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I think Sam made a very good point in how H had to dress in a different way to gain respect

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i agree with Sam about having to work harder. Her people wouldn't respect her as much as a woman.

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i agree with Sam about having to work harder. Her people wouldn't respect her as much as a woman.

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true true true Chase

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I agree with Chase that she all together improved Egypt by boosting the economy and bringing in new materials and goods.

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Ramses did prepare his kingdom very well by helping military power become stronger, he also formed peace treaties, and formed alliances

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I agree that she helped Egypt with trade, but I am confused about what she meant by make them more aware if their surroundings.

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i disagree with samiyah how her husba

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i disagree with samiyah how her husba

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i agree with erin becuase she wasn't excepted as a pharoah for a while.

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I agree with Isabelle that H helped Egypt become more wealthy 
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I think Erin made a good point that women were not 100% equal but they still had power

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Hatshepsut was Egypts ruler she did npot have to prove herself or work so much harder to make a name for herself all pharohs rebuilt things and she was just being your average pharoh she may have made a change but it was not a momentus change. 

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Hatshepsut was Egypts ruler she did npot have to prove herself or work so much harder to make a name for herself all pharohs rebuilt things and she was just being your average pharoh she may have made a change but it was not a momentus change. 

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Erin bringing in the idea of female power in ancient Egypt -

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She was not really a co-leader

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I think Hatshepsut did have to work to be recognized, but that doesn't prove that she was a greater leader than Ramses II, who you could argue went above and beyond the success of the pharaohs before him.

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i agree that Hatshesut was the helper to the throne and she was a pharoah until later

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I agree with Isabelle that H helped Egypt become more wealthy

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I agree with what they said about how Hatshepsut brought wealth to Egypt because of her expeditions hat brought in new resources.

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I agree with Nicole, Ramses II did prepare his kingdom. He strengthened the army, made a peace treaty, and formed alliances.

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i disagree with Nicole, he did not prepare his kingdom for his death which caused his kingdom to go into chaos. Hatshepsut created independence in their kingdom.

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i disagree with samiyah how her husband predicted that she wanted power so her greed would affect how she ran things and that was why she was killed because she really wanted the crown and then her son maybe got tired of it and killed her so he could rightfully get his crown

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i disagree with samiyah how her husband predicted that she wanted power so her greed would affect how she ran things and that was why she was killed because she really wanted the crown and then her son maybe got tired of it and killed her so he could rightfully get his crown

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I disagree with Eleni about how she said the supposed murderer just tried to cover her rule up. I think he did that because he could have been next in line to be the pharaoh​, so he could have done it to get into power more quickly.

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I disagree with Eleni about how she said the supposed murderer just tried to cover her rule up. I think he did that because he could have been next in line to be the pharaoh​, so he could have done it to get into power more quickly.

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i disagree with nicole when she said that Hatshesut was less of a pharoh becuase she was a helper but she was a pharoah

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I agree with Hannah how Hatshepsut was kind of like a last resort

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I agree with Hannah how Hatshepsut was kind of like a last resort

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i agree with hannah how she said that Ramses died and then they relied on him so much and helped them and everyone was straggling to  figure everything out becuase he wasnt there to keep everyone in line

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i agree with hannah how she said that Ramses died and then they relied on him so much and helped them and everyone was straggling to  figure everything out becuase he wasnt there to keep everyone in line

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I don't think there's any evidence of Hatshepsut respecting the independence of her people

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I agree with Caroline about how important Ramses II alliances' were. They were formed to help countries in times of need. Alliances are still made today between countries and continue to help countries in times of need.

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I agree with Lucy that her expeditions when she discovered new resources were very important to the Egyptian culture.

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Hatsheput believed and was so confident in her being abe to take reign as a pharoh that she dressed like a man to gain respect.

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Hatsheput believed and was so confident in her being abe to take reign as a pharoh that she dressed like a man to gain respect.

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Lucy made a good point on how they found gold, showing that H helped Egypt's wealth

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i think that it is important to note that even though H wasn't alive as long as R, she was able to create a long-lasting impact and explored places that haven't been seen before like trading with Punt and going to East Africa

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i agree with grayson becuase it wasnt her fault that she died and that she made a huge impact

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for the ramses side someone needs to mention how egypt was in the golden age
during his reign

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It's easy to say he didn't prepare his people because there was chaos when he died, but in reality, it was probably devastation as opposed to chaos.

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Kim Hoffman 1m
good argument, not there for long but we remember her
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Ramses 

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Created first peace treaty
Did a lot in terms of military power
Death signified the end of the golden age and the New Kingdom
He built a lot of great monuments for himself
His peace treaty with the Hittites lasted more than 100 years
Kept his empire strong and powerful

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I agree with Elaina about all the monuments built for her, proving her worth and impact

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I agree, she paved the way for other women

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She made such a big impact that even after her step son tried to erase her from existence and tried to make everyone forget about her they still found out alot about her

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Egypt devolved into chaos not because he didn't prepare them but because their was a power struggle that couldn't have predicted, and the people of Egypt were mourning the loss of an excellent leader. Hatshepsut didn't so much prepare her people as they didn't react as much to her death because her step-son took over immediately and she didn't rule for that long.

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i agree with bella and how the monuments mean a lot

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I agree with how H was a good leader that prepared Egypt  

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I agree with how H was a good leader that prepared Egypt  

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Bella makes a good point- i agree that his success was powerful and that Egypt relied on him

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i agree with the preparing with Hatshesut

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Erin made a good point for the first peace treaty and helping evolve egypt

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Erin made a good point for the first peace treaty and helping evolve egypt

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Hatshepsut remodeled the Temple at Karnak too

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Hatshepsut remodeled the Temple at Karnak too

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I agree with you that trade expands and improves cultures and that was super important during the time of Hatshepsut and Ramses.

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Aylin made a good point that just because she was a female that does not mean she had a bigger impact

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She made advancements in gender equality through proving that a woman pharaoh can be just as successful as a male pharaoh.
Against the argument that she was a last resort, she proved that she was worthy of ruling Egypt on her own.

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Hatshepsut was able to bring back money, riches, gold  

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Hatshepsut was able to bring back money, riches, gold  

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She remodeled the Temple at Karnak

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he outruled many people who were gonna be pharohs

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good counter, Erin

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I agree with Erin, having a woman as a pharoh is a turning point for Egypt, especially with her trading goods, I think that turned a new corner for Egypt in terms of being aware of her surroundings. Ramses dieing shows that he wasn't worried of how the country would react when he leaves so the country is not so dependant of the pharoh because if Egypt is too dependant or like leaning on the pharoh then that just erases what the pharoh has created so is ramses that good of a pharoh?

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hapshetsut influenced future female leaders

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Ruled for a longer time so he had a bigger impact.
Created first known peace treaty
Paved the way for Egypt in terms of military because he tried something new and it worked well
Created more monuments and statues than any other pharaoh
After Ramses' death it was difficult for Egypt to grow strong again and it signified the end of the New Kingdom

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Nice aylin didn't even think about his death

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I agree with Eleni and Lainie that Hatshepsut influenced female leaders after Hatshepsut, and she continues to influence current female leaders.