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Responding to Aryanas question on the Jewish image it’s and the wealthy family’s. I think its all based of opportunity’s both groups had opportunity’s that carved a path towards their success. I believe Gladwell is trying to say is everyone has opportunity’s but it wont matter unless you take that opportunity and build from it..

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I agree with what Betsy said about how the diction of “merely good” when describing musicians has an effect on Gladwell’s argument on what success looks like. I think it highlights the fact that outliers must go the extra mile to achieve mastery and not just be slightly accomplished at their profession. An example of this is how Gladwell discusses the requirement to do 10,000 hours which is an unbelievable amount of time, but also necessary in order to be noticed in a competitive environment.

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Do you think that if everyone was raised in the same way, we would have more or less successful people by societies standards?

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I agree with Ariana in the sense that a background does effect how successful someone does in life but I would like to add that  but it is also based off of personal grit.

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I agree with Aryana’s point that some people can show promise at a young age and therefore receive more attention from coaches or teachers, but I’d also like to add how natural talent could be seen in one’s drive to get better in a field of study. Some people may already have this drive, like Bill Gates and Bill Joy, and this may appear to be natural talent; however, some may find a large motivation to get in 10,000 hours of practice when they are recognized for being “naturally skilled”. For instance, I think that the elite hockey players born in later months of the year must have had extreme drive to practice hockey since they didn’t have a “relative age” advantage.

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Going off of Gladwell’s consistent use of patterns, Gladwell uses the parallel of Harlan and Rosetta to compare and contrast about how culture and environment can shape how someone goes through life, how it impacts our everyday life. Although, why does Gladwell decide to separate Rosetta and Harlan with four chapters if they are parallels to each other?

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After analyzing and reading through Gladwell’s theories and claims, how has your view of the systems around us changed?

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I agree with Aryana that you shouldn’t let society’s or the people around you ideas get in the way of your idea of success. Some people might judge a person for not having children or not having a certain job but that person might be way happier than the people judging him and is successful for not letting other people sway his ideas.

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I agree with Aryana in that Gladwell believes that in order to be successful, one must have the opportunity to do so. It’s a fact, however, that success necessitates the use of innate qualities. Without the passion to drive themselves or the natural ability to hold their own against the competition, how would one recognize they have an opportunity or be able to take it?

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I agree with Sofie in the sense that success is proved, not by society, but by ones own self. I would like to add that my definition of success is the idea that success is achieving something that you truly care about and leaving the world better than the way you found it.

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After having thoroughly analyzing Gladwell’s claims and supporting evidence given in his book Outliers, how should we treat people that are unsuccessful in life? Should they be supported or left to their own devices? Are they at fault for their shortcomings or did other factors play a role?

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Why does each of Gladwell's claims necessitate such a comprehensive and detailed analysis of the underlying phenomena? Take the concept of "culture of honor," for example. Gladwell spends much time explaining it because it's complex, but aren't the true things in this world supposed to be simple?

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I agree with Aryana and Lucy that putting in the time and the work is going to be the hardest part. It’s hard finding the time to practice and put in those hours while juggling every day activities it’s going to be extremely hard to get to that 10,000 mark. I also feel like people tend to quit when they don’t see results as fast as they want to see them, people often get discourage and don't want to keep putting in the time and effort.

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I agree with Aryana’s claim that natural talent and luck have a large impact on the success of a person wether in sports or in life.

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I disagree with their Aryana and Lucys claims about the 10,000 hour rule being discouraging, It gives people who don’t have the most raw skill and talent can outwork others and the number gets blown out of proportion because of how big it is; people can’t become a professional at something in a year. If you grow up playing a sport and you love doing it you are happy to spend more time playing it per day and over time given the most amount of practice you can will develop you into the best version of yourself you can be.

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I agree with Aryana because just knowing 10,000 hours is the threshold for innate success will set many lot back. That is a daunting number. I wonder how many of today’s biggest successful people would have been set back thinking they don’t have time to put in 10,000 hours.

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I agree with Lucy’s statement that a lot of people can’t put in the 10,000 hours that Gladwell says is vital for success. Most people can’t put in three or four hours a day every day for multiple years; there are outside commitments people have.

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Do you think that raw talent has anything to do with success, or is it only the opportunities, the luck, and the ambition that matter?

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I agree with Natalie in the sense that 10,000 hours does seem like a lot. I would like to add that how to get to 10,000 hours requires opportunities that spark up.

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I think that the 10,000 hour rule is encouraging, just like Emerson said, because it proves that with the right circumstances, hard work can prevail. I feel like this allows the reader to see that indeed, effort and work pays off, even when it might take long to get results.

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I agree with Aryana that it is very interesting to see the correlation between someone’s hours spent at something and their success, and that it can also discourage people who are less fortunate because of the lack of time and resources available to them.

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Why is Gladwell trying to prove a different claim in every chapter?

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In what ways does Gladwell address counter-arguments and refute them throughout his book? Do you think he’s successful?

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I agree with Rory that practical intelligence is the most important because practical intelligence also allows people to get into areas that they could not do otherwise. A specific example of this in the text is the kids who would be able to talk to adults versus those who could not because the practical intelligence was not there.

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I agree with Zach that practical intelligence and IQ go hand in hand because in order to get in a position where you are able to use your IQ to your advantage, practical intelligence is needed.

