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Native Americans were Subject to American Injustice

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Native Americans were Subject to American Injustice

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Native Americans were Subject to American Injustice

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I'm doing a report on 'why was the takeover of Native American Land inevitable?' Do you think you can help me out with this?

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Question 2
Joseph's depiction of the Indians is very different from that of Roosevelt's. Joseph describes his people in a much more positive light, pointing out how they have many morals such as never break a promise and don't tell lies. He also points out how the white men have broken their promises and told many lies. He tells of how the Indians once helped the white men when they were alone and helpless in a new territory, and now they are trying to take all of their land. They are not savages, they have the same desires, families, and much history just like the white man does. I do not agree with Roosevelt when he says that it was inevitable that we had to take the Indians land. I think there could have been many other possibilities that involved a compromise for both parties. For example, the Americans could have just agreed not to travel as far west, and past a certain line the Indians could have all created a sort of country. This country could be their own land and they could go to America only if they want to, not be forced to be "white". I do not think that it was "inevitable" to kill, dehumanize, and steal from the millions of people that were here first.

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Question 2: Joseph believed that the Indians were peaceful and did everything they could coexist with the white men. Roosevelt believed that the Indians were hardly more than savages and should be treated as such. Roosevelt also believed that war was inevitable, while Johnson believed that it could have been prevented. Roosevelt wanted the Indians land and was going to stop at no cost to claim it. He believed that the Indians were being resistant to change, when really the Indians believed with their hearts that the land was theirs and had been since it was their fathers father’s. I agree that the Native Americans would have to move eventually to reserves or somewhere where they would not be in the middle of industry. However, I also understand that it would be very hard to move away from the land that had been passed down through your people from generation to generation. Our country is dominated by industry and I cannot imagine a tribe of Natives living next to a football stadium or a sky scraper.

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Question 1:  President Roosevelt believed that the Indians were “wasting” land the white men could settle upon. He thought of the Indians as savages and did not want them living with the white men. The land out west was very valuable land that the government was giving away for free to anyone that wanted to move out there and would live there for five years and build a house. They knew that the Native Americans lived there and still continued to give the land away. Roosevelt also believes that the Natives have no right to their land as they never owned it. Since there were never fences or boundaries showing where the Natives had claimed, then it was all government land. Joseph showed us that there was a distinct class difference between the white men and the Native Americans. The Natives were belittled and basically dirt on the bottom of the white men’s shoes in Roosevelt’s opinion. The Natives were very far below the white men on the social class ladder and would continue to remain there.

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Question #1

President Roosevelt attitude towards the Natives Americans was that they were savages who wanted to destroy any who wasn't a native. He believed they "esteemed cruelty and treachery as the highest of virtues and rapine and murder as the worthiest of pursuits" and that the men who took their land were victims of these so-called 'worthy pursuits'. Joseph’s account reveals that the class of civilizations between white settlers and American Indians were viewed as levels below the white men on the social ladder when they were really equal people that just lived differently.

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Question #2 Joseph's description of the Indians differ from that of Roosevelts because Joseph describes the Indians as peaceful, cordial, people who only want to live in harmony. Roosevelts description of the Indians was that they were savage and murderous. I do not agree with Roosevelts view that Indians displacement was inevitable because if the Indian were treated corgually, they could've been successful American citizens .

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Question #2        Joseph's description differs from that of Roosevelts because Joseph describes the Indians as peaceful, cordial people who only want to live in harmony. Roosevelts description of the Indians was that they were savage and murderous.

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Roosevelt looks at the Natives Americans as savages. He believed a "war was inevitable" was to occur due to the American belief of Manifest Destiny. He deems that the Native governments was too loose to negotiate a treaty. Chief Joseph thought if their hearts had been more open. He sees his people as kind. He thinks the government was at fault because his people didn't want anything but peace.

I don't agree with the way the United States went about this situation. I do think eventually, the natives were going to have to leave their nomadic ways to make room for the growing nation.

