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I think we need to retrain adults in current practices.  When most teachers were younger, their discipline was punishment.  We need to educate our peers in other ways.  (Restorative practices!)

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I think we need to retrain adults in current practices.  When most teachers were younger, their discipline was punishment.  We need to educate our peers in other ways.  (Restorative practices!)

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I agree with Ms. Donnelly-Harris.  Punishments create resentment.  It does not "teach" the proper behavior, but instead uses negative reaction and receive a negative result.

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I agree with Ms. Donnelly-Harris.  Punishments create resentment.  It does not "teach" the proper behavior, but instead uses negative reaction and receive a negative result.

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From the school to prison pipeline to "rehabilitation" I think this has not proven to be a viable option.

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From the school to prison pipeline to "rehabilitation" I think this has not proven to be a viable option.

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Often times it seems we rely on old ideas and practices in a system that has historically seemed to rely on punishment.  The focus on changing the behavior or compliance rather than developing a skill.

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Often times it seems we rely on old ideas and practices in a system that has historically seemed to rely on punishment.  The focus on changing the behavior or compliance rather than developing a skill.

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Students need the ability to learn how to control themselves and act correct.

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Punishment does not work well in the way that we are currently doing it. Looking at a student's behavior by using a more restorative way is much more helpful.

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Unfortunately, I feel like teachers react this way because this was the reaction we received or saw from our teachers growing up. It takes a major effort to change the way that things have been done for so long.

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Punishment works in some situations, but not many. Self-punishment seems to be more motivating then actual punishment. Our systems plan to rehabilitate but using punishment tends to create more recidivism and resentment.

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Punishment works in some situations, but not many. Self-punishment seems to be more motivating then actual punishment. Our systems plan to rehabilitate but using punishment tends to create more recidivism and resentment.

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Often times we assume that children come to us and "should" know a skill, but many times they do not. I have worked aggressively to make no assumptions about my students including their behaviors.

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Often times we assume that children come to us and "should" know a skill, but many times they do not. I have worked aggressively to make no assumptions about my students including their behaviors.

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No. Punishment creates resentment and doesn't teach expected behaviors.

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I believe that behavioral expectations can be different for different people.

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I think our punishment system definitely needs adjusting. But I don't believe that all punishment should be avoided. I think we need to carefully analyze our systems and brainstorm new methods.

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I think there is an assumption that behaviors are being taught in the home. But if they are not, it is not the child's fault.

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Some people feel that there are learning skills that need to be taught by teachers, while they feel behaviors need to be taught by parents. This thinking needs to be adjusted

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Christina Fernandez. Nope. Nope. Nope. It just creates a vicious cycle

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Christina Fernandez. Nope. Nope. Nope. It just creates a vicious cycle

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Christina Fernandez. I think teachers take too much personally and don't get to know the students to figure out why the are misbehaving

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Christina Fernandez. I think teachers take too much personally and don't get to know the students to figure out why the are misbehaving

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I think we may respond differently to behavior because we are not trained and well prepared to deal with behavior as we are with improving a child's academic skills.

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No, not only does it not work well, it is emotionally harmful and will be more costly to society in the long run. Our prison system comes to mind...

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Good question! It does not make any sense to me why this is. Maybe bad behavior somehow offends us on a personal level or we take it personally so have an emotional/irrational response in dealing with it?

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Personally I don't think punishment works well in our society. I actually think it makes matters worse.

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I believe we respond to behavior differently than how we respond to every other time a child lack something based on our emotions/feelings in the moment and our personal belief system when we do see children behaving in ways we deem inappropriate.

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I believe punishment hurts more than helps in our society.

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I believe punishment hurts more than helps in our society.

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I think that we respond differently to  behavior issues because it affects our emotions.  

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I think that we respond differently to  behavior issues because it affects our emotions.  

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I don't think punishment works well in our society. Using positive reinforcement and teaching citizens the expectations will have a much more positive result.

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I think punishment was used in our parents era and it is hard for some adults to not use what they were taught as children.

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I think that punishment was used very often when we grew up and changing the mindset of adults now is sometimes difficult. We as educators are lucky to have all this information on what works and doesn't work for children. Our parents did not have this information and some are still set in those old ways.

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Depends on the severity of the behavior. Elementary aged students, I am not sure punishment is the best route. Teaching, modeling and giving them opportunities to practice and make better choices is the way to go!

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Have we been trained to teach appropriate behaviors? It takes time away from content, but if we take the time we will be able to achieve so much more bc their may be less disruptions. It may also be due to us all being brought up with different ideas of behavior.

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Punishment does not really work in our society as people need to learn or be taught how to behave differently.

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I think we are not trained as well how to teach good behavior and we default to how we were taught as kids.

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Punishment does not seem to work possibly because the rehabilitation factor is not successful.

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Punishment does not seem to work possibly because the rehabilitation factor is not successful.

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I think it takes time to train students to behave appropriately in class. It is more helpful if school and home are modeling similar expectations (obviously you don't need to raise your hand at home). 