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I challenge Ty’s opinion that anyone can be successful, with the ideas that Gladwell offered in the first few chapters. Gladwell highlights the importance of opportunity and practical intelligence, which heavily influence your success.

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I agree with Zach that practical intelligence has a domino affect on many different aspects. Practical skills are a base level for all these opportunities.

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I agree with Ty in that once you have a certain IQ, you can do anything you want. It really matters how you seize your opportunities and push you limits by putting in hard work.

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In the last group especially Aiden, Zach, and Ty mentioned how Gladwell fails to take into account personal success. And how people don’t necessarily have to be successful in school or intelligence to feel fulfilled. Self fulfillment is the ultimate success. Therefore we should really take Gladwell’s claims with a grain of salt.

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I like Aidan's statement and tie with the Beatles and how many bands had opportunities to practice, but lacked drive, work, and ambition to be as good as the Beatles, because that's how they got to where they are now.

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Can someone master a certain hobby or career without 10,000 hours? Can a person who reaches beyond 10,000 hours still not master what they pursue?

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I agree with Ewan that there aren’t many ‘masters’ at certain things, because it takes so much work and dedication that a lot of people aren’t willing to give.

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I agree with Aiden that labeling someone as unsuccessful because they are making less money than someone else is incorrect. The orchestra players that became music teachers are successful, and comparing them to the great orchestra players is not fair when not seeing the full picture of the players’ goals in life.

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I agree with Ellie that success is based off of individual goals. Gladwell often brings up success in terms of billionaires and rockstars when in reality, most people distance themselves from those goals and focus on tangible success.

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Considering Gladwell’s claims do you think a person with no luck can still become as successful or more successful than a person with all the luck but no ambition?

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I agree with what Zach is saying about how success is defined on a personal level, not what society thinks. A person’s success can be seen on different levels. Millionaires can be viewed as successful, but so can people who have jobs that provide free time to do their favorite hobbies. People’s personal definitions of success are dependent on the person’s individual goals.

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I agree with Rory that the idea of success is different for everyone. Some believe that it is wealth, intelligence, or awards. However, others see themselves as successful simply because they get to do what they love like Chris Langan.

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Rory made a good point that Gladwell only really talked about society’s definition of success and the more well-known people that are more economically well off.

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I agree with Zach about his opinion of success. He feels that success is internal and making yourself feel better about your accomplishments is just as important as how other people view you. I would like to add that it’s important what you contribute to society, and doing good, such as community service, can be considered just as successful as a very wealthy person.

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I agree with Ty that success is whatever your own personal success is, and that you can’t compare it to others. Everyone has different goals and expectations of themselves, so it is unfair to compare your idea of success to others.

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I agree with Ben, how success is taking whatever opportunity you have given to you and doing it in your best way.

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I agree with Ty and Zach that success doesn’t always necessarily have to do with the amount of money you have, but instead it’s leading a fulfilling life.

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I agree with what Jordan said about Outliers not being a “self help book.” Outliers is meant to point out patterns and trends and not a description on how to become successful. To understand how the world works and how our society works, you have to understand the patterns to fluidly embed yourself into it.

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I agree with Zach's statement, how you should do what makes you happy and that's success and I think success is subjective too.

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I agree with Jordan that the point of the book is not to convince people that they matter or to “help” them become a bigger part of society. Instead, more so the patterns and the stories of successful people and what they have in common.

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I agree that Gladwell isn’t trying to change society. I believe that Gladwell is trying to let society understand and comprehend these trends and show how they can effect success. Like Jordan said I don’t think Gladwell is trying to change society he is just pointing out the trends and facts.

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How many people in this world have truly worked their way to the top without the help of others and their own advantages(luck)…or can this not truly be accomplished?

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The concept of incredible opportunity is a common theme throughout the many chapters and he uses many different examples, from the Hockey Players to Bill Gates to highlight those different ways that it happened. He also emphasizes hard work in the 10000 hour chapter, which adds to all of his examples in encouraging that hard work.

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Zach’s idea that success isn’t based on what society thinks but what you believe. Someone can accomplish the things they want if they put the work in.

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I agree with Rory, that Gladwell is not attempting to completely change how the world is structured, but understand what it takes to become successful within our current society.

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I agree with what Rory said, how Gladwell isn't trying to change society but rather the systems in that society and changing the perception and understanding of success in society.

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I agree with Rory in that Gladwell wants to make society aware of these trends in success rather than trying to change society.

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I agree with what Aiden said about how success depends on ambitions. People who have talent without drive will go nowhere, you need ambition to push forward into society.

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I agree with Hudson that the idea of luck and the impact this luck has on success. Yet i also agree that hard work impacts your success like his example the president.

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Gladwell’s main claim is that people alone do not become successful, and that there are many outside factors, that make them who they are. Do you think that your achievements/characteristics or outside factors that you can't control, like opportunity or environment, have a bigger impact one’s success?

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I partially agree with the fact that much of success is based off of luck. Although the timing, birthday, and opportunities are all major factors in a person’s success, the decisions they make and the ambition that have it most important.

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Is age important in the intellectual and physical abilities of children?

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I agree with the idea that luck is insanely important in being successful and will add that it also is all about putting yourself in the right place at the right time. It’s putting that hard work in and being dedicated.

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Do you think the 10,000 hour rule discourages people or encourages people to become a master of their hobby?

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