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Question 2
Roosevelt's attitude toward Indians I probably one that a lot of people shares. It was the initial thought that we, Americans, had just as much of right to settle in the west as the Indians. In Roosevelt's argument he called the Native Americans "savages" because that is what they were deem as at that time. People would not think that maybe the Native American were attacking because they were don wrong by another invader of their land. When they do this, the settler then reacts by seeking revenge. This pattern repeats, and will not stop repeating till one side forgives. Roosevelt believed that the Indians were done wrong due to the fact that none of this conflict would of occurred if the initial act was not done, which was the invasion by the white settlers.

Joseph's accounts reveals that the class of civilization between the white settler and the American Indians want extremely unfair. In the begging of his whiteness, he explains the pressure put upon them to sign over their lands. As said on page 33, "you are not a child; I am not a child, I can think for myself" this shows that the settlers and the government thought as the Indians more as a todler that needs to go to day care rather then a human being. The Indian were discriminated against to the point were Joseph starts saying "let me be a freeman...." This is ironic because America was founded on the belief of people having a say, but in this situation, this was not the case.

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Roosevelt's attitude toward Indians I probably one that a lot of people shares. It was the initial thought that we, Americans, had just as much of right to settle in the west as the Indians. In Roosevelt's argument he called the Native Americans "savages" because that is what they were deem as at that time. People would not think that maybe the Native American were attacking because they were don wrong by another invader of their land. When they do this, the settler then reacts by seeking revenge. This pattern repeats, and will not stop repeating till one side forgives. Roosevelt believed that the Indians were done wrong due to the fact that none of this conflict would of occurred if the initial act was not done, which was the invasion by the white settlers.

Joseph's accounts reveals that the class of civilization between the white settler and the American Indians want extremely unfair. In the begging of his whiteness, he explains the pressure put upon them to sign over their lands. As said on page 33, "you are not a child; I am not a child, I can think for myself" this shows that the settlers and the government thought as the Indians more as a todler that needs to go to day care rather then a human being. The Indian were discriminated against to the point were Joseph starts saying "let me be a freeman...." This is ironic because America was founded on the belief of people having a say, but in this situation, this was not the case.

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2. How is Joseph’s description of Indians differ from that of Roosevelt’s? Do you agree with Roosevelt that the Indians’ displacement was inevitable? Why or why not?

Theodore Roosevelt described the Native Americans as dirty red savages who practiced unstable tortures on their captured enemies. Chief Joseph saw his people as good, honest, and kind. He was taught to treat every man as they treated him. I do think that the Indians' displacement was inevitable. When the white men first came, the people divided over whether they were beneficial or harmful to their tribe, which made them easier for the white men to control. When settlers first started to settle on the land, no one complained because because they "said good things" and kept the peace. But then, the white men became greedy when they saw everything that the Indians had that they could benefit from financially, especially their land. When the white men first came to America in 1492, they were searching for land, and here in the 1850's, they still are and will stop at nothing to get it. They also believed that God personally provided the whole country from the Pacific to Atlantic to them through the Manifest Destiny, so they push anyone who's stopping them out of the way.

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Question 1
Roosevelt did not like the Indians. He referred to them as "savages" and "red men". He believed that the Indians did not own the land. He felt that the settlers weren't doing anything wrong by settling out in the west because the land didn't belong to anyone. Joseph's account showed that they did not own the land because no one can own the earth. It showed how missionaries and officials came to persuade the Indians to sign treaties to give the Americans their land. The whites and the Indians did not get along. They only got along after the treaties were signed, usually after bribery from the officials.

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Question 1
Roosevelt did not like the Indians. He referred to them as "savages" and "red men". He believed that the Indians did not own the land. He felt that the settlers weren't doing anything wrong by settling out in the west because the land didn't belong to anyone. Joseph's account showed that they did not own the land because no one can own the earth. It showed how missionaries and officials came to persuade the Indians to sign treaties to give the Americans their land. The whites and the Indians did not get along. They only got along after the treaties were signed, usually after bribery from the officials.