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I think it takes time to train students to behave appropriately in class. It is more helpful if school and home are modeling similar expectations (obviously you don't need to raise your hand at home). 

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Lack of time. It takes time from class and curriculum to teach behavior. It's hard to find time to teach a student behavior 1 on 1 and not in front of the whole class. 

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Lack of time. It takes time from class and curriculum to teach behavior. It's hard to find time to teach a student behavior 1 on 1 and not in front of the whole class. 

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Doesn't seem to be the most effective method 

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Doesn't seem to be the most effective method 

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Upbringing. And sometimes our reaction is response to how the student/child is making us feel rather than a reaction geared toward changing the behavior

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Upbringing. And sometimes our reaction is response to how the student/child is making us feel rather than a reaction geared toward changing the behavior

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It's how I was raised and easy to default to. It takes conscious thinking to not revert to punishing either as a teacher or as a parent.

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in some cases yes.  I don't know that the prison system is the best correlation to the school system of behavior...

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in some cases yes.  I don't know that the prison system is the best correlation to the school system of behavior...

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Simplicity, quicker way to deal with it.  we don't always want to put the time into teaching behavior.

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Simplicity, quicker way to deal with it.  we don't always want to put the time into teaching behavior.

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We see bad behavior as a bad thing, and that the person with the bad behavior is fully in control of their behaviors. Bad behavior could be a way a child communicates something, but just doesn't know how to effectively say it. (Laura Orlowski)

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I think it is situational, and dependent on the behaviors and results of that behaviors....I'm thinking of extreme situations in society. For children, punishment doesn't necessarily change behavior. The root of the behaviors needs to be explored. (Laura Orlowski)

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It depends on the situation

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I think we always think behavior is bad and it annoys us more. We need to change our mindset about behavior instead of "punishing" the behavior, ask "what need isn't being met with this student?" "what is this student trying to tell me?"

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Not always

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I think we respond this way because the behavior is usually disruptive to the class. We feel it needs to be corrected, so that it isn't disruptive to other students and their learning.

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I think it is because of the distraction to other students in the classroom and we don't think about teaching appropriate behaviors. I think it also varies by grade level. By high school, we tend to think students should know the expectations.

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Like most everyone else here, I agree that it doesn't work. My question is what are some concrete options for the classroom.

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Demko: Generally the way we uses punishment does not work because it is miss applied. There need to be goals and an understanding of consequences if some kind of punishment is considered.

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Demko: Generally the way we uses punishment does not work because it is miss applied. There need to be goals and an understanding of consequences if some kind of punishment is considered.

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Demko: We don't blame a student when they don't know something. We do when they misbehave because it hits us emotionally. We feel they need some correction instead of education.

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Demko: We don't blame a student when they don't know something. We do when they misbehave because it hits us emotionally. We feel they need some correction instead of education.

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I would say no. We still have crime happening all over the world.

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So, I believe that we respond differently because a negative behavior is something we want to "fix" quick, while we know that other things may require more time. I am not saying it right or okay, but I think that is why we respond differently.

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All we need to do is look at our prison system to realize that it does not work. It is a punishment based system that does not rehabilitate. So many people are in and out and in and out of prison. These are lives that could have been rehabilitated with the proper teaching and support.

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I think it might be because so many times, a child's behavior is disrupting our plans for the class. They become a roadblock to learning for other kids. We feel the need to take care of it quickly, and teaching a behavior feels like it takes more time. (It's definitely worth it in the long run though if we teach a child versus try to deal with the behavior every time...)

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If the goal of punishment (i.e. jail) is to stop bad behavior (in this case, crime), then it doesn't seem to be working since we still have crime.

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I honestly don't know. I guess maybe we feel like poor behavior is a choice.

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Agree with Chelsea....it's the quickest solution, it offers a quick fix. 

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Agree with Chelsea....it's the quickest solution, it offers a quick fix. 

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We respond based on our experience, what we've seen, learned and experienced. 

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We respond based on our experience, what we've seen, learned and experienced. 

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It does not seem to. But it is the simplest method, so we stick with it.

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It does not seem to. But it is the simplest method, so we stick with it.

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We respond differently because we think that others KNOW how to behave and are just choosing to behave in a certain way.

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We respond differently because we think that others KNOW how to behave and are just choosing to behave in a certain way.

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Nope.

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Because that's been the norm and tradition.

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It can work but it depends on the situation

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It can work but it depends on the situation

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no

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Tradition

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Nope-we repeatedly refuse to fix what is wrong with the system.

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Nope-we repeatedly refuse to fix what is wrong with the system.

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I think, when it happens, it is often because our emotions get the best of us. I also think its because sometimes things are extremely desctructive or harmful towards others, which brings punishment in life.  But many parents do not punish because they know it doesn't work as an effective strategy.

