed as inferior and submission.

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This book depicts women as people who can’t fend for themselves and need someone to help them through their own thoughts. For example, "But if he is not a citizen, you should immediately do number two." Now don't exactly know what this means but from my perspective it means that if you find an american man make sure he is able to support you and if he can't then just leave... any thoughts on that?

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One question I do have though is the book is called, "The Joy Luck Club," but as the book goes on, there really isn't a reference to this club as much as it was in the first chapter and so I want to know what the purpose of Amy Tan is of not referencing the joy luck club towards the end of the book.

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I also believe that Tan depicts women as very powerful. Although this is hard to see, I believe that there is an underlying message throughout the story about silent strength and silent power of women.  Although in China women had no power in their lives or in the world, in the book the women have a greater power. The women have a silent power and silent strength, having control without the knowledge of their peers. (Ex: Lindo Jong unhappy in arranged marriage, tricks family with silent strength and goes to america.)

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In addition, in chapter 3, Lindo Jong states on page 45, “Because I was promised to the Huangs’ son for marriage, my own family began treating me as if I belonged to somebody else.” This exemplifies the fact that the book depicts women as people who needed and couldn’t live without a husband and how in this chinese culture, getting married was such a big deal that women were treated strictly and poorly by their family members and were constantly under pressure and stress.This quote shows the submission women are depicted as that now Tan is addressing the fact that they shouldn’t be under submission but be independent women. On the other hand for men, just like I stated in the what about men section about how men were demanding and controlling portrayed by a specific event when Ted was asking for a divorce and got furious when Rose rejected, this shows how Tan is being fair or did a good job in her depiction of men. This is because as stated before, during this time, men demanded and were expected power and glory and if a woman disobeyed, the men's pride were greatly damaged.

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The book depicts women as people who are strong-willed despite appearing so weak. Tan shows their faults in the story, but shows their progress as characters as they become stronger.

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Throughout the book what do you guys believe the climax was?

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Don't you guys think that names are crucial to the last two chapter because we first hear about Waverly's name from her, and in a slightly ironic tone; she suggests that her mother named her after their street only so she would sound American, not realizing that "Waverly Place" is a strange name for a child. Even after realizing that she wants Lindo to help Rich understand the Chinese part of her, Waverly still misunderstands what is Chinese, seeing it as backwards. But Waverly's very name affirms that she cannot escape her heritage or her mother; as American as it is, it means that she can never leave her roots behind. Jing-mei also spends most of the book unaware of the affirmation encoded in her name. Suyuan not only has a wish, but also expresses it, because her name means "long-cherished wish." After Suyuan's death, Jing-mei's mission becomes to fulfill that wish, but in fact, she has been fulfilling the wish since birth. Suyuan has always thought of Jing-mei as the "essence of." She saw in Jing-mei enough spirit to live for all three of her daughters, should the other two be dead. Hard as they might try at times, neither Waverly nor Jing-mei can escape her mother, the one who named her, the one whose spirit she shares.

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One question I have is can you guys relate to how Tan depicts Men and Women? I believe that some of the the ways she depicts men and women are still present in todays time. I personally still feel like men are seen as the "dominant figure in a family" and the caretaker for the family.

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I agree with Alyssa as Tan does depict males as having dominance and power over women. I still believe that it applies to even today, though it's not as obvious since we don't like to see it that way. However, the portrayal of men in this book made them seem sort of careless, as in the case with Waverly Jong and her husband Rich who, when her mom said her food wasn't good, he agreed and said to just add soy sauce, which was seen as a type of insult.

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So there's common theme shared with all the 4 daughters and their husbands is that they have problems with their marriage, why do you think they still find unhappiness with their marriage even though they have it easier than their mothers?