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Roosevelt felt that the Native Americans were below white people. He believed them to be savages, but savages above the others. He also believed that it was okay for their land to be taken because in his opinion, they never had real title to the soil. Joseph's viewpoint was really different from Roosevelt's, considering that he was a chief. He does not like the fact that the Natives were referred to as wild animals. He explains that they had laws and were civilized. He refers to the land as his country and believes that the white man has no right to take itI do agree with Roosevelt when he says that the Indian's displacement was inevitable because the white men wanted to get the free land offered by the Homestead Act, and they wanted to expand in general

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Roosevelt felt that the Native Americans were below white people. He believed them to be savages, but savages above the others. He also believed that it was okay for their land to be taken because in his opinion, they never had real title to the soil. Joseph's viewpoint was really different from Roosevelt's, considering that he was a chief.

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Roosevelt felt that the Native Americans were below white people. He believed them to be savages, but savages above the others. He also believed that it was okay for their land to be taken because in his opinion, they never had real title to the soil. Joseph's viewpoint was really different from Roosevelt's, considering that he was a chief.

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Question #2 -

Roosevelt had the typical white citizens' view on the matter of manifest destiny and westward expansion during the time period. While a good man in many aspects, his views were askew due to the immediate exposure to the situation that was arising between the two races. Forced to choose a side, he held his opinions as truth, perhaps because so many others agreed.

While Roosevelt saw the Native Americans as savages and nothing but a threat with barbaric traditions and war-related tendencies, Joseph was a man of peace and a stubbornness to maintain it. Roosevelt acknowledges that the treatment that the Native Americans received was cruel, but he thought it fair because of the wrongs he saw in what they did. Joseph's side shows a less provocative race, one of grace and appreciation for what they have and their relationship with nature, while the white men sought to conquer and selfishly took land that did not belong to anyone but mother nature herself, or the Great Spirit Chief they spoke so fondly of.

Roosevelt's opinion of the inevitability of the displacement of the Native Americans is very egotistical and biased. Drawing points made from both Roosevelt's and Joseph's arguments, and seeing how different they are, it raises the question of which one was in the wrong. While Roosevelt uses reasoning like revenge and a right to take the land as it did not truly belong to the Natives, Joseph speaks of the hardships he faced that were inflicted by the white men. They pushed and pushed, while Joseph only recounts the violence of the youth of his people after many years of pent up anger hidden behind peace and patience. Josephs keeps saying that he does not wish to harm anyone. He does not want to kill white men and he does not want the white men to kill any of his people, and he makes his decisions based on that motivation. Furthermore, he did not want to leave the land where all of his people were born and where all those that have passed are buried.

In conclusion, Roosevelt's view of the inevitability is incorrect, and violence and displacement could have easily been avoided had the white men left the Native Americans alone, or perhaps become allies with them instead of viewing them as an obstacle in their greedy need for more and more, which they repeatedly show they are never satisfied with.

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Roosevelt felt that the Native Americans were below white people. He believed them to be savages, but savages above the others. He also believed that it was okay for their land to be taken because in his opinion, they never had real title to the soil. Joseph's viewpoint was really different from Roosevelt's, considering that he was a chief.

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Overall Roosevelt believed that the American Indians were savages whose displacement was inevitable. While Joseph as an American Indian described them as peaceful people who wanted to show the white men their ways. Although the displacement of the Indians was not right, I believe it was inevitable. The American men were bound to head west despite the American Indians already being settled there. The American Indians although a strong force were unable to come together to fend off the incoming force of white men. The Americans wanted the land of the American Indians and due to their extreme differences were unwilling to share.
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2. Both Joseph and Roosevelt had very different views on what was happening during this period of time. Joseph seemed to think that the war could have been prevented while Roosevelt stated that the war was inevitable. Joseph stated that the war could have been easily prevented "If General Howard had given me plenty of time to gather up my stock, and treated Too-hool-hool-suit as a man should be treated, there would have been no war..." when they were asked to move to the reservation. He saw no other way to avoid war, he had to give in and move. Roosevelt states very early on in his excerpt that "war was inevitable; and even had we been willing, and had we refrained from encroaching on the Indians' lands, the war would have come nevertheless" or the Indians at some point would infringe on their land. Also, Joseph and Roosevelt had different views on ownership in general, as well as land. Roosevelt actually acknowledged the different understandings of ownership saying "the Indians had no ownership of the land in the way which er understand the term." Roosevelt and the other people with a similar point of view defined ownership as buying it or paying for it, you could not just own it. The Americans tried to trick the Indians into signing treaties to grant them ownership to the land, but since the Indians wanted to avoid war, they were forced to sign the treaties to do so. The Indians thought that if they gave up some of the land the Americans would leave them alone, but they were mistaken. Joseph observed that the Americans did not treat the land in the same way he and the Indians did. The Indians saw the land as something sacred and beautiful and it belonged to no one, while the Americans saw the land as something they could build upon and improve. I agree with Roosevelt the eventually the Indians would be displaced. However, I do believe that the displacement of the Indians did not have to be so fast paced and cruel. If we had given the Indians a reasonable amount of time to move to a reasonable amount of land to live on, that would have been better. We could have also introduced them to American culture rather than force it upon many of them. We could have integrated the two cultures and improved both of our cultures. If we had done that, we would have had a better understanding of each other and it would not have had to be such a forceful action.
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Question 2.
Joseph’s description of the Indians differs greatly from Roosevelt’s perspective. Joseph describes them as a peaceful group, while Roosevelt felt they were savage and uncouth. Roosevelt believed that the disagreements with natives were their fault. He also felt that they never truly owned the land they lived on, and that they should adopt white culture over their own. Joseph wanted the white men to learn about the Indians and fully understand them. They had agreed never to wage war against the white men.
I do not agree with Roosevelt’s view that Indians’ displacement was inevitable. If the natives had been treated fairly and given equal opportunities I believe they could have lived with the settlers successfully. However, they were forced from their homeland without choice. The Western expansion of the United States allowed to settlers to justify the removal and conversion of natives from their land and culture.

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Roosevelt felt that the white race was more important then the Indians. He said that the Indians needed to be viewed as individuals and not as part of their tribe and heritage. He did not care that their entire culture and upbringing came from their tribes. Roosevelt also felt that the Indians never really owned the land. Roosevelt adopted the idea that the Indians should be brought up and treated like white men.

Chief Joseph has a very civil and calm view compared to Roosevelt. They recognized that war would be worse then being forced to give up land and freedom so they listened to the white men, on,y disagreeing with the beliefs. They never resisted. The Indians believed in peace, so they did not want to cause problems.

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Lindsey Dixon

September 20, 2016

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Question #1

He felt as though they did not make use of their land he used the phrase “an unpeopled waste” to describe the land. Also he said that the war was inevitable and if they had not death with the Native Americans the way they did the natives would have become a threat to his culture.  He felt as though the white people were enriching the lives of the Native Americans.  He even stated that some the Indians felt protected with the white men around them.  He thought the Indians were simply savages with no knowledge on how things actually work and because nobody owned the land in his eyes, it was not wrong for him to takeover the land.  Roosevelt basically admits that the white man was wrong for being slightly forceful but the land was not owned by anyone so the doing in itself was not a bad thing.  Joseph’s account reveals that the class of civilizations were both classes of people just people with different cultures and that the white settlers simply have to try to understand his class of people.  He tried to explain how in his culture the way they live and how that is civilized it is just different from how the white settlers live and consider civilization

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Question #2.                       The description of the Indians from Chief Joseph and Roosevelt were the complete opposite. Chief Joseph describes the Indians as peaceful and kind. They had customs and laws, such as treat other men as you want to be treated, always speak the truth, and never be the first to break a bargain. Roosevelt description said that the Indians were similar to wild animals and were savages. He also said that they were not peaceful and started the war.

I agree with Rosevelt that the displacement of the Indians was inevitable because the Americans came to the land the Indians were living on. Eventually the Indians and the American settlers would face each other with the problem of needing more land because they are expanding. Their land would not be large enough. The Indians and the Americans would not be able to come to an agreement. This would lead to Indians leaving or being forced since Americans had greater technology, such as guns, frightening them or bribed them.

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Roosevelt describe the Indians as savages and animals but Joseph described them as peaceful and cordial. I don't believe that the Indian's displacement was inevitable because I believe that they would not have left on their own, they only left because they were forced out. I believe that if they had the choice, they would have stayed and tried to compromise with the white men. When the white men came into the west, they immediately saw them as a threat and tried to get them out but if they would have just come up with a compromise that benefited both of the civilizations then the two civilizations could live together without bothering each other.

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Questions #2

Joseph's description of the Indians was very different than Roosevelt's. Roosevelt described the natives as murderous savages, but Joseph described the Indians as peaceful and against war. Joseph talked about how his tribe had laws that were given to them by their ancestors. Some of these include treating other men like they were treated, never break a bargain first, it was a disgrace to tell a lie and more. Roosevelt talked about how war-like and hostile the natives were. He mentioned that it was partly their fault for the disagreements. If the natives were more peaceful and got along together, then this might not have happened. Joseph said that it was the government’s fault because his tribe truly was a peaceful people. He claimed he did not want to go to war, and would rather give up his country. It was considered horrible for the blood of the white men to be on their hands, but Roosevelt makes it sound like the natives wanted war and liked to kill people.

I agree that the displacement was inevitable because the settlers and the American government would always have that urge to go west and take the land. I am not saying I agree with what was done, but I do not think that the settlers and natives could have lived together in peace forever. They might have been able to make it work for a short time, but after a while I believe that urge to have control over the land would kick in. I think that if the natives and settlers tried to get along, the government would have still made the same laws, even if it was just a few years later than when it actually happened in history.

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Chief Joseph describes his people, the Indians, as a peaceful people who only want to live in harmony and happiness. Roosevelt claims that the Indians were savages and beasts. I do agree with Roosevelt that the Indian's displacement was inevitable because the two groups would mingle at some point due to expansion; in this case, the United States drew into the Indian Land first. Chief Joseph also says that the war with the United States was inevitable. Although I do agree that they were inevitable, I side with the Indians. All people should be treated fairly and justly. The Indians did not barge into United States territory; the USA trespassed and took control of the territory that did not belong to them.

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Roosevelt's overall attitude towards the Native Americans is that they were savages. He said that "the unthinkable tortures practiced by the red man on their captured foes, and on their foes' tender women and helpless children, are such as we read of in no other struggle." Roosevelt is basically calling them monsters, in a sense because they were ruthless.
Joseph's point of view is very different. He believes that they have a right to the land. They were there first and even met the first white settlers and made peace with them. Joseph is making a point that there was peace and it was all cool. But everyone else doesn't really care since his people are seen as savages. All people see is the savage side, they don't see the peace and tranquility

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Roosevelt's attitude toward American Indians was more of that it is their fault and they had this coming to them. He said that "war was inevitable." He also brought up that the Indians started it. He said "The Chippewas, Ottawas, and Pottawatamies furnished hundreds or young warriors to the parties that devastated our frontiers generations before we in any way encroached upon or wronged them.
Josephs said that the white man first came trying to trade things with them. The first white men were Lewis and Clark. All was great between the white people and the Indians until Governor Stevens came. Since he tried to basically have the Indians sign away their country. This is what started the clash between the two civilizations.

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