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I think, when it happens, it is often because our emotions get the best of us. I also think its because sometimes things are extremely desctructive or harmful towards others, which brings punishment in life.  But many parents do not punish because they know it doesn't work as an effective strategy.

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Looking at the most extreme example of punishment-jail-we can see that it does not work and is not fair. This is true of most other punishment as well, if the only goal of the punishment is to stop the behavior and not to educate the perpetrator.

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Generally, behaviors that we would punish are either emotionally, educationally, or physically harmful behaviors. We punish because that is the gut reaction to either being harmed or seeing someone else being harmed.

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Extrinsically it can work, but we want intrinsic changes. 

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Extrinsically it can work, but we want intrinsic changes. 

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I believe we all respond to behaviors differently.  Until, as adults, we learn how to control our own behaviors, actions and feelings, it will be hard to help young people manage theirs. 

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I believe we all respond to behaviors differently.  Until, as adults, we learn how to control our own behaviors, actions and feelings, it will be hard to help young people manage theirs. 

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Because we react to the situation immediately without thinking or take the behavior personally.

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Because we react to the situation immediately without thinking or take the behavior personally.

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No.

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I think we forgot behavior is an area that needs to be taught.

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NO, the prison system is overflowing with repeat offenders that haven't been given opportunities to get skills needed to be functioning members of society. 

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NO, the prison system is overflowing with repeat offenders that haven't been given opportunities to get skills needed to be functioning members of society. 

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Because a behavior has a direct effect on other peoples learning 

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Because a behavior has a direct effect on other peoples learning 

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Overall, punishment is NOT effective in our society. 

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Overall, punishment is NOT effective in our society. 

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I believe we respond to behavior differently is because we don't take the time and make the effort to do better. 

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I believe we respond to behavior differently is because we don't take the time and make the effort to do better. 

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Not really in society as a whole

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We assume that children have already been taught how to behave in all situations/experiences, but in reality they might not have ever been taught/modeled how to behave in situations.

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Doesn't seem to.
It all depends on the person.
I have seen negative responses as well as positive responses to punishment.

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A quick fix that doesn't work in my opinion is punishment. Communication and restorative practices have worked well in our school.

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Not really, it has, but doesn't prove to be the best strategy.

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Not really, it has, but doesn't prove to be the best strategy.

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Because that has been the societal norm...it's on us to change it.

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Because that has been the societal norm...it's on us to change it.

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I really do not feel qualified to speak on how prisons deal with behavior/ pinishment issues.  However, I have known people who have benefitted from certain programs and I have known some people who have had punishments that have not helped them to change.
Overall, I do not think punishment is helpful at any level. I do not have alternatives in some situations when it comes to adults.

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I think sometimes when a student misbehaves or has a behavior problem it not only impacts the student but impacts other students and staff. We want to stop it immediately before it grows out of control. When a student lacks the ability to do an academic task we can focus on that . Now this is just a general answer and I am aware there are many different situations.

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It can at times. You have to find a balance and you have to find what helps each child.  If a child will really work hard to make sure they don't lose recess then that might be an appropriate punishment (but its also an incentive--they can earn extra).

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It can at times. You have to find a balance and you have to find what helps each child.  If a child will really work hard to make sure they don't lose recess then that might be an appropriate punishment (but its also an incentive--they can earn extra).

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When the behavior is disruptive and/or inappropriate we try to stop that behavior.  When a child is lacking a skill academically we work hard with them to succeed. We need to find how to do this with behavior in our classroom. 

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When the behavior is disruptive and/or inappropriate we try to stop that behavior.  When a child is lacking a skill academically we work hard with them to succeed. We need to find how to do this with behavior in our classroom. 

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Many times there is reasons behind the behaviors and it takes time for those to come to the surface depending on the situation and child. Many times we assume a child should know how to act or react, but that is often not the case or taught at home so it is important to keep that in mind.

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Many times there is reasons behind the behaviors and it takes time for those to come to the surface depending on the situation and child. Many times we assume a child should know how to act or react, but that is often not the case or taught at home so it is important to keep that in mind.

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I have not done a lot of research on it, but I feel like overall it does not result in a positive behavior change on a majority of the population.  

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I have not done a lot of research on it, but I feel like overall it does not result in a positive behavior change on a majority of the population.  

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Not really. For some, yes, but it can create a lot of issues. 

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Not really. For some, yes, but it can create a lot of issues. 

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Behavior can affect everyone around that student. Also, a lot of the times people almost expect certain behaviors from students. 

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Behavior can affect everyone around that student. Also, a lot of the times people almost expect certain behaviors from students. 

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I think at times we react instead of taking the time to equip a student with those skills. 

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I think at times we react instead of taking the time to equip a student with those skills. 

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I also think it's because of what may be going on with us at the time.

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maybe it just depends on the day, time for that person

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maybe it just depends on the day, time for that person

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At this time not sure, everyone is doing their own thing, own ideas

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At this time not sure, everyone is doing their own thing, own ideas

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Right now, no. So much of our society has changed because of the social